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<zerotri> naobsd: did you have any luck getting the nintendo released uboot built or are you trying with mainline only?
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<naobsd> zerotri: are you asking binary, not source, right?
<zerotri> building the source they released for r16 uboot
<zerotri> I was having trouble getting it built but it seems that was related to gcc version
<naobsd> I heard it can be built, but I didn't try. my interest is mainline.
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<naobsd> well, more accurately, "analysis for mainline"
<fire219> does the NES classic board even have a UART out to pads? if it doesn't, that combined with basically no interfaces except controller would probably make development an exercise in frustration
<fire219> not that i'm trying to discourage anyone :)
<zerotri> Yes it does
<fire219> well at least nintendo has some generosity
<zerotri> Also holding the RESET button on boot goes to FEL mode
<zerotri> So they didn't try nearly as hard to close the system off
<fire219> well we know nintendo's not great at closing systems in ways other than legal BS\
<fire219> see: original Wii
<zerotri> One thing I noticed here is that there is an onboard HDMI encoder
<zerotri> Does the A33 not support sound over HDMI?
<zerotri> I'm trying to figure out what other reason they'd have for not using the built-in encoder
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<zerotri> Ah no, A20 is the one with HDMI out onboard
<fire219> allwinner has no rhyme or reason to their naming schemes and what chips receive what hw. easy to get confused
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<wens> buZz: you can order from taobao, provided you understand chinese?
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<buZz> wens: they can ship anywhere?
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<wens> buZz: depends on the seller i guess
<wens> you pay for shipping
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<wookey> hello peeps. I have a cubietruck here with a very old uboot that can't see the mmc (and doesn't have USB/SCSI/network). I have managed to use fel to boot a uboot on mmc, and thus install debian onto HD. But I can;t work out how to write the updated u-boot to flash so it boots without going via fel mode.
<wookey> sunxi-fel write <address> fails (usb timeout)
<wookey> and I'm not sure what <address> should be, nor how to find out
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<wookey> OK. I got it so that new uboot is run if the mmc/sd card with it on is plugged in
<wookey> but that uboot U-Boot SPL 2014.10+dfsg1-5 (Apr 07 2015 - 22:09:16) doesn't seem to see the nand
<wookey> and neither does the 4.7.0-1-armmp-lpae kernel.
<wookey> ah. I see I need mainline 4.7-rc1 for nand support
<wookey> presumably there is a new-enough U-boot to see (and write to) the nand?
<wookey> or is it normal to just boot from uboot-on-SD and leave it like that?
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<MoeIcenowy> xr819 seems to have no EEPROM and gets MAC from SID
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<igraltist> wookey: its seems so, at the moment i do the same use sd-card to boot hdd
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<dr1337> Anyone have any success getting an AP6212 bluetooth to work with mainline kernel?
<MoeIcenowy> dr1337: you can try to enable the uart
<MoeIcenowy> with rts and cts
<MoeIcenowy> and try to hciattach it
<dr1337> MoeIcenowy: cool thanks. I think I have to modify the device tree, no?
<MoeIcenowy> yes.
<MoeIcenowy> enable the UART
<MoeIcenowy> and enable the uart's rts&cts pins
<dr1337> ok
<MoeIcenowy> you can use sun8i-a33.dtsi and sun8i-a33-inet-d978-rev2.dts as a reference
<MoeIcenowy> it's by me which enables rtl8723bs bluetooth
<dr1337> Thanks - will do :)
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<longsleep> MoeIcenowy: which pins did you use to see uart output on OPi PC2 with the androind image boot0?
<longsleep> MoeIcenowy: ah got it
<wens> a23/h3 audio codec patches sent
<longsleep> For comparison, bootlog of my OPi-PC2 android image: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23464595/
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<MoeIcenowy> longsleep: nothing special
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<longsleep> MoeIcenowy: yeah, figured it out that the board has 3 extra pins for uart0, was trying the ones on the header first
<longsleep> So the thing seems to have an rtc, but no battery?
<longsleep> [ 6.057378] Set vaild hardware RTC date 2016-01-01
<longsleep> [ 6.070759] sunxi-rtc 1f00000.rtc: RTC enabled
<longsleep> [ 6.063302] sunxi-rtc 1f00000.rtc: rtc core: registered sunxi-rtc as rtc0
<MoeIcenowy> longsleep: All H2+/3/5 do have a rtc
<MoeIcenowy> but orange pis use system power to power the rtc
<longsleep> does that make sense?
