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<ipfs-stackbot> New IPFS question on StackOverflow: Traefik. Proxy to another backend - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59621569/traefik-proxy-to-another-backend
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<jessicaschilling> The new IPFS Docs beta is live! It’s fully redesigned with search, reorganized content, and more. Check it out, sign up as a beta tester, or contribute your own IPFS docs … there’s never been a better time πŸ™‚ https://docs-beta.ipfs.io/
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<Imnotsoimpressed> when will IPFS be stabe
<Imnotsoimpressed> * when will IPFS be stable
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<ShadowJonathanDi> someday
<Imnotsoimpressed> ok
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<ShadowJonathanDi> uhhh???
<ShadowJonathanDi> ok i just found something out
<Imnotsoimpressed> what
<ShadowJonathanDi> 1 sec i need to confirm it with other ways
<ShadowJonathanDi> oh shit
<ShadowJonathanDi> yeah okay
<ShadowJonathanDi> if you **google** `ipfs://QmY7Yh4UquoXHLPFo2XbhXkhBvFoPwmQUSa92pxnxjQuPU`, that exact string, even in here:
<ShadowJonathanDi> it'll automatically redirect to the public gateway
<Imnotsoimpressed> hahahah ok
<ShadowJonathanDi> no wait no
<ShadowJonathanDi> its my plugin doing that
<ShadowJonathanDi> :facepalm:
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<Imnotsoimpressed> why would google redirect to IPFS gateway anyway
<ShadowJonathanDi> yeah i thought it was an easteregg
<Imnotsoimpressed> i thought they hated dapps
<ShadowJonathanDi> Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
<ShadowJonathanDi> yeah idk
<ShadowJonathanDi> its late here, i should sleep
<Imnotsoimpressed> ok
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<zenosama> any action in here?
<Imnotsoimpressed> i dont think so
<zenosama> im new here that's why im askin
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<ShadowJonathanDi> stuff happens here every other day or so
<ShadowJonathanDi> in general, things are slow
<ShadowJonathanDi> if things are happening, here isn't it
<zenosama> I see, thanks
<zenosama> but then why are you here tho
<ShadowJonathanDi> this is the only discord server where stuff happens for ips
<ShadowJonathanDi> * this is the only discord server where stuff happens for ipfs
<ShadowJonathanDi> its not exactly a project that's speeding along
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<ShadowJonathanDi> its getting there
<ShadowJonathanDi> slowly and steadily
<zenosama> however, you can already host a website with ipfs gateway, yeah?
<zenosama> *protocol im sorry
<zenosama> not a static website
<ShadowJonathanDi> Uhhhh
<ShadowJonathanDi> You can host a static site reliably, yes
<ShadowJonathanDi> But to host a dynamic one, you need to make a client app
<ShadowJonathanDi> Making a server app on IPFS, or libp2p, is currently not very easy to do
<Imnotsoimpressed> ^
<Imnotsoimpressed> i can agree with this alot
<Imnotsoimpressed> making a dymanic app is a pain in the ass
<ShadowJonathanDi> honestly im eying ethereum smart contracts for this
<ShadowJonathanDi> or at least
<ShadowJonathanDi> similiar stuff
<Imnotsoimpressed> ethereum smart contracts?
<ShadowJonathanDi> the concept of "server" is kinda "dead" with the decentralized world
<ShadowJonathanDi> instead of everything being bound to a server, the only thing you can do now is have everything bound to a client
<ShokuninDiscord[> Well you say that
<Imnotsoimpressed> the client is the server
<ShokuninDiscord[> But I've done 150+ user interviews
<Imnotsoimpressed> rigt?
<ShokuninDiscord[> and they don't want decentralized stuff mostly
<ShadowJonathanDi> nah its very abstract
<ShokuninDiscord[> They want one click setup things
<ShokuninDiscord[> You might have seen on the other channel today how even our Gitlab was a pain to setup
<ShadowJonathanDi> yeah, the world is spoiled to the bone with client-server
<ShadowJonathanDi> i know
<ShadowJonathanDi> :pinkbored:
<Imnotsoimpressed> centralized is less a pain in the ass to develop
<ShokuninDiscord[> well that, and it works the way users expect
<ShokuninDiscord[> no one's asked me for privacy or encryption, in my user interviews
<ShokuninDiscord[> they want "i use fb or goog to login and click"
<ShadowJonathanDi> :TopKek:
<ShadowJonathanDi> again
<ShadowJonathanDi> spoiled and veiled
<ShadowJonathanDi> nobody knows and gives a shity
<ShadowJonathanDi> * nobody knows and gives a shit
<ShadowJonathanDi> they see magic screen which they can touch
<ShadowJonathanDi> to talk to their parents
<ShokuninDiscord[> Yeah but you need to build stuff people want
<ShokuninDiscord[> otherwise it's just a cool hack
<ShadowJonathanDi> idgaf about what people want, that has time and time again proven to not be what the world is actually ready for
<ShadowJonathanDi> i think the world is ready for shift from centralized to decentralized
<Imnotsoimpressed> we're slowly starting to move into the decentralized world
<ShadowJonathanDi> exactly
<Imnotsoimpressed> with bittorrent and shit
<ShadowJonathanDi> its going to become even more crucial with the coming of china in the next decade
<ShadowJonathanDi> personally i wanna keep everything personal into my home
<ShadowJonathanDi> all my servers, my data, my IPFS nodes, everything
<Imnotsoimpressed> kwyt inc.
