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<MoeIcenowy> The subscription account of Allwinner on WeChat said that there's a speaker box product come with R16...
<KotCzarny> speaker box?
<MoeIcenowy> yep
<KotCzarny> what's that?
<MoeIcenowy> and allwinner says that they hold an "IoT contest" which has R40-based Banana Pi M2 Ultra as a provided board
<MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: I do not know the accurate word in English, in Chinese, it‘s “音箱”
<KotCzarny> gift for the person that has some talk?
<KotCzarny> or some kind of specialized device?
<wens> KotCzarny: read "boombox"?
<KotCzarny> :)
<KotCzarny> there are plenty of bt audio boxes on the market
<wens> my guess is you could plug a usb drive into it and have it play the files, as opposed to having to stream it over bt from a phone
<KotCzarny> my take on the 'speaker box' using bpi-m1
<KotCzarny> its loud enough for normal use (i rarely turn it to full)
<MoeIcenowy> let's imagine how a audio box can make use of A33/R16's quad core
<KotCzarny> the only use of additional power would be running some icecast server too
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<KotCzarny> or visualisations
<KotCzarny> but that can eat as many cycles as you can throw at it
<MoeIcenowy> the product is still not started to be sold
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<chong> longsleep: hi
<chong> longsleep: do you know how to custom dram initial settings on sunxi A64 soc?
<chong> i was confused about boot0 and binary library libdram
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<miasma> MoeIcenowy: samsung introduced 8GB LPDDR4 chips and they also have 128 GB eMMC chips (for automotive). I really wonder how the car audio players can use all that capacity
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<KotCzarny> miasma: one word, pr0n
<miasma> yea, maybe the flash space, but video playback won't need 8 GB of RAM
<KotCzarny> sure, unless you wanted to run windoze on that
<miasma> I thought samsung was supposed to use this compact tiny EFL GUI with Tizen. now, the machines are so powerful they can run any toolkit
<KotCzarny> with big map data cached
<miasma> heh
<miasma> e-book readers also have 512-1024 MB of RAM. the pages need around 40 kB once rendered
<KotCzarny> cache, also, hd display needs a bit of ram too
<KotCzarny> color page rendered at full hd? and one or more pages cached?
<miasma> sure. the ebook readers have 4 bit graphics
<miasma> so it won't use much space even if its hd
<miasma> they can also use lz4 if they want
<KotCzarny> NOW they do
<KotCzarny> but people want color
<miasma> sure
<KotCzarny> trust me, people will use as much ram as they can
<KotCzarny> also, ebook reader can run other apps too
<miasma> the ones with android yes
<miasma> the others don't have much apps
<KotCzarny> it never was 'oh, its enough', but 'lets see if we can have an edge over competition'
<wens> your browser will use as much ram as it can :p
<KotCzarny> who ever though about smartphones in the pre-cellular era?
<KotCzarny> +1 wens
<KotCzarny> any moderately complicated web page can easily eat 1gb of ram
<KotCzarny> sad times
<miasma> yea that's true
<miasma> well, kindle and kobo are probably among the most popular models. they only have experimental browsers
<KotCzarny> yet, i'm still using nokia n900 with 256M of ram
<KotCzarny> and similarly im using some cheap ereader (low mem, but with eink carta display)
<miasma> another funny thing is, pebble time smart watch has a 100 MHz arm cortex m4 and it can sustain smooth animation at several frames per second. the resolution is only 144x168 but they have 6 bit graphics. on ebook readers they even have 1 GHz CPU (cortex a7/a9 or so) and can't play animation at 0.2 fps
<KotCzarny> thats because of the screen
<KotCzarny> eink is slow
<miasma> pebble time has also eink
<KotCzarny> is it regular eink?
<miasma> i'm not sure. at least it doesn't draw much energy
<miasma> a 150 mAh battery lasts for a week
<miasma> on my phone a 3000 mAh battery lasts for a day
<KotCzarny> different use cases
<miasma> anyway, the cpu power is ridiculous on that device, yet it can almost play smoother animations than my oneplus 2 phone
<JohnDoe_71Rus> redraw 144x168 or 800x600 differett time?