<MoeIcenowy> which makes it only work when system power is insrted
<MoeIcenowy> xunlong is making nonsense
<longsleep> all right :)
<longsleep> also [ 0.000000] cma: CMA: reserved 300 MiB at 6d400000
<MoeIcenowy> it's the error of xunlong
<longsleep> 300 MiB is a lot for a device which only has on 1GB
<MoeIcenowy> it can make a backup battery slot
<MoeIcenowy> but they didn't do it
<MoeIcenowy> longsleep: I think for 4k playback they will do need 300M
<longsleep> yes
<longsleep> but this leaves only 700MB for the system and apps, seems a terrible default where most people will never use 4K what so ever
<MoeIcenowy> they do not care user experience
<MoeIcenowy> if they consider this they are not Xunlong ;-)
<longsleep> i see, well i am wondering if it would be useful to have this thing working with a desktop environment or not
<longsleep> would it be any better than the pine64 or not, if not i will look not spend any time on the bsp crap
<KotCzarny> i my days we had 512kB for os and we were happy!
<KotCzarny> using browser with 1GB nowadays makes no sense
<longsleep> right
<longsleep> so what is actually the use case for this board?
<KotCzarny> once you load few tabs or bigger page it starts swapping and/or oom-killer
<longsleep> i mean from the vendors perspective
<KotCzarny> vendors just sells boards, not software
<ssvb> longsleep: the CMA reservation is not lost for the rest of the system, this memory area can be used too
<KotCzarny> xunlong slaps broken android and pretends it just works
<longsleep> ssvb: right but large blocks will be locked by the display driver no?
<KotCzarny> you can still use it as a media box
<KotCzarny> longsleep, only when you play something big that uses cma
<ssvb> longsleep: it is allocated/freed on demand
<longsleep> KotCzarny: ok, but i assume the display driver has the same issue as the pine64 where the free actually never happens
<KotCzarny> tbh, for all those cheap, low power boards its simply one-board-one-function
<longsleep> KotCzarny: media box with android you mean? arent there ready to use 4k media android boxes
<ssvb> and the memory occupied by the framebuffer is not accessible for anything else either way, it is not like CMA is making it any worse
<longsleep> ssvb: you have been hacking on uboot support for the thing right? do you have it pushed some place so i could play around with it?
<KotCzarny> llongsleep, it also makes great dev board, as if the name didnt gave it away ;)
<ssvb> longsleep: check the apritzel's github
<ssvb> about RTC, is it possible that there is at least some capacitor, so that the time is not lost during reasonably short periods of power off?
<longsleep> ssvb: let me check
<longsleep> ssvb: does not seem so, at least not when power is off for a second or so
<MoeIcenowy> the rtc is just wasted by Xunlong
<KotCzarny> yup. its sad. because its supports general alarm and weekly alarm (does it mean it could power on automatically?)
<longsleep> well, rpi3 also has no rtc and nobody seems to care
<ssvb> MoeIcenowy: they can always make a new better board
<ssvb> btw, how much does the RTC battery add to the board cost?
<longsleep> 5 euro on amazon as add-on item
<ssvb> that's a lot for a 20$ board, so we can't expect it to be available on-board by default
<longsleep> so when comparing the H5 based OPi with RPi3, what is better with OPi?
<ssvb> did you want to just have a connector for an optional RTC battery?
<longsleep> ssvb: yes, but it can be much cheaper if you source it from china or in lage volumes
<longsleep> ssvb: it would be nice to have an optional battery like on the odroids
<longsleep> ssvb: that is how it should be if you ask me
<ssvb> OPi PC2 is at least cheaper, has faster Ethernet and more USB performance
<longsleep> ssvb: yes the ethernet i would consider this a killer feature too, but seeing the Pine64 disaster people seem to be ok with 100Mbit NICs ..
<longsleep> ssvb: regarding USB performance, you think it would be viable to build a reasonably fast mirror raid with 2 USB devices?
<ssvb> longsleep: regarding USB raid, tkaiser has written this article - https://linux-sunxi.org/Sunxi_devices_as_NAS
<longsleep> ssvb: yes i know, so if that device could use two disks with full uas speeds then it would be something
<KotCzarny> i wouldnt trust any usb adapter to handle large bulk of data
<KotCzarny> though i havent tested those uasp ones yet
<KotCzarny> which one is good/preferred?
<KotCzarny> (regarding stability most, speed and price later)
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<KotCzarny> this lists a few, but anyone with first hand experience?
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<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: with legacy kernel XR819 driver fails to generate MAC address based on SID.
