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<eam> anyone around? I have some questions around leaking descriptors in jruby
<eam> I found some code similar to what's in MRI to special case where IO objects are GC'able but were never explicitly closed
<eam> where close() gets called in the finalizer in MRI
<eam> however, this doesn't seem to work on jruby
<eam> a simple repro is: bin/jruby -e'puts $$; loop {File.new "/etc/passwd"}'
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<eam> on MRI, which the descriptor table overflows a GC is forced, causing the finalizers to fire
<eam> but this just blows up jruby
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<eam> well, here's a bit more info actually: I sorta sucessfully added a guard to socket allocations in RubySocket, but in doing so I noticed that System.gc() isn't blocking
<eam> which is probably why the sysopen() based code doesn't work
<eam> System.gc(); Thread.sleep(1000); works, though is clearly not ok
<eam> is there a gc call that's blocking?
<eam> disclaimer: I know ruby and C, but no java
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<kwando> eam: AFAIK there is no way to force the GC to run in java. System.gc() is just a hint to the GC that now is a good time to collect garbage..
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<eam> kwando: that's what I'm discovering; which means jruby is always going to have a probem with leaking descriptors
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<eam> I'm investigating other methods of approach, perhaps there's a way to close these descriptors without just calling the gc
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<enebo> eam: I don’t want to bag on Ruby’s design but depending on finalizers to run is not the best API design. That design means all finalizers should behave in a deterministic way which is a big limitation on making MRI faster
<enebo> eam: in general you can fd = open(); … fd.close things will just work
<enebo> eam: wrap it in a block API and you don’t have to remember to write that code
<chrisseaton> Does the JVM run GC if it runs out of file descriptors I wonder?
<enebo> chrisseaton: I don’t think so no
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<enebo> chrisseaton: I was meaning to ask you whether you have plotted benches over time on graal/truffle evolution
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<enebo> chrisseaton: do you measure long-term improvement of those projects
<enebo> chrisseaton: we have a slide where we show a super old version of JRuby running on versions of Java and show how it just keeps getting faster over time
<chrisseaton> enebo: we have an internal CI system with a graph over time - it's not public just because it's part of our internal systems
<chrisseaton> enebo: it's tricky as I've changed the benchmarks, changed the benchmark harness etc
<enebo> chrisseaton: yeah and I am not sure I want to see it either :) I just realized it is a nice slide in presentations because it demonstrates the multiplier aspect of building on top of something
<enebo> chrisseaton: so it may be a nice thing in a ruby-truffle preso
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<eam> enebo: I completely agree
<eam> the trouble is that MRI caters to this scenario, which means there's a large body of gems which make this mistake
<enebo> eam: most Ruby API’s for resources to provide an explicit api with a close on it so it just means you need to audit.
<eam> I'm looking at this specifically because it's a reoccuring issue when using third party code
<enebo> eam: at one time nicksieger was maintaining jruby-lint which would look for problem APIs
<eam> removing the MRI guards would be one approach :)
<enebo> eam: fwiw a patch to change it to deterministic API probably will end up keeping resources open a shorter amount of time in MRI too
<eam> the thing is, as long as there's impedence mismatch and as long as mri is the common platform this will be a continual problem for jruby
<enebo> eam: so if any of those gems a resource sensitive then perhaps you can PR
<enebo> eam: yeah that’s true, but we have found people slowly remove patterns like @@a ||= MyClass.new over time because it does not work on JRuby so we are having some influence on design
<chrisseaton> so how does MRI do it? do file handles add GC pressure somehow?