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<ShadowJonathanDi> again, i dont give a shit about what people "want", what people "want" is for things to stay the same
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<distributedjoseD> Surely the aim is to provide the benefits of decentralised systems whilst allowing most people to use it without knowing its there
<ShadowJonathanDi> max comfort for minimum price
<distributedjoseD> how many people know how their car really works
<ShadowJonathanDi> for the least effort
<ShadowJonathanDi> > Surely the aim is to provide the benefits of decentralised systems whilst allowing most people to use it without knowing its there
<ShadowJonathanDi> exactly
<ShadowJonathanDi> but people are gonna resist the change
<ShadowJonathanDi> the shifting
<ShadowJonathanDi> what's pretty ironic is that *when* the world has shifted to decentralized
<ShadowJonathanDi> communication will be even more stable
<ShadowJonathanDi> since it suddenly isnt addicted to the backbone anymore
<Imnotsoimpressed> windoows 10 uses p2p to serve updates
<ShadowJonathanDi> distrubute it
<ShadowJonathanDi> * distribute it
<ShadowJonathanDi> locally
<ShokuninDiscord[> See that's funny
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<ShadowJonathanDi> or online, if you pick that option
<ShokuninDiscord[> Because the second you count p2p and such in the dweb, then you come to the same realization our team did
<Imnotsoimpressed> if we switch to decentralized without the user knowing, they wont complain
<ShokuninDiscord[> the biggest p2p system in the world is smtp
<ShadowJonathanDi> :TopKek:
<Imnotsoimpressed> Shokunin biggest and oldest*
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<ShokuninDiscord[> and in use
<ShadowJonathanDi> is it really self-host friendly though if the only self-host library to use is postfix?
<ShadowJonathanDi> postfix is fucking archaic
<ShadowJonathanDi> currently its basically being centralized to google and microsoft, so really, imo its not p2p
<ShadowJonathanDi> in the technical details, yes, its p2p, but in practice?
<distributedjoseD> What was the realization Shokunin?
<ShadowJonathanDi> not really, and it has luck to thank for that, nobody really stepped up to make SMTP mailing "easy"
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<ShadowJonathanDi> it still looks and functions extremely like a proprietary standard
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<ShadowJonathanDi> im sorry if im a tad cynical/pessimistic, i've seen the majority of this time and time again, so i at least wanna put my energy into something while knowing that i contributed to something useful
<ShadowJonathanDi> what the *users* want is something extremely intuitive and useful that they'll never wanna look back, essentially
<ShadowJonathanDi> but the model its built on is not sustainable, its bound to fall apart sooner or later
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<ShadowJonathanDi> in the next century, client-server *really* isnt going to be something you wanna rely on a 100%, stuff now needs to become "global-locally", stuff needs to be in the "neighborhood", or else client-server will be extremely unuseful when you're on mars
<ShadowJonathanDi> for which the fastest ping you can possibly get is 20 minutes
<ShadowJonathanDi> good luck getting an tcp SYN-ACK connection with that
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<ShadowJonathanDi> * in the next century, client-server *really* isnt going to be something you wanna rely on a 100%, stuff now needs to become "global-locally", stuff needs to be in the "neighborhood", or else client-server will be extremely unuseful when you're on the moon, or on mars
<ZipperSKDiscord[> I think that in 10 years we don't have to worry to ping mars. The bigger threat will be definitely censure (China etc.)
<ShokuninDiscord[> distributedjose people conflate a lot of crypto concepts with dweb. Dweb is anything non centralized. This means email is the largest dweb protocol, followed by bittorrent
<ZipperSKDiscord[> yeah, except that 80% emails is Gmail πŸ˜„
<ShokuninDiscord[> So rather than aiming for bleeding edge tech non stop, if your goal is to be a dweb dev, consider those protocols
<ShokuninDiscord[> 50% actually
<ShadowJonathanDi> honestly i will never forgive bitcoin for raping the term "blockchain"
<ShadowJonathanDi> :rubymad:
<ShokuninDiscord[> ZipperSK that's actually why we picked email (and Gmail) for Hi Elle!