<KotCzarny> tkaiser, another thing to check for usap adapters: trim support
<KotCzarny> *uasp
<tkaiser> longsleep: OPi PC 2 is already nice as a NAS due to GbE and 4 USB ports. We should tell Steven to design next design with RTC battery backup in mind. As option or even only solder pads it shouldn't cost anything
<KotCzarny> apparently not all of those bridges translate unmap to trim, which might be a big boo for anyone attaching ssd
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<KotCzarny> also, apparently startech provides updated firmware for some of their products
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Ok, so you send me a few thousand bucks and I test through all crappy USB enclosures out there? Or shouldn't be people using SSDs in USB enclosures behind USB 2.0 buses not better considered... weird?
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<KotCzarny> do you use any startech or asm* products?
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Regarding ASMedia simply re-read the UASP article.
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: And there some of Hans' rants regarding re-use of IDs
<KotCzarny> still might be worth to check if the ones you own/use enable and use this command
<MoeIcenowy> Something good for opis is that they will hear
<MoeIcenowy> ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> e.g. the SPI Flash
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: Or PoE option or OPi Plus 2E as design (GbE + 2 GB DRAM + all USB ports exposed without USB hub in between)
<MoeIcenowy> so its software failure can be regretted
<MoeIcenowy> or they should save the money for software engineers and donate them to armbian ;-)
<KotCzarny> :)
<KotCzarny> or to linux-sunxi
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<tkaiser> Better to linux-sunxi. But that's a bit hard since there's no entity
<KotCzarny> to provide orangebios
<huawei> OPi PC2 has GbE?
<tkaiser> huawei: Yes
<terra854> Afternoon guys
<terra854> Any updates on A64 mainlining effort?
<MoeIcenowy> terra854: sun50i-ccu-a64, pine64 support merged into 4.10 (linux-next now)
<tkaiser> huawei: Twice the performance in some areas (NEON for example) compared to the PC, GbE instead of Fast Ethernet, everything else remainds the same (ah, SPI flash to boot from!)
<terra854> So what is left for feature complete A64 support?
<MoeIcenowy> terra854: many things
<MoeIcenowy> fully support the USB PHY and MMC
<huawei> tkaiser, nice
<MoeIcenowy> I mean the full support is TODO
<MoeIcenowy> huawei: I bought one opi pc2
<terra854> So linux will run properly on the A64 with next-20161111 from kernel.org?
<huawei> MoeIcenowy, it seems that no available image to use
<MoeIcenowy> terra854: no, mmc support still not good
<MoeIcenowy> huawei: we are WIP on it
<terra854> mmc as in sd card support?
<MoeIcenowy> terra854: yes
<tkaiser> terra854: 'The Mali' doesn't work with mainline. It's unusable anyway
<terra854> Oh I see, cause I would really like to give it a go
<terra854> the kernel i mean
<MoeIcenowy> and DE2 support is WIP in both kernel and u-boot
<terra854> tkaiser: I know that, it is next to impossible given the slow progress of the lima project
<KotCzarny> there is no progress of the lima project
* terra854 wonders if the lima project is still on...
<terra854> I think it is dead
<KotCzarny> nope, its on hold
<tkaiser> terra854: Nope, it seems you're just infected by 'the Mali' hype as so many pour souls over there in Pine64 land
<KotCzarny> because people decided they dont care about blobs and open source
<terra854> MoeIcenowy: DE2?
<longsleep> well why does anyone need graphics output on any of those boards, i do not get it
<MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: the 2nd generation of Allwinner Display Engine
<longsleep> if mmc is there and works then its good enough imho
<MoeIcenowy> used in A83T, H3, A64, H5
<KotCzarny> longsleep: because it makes nice to be able to use terminal and other apps?
<longsleep> KotCzarny: mhm use for what?
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<longsleep> i do not see a real use case
<KotCzarny> general computer
<terra854> longsleep: Well, I think everyone is drawn to the fact that the PineA64 will be a good and cheap media center
<tkaiser> longsleep: Because people really trust in marketing and think they could buy a 'supercomputer' for $15
<KotCzarny> cheap, quite, cold
<KotCzarny> *quiet
<longsleep> media center, use android
<KotCzarny> low power, always-on
<KotCzarny> nah.
<KotCzarny> i prefer linux
<longsleep> and regarding desktop environment, you need a browser eventually and they all totally suck on arm64
<longsleep> also with 2GB ram, thats not enougth for anything serious
<tkaiser> longsleep: apt install firefox:armhf ;) And then suffering from slow random IO on SD card
<KotCzarny> i still have to check if firefox running with .profile in tmpfs works any better
<longsleep> really i do not see the use
<longsleep> tkaiser: sure, but still no fun in that
<tkaiser> longsleep: Exactly, it feels PITA.
