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<WWDiscord[m]>
I really don't want to uninstall it, took me forever to get all my stuff uploaded. Any way around fixing this without re install?
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<swedneck>
is your node reachable?
<swedneck>
if it is not, then no one can fetch the data from your node
<swedneck>
although by your usage of the word "uploaded" i'm a bit worried you think ipfs will magically store your files without you continually hosting them
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<WWDiscord[m]>
I don't
<WWDiscord[m]>
I had it running
<WWDiscord[m]>
is there another command I can try? It was reachable previously
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<swedneck>
i only know of `ipfs ping <multiaddr>` to test connectivity
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<graylan[m]>
i guess we need a website to test IPFS connectivity :D
<graylan[m]>
Another way to test connectivity , create a file with your username and a unique number at the end, or the server name + number. Simply plain text will do, then pin that file. try to access the hash from a public gateway. a bit extra work, but sometimes it's good to test off a live gateway , a pinned hash.
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<aschmahmann[m]>
graylan: that can work, although it can sometimes be misleading since if your node happens to have started an outbound connection to the public gateway then your file will be found even though your node is undialable.
<aschmahmann[m]>
You could use something like http://www.ipv6scanner.com/ or https://www.canyouseeme.org/ to see if your IP+port is publicly dialable though. Running `ipfs id` should show the addresses you're advertising.
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<ZipperSKDiscord[>
Hey guys, just a quick question. In files API when I write `await ipfs.get(validCID)` what happend if file with that CID does not exist?
<ZipperSKDiscord[>
Will it return error or it will just stuck?
<ShadowJonathanDi>
It'll timeout
<ShadowJonathanDi>
...if you define one
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<ZipperSKDiscord[>
nice, thanks. So there is not way to be sure that the file does not exist? There is only a way to tell that IPFS could not find file in <timeout> seconds, right?
<odisseus[m]>
Is it even possible to scan the entirety of the IPFS network and confirm that some hash is not defined?
<ZipperSKDiscord[>
it should be in my opinion with kademlia search algorithm...
<ZipperSKDiscord[>
In every step you should get closer and closer to requested file
<ShadowJonathanDi>
:thehell:
<ShadowJonathanDi>
That's literally how IPFS finds a file
<ShadowJonathanDi>
If it cannot find it that way, the network either looks like shit, or it's not there
<ShadowJonathanDi>
Or not on this planet
<ZipperSKDiscord[>
ok, thanks you
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<eleitl[m]1>
How many pins on established, good quality nodes do we have so that we have a good chance of finding a particular CID? I presume this applies to clients, too, so if we have 1000-2000 peers for a client, that's a well-connected end user node, right?
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<swedneck>
asking if it's possible to scan the entire IPFS network is sorta like asking if you can scan the entire web
<swedneck>
theoretically yes, in reality nooooo
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<swedneck>
though it should at least be more theoretically possible with ipfs
<eleitl[m]1>
* How many pins on established, good quality nodes do we have to have so that we have a good chance of finding a particular CID? I presume this applies to clients, too, so if we have 1000-2000 peers for a client, that's a well-connected end user node, right?
<odisseus[m]>
But indeed it should be possible
<ZipperSKDiscord[>
swedneck [GMT+1] And it does not depend on how much files are stored in ipfs, right? Could it be less difficult with private ipfs network consisting only 2 nodes?
<ZipperSKDiscord[>
* And it does not depend on how much files are stored in ipfs, right? Could it be less difficult with private ipfs network consisting only 2 nodes?
