<Pali>
I have in laptop that lis chip and thinking how to use it :-)
<Pali>
it is connected to intel SMBus
<DocScrutinizer05>
:nod:
<DocScrutinizer05>
SMBus and I2C seem to be quite identical
<Pali>
and acpi complain if I want to use native linux kernel drivers for that intel smbus
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: (eci) there doesn't seem to be anything in that patch that talks to hardware. this is a high-level driver that uses a lower-level driver for the dirty work
<Oksana>
wpwrak : tooltips not working here, still. Such as, backup battery tool tooltip.
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep, thought as much
<DocScrutinizer05>
(already had a look into it ;-D )
<wpwrak>
Oksana: works with my ancient firefox ...
<MonkeyofDoom>
DocScrutinizer05: I bet dmesg will look like a party after people play with that (batt hotswap) feature :D
<DocScrutinizer05>
no problem for an experienced kernel hacker like almesberger, but for me it been a "meh! get coffee..."
<Pali>
but I have told acpi to allow me to use it smbus+lis drivers and now I have device in /dev/
<DocScrutinizer05>
MonkeyofDoom: hehe
<DocScrutinizer05>
dang, maemo servers run cron jobs on UTC
<DocScrutinizer05>
mails come in an hour earlier now
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2014-10-29 Wed 22:42:56] <DocScrutinizer51> no it isn't :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2014-10-29 Wed 22:43:31] <DocScrutinizer51> and that diagram is supposed to have 64GB eMMC
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2014-10-29 Wed 22:43:37] <Oksana> Do you mean that *bold* is N900 specs, and not-bold is Neo900 specs ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2014-10-29 Wed 22:44:05] <DocScrutinizer51> THAT indeed is confusing
<wpwrak>
the text above is what N900 had. that's the same everywhere: italics = n900-only. and if there's n900 and neo900 in the same pop-up, then i add a horizontal line.
<DocScrutinizer05>
I asked for having this clarification in the diagram
<Oksana>
+ I guessed correctly :)
<wpwrak>
i also add a horizontal line for "connects to ...". in that case, there can be two horizontal lines, one so separate n900 from neo900, and the other to separate neo900 from "connects to ..."
<DocScrutinizer05>
and I add a horizontal line under this discussion for now
<wpwrak>
and if there's no italics at all (and no horizontal line), then this would indicate something that is either neo900-only or the same in n900 and neo900.
<DocScrutinizer05>
it went for too many hours already
<wpwrak>
Oksana: both use bold. non-bold means "further details". in the case of eMMC, we have to unfortunate situation that there's very little extra information, hence the ??? (but it's bold :)
<Oksana>
Legend is needed :)
<Oksana>
Or more CSS
<wpwrak>
yeah, i can put some HTML with descriptions and whatever else comes to mind below the map.
<wpwrak>
but please bear in mind that the HTML is mainly a technical tool, so there will be confusing details. the PDF has much less of that.
<wpwrak>
i.e., the main reason why i put all these links there is that we can use them as convenient reference for hw and sw development
<Pali>
OMFG... kernel dbus patches were sent to LKML
<MonkeyofDoom>
where else could they send them?
<MonkeyofDoom>
:P
<wpwrak>
and we have a *21 version :)
<Pali>
of cource patches should be sent only to poettering emails address
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<gervas70>
hi
<gervas70>
how many N900s from mozilla are still available for developers?
<jonwil>
I suspect that the question of whether you can have one depends on what you intend doing with it
<gervas70>
anything worth to help neo900 developing and testing
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<freemangordon_>
gervas70: I guess you could elaborate a bit :)
<freemangordon_>
jonwil: hi. some development - record module no longer asserts :). but, the audio in camera recorded video is beyond any recognition :D
<freemangordon_>
not that it was unexpected
<jonwil>
you could try replacing different functions with their stock versions one by one to see which one makes the audio work better
<jonwil>
that will help you narrow down which function(s) are broken
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<freemangordon_>
jonwil: yep, sure
<freemangordon_>
though I suspect 2
<jonwil>
btw the other day you linked to a post of mine on exetools and mentioned my name (I wasn't online at the time, I saw it in the logs)
<jonwil>
was there something you wanted to say about that post?
<freemangordon_>
yep, you made an IDA plugin I wanted to use
<freemangordon_>
but I don;t have an account on exetools so I was unable to download it
<freemangordon_>
at the end I manually converted some 30 values to FP :)
<jonwil>
yeah I know that plugin, it doesn't work right with the latest stuff we have (IDA 6.5 and ARM Hex-Rays) in any case
<freemangordon_>
no worries, I did what needed to be done in some 30 minutes
<freemangordon_>
so not much of a problem
<freemangordon_>
jonwil: BTW there is one function in music you put assert(0) in. why?
<jonwil>
read the comments
<jonwil>
Both functions (get_max_input_volume and sink_input_pop_cb) are incorrect or possibly incorrect
<jonwil>
and should be reverse engineered from Fremantle
<jonwil>
i.e. I want you to do them
<jonwil>
the comments in the source give you the addresses
<jonwil>
The first time you tell me I should have added asserts and now you are complaining about the asserts... :)
<freemangordon_>
yep, I saw those, but I was wondering why you want me to RE those. no VFP/NEON stuff in there
<freemangordon_>
no, the assert is perfectly fine
<freemangordon_>
:)
<freemangordon_>
I was wondering what is the problem with those functions so you left them unimplemented
<jonwil>
the problem is simply that I wasn't able to clone them and want your help
<freemangordon_>
ok
<jonwil>
one I couldn't clone at all and the other needs to be verified
<freemangordon_>
ok, will take care when it comes to it
<jonwil>
ok
<freemangordon_>
jusa_: do I get it right that EAP uses some algo to do FP math by using integers? if that's the case, could you disclose what algo is that? is it publicly available?