<terra854> And none of the major browsers use vdpau
<longsleep> for a desktop one needs fast graphics output with video decoding in browser, webgl and gpu accellerated compositing
<longsleep> if you do not have that it just sucks
<longsleep> and no point in even trying
<terra854> That's where the Mali comes in for compositing (which will never happen)
<terra854> and vdpau support in the major browser
<ssvb> terra854: first, if you really want, then you can use the mali blob
<longsleep> so, for the OPi PC 2, it has only 1GB ram but 4 USB and 1000M NIC, so what to do with it which actually is not pita
<tkaiser> longsleep: OPi PC 2 could be interesting for classrooms as remote graphics terminal since GbE is the fastest interface
<ssvb> terra854: second, compositing only *reduces* performance, while providing nice eye candy effects
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<longsleep> tkaiser: ok thats interesting, but isnt 100M enough for that? so why not use a RPi3 instead
<terra854> ethernet over usb. that's why
<tkaiser> longsleep: please keep in mind that I'm biased doing network stuff with 10GbE, Fast Ethernet feels almost broken ;)
<ssvb> longsleep: is video decoding needed in the browser for youtube?
<tkaiser> ssvb: Seems there exist 'hacks' like smtube
<longsleep> tkaiser: yes i understand that, but for 1080p with a suitable screen codec 100M is plenty
<longsleep> ssvb: yes
<longsleep> ssvb: if you want to go above 480p
<longsleep> ssvb: and even the, check chrome://gpu/ in any chromium based browser to see what they all use the whatever hardware for to make things faster
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<miasma> tkaiser: the nx protocol works over 512kb adsl. remote X is pretty bloated. you should be able to do remote desktop stuff with 100M
<ssvb> longsleep: we have talked about this before, there is no technical issue to have hardware accelerated video decoding in browsers
<longsleep> ssvb: yes, but my point is that even if it would work the usefulnes is doubtful imho and thus not worth the efford
<longsleep> ssvb: i mean Google does it all for android, so why not use it
<ssvb> longsleep: just the open source wankers can't agree which of many possible ways to do it would be preferable
<ssvb> but any commercial product can achieve this with a little bit of patching
<longsleep> right
<longsleep> i think for the OPi PC 2 a non desktop use case needs to be found
<longsleep> without it, the board is just another one in our shelfes
<longsleep> shelves
<longsleep> whatever :)
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<longsleep> i mean for me, with the Pine64 it was armhf and arm64 vm and container support
<terra854> Is there any nmajor differences between the H5 and the A64 (besides the difference in the number of GPU cores)?
<longsleep> it workes really nice
<longsleep> but he board is quite large
<MoeIcenowy> terra854: pinout
<longsleep> so the pc 2 is smaller, but onlky 1 GB ram
<longsleep> only
<MoeIcenowy> standard pmu (H5 do not suit a pmu, A64 suits AXP809)
<terra854> So we can use AXPxxx with the H5?
<terra854> *can't
<longsleep> so lets say for example, can we use the H3 based PC2 to make a decent host for zfs even if it has no ecc?
<tkaiser> longsleep: My use case is NAS for unimportant stuff, being able to spindown a couple of disks individually and use btrfs with it. No ECC --> no important data
<longsleep> tkaiser: right, but what about network storage for your docker images or vms it would be nice if one of the hosts in the fleet could provide that at reasonable performance
<tkaiser> longsleep: Kickstarter ended yesterday ;)
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<longsleep> tkaiser: mhm ok interesting thanks
<tkaiser> longsleep: And to be honest, we replaced a few larger x86 NAS boxes with GbE H3 boards and 3 x 64 GB flash. Used a weird mixture of mdraid and btrfs mirror and performance was quite ok (better than the expensive NAS boxes with 40-50 TB each). Special use case but you could do this with UASP enabled disks on PC 2 too
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<longsleep> tkaiser: yes thats what i am thinking
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<tkaiser> longsleep: This setup shared data for OS X boxes. We used btrfs compression (zlib 9) and achieved pretty sufficient transfer speeds since storage wasn't the bottleneck any more even if just USB 2.0
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<MoeIcenowy> jernej: have you compared the disassembly?