<miasma> JohnDoe_71Rus: well, it's 100 MHz cortex m4 vs 1 GHz i.MX6
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<miasma> 256 kB RAM vs 512 MB
<JohnDoe_71Rus> bookreaders use files is archive.
<KotCzarny> 144*168@6bit = 18kB, 800*480@24bit = 1152kB
<KotCzarny> hardly comparable bandwidth
<miasma> KotCzarny: eh, it's 800x600x4bit
<miasma> -> 240 kB
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<KotCzarny> still, 192kB vs 1152kB
<KotCzarny> order of magnitude
<miasma> i think the pebble has around 15 times faster draw speed (fps)
<JohnDoe_71Rus> some readers have wifi + browser
<KotCzarny> i have a kyobo ereader with mirasol display
<KotCzarny> 1024x768, limited color, reaches ~10-15fps in movie play
<miasma> ok that's not bad
<KotCzarny> often its the display that's limiting the fps, not cpu
<KotCzarny> but color range is a bit poor, but at least easily readable in full sunlight
<miasma> well that video shows much faster performance than the normal epub reader
<JohnDoe_71Rus> nook is usual reader
<miasma> i have kobo aura one and kindle paperwhite
<miasma> they should be high end stuff
<miasma> maybe the software is just unoptimized
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<miasma> that nook touch has 800 MHz TI OMAP 3621. I watched another video and it boots in around 30 seconds. my 700 MHz RPi model b (ARMv6) boots to X or Kodi in around 25 seconds.
<miasma> and I didn't even use any optimized embedded distro
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<MoeIcenowy> In fact I think my A33 tablet came with 512MB RAM is not acceptable
<MoeIcenowy> so does Orange Pi One/Lite (
<KotCzarny> they have their uses
<MoeIcenowy> yes...
<KotCzarny> as long it doesnt require web browsing
<KotCzarny> 512MB is plenty
<MoeIcenowy> I know someone use 256MB RAM Nano Pi NEO to do some web forwarding
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<KotCzarny> servers easily cope with such low amount
<KotCzarny> they need good caches in the front though for anything big
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<KotCzarny> 35 years of technology
<oliv3r> morning
<oliv3r> great news everyone! I had 3 crashed boards this morning :)
<KotCzarny> oliv3r: with 480?
<plaes> o_O
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<oliv3r> aye
<oliv3r> so now i know my sample size is of reasonable quality :p (they crash)
<oliv3r> gonna up my sample size to 6 for today
<oliv3r> but i need tkaizer first :p
<KotCzarny> dont worry, he reads the irc log
<KotCzarny> also, if you want him to show up mention armbian or his nick (tkaiser)
<oliv3r> tkaiser, i forgot to download your armbian u-boot images and your host is offline :)
<oliv3r> tkaiser if you can come here we can talk more about armbian u-boot packages
<oliv3r> KotCzarny: there :D
<KotCzarny> :)
<rah> I have a pengpod 1000
<oliv3r> btw, the boombox sounds like an A13/H3? would be fine for too
<rah> were some board configurations not upstreamed?
<oliv3r> rah: quite likley
<oliv3r> i expecte the pengpod people to do that
<KotCzarny> those android vendors dont care about such things
<KotCzarny> though it looks like a linux tablet
<oliv3r> KotCzarny: yeah it was a kickstarter, to get proper linux tablets out
<KotCzarny> i wonder if they did any prototyping or just grabbed ready made solution
<oliv3r> i dont' remember what the exact advantage was
<oliv3r> i think it was that they wanted a sunxi based tablet/mini-pc as sunxi offered an open source solution
<KotCzarny> according to cnet article it was 'linux tablet'
<oliv3r> but 2 years ago ... :)
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<rah> is there an automated way to get from a script.bin to a u-boot configuration?
<KotCzarny> which uboot? what configuration? (script.bin is the uboot config, you can get source fex by running fex2bin)
<rah> KotCzarny: err.. script.bin is the uboot config?
<KotCzarny> yup
<KotCzarny> unless you talk about config for uboot compilation?