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<jonwil>
So not looking forward to -voice :(
<jonwil>
but right now I am busy doing stuff for my big non-computer hobby, building with LEGO :)
<jonwil>
Local LEGO club is having a meeting on the 8th of November and I have a project I want to finish before then :)
<jonwil>
so no I wont be able to do any significant work on pulseaudio for the next week or so
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<wpwrak>
btw, does anyone have an idea how to make those old/new rulers a bit nicer ? e.g., OLD----NEW, but with the bottom of "OLD" aligned with the bottom of the line, the top of "NEW" aligned with the top of the line, and the line expanding to the size of the box minus the width of "OLD" and "NEW" ?
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<wpwrak>
i searches a bit on stackexchange and friends and have now seen all there is to see about having text between lines, but there's scarcely anything about a line between text :-(
<obsed>
maemo rocks
<DocScrutinizer05>
background note: >>The service lets Apple devices wirelessly communicate with point of sale systems using a near field communication (NFC) antenna, a "dedicated chip that stores encrypted payment information" (known as the Secure Element), and Apple's Touch ID and Passbook<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Pay
<DocScrutinizer05>
of course *apple* will use embedded SE, just like they are switching to embedded SIM
<wpwrak>
that's apparently the general trend. phone makers can control their embedded SEs. network operators control the SEs in their UICCs. so it's pretty clear along which lines this fight over control will develop :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
but once apple pay gains momentum and wide acceptance, you won't have to wait long until other alternative similar providers (if not even apple pay themselves) offer a similar or even compatible service for devices with SE on SIM
<DocScrutinizer05>
network operators are not genuinely interested in control over UUIS/SIM, it's rather a needed evil for them. I bet they happily adopt OTA provision of credentials to whatever approved&certified SE aka "SIM" they can easily connect to
<DocScrutinizer05>
UUIC*
<DocScrutinizer05>
UICC whatever meh
<DocScrutinizer05>
good mooooorning
<DocScrutinizer05>
;-)
<obsed>
i wonder how to prevent remote updates to a sim
<DocScrutinizer05>
LOL! >>By default, Apple Pay is disabled, and the owner must enter a code to enable Apple Pay after putting on the watch. The watch's sensors will then ensure that it is still being worn by its owner. If the watch is removed at any point, then Apple Pay is disabled again.<<
<mvaenskae>
DocScrutinizer05: that's an expensive credit card
<mvaenskae>
i think even a platinum is cheaper on yearly costs :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
obsed: you hardly can, probably. Though remote update is via SMS and our modem allows some fine grained ahndling options for SMS - dunno if that prevents SIM update though
<obsed>
DocScrutinizer05: hmmm yeah i will read more about this, to try and understand more about how it works
<mvaenskae>
DocScrutinizer05: erm... can we have an inbuilt phone jammer on the neo900?
<mvaenskae>
would jam the neo900's signal, no more connection to the mothership :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
mvaenskae: sure we *can*. But we won't
<wpwrak>
MonkeyofDoom: hmm, still mutiple lines. meanwhile, i found a combination that may do the trick: http://jsfiddle.net/nwb0682m/
<DocScrutinizer05>
and your rationale is irrational
<wpwrak>
the vertical-align: -50% is still ugly, though
<DocScrutinizer05>
why T F woukd a phone need to jam itself?
<DocScrutinizer05>
you simply go AT+CFUN=0 and that's all it needs
<MonkeyofDoom>
wpwrak: html/css is hell
<wpwrak>
(pay-watch) actually makes sense: 1) that's one of the few things where a watch does seem to offer an advantage over just doing it in the phone, and 2) logout on removal sounds like a very good idea
<MonkeyofDoom>
display:table to the rescue :D
<DocScrutinizer05>
and when the firmware in modem would dare to disobey AT+CFUN=0 we _will_ imstantly notice that thanks to our unique sandboxing and monitoring concept, and we will visit Cinterion headquarters
<wpwrak>
MonkeyofDoom: it's magic. if you find the right spell, it works effortlessly. but there's no logic to the spells ...
<MonkeyofDoom>
yeah
<obsed>
DocScrutinizer05: yeah i think there was some part of the software stack that could decide not to pass along update sms's to the sim
<obsed>
so hopefully the OS vendor has some control there
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, you can select to either keep SMS on modem storage, or store to SIM, or instantly transfer to APE sync
<DocScrutinizer05>
dunno if that prevents modem to do analysis of SMS content/rype and nevertheless forward special SMS to SIM directly
<obsed>
DocScrutinizer05: I'm guessing APE sync is sending it to the OS sim storage ?
<obsed>
yeah im not sure about that either, if there are "special" sms's the modem will directly send to the sim :/
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's talking to APE / linux via standard AT commands and unsolicited response codes
<obsed>
ahh cool
<DocScrutinizer05>
basically the SMS only gets