<longsleep> tkaiser: right now i am thinking to concentrate on the Orange Pi Zero, that seems to have more use cases as its very small and has wifi and potentially PoE
<tkaiser> longsleep: Sure, but there's nothing left to be done when MoeIcenowy ported Wi-Fi driver to mainline ;)
<longsleep> tkaiser: i mean software wise - get Ubuntu Snappy for it
<tkaiser> longsleep: Ah, ok
<MoeIcenowy> to really make it enter mainline it needs a rewrite'
<MoeIcenowy> what I say "port" just means make it work on newest kernel
<longsleep> MoeIcenowy: that would be enough for my needs :)
<MoeIcenowy> then I found I'm not familiar with nl80211...
<jernej> MoeIcenowy: Not in the detail.
<terra854> Was hoping allwinner have USB 3.1 support in their SoCs
<tkaiser> terra854: Allwinner isn't developing SBC, their markets are different. It's all about 'as cheap as possible' and some business unit weirdness (see this Nintendo thingie, using R16 there is just brain-dead)
<tkaiser> longsleep: is there already a place to discuss Snappy/Core issues for Orange Pi Zero? Ubuntu forums?
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<MoeIcenowy> but nes mini use R16 is cheap ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> which can save more money for the lawyers ;-)
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<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: But where's the point to use PMIC without battery and a SoC that needs an external component to provide HDMI and audio output? H2+ would've been the better choice.
<MoeIcenowy> good problem ;-)
<BurtyB> maybe the H2+ wasn't around when they started work on it?
<tkaiser> TL Lim said when he decided against R18 and switched to A64 some people at Allwinner were really angry
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<tkaiser> BurtyB: Doesn't matter since H2+ is just a crippled H3. But H is not R (different BUs)
<terra854> R18?
<tkaiser> terra854: Same as A64 with different chip id. Same SoC, different BU, different software development teams. At least that's my impression
<terra854> BU?
<tkaiser> terra854: And R18 is real, first pictures of Pine64 board were with R18 on it. BU == business unit
<MoeIcenowy> if chip id is different then we cannot say it's same chip
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: Maybe, I just played around with A83T and H8 back then and all that was needed to get Allwinner's stuff to boot was exchanging one blob otherwise I got a weird message
<tkaiser> Does anyone here thinks Allwinner would produce 40 different SoCs based on the various names they now use?
<MoeIcenowy> we have already access to two renamed R chips
<MoeIcenowy> R8 and R16 :-)
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: H8 vs A83T: http://forum.linksprite.com/index.php?/topic/4516-lm-sensors-no-worky/#entry12084
<tkaiser> And I would assume the same SoC is now also called R58, V66, T8 and maybe tomorrow has another 5 names
<terra854> Just noticed that Allwinner has so many SoCs
<tkaiser> terra854: They have so many names but just a few SoCs
<terra854> but in the end they are almost the same
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<terra854> tkaiser: Yeah. Some of the SoCs are identical, they just changed the names only
<terra854> Marketing purposes i guess
<MoeIcenowy> now in the allwinner world, a soc, when come with Tina, it's R; when come with tablet UI android, it's A, when come with OTT UI android, it's H, when come with IVI UI android, it's T ;-)
<tkaiser> terra854: We don't know for sure if there aren't real changes, for example R58 is supposed to be paired with a different PMIC than H8 and A83T (IIRC). And these different chip ids are for market segmentation if I understood correctly. Allwinner customers relying on their software offerings get Android 4.4 max for H8 while being 'allowed' to run 5.1 on A83T
<MoeIcenowy> but now no one prefer to use A64 as tablet SoC...
<tkaiser> Would be interesting what they think about the community Android 7.0 port to A64 (since their own offerings end with 6.0)
<BurtyB> all they need now is a W so you can spell wrath ;)
<MoeIcenowy> All current known Allwinner chips will end with Marshmallow
<MoeIcenowy> Nougat's CTS needs GLES 3.2, which cannot be provided by Mali Utgard
<terra854> tkaiser: Well, from what I heard, it's getting better every day
<MoeIcenowy> and allwinner is now even making wifi cards...
<tkaiser> terra854: See MoeIcenowy's answer, if GPU doesn't meet specs then...
<terra854> I know. I saw it
<MoeIcenowy> I wonder what will be done by aw
<MoeIcenowy> purchase Mali Bifrost/Midgard or keep the Android ver @ 6.0
<MoeIcenowy> Oh I forgot that A83T uses PVR GPU
<tkaiser> terra854: On the other hand I really don't understand Pine64 users keen on Android. They buy a board, a battery, a really crappy LCD, an ugly/bulky enclosure, assemble this stuff to an ugly beast, use a crappy SD card just to get worst Android experience ever. While on aliexpress they could get A64 tablets for half the price
<MoeIcenowy> is there A64 tablets now?
