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<sb0_> hmm, LED-blinky and slower-than-slowtan6 Actel FPGA?
<mumptai> sb0_, hey they want to do arduino for
<sb0_> and java. urgh.
<wpwrak_> on the first day, god created the blinking LED ... :)
<mumptai> FPGAs
<sb0_> I wonder if Actel will still survive long. seriously, their FPGAs are so slow you can often replace them with a fast ARM MCU
<sb0_> and benefit from incomparably better software tools. Actel didn't just fuck up their silicon, their software is also much worse than ISE.
<wpwrak_> ah, he has made a PSHDL -> VHDL translator. no synthesis then.
<wpwrak_> i like the way germans often use english swear words excessively :)
<mumptai> actel is more or less a niche market provider, imho
<mumptai> mhmm, a browser-based IDE?
<wpwrak_> that's all the rage now, e.g., this one too: http://mbed.org/
<mumptai> urks
<mumptai> why do they all go crazy on their
<mumptai> pcb shapes?
<larsc> somehow you have to differentiate yourself from the competetion
<mumptai> like placing 100mil headers in a non-100-mil grid?
<wpwrak_> like, rounded down to 0.08 attoparsec ?
<mumptai> more like: nooobody will use a perfboard, or a solderless breadboard, EVER ..
<wpwrak_> well, it's been many many years that i touched one of these ...
<mumptai> sorry, i was stretching the arduino analogy, the arduino people seem to be using them all the time
<larsc> it's getting less and less useful with less and less dip chips
<larsc> but for blinking a LED it should be enough
<mumptai> dip parts are more or less replaced with small carrier pcbs, but its kinda limited to certain applications ..
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