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<dmiles>
perverted?!
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<rpg>
dmiles: compiling one high level language to another does seem a little perverted. But on the other hand, everyone's compiling stuff to JavaScript these days, so go figure!
<rpg>
dmiles: Once you get WAM-CL done, you can run Peter Norvig's Prolog-in-Lisp on it, which will almost be an MCEscher drawing!
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<Xach_>
that happened with the lisp jvm and abcl, didn't it?
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<aeth>
rpg: I personally see Lisp as more of a platform than a language.
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<aeth>
Compiling things to and from Lisp just seems so natural.
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<hajovonta>
the dates are for the blog posts, not for the exact months, so there is a little shift, it's a quick glance only
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<hjudt_>
from a library i get the warning message "bare references to struct types are deprecated. please use (:pointer (:struct ...)) or (:struct ...) instead. what are "bare references to struct types", what do they look like?
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<osune_>
hajovonta: I see. Thanks
<Shinmera>
CFFI type specifications that use the struct name symbol directly rather than (:struct foo)
<hjudt_>
Shinmera: thanks. then i probably can narrow down the culprit.
<hjudt_>
nail down
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<Xach_>
What was the fix for the other qt-related libraries and new asdf?
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<hajovonta>
hi Xach_
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<mfiano>
There is a rather large bug with ASDF that came to realization after a bug report I submitted to a project recently. I hope it doesn't take SBCL a few years to update for a fix once one is available.
<Shinmera>
Xach_: There were changes between commonqt (qt), qtools, and qt-libs. Are all of them up-to-date?
<Xach_>
Shinmera: They were updated all together about four hours ago
<Xach_>
perhaps five
<Xach_>
Should I try again?
<Shinmera>
No, no changes since then
<Shinmera>
hold on
<Shinmera>
The changes were related to ASDF in the sense that I finally decided to incorporate some stuff into CommonQt to get rid of gross hacks in qt-libs.
<rumbler31>
Shinmera: does that have to do with things like shlepping native libs around?
<Shinmera>
rumbler31: Hm?
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<rumbler31>
er, I remember that qt-libs concerned itself with installing native libs, and also for providing that the native libs get shipped with lisp applications, right?
<Shinmera>
Xach_: Try again now, there's a change in qt-libs
<Shinmera>
rumbler31: Yes, so what is your question?
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<rumbler31>
are the changes you're talking about w.r.t. qt-libs and asdf concerned with using asdf to ship the native libraries with applications?
<Shinmera>
No
<rumbler31>
ok, thank you
<Shinmera>
CommonQt's system definition includes a step that builds libcommonqt.so automatically on linux systems. Doing so requires qmake, gcc, and a bunch of foreign libraries. Qt-libs should prevent that, so there was a series of ugly hacks to change the system on the fly to stop it from doing that, and to also jump in between to reroute other loading mechanisms
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<Shinmera>
Now CommonQt includes the capabilities I needed on its own, plus a new system qt+libs that uses qt-libs to deliver the binaries.
<Shinmera>
So the dependency changed from qt-libs => qt to qt+libs => qt-libs
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<KZiemian>
Hello World!
<KZiemian>
after yesterday meeting with phoe
<KZiemian>
CLUS project enter new phase
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<KZiemian>
so don't hasitet to writing to me: what are you doing? Why so long?
<beach>
Who are you asking?
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<dim>
I'm not sure how common it is around here (I think not much), I am now publishing my docs for pgloader at http://pgloader.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ ; using a Python based tooling --- that's the end-user docs, that said
<sebboh>
jasom: help! The free code your provided which I used for a local utility stopped working after I apt-get upgrade'd!
<dmiles>
next asarch wants then pointing cross-eyed?
<dmiles>
to have them point at each other this is where a locative comes in
<dmiles>
like: (let ((c (cons () ()))(loc (make-locative))) (setf (car c) loc) (setf (cdr c) loc))
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<asarch>
WOW!!!
<asarch>
Thank you!!!