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<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: Sure, even 'hybrids' with keyboard and trackpad
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<MoeIcenowy> I think A64 now became a loser on the tablet market
<MoeIcenowy> being beat by MediaTek (which have baseband) and Intel (which have *MICROSOFT WINDOWS* and also baseband)
<terra854> Baseband as in cellular network?
<MoeIcenowy> yes
* terra854 is planning a takeover of allwinner...
<MoeIcenowy> what?!
<terra854> Hahahaha
<terra854> I'm just joking
<terra854> But seriously though, they really need to work with the open source community and to come out better SoCs
<terra854> Instrad of focusing only on money
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<huawei> terra854, samsung and TI have nice work on mainline kernel
<MoeIcenowy> although I think this time Orange Pi PC2 did a good work
<terra854> TI = Texas Instruments?
<MoeIcenowy> it will be better if they delay the release of opipc2 and wait for us to finish a u-boot to be flashed
<terra854> BTW is there a BSP for that H8 SoC?
<huawei> terra854, yes, but they already exited in this market
<terra854> *H5
<terra854> I see
<MoeIcenowy> armbian guys have already got it
<huawei> terra854, xunlong released an Android SDK
<terra854> And what version of the linux kernel is supplied with it?
<MoeIcenowy> 3.10 .
<huawei> terra854, 3.10.9
* terra854 almost fainted
<terra854> 3.10.9????
<terra854> And H5 SoC is released later than the A64 right?
<MoeIcenowy> terra854: according to the wafer number, it's right
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<tkaiser> It should be 3.10.65 as with A64?
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<tkaiser> At least that's what they also use for R40 and I really doubt they work on more than two kernel drops (3.4.39 and 3.10.65)
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<MoeIcenowy> they are even not interested in bump the second field
<terra854> Or better yet, they don't care about bug fixing
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<MoeIcenowy> s/second/third
<majosa> It's shocking see people paying 200$ for a R16 board
<MoeIcenowy> they want the WeChat connected service
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<MoeIcenowy> xradio_wlan.ko passed build on 4.9-rc
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<MoeIcenowy> oh my god according to xradio driver's firmware error info
<MoeIcenowy> the xradio contains an ARM core...
* MoeIcenowy must leave my Orange Pi Zero now, will continue to debug when back
<msev-> hey tkaiser :)
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<msev-> so me being a noob i should open issues on the Wiring-OPI page for OPI Zero support :D
<msev-> or is it easy to do?
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<KotCzarny> wow, that makes opipc2.. 4+4+1+1.. decacore!
<KotCzarny> :>
<majosa> probably it's a m0
<majosa> *another m0
<KotCzarny> longsleep: regarding use cases, pain etc. we are spoiled now. simple tasks relating finding information on the network requires gigabytes of ram, 4k displays etc. one could satisfactorily use it as a secondary desktop/terminal, as long one doesnt expect all bells and whistles
<KotCzarny> it might multitask in home as a smart-house center, nas, private server, router, whatever you name it, and double as a information terminal too
<tkaiser> msev-: as already said, I've dealt one time in my life with this WiringPi stuff and that was to get a DHT11 working with A20. I've some assumptions regarding WiringOP with H2+/H3 but no clueas. Why not ask Pete Scargill on his blog?
<KotCzarny> and biggest bonus is being low-power, quiet and featuring multitude of ports
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<KotCzarny> oh, and ability to run linux of course
<KotCzarny> offtopic, "uasp linux" produces linux-sunxi page as the fourth hit
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<longsleep> tkaiser: #snappy is the place
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<tkaiser> longsleep: Just in case (don't know how IgorPec will decide). But Armbian forum hopefully will be open for other distros/projects as well: https://forum.armbian.com/index.php/topic/2797-new-unofficial-orange-pi-forum/?view=getlastpost
<longsleep> tkaiser: makes sense yes, but i am not a big fan of any forum :)
<tkaiser> longsleep: Me too
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<KotCzarny> so, back to uasp chips, is there any recommended one? i have found mixed opinions on either jms and asm chips, might be related to users' host chipsets and operating systems. but regarding sunxi use?
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: The ones I use/prefer are: JMS567 and ASM1153
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Regarding the older ASM simply read http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg119432.html
<KotCzarny> tkaiser, uhum, thx.
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<tkaiser> KotCzarny: On the wiki page there are approximately 100 footnotes ;)
<KotCzarny> 8. to be exact.