<ShokuninDiscord[> precisely because it's the right intersection of dweb and being used by billions
<ShadowJonathanDi> * honestly i will never forgive bitcoin for warping the term "blockchain"
<ZipperSKDiscord[> yeah, I know, but I dont think that we can talk about emails being decentralized network if half of it is on google's servers
<ShadowJonathanDi> :conniehmm:
<ShadowJonathanDi> wait
<ShadowJonathanDi> what is hi-elle supposed to be?
<ShadowJonathanDi> an email client or an email server/
<ShadowJonathanDi> * an email client or an email server?
<ShokuninDiscord[> email client
<ShokuninDiscord[> for now πŸ™‚
<ShadowJonathanDi> aw
<ShadowJonathanDi> yeah i was hoping for an email server built on top of libp2p
<ShadowJonathanDi> that would actually be dope
<ShadowJonathanDi> * yeah i was hoping for an email server built on top of libp2p, which would still work with clearnet emails
<ShokuninDiscord[> Yeah, please convince the people at textile / protocol labs / arweave to make one and I'll make a kick ass app on top of it
<ShokuninDiscord[> πŸ™‚
<ShokuninDiscord[> I want to support Protonmail asap
<ZipperSKDiscord[> I think you should support all custom servers and communicate with them over pop3 or imap... Which is hard from web browser
<ShadowJonathanDi> nah, for crossover into clearnet you probably need like
<ShadowJonathanDi> 2 things
<ShokuninDiscord[> Yeah I wanna support smtp / imap / pop3 etc
<ShadowJonathanDi> 1: the email protocol between libp2p clients to be store-and-forward, for the most part
<ShadowJonathanDi> 2: the crossover into clearnet be a subdomain wilcard (like `Qm...dHIj.ipfs.io`), which then acts as a "postal service", and ships mails from and to the libp2p networks
<ShokuninDiscord[> The reality of all that is we can't start with that tech. So we start with Gmail
<ShadowJonathanDi> ...yeah nah i havent thought about it
<ShadowJonathanDi> discard those
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<zenosama> nice discussion guys, love readin it
<ShadowJonathanDi> but still though, reliable mail between libp2p nodes can actually be a gamechanger
<zenosama> u real tech savvy dudes, couldn't say that about me, at least yet haha
<zenosama> respect
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<ShadowJonathanDi> np m8
<ShadowJonathanDi> im just rambling off of the top of my head at 10:33 PM
<ShadowJonathanDi> i should sleep
<ShadowJonathanDi> :ametired:
<ZipperSKDiscord[> you are in same timezeno as me btw πŸ˜„
<ShokuninDiscord[> I'd love to have that tech, but the reality is if we wanna succeed we start with building a client
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<ShokuninDiscord[> if people like the client, we'll do difficult server shit later. Hopefully with ipfs πŸ™‚
<zenosama> so where could one proceed trying to launch a dynamic web on ipfs protocol
<ShadowJonathanDi> textile?
<ShadowJonathanDi> havent really looked at it, but they seem to be the ones who have an idea what they're doing with it
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<ShadowJonathanDi> (for context, ive mostly been working on py-libp2p, engrossing myself with the bottom of the pyramid of this all, so i have no clue about end-user applications)
<zenosama> looking into it right now ty
<ShadowJonathanDi> * (for context, ive mostly been working on py-libp2p, engrossing myself with the bottom of the pyramid of this all, so i have no clue about end-user or development applications)
<ZipperSKDiscord[> if you want to use Vue.js look at this: https://github.com/Ideea-inc/vipfs
<zenosama> arrigato
<ShokuninDiscord[> Yeah Textile is great. They've been very helpful for Permaweb
<jacopostanchi[m]> Hello, I'm following on the IRC chan but can someone share the Discord link please.
<ShokuninDiscord[> https://permaweb.io/discord
<Imnotsoimpressed> textile?
<Imnotsoimpressed> i still dont know what it is
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<Imnotsoimpressed> * i still dont know what is it
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<ShokuninDiscord[> Textile.io
<ShokuninDiscord[> It's a set of tools to build on top of IPFS
<Imnotsoimpressed> seems cool
<Imnotsoimpressed> lacks JS version
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<zenosama> anyone have any experience/knowledge on hyperledger iroha project?
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<opal> <Imnotsoimpressed> why would google redirect to IPFS gateway anyway
<opal> intern snuck it in?
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