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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<iissaacc>
howsit my bradas
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<iissaacc>
whats the go-to library for drawing trees/graphs? looked at a bunch i wondered if anyone had any recommendations for something easy to get going with
<iissaacc>
my trees are just your standard s-expr ones
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<iissaacc>
doesnt need to be pretty, just so i can easily see the output of my classification experiments
<no-defun-allowed>
draw-cons-tree is acceptable for text diagrams of lists and atoms.
<no-defun-allowed>
To see a "tree" the way you would expect to see one, you need to tilt your head 45 degrees anti-clockwise (or your monitor 45 degrees clockwise) though.
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<iissaacc>
thanks no-defun-allowed this will do for the time being
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<aeth>
that's a good idea for someone who has a graphics library.
<no-defun-allowed>
zombie-raptor:draw-cons-tree
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<aeth>
in 3D, you have so many options
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<phoe>
"The initargs argument is the set of initialization arguments and values that will be passed to make-instance when the effective slot definition metaobject is created."
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<phoe>
yes, I assume that :ON-FIRE T will be passed there
<no-defun-allowed>
Well, SBCL and Clozure appear to not pass :on-fire.
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<phoe>
I'
<phoe>
I'll check
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<phoe>
oh, hmmmmm
<no-defun-allowed>
Yeah, Clozure only passes the "inbuilt" initargs.
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<phoe>
hold on a second
<phoe>
on SBCL, make-instance signals an error because :ON-FIRE is not a known keyword argument
<phoe>
but then this means that :ON-FIRE should have been passed to e-s-d-c
<phoe>
otherwise this is a MOP violation
<phoe>
that's how I am reading it
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<no-defun-allowed>
I'm going to back out of trying to interpret the MOP, and I'll just restructure this to not use initargs like that.
<phoe>
I mean, uhhhh
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<phoe>
it's possible that this is a bug or something.
<phoe>
beach: what do you think?
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<beach>
Let me read the relevant passages...
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<no-defun-allowed>
But, I would say that if it did pass all the initargs, what would it pass for something like (defclass foo () ((a :on-fire t)) ...) (defclass bar (foo) ((a :on-fire nil)) ...)? Merging values like that makes sense for :initargs, :allocation, and so on, but not arbitrary initargs.
<beach>
I think I agree.
<beach>
no-defun-allowed: That would have to be handled by compute-slots.
<no-defun-allowed>
Right then.
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<beach>
Each DIRECT-SLOT-DEFINITION would have that initarg, and COMPUTE-SLOTS must decide how to take all the DIRECT-SLOT-DEFINITIONs for the same slot and compute an EFFECTIVE-SLOT-DEFINITION.
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<no-defun-allowed>
Yeah, I have modified my code to not use different effective slot definition classes, as it would just be a weird way of representing a predicate here.
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<no-defun-allowed>
phoe, beach: Thanks for your interpretations.
<phoe>
I don't understand that just yet then
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<scymtym>
contrapunctus: when tying a parser to a particular result representation, there is often tension between the requirements of further processing steps (often benefit from proper syntax tree with classes and all) on the one hand and simplicity of development, debugging and testing which list-based results provide on the other hand. after a few years, i came up with https://github.com/scymtym/architecture.builder-protocol/ (a variation of
<scymtym>
the well-known builder design pattern) to address that problem
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<contrapunctus>
scymtym: that's true...but in this case, I really don't know what's going on or what's the right way to make a parser emit CommonDoc IR. I guessed there might be something like a "plist-to-commondoc" procedure, but didn't find anything like that either.
<contrapunctus>
Which leaves the 'use constructors' path, and the unresolved mystery of why Scriba emits those plists.
<contrapunctus>
(Or, like, emailing Eudoxia about it. 🤔)
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<mseddon>
contrapunctus: take this REPL. We all believe in you.
<contrapunctus>
lol
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<AeroNotix>
I'm struggling to find docs on how to use .a files with cffi. Can someone point me to the right place, please?
<mseddon>
AeroNotix: Letting people know which operating system you are running under will help here.
<AeroNotix>
mseddon: linux
<AeroNotix>
arm+x86 if that makes any difference, too
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<AeroNotix>
Still struggling with finding information about this.
<phoe>
AeroNotix: I don't know if you can use these; CFFI is capable of linking against shared libraries only, not static ones
<AeroNotix>
Yeah that's trickier than it sounds for this particular library
<AeroNotix>
but I will continue on in that vein then
<phoe>
I don't know if it's possible to link against a static library dynamically!
<AeroNotix>
Well, I was kinda hoping you could link in the static library through some tool which would wrap it all, very hand-wavey but wondered if possible
<AeroNotix>
sounds like not, so I will work on getting a dynamic library from this static one instead then
<phoe>
that tool is called gcc
<AeroNotix>
well yeah but then I'd have to write a bunch of stuff,.. I was kinda hoping there'd be a tool that existed already which handled this for CL
<phoe>
this is the land of C compiler, or more strictly, C linker.
<AeroNotix>
No, not directly CL no
<AeroNotix>
phoe: not sure if you've actually ran those steps and are just googling :) Not to be rude but I have been looking around since I asked as well :)
<phoe>
:(
<phoe>
yes, I have been just googling
<phoe>
I have come upon this issue a few times in the past though
<AeroNotix>
The library is a bit wonky, there's quite a few libraries it depends on linking with too, it's not just a quick gcc invocation away. Which is why I kept asking about potential other avenues
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<AeroNotix>
But I will continue down the path of getting a shared lib for it, since that's the only one which appears to be available
<phoe>
I remember that _death had an issue with this
<phoe>
in particular I think that some debian package only provided an .a version of some library and not a .so
<AeroNotix>
ugh, why would they do that?
<phoe>
maybe he will have some more practical insight
<AeroNotix>
ok I'll stick around
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<AeroNotix>
eh, I think I just got a shared library any way.
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<AeroNotix>
will see if it even works though :)
<AeroNotix>
Not from the stackoverflow answer
<AeroNotix>
Well, cffi seems to accept it, lets see if I can call a function in there.
<Bike>
as far as i know implementations use dlopen etc under the hood, which isn't going to work with a static library
<Bike>
but i have very little experience with static libraries, so who knows
<AeroNotix>
yeah that makes sense how it would use a shared library as that's pretty much the only way
<AeroNotix>
but I was kinda asking/hoping if there was some interesting project which could take a static library, wrap it, and present it as a shared library
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<AeroNotix>
but appears that's just wishful thinking
<AeroNotix>
you _can_ convert most stuff with just gcc, but this lib seems to be pretty finicky
<AeroNotix>
regardless, I have a shared library now-- on to testing it
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<Bike>
you'd basically have to turn non relocatable code into relocatable code, right? seems uh... difficult
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<AeroNotix>
yes
<AeroNotix>
Wishful thinking of course
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<AeroNotix>
hmm, well... it seems to be calling parts of the functions
<AeroNotix>
the whole reason I am using CL for this is (apart from it obviously being better). Is the library I am wrapping uses a tonne of callbacks, most other languages are such a pain when the C lib uses callbacks heavily.
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