<rah> KotCzarny: I don't think you know what you're talking about
<rah> is there an automated way to get from a script.bin to a u-boot _defconfig file?
<KotCzarny> that's 2 different things
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<KotCzarny> and no, there is no such thing because they do totally different things
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<KotCzarny> you can think of script.bin as a device description, but uboot build is something largely unrelated to it
<KotCzarny> so either you dont know what you are asking about or wording it confisingly
<oliv3r> KotCzarny: your tkaiser trick is not working with armbian
<KotCzarny> oliv3r: he might be doing some real work, you know, it happens sometimes
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<oliv3r> KotCzarny: tss tss :
<oliv3r> :)
<apritzel> chong`: the DRAM parameters are somewhere in the boot0 header, you can look for an "a0 02 00 00" with a hexeditor
<apritzel> chong`: you should be able to patch this, then recompute the checksum
<apritzel> or you use the right path(tm): https://github.com/apritzel/u-boot/commits/pine64-spl-wip
<apritzel> rah: can't you just use an existing defconfig which defines CONFIG_MACH_SUN4I=y and adjust this?
<apritzel> rah: the defconfigs are not really complicated, it should be really straightforward to change one to match your board
<MoeIcenowy> apritzel: have you tried my ice-a64-v6.1 tree?
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: not yet, looking into it later today
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: does OTG work for you?
<apritzel> or is it just OTG host mode?
<MoeIcenowy> just host
<MoeIcenowy> Switching USB-A port to gadget mode seems to need more patches
<apritzel> and thanks for using the right repo now ;-)
<apritzel> fetching from your other one wanted to pull in tons of crap patches ;-)
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<NiteHawk> ssvb: I'm currently experimenting with Windows-based builds of sunxi-tools. the autoversion.sh doesn't seem to be much of a problem as long as a POSIX-like shell or build system is available
<NiteHawk> for MS compilers (MSVC) we'd probably have to provide a batch file, however
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<NiteHawk> I'd favor getting the version information (output) in - i.e. merge #62 - before tagging a new release, what's your take on that?
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<rah> apritzel: I don't know, can I?
<rah> CONFIG_DRAM_CLK=480
<rah> CONFIG_SYS_CLK_FREQ=912000000
<rah> CONFIG_AXP_ALDO3_VOLT=2800 O_o
* rah is not sure this is such a good idea
<as0d70apf> lets hope volt is actually milivolt ;)
<apritzel> rah: isn't there some board already which is close? the linux-sunxi Wiki page mentions some similar model, maybe that is supported already?
<apritzel> rah: but well, that's what I meant with adjusting: you would need to find the right values for your board/tablet
<apritzel> rah: DRAM clk and CPU clk are not overly critical (in terms of frying the board)
<apritzel> so I'd learn what ALDO3 is used for - both in your and other boards
<apritzel> maybe you don't need it at all and can disable it
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<apritzel> rah: check the AXP manual for typical usage of ALDO3 (AVCC for instance?), also check your existing board config file script.bin/.fex
<rah> well, basically, the answer is "no", it isn't particularly straightforward
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<oliv3r> ssvb: i just loled at hans's reply
<oliv3r> ssvb: as it also confirms our suspision that things are 'instable'
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<jelle> =)
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<ScrumpyJack> o/
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<ScrumpyJack> .
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<ssvb> NiteHawk: thanks for experimenting with the windows build, and it's nice to know that there are no problems with using shell scripts there
<NiteHawk> ssvb: I'm actually slightly surprised that things go relatively smooth there - i can even see that we might provide precompiled win32 binaries in the future
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<NiteHawk> judging from the NextThingCo antics, i'd have expected the Windows port to be more of a hassle :D
<oliv3r> appearantly, hans already "fixed" this a month ago
<oliv3r> so all the ranting was useless!
<oliv3r> well not useless
<oliv3r> and it is still as you say
<oliv3r> random value a -> random value b
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<nove> it works, and the coefficients for the arbitrary scaler are confirmed to be from a polyphase filter, as in the wiki
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<yann-kaelig> Hi
<yann-kaelig> The sunxi-next branch also contain everything for display, 3D, hardware accelerated video decoding and audio support ?
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