<enebo> eam: but people do continually use what is available to them and so we endlessly have to engage
<enebo> chrisseaton: they run GC + potential finalization like ever 0.1s
<enebo> chrisseaton: They are constantly firing their GC
<eam> enebo: no
<eam> MRI has a guard around EMFILE
<eam> when a descriptor allocating call fails, they force a GC run
<eam> then re-run the descriptor allocating call (open/socket/etc)
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<eam> this essentially never triggers
<enebo> eam: that may be a failsafe perhaps but I think it never triggers because they are constantly calling GC
<eam> if you have max fd of say 65k, it'll force a gc once every 65k sockets
<eam> assuming every socket is leaked
<eam> enebo: been studying this in depth; the gc is actually very rarely called in mri
<enebo> eam: chrisseaton: fwiw I don’t know how finalization triggers in MRI I just know they GC a lot
<eam> we will see tens of thousands of descriptors pile up and then all clear out when the gc fires -- minutes or hours in between often
<enebo> eam: you mean explicitly called or called at all
<eam> sorry I mean explicitly
<enebo> eam: oh for finalization
<eam> yes
<enebo> eam: not objects in general
<chrisseaton> so maybe JRuby can also run GC on file handle allocation fail?
<eam> chrisseaton: it attempts to, but it's broken
<eam> at least on java 1.8
<eam> and it only attempts to on sysopen() and not at all on dup or sockets or other fd types
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<chrisseaton> System.GC theoretically doesn't guarantee to run GC, but in practice it generally will
<eam> the problem is System.gc() doesn't appear to be blocking
<brometeo> Hi everybody
<chrisseaton> eam: ah ok
<eam> if I add a sleep for 1 second after System.gc() it actually works, but of course this isn't a real fix
<enebo> on master most of these descriptors will be retrieved via JNI and jnr-posix
<enebo> but finalization should still clean them up
<enebo> chrisseaton: eam: Seems like we could do the same thing and get it working but it feels icky as a solution
<brometeo> I have a little problem with jruby ffi. I don't know searching for dll from a Jar file with my application.
<eam> one of my coworkers who actually knows java (I don't! only C) mentioned creating a ReferenceQueue to track the objects
<enebo> fill to max fd leaking like crazy and have it clean up at that point. It keeps the process up but I almost feel like it should be a fail fast sceanrio
<chrisseaton> eam: that will tell you when an object is garbage, but that's only determined by the GC
<eam> enebo: I agree with you about the philosophical approach, the problem is I feel like jruby is bound to emulate the approach of mri
<brometeo> If I try "ffi_lib 'mydll.dll'" it gives a load error.
<brometeo> Any help, please?
<enebo> eam: well I agree it would be nice to not get a bug report on it
<eam> chrisseaton: would it be possible to reach in and close() it at that point?
<eam> we don't actually care if the object is gc'd
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<eam> we only care that the externalized fd is collected
<enebo> brometeo: Don’t have a lot of help to give on that but could it be a 32/64 bit mismatch?
<chrisseaton> eam: yeah but I mean the object won't go onto the reference queue unless it's garbage collected, so it doesn't solve the problem
<eam> oh, I see
<chrisseaton> eam: if you can't do it with finalisers you also can't do it with ref queues
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<eam> but ReferenceQueue can be used to turn System.gc() into a blocking operation, by blocking on the queue?
<enebo> I mean we could do a resource poll in our thread_poll activities but rarely do it
<chrisseaton> eam: no, fraid not
<chrisseaton> eam: I think you might deadlock yourself like that
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<eam> not possible to wait for an fd object to pop out?
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<brometeo> enebo: How can I test that problem in Windows? Do you have any trick?
<chrisseaton> eam: how long are you will to wait?
<enebo> eam: problem is in your loop example the GC will never fire likely before you run out of fds
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<chrisseaton> eam: maybe the GC will decide to wait until your mutator thread stops waiting, who knows?
<eam> so, System.gc() does correct the issue -- but it takes time
<eam> chrisseaton: hmm
<enebo> brometeo: well I guess you see if you are running 32 or 64 bit windows and I think there must be some way of examining the dll file to see if it is 32 or 64 bit as well (like ‘file’ on unixy systems)
<eam> another approach I imagine would be to maintain a list of all opened descriptors
<eam> this gets terrible
<chrisseaton> eam: could you loop doing System.GC() if you run out of file handles? being out of file handles doesn't seem like a fast-path thing to me
<brometeo> enebo: Thank you. I'll try getting info.