<asarch>
Thank you very much guys :-)
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<Xach_>
asarch: what prompts the question?
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<asarch>
I just was re-reading my logs from the channel when I asked about: (cons '(x y z) 'w)
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<KZiemian>
see you
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<jasom>
sebboh: I'll take a look
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<jasom>
sebboh: it's corrected
<jasom>
rpg: is the "eval-when" that I had in my .asd a no-no?
<jasom>
rpg: I changed it to a defsystem-depends-on and :cffi-grovel-file instead of cffi:grovel-file which seems the "right way"
<rpg>
jasom: I was out to lunch....
<rpg>
what is the specific question? My laptop went to sleep and i lost some context
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<rpg>
The old version wasn't actually wrong (or at least detected as such), but the new one is better because if cffi-grovel changes then ASDF will properly detect that fact -- it wouldn't before.
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<rpg>
I was just confused because before I was looking at the use of MAKE-INSTANCE on OPERATION problem, which was fixed.
<jasom>
rpg: ah
<jasom>
I just saw an ASDF failure then saw an eval-when in the .asd file and got sad.
<jasom>
I think the latest CFFI in QL doesn't have that issue either, so perhaps sebboh needs to update his quicklisp dist
<rpg>
jasom: No, the EVAL-WHEN would not have caused an ASDF failure. But your change makes things potentially better.
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<shka>
good evening
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<sebboh>
jasom and rpg, thanks! I'll update and report back. :)
<jmercouris>
xb
<jmercouris>
sorry, trying to switch buffer
<sebboh>
jasom, there's an unused variable warning in the C grovel stuff. Not important to me, only mentioning it because I'm already here. /home/hobbes/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.4.2.debian-linux-x64/home/hobbes/quicklisp/local-projects/clinenoise/termios-grovel__grovel.c:13:7: warning: unused variable ‘autotype_tmp’ [-Wunused-variable]
<jmercouris>
can anyone please tell me how to run a "shell command" in ccl?
<jmercouris>
ccl:run-program?
<Shinmera>
generally just use uiop:run-program
<jmercouris>
Shinmera: Just for making it cross-implementation?
<Shinmera>
No reason not to
<emaczen>
If slime and SBCL have trouble finding my sources what should I do? I think I've had this problem before and for some odd reason it keeps reoccuring...
<emaczen>
It is having trouble "finding my sources" from the debugger
<jmercouris>
Shinmera: It seems to only get the exit code
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<Shinmera>
Read the docs
<jmercouris>
Shinmera: If I run "ls -la ~/" for example, it doesn't show the contents of my home dir
<emaczen>
Bike: I think I found something, let me give it a try now
<emaczen>
Bike: Nope, I think it is having trouble finding my sources?
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<jmercouris>
jasom: so which shell does it pick? what if you have several?
<jasom>
jmercouris: it's implementation dependent, but usually /bin/sh on *nix and cmd.exe on windows
<jmercouris>
jasom: I see interesting!
<jasom>
jmercouris: if you want a specific shell then do something like: (uiop:run-program ("/bin/bash" "-c" "ls -la ~/")) ;; though this breaks on e.g. nixos that has no /bin/bash
<jmercouris>
Right, that's fine, just doing this for a demonstrator, it is okay, thank you
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<sebboh>
Where are the McCLIM people at? Hey, I'm sure you've heard about how BountySource has been eaten by some ICO jerks who apparently think that they now own us "users" of BountySource. So, are you going to accept donations via some other mechanism?
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<aeth>
I'm not sure there's any other convention other than head/tail (not in standard) and the in-standard car/cdr first/rest. Possibly "next" instead of "tail", but that's more of a doubly linked list thing ("previous" and "next" for the links)
<aeth>
When you use "next" as the convention, you usually use "data" instead of "car" or "head" or "first".
<aeth>
Knowing alternative names can be helpful, e.g. when you want to implement your own doubly linked list or something.
<Zhivago>
head/tail is for recursive decomposition of sequences.