<KotCzarny> another chip that seems popular is ns1066
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Why? Since 'It doesnÕt support UASP, but as previously mentioned we donÕt really need that when using it for mechanical hard drives'?
<KotCzarny> im looking for stable usb solution, one that survives transferring terabytes of data. ;)
<tkaiser> On the Internet? Nice...
<KotCzarny> first im looking for reported problems, there is a chance others been there too usually
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<tkaiser> And then there's the chance of new product revision and so on. With that cheap stuff your only chance is to test yourself and take precautions (using btrfs/zfs for example)
<KotCzarny> unfortunatelly thats true. and finding older, tested chips is tricky
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<KotCzarny> hmm, rxd-339u3 seems to use asm1153
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<wens> majosa: it's branded nintendo :p
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<majosa> I saw an I2C driver for the controllers under GPL2 in the sources of mini NES
<KotCzarny> tkaiser, how are you powering those drives? usb port only or external dc-in?
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Depends. I've one Samsung SSD (an OEM) that kills almost every SBC when host-powered. But normally SSDs are fine. And 3.5" are always powered externally. Simply look into datasheets for peak / spinup consumption. That's all that matters.
<tkaiser> Most recent 2.5" have pretty low spinup power requirements
<KotCzarny> i mean, most of the adapters take both data and power ports of the drive, most expect usb3 bus power
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<tkaiser> Yes, so it depends on what the drive needs whether problems occur or not. Time to try out
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<KotCzarny> also, i wonder if its real limit (2TB) or sellers just have no clue
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<tkaiser> KotCzarny: 2TB limit? On Aliexpress USB-to-SATA bridges?
<naobsd> zerotri: I noticed you also saw things in NAND
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Until recently 2.5" was identical with '2 TB max'. And customers are clueless anyway so maybe this was already some sort of 'saving frustrations'
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<KotCzarny> that 2TB limit is real for older bridges, i would assume anything capable of usb3 not being limited
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Well assumptions and then ordering the cheapest stuff available... I ordered only stuff where the chipset was part of product specs and where returing the product or getting a refund seemed possible.
<KotCzarny> aliexpress.com returns almost nothing on jms567
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Which is why I bought on amazon.de ;)
<KotCzarny> 4 results
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: google --> jms567 site:amazon.de
<tkaiser> Or 152d 0567 site:$seller-of-choice
<KotCzarny> or just particular enclosure model. ie inateck fe2006
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Works with Inateck or StarTech but not with others
<KotCzarny> which ones do you own?
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<tkaiser> Neither nor ;)
<tkaiser> I have 'CSL' and 'ICY BOX' (raidsonic)
<tkaiser> Seriously: buy something you can return and test. Everything else is a huge waste of time
<KotCzarny> uhum.
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<tkaiser> With Raidsonic googling works mostly but they had one model where they exchanged silently a crap chipset with a good one without changing product name. But that was years ago
<KotCzarny> unfunny part of buying electronics is lack of technical details often
<KotCzarny> maybe i'll just to into local store and start opening enclosures
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: So why not buying stuff that mentions technical details? And then return stuff if it's not the case? Checking USB vendor/device id is ok (unless it's ASMedia inside ;) )
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<KotCzarny> icy box ib-25[345]u3 seems to support uasp. cant find what chipset they have though
<KotCzarny> local store has them for ~15eur
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<KotCzarny> tkaiser, apparently newer chip jms578 allows trim passthrough
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<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Thanks, now we just need someone providing an OPi Zero 'HAT' using two JMS578, the two exposed USB2.0 ports on Zero's 13-pin header and providing two mSATA slots. Then people can start to play pocket RAID ;)
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<KotCzarny> well, jmicron says their chips support port-multipliers, *hint* *hint*
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<zerotri> Naobsd: able to pull things from NAND but still no luck getting console in Linux
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<tkaiser> KotCzarny: PM means shared bandwidth. And those JMicron PMs (especially those playing RAID) aren't that great.
<KotCzarny> yeah, i was just kidding. i wonder if xunlong could simply use jms567 or 578 instead of crappy gl830
<KotCzarny> all in all they are hardware guys and that usb bridge is almost self contained anyway https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i1/711737283/TB2jFYHbICO.eBjSZFzXXaRiVXa_!!711737283.jpg
<tkaiser> GL830 must be cheap as hell while those 'USB3' chipsets add significantly to costs
<KotCzarny> shouldnt be that much more, and having really working solution would be great. maybe even doing 2 sata ports at once?