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<enebo> brometeo: oh I meant 32 or 64 bit JVM not windows
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<enebo> brometeo: I am guessing you are 64 bit windows already
<eam> chrisseaton: the issue is preventing bubbling up the initial EMFILE which alerts us to having reached the limit
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<brometeo> enebo: Windows 64 and JVM 64
<enebo> brometeo: so then perhaps a 32 bit dll
<enebo> brometeo: but only a stab in the dark
<enebo> brometeo: Aethenelle has been doing the most work on ffi lately and if he shows up he might be better at debugging
<brometeo> enebo: Ok. Thank you very much :)
<enebo> brometeo: np
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<eonwe> Just running System.gc is the best you can do. That's what OpenJDK does when it's running out of off-heap memory for DirectByteBuffers
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<eam> eonwe: problem is we only get a heads up when we're totally out - no early warning
<eam> could calculate it though ...
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<warbot_> Hello guys. Wanted to ask whether there're ways to increase the jruby start time? I've read this https://github.com/ninjudd/drip/wiki/JRuby I'm using drip and --dev option right now and starting time is ~1s: time jruby blah.rb -> real0m1.079s
<warbot_> when for ruby: time ruby_ blah.rb -> real 0m0.039s
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<JRubyGithub> jruby/truffle-head 134e4fd Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Always give Assumptions names.
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<warbot_> it looks better with Nailgun though time jruby --ng blah.rb real0m0.267s
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<mkristian> headius, enebo a few days back I release jruby-readline.0.1.gem to maven central but could not push my changes to the repo. could someone add jruby-readline to the core-team on GH ?
<enebo> mkristian: ok
<mkristian> enebo, hi, since you are already on GH the header of jruby-openssl repo is confusing people - the 'this is a placeholder' bit
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<enebo> mkristian: what do you want it to say?
<enebo> jruby-readline is done
<mkristian> enebo, hmm. just remove ' Placeholder for old '
<mkristian> that will do
<mkristian> thanks
<enebo> ah since this is the main repo now
<mkristian> yes
<enebo> changed
<mkristian> great
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<JRubyGithub> [jruby] chrisseaton pushed 2 new commits to truffle-head: http://git.io/AOOy
<JRubyGithub> jruby/truffle-head a7b2d94 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Move exploded arraycopy into ArrayUtils.
<JRubyGithub> jruby/truffle-head c6b7f03 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Fix wording in PE.
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<JRubyGithub> [jruby] lumeet opened pull request #2610: Remove FileUtils's test exclusions (master...remove_fileutils_test_excludes) http://git.io/AOBh
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<kwleland> New to jruby (just installed) How can I (if possible) increase the max number of threads to say 5000 from the current 1000 limit? (v 1.7.16)
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<JRubyGithub> jruby/opt_startup bfd49a8 Thomas E. Enebo: Fix meteor benchmark not running....
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<JRubyGithub> [jruby] enebo pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/A3IJ
<JRubyGithub> jruby/master 7f20bbb Teemu: Remove FileUtils's test exclusions
<JRubyGithub> jruby/master 0d40fe1 Thomas E Enebo: Merge pull request #2610 from lumeet/remove_fileutils_test_excludes...
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<JRubyGithub> jruby/master c3a7c5a Kevin Menard: [Truffle] Pulled Array#reverse_each from Rubinius.
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<JRubyGithub> jruby/master 8324dc4 Kevin Menard: [Truffle] Pulled in Kernel#warn from Rubinius.
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<JRubyGithub> jruby/opt_startup 35ea009 Thomas E. Enebo: Reduce weird if check to a single line with a FIXME explaining why it exists in cloneInstrs
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<JRubyGithub> [jruby] nirvdrum pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/As3e
<JRubyGithub> jruby/master 30f27a3 Kevin Menard: [Truffle] More descriptive error message.
<JRubyGithub> jruby/master 169a9e3 Kevin Menard: [Truffle] The size of the resulting array from Hash#{collect, map} should be bound by the number of hash entries.
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