<odisseus[m]>
Of course you cannot guarantee that a certain block does not exist on some node that's currently offline
<swedneck>
of course it'd be easier in a 2-node network
<odisseus[m]>
But I can imagine a situation when every node answers "no, I don't have that block and I don't know any node that should be closer to that block"
<ZipperSKDiscord[>
it is just really strange (considering classic filesystem) that you can not tell that this file is not available
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<ZipperSKDiscord[>
* it is just really strange (considering classic filesystem) that you can not tell that this file is not available at the moment
<swedneck>
ipfs isn't really a file system, it's a transport layer
<ShadowJonathanDi>
...no, it's not
<ShadowJonathanDi>
Libp2p is a transport layer
<swedneck>
it probably qualifies as a file system, but it's not what you should look at it as
<ShadowJonathanDi>
Ipfs is an application layer
<ShadowJonathanDi>
Pls don't define ipfs for what it is *definitely* not
<swedneck>
..ipfs transports data
<ShadowJonathanDi>
No, libp2p does that
<ShadowJonathanDi>
Ipfs marks, routes, and distributes data
<swedneck>
that's the whole point of it
<ShadowJonathanDi>
If you wanna get technical, it's bitswap that transports the data, but it's libp2p that manages connections and protocol negotiation
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<swedneck>
i don't want to get technical, that's why i don't call ipfs a file system even though it probably technically is
<swedneck>
my point is that you use IPFS to send data, not store it
<ShadowJonathanDi>
Once MFS and versioning is implimented, it probably will become a filesystem
<ShadowJonathanDi>
lol
<odisseus[m]>
Well, is Dropbox a filesystem?
<swedneck>
it's not just distributed ext4, you can't upload data to ipfs, turn off your node, and think the data will persist on the network
<odisseus[m]>
If it is, then IPFS can be called a filesystem too
<ShadowJonathanDi>
> it's not just distributed ext4, you can't upload data to ipfs, turn off your node, and think the data will persist on the network
<ShadowJonathanDi>
If nobody else has pinned it, yeah
<swedneck>
with dropbox you can just upload the data and expect it to persist
<odisseus[m]>
It will persist, just probably not for long
<ShadowJonathanDi>
Ipfs currently has a bit of an identity crisis since it's not sure what it wants to be, and cuz current language can't really define what it *is*
<swedneck>
the best comparison is torrent imo
<swedneck>
you don't make a torrent to store data, you make a torrent to share data
<ShadowJonathanDi>
What it can do atm is distribute data in a distributed fashion
<odisseus[m]>
Popcorn time is a data storage accessed by torrent
<swedneck>
<odisseus[m] "Popcorn time is a data storage a"> how does that work?
<swedneck>
you can't force someone to store your data
<odisseus[m]>
Unless the data is interesting enough, like a popular film
<ShadowJonathanDi>
cough filecoin cough
<swedneck>
neither of those are forcing people to store your data
<swedneck>
both are incentives
<odisseus[m]>
Nor does IPFS, nor Dropbox for that matter
<swedneck>
a popular piece of media is something people store because they like the content, and filecoin is literally paying people to store your data
<swedneck>
to be a bit more technical, you can't push data to torrent or ipfs, while you can push data to dropbox
<odisseus[m]>
That's an significant technical difference, but both Dropbox and IPFS hide it under the interface
<odisseus[m]>
Both IPFS client and Dropbox GUI allow you to just "add" the files, and then they are somehow distributed through the interwebs
<odisseus[m]>
* That's a significant technical difference, but both Dropbox and IPFS hide it under the interface
<ShadowJonathanDi>
Not automatically with ipfs tho
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<swedneck>
ipfs-desktop/webui could really do with a page to explain IPFS
<grumbel>
What is the purpose of "ipfs files" and what is it doing differently from just "ipfs add -r" a directory?
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<swedneck>
either just a short "Beware that ipfs does not allow you to store data online, think of it more like torrent" or just embedding the ipfs.io frontpage
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<swedneck>
what's the best way to update a file in the MFS?
<swedneck>
removing it and adding the new CID?
<ZerXes>
are there any work being done currently to improve the FUSE-mount?
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<bonedaddyDiscord>
Probably very little. Most of the work being spent is focused on dht improvements, testground, etc..
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<ZerXes>
I see
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