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<KotCzarny> either those orico guys are clueless or there is something going on with that 2TB limit
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Maybe they fear just clueless customers. If you know that's JSM578 inside you know also there's no capacity limit
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<tkaiser> I don't want to know how many morons order such cheap adapters and open a dispute later since their 3.5" disk doesn't work with it
<KotCzarny> we will see in a month
<KotCzarny> unless someone from china is going to buy one of those two and do some speed/feature/compatibility tests
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: How many 2.5" disks do you have that exceed 2TB capacity?
<KotCzarny> only 129usd
<KotCzarny> aand 4tb for 9usd more, lol
<KotCzarny> so, its happening already
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: I know, and what's quite surprising is the power consumption according to specs.
<KotCzarny> its only motor start that was a problem in old drives, newer with soft start are fine
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<yann-kaelig> Hi. An universal touch screen controller with an universal screen converter can be the best way to connect a touchscreen on board ? I try to find somethign interesting for the cubieboard2 but there is really nothing dedicated for it. All I can find is for raspberry
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<miasma> KotCzarny: that drive is pretty awesome, but i guess the radom write throughput won't be good if it's a SMR drive. i have the 1TB version
<miasma> oh wait, i have seagate
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<KotCzarny> what good is drive if you cant connect it to your board
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<miasma> KotCzarny: what drive you can't connect ?
<KotCzarny> any drive
<KotCzarny> while my banana has no problem with the drive connected to sata port, from 2 usb-sata adapters one is recently failing (general usb disconnects that require replugging)
<miasma> is it a powering issue
<KotCzarny> im afraid to bump the voltage on my psu too much
<KotCzarny> maybe i should switch to powering it via gpio
<KotCzarny> but i dont know if its safe on bpi-r1
<miasma> mm
<miasma> do you have one of those usb power meters?
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<miasma> it might show if the voltage is dropping
<miasma> i guess the bus could support 5.2 (or maybe even 5.5V)
<KotCzarny> i have li-ion battery connected
<miasma> ah ok
<KotCzarny> and i haven't studied power routing
<miasma> and after that some dc-dc supply?
<miasma> li-ion is 3.7V no?
<KotCzarny> nope, its connected to battery port on the board
<miasma> um.. maybe the board has a voltage converter
<KotCzarny> a10/a20 boards featured battery ports and axp209 is able to charge/use it
<miasma> right, but it probably needs to change the voltage for usb
<KotCzarny> can you read board power schematics?
<KotCzarny> all i need to know is if gpio 5v is directly connected to dc-in
<KotCzarny> hmm
<KotCzarny> or to sata-power port
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<miasma> i think i read about that stuff (banana pro) in some banana pi forums
<miasma> iirc they weren't able to do it via gpios
<KotCzarny> bpi-r1 is a bit different beast
<miasma> i tested my seagate 1TB mobile drive (smr hdd) with 5V/100mA from my usb keyb. it didn't power on
<miasma> the motor started spinning, but it tries to spin up in a loop
<miasma> powered hub in my dell monitor worked
<miasma> 5V/500mA
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<be00e> is https://www.bananian.org/ based on armbian at all?
<KotCzarny> nope
<KotCzarny> both are debian spin offs
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<be00e> OK I'm prob going to follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Banana_Pro and configure on my own, I'm not a fan of the pre distributed image...
<KotCzarny> you can build armbian from scratch using the script
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<be00e> KotCzarny, But then why not just use https://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ directly? why the armbian spin off?
<KotCzarny> it uses debian repos and adds sunxi specific parts
<be00e> And if what I read was correct armbian doesn't support graphic acceleration like bananaian?
<KotCzarny> define 'graphic acceleration'
<be00e> Best utilization and support for Accelerated Mali GPU
<KotCzarny> umm, you know that mali is only for 3d GLES apps and doesnt accelerate anything else?
<KotCzarny> also, with legacy kernel it enables mali module too if anyone has a use for it
<be00e> OpenGL ES
<KotCzarny> you know what gles is?
<KotCzarny> yes. now go into chrome gpu-info page and see if its actually used?
<KotCzarny> (type: about:gpu into address bar)
<be00e> For what I want to do it is
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<KotCzarny> copypaste contents of that page onto http://pastebin.com and i'll tell you if its used
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<KotCzarny> on another note, on my thinkpad t500 i see that chromium is using open gles 2.0, lol
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<mdsrv> hi
<mdsrv> any clue why ffplay does not work properly with vdpau codecs?
<mdsrv> mpv has no problems
<mdsrv> mpeg1, mpeg4 and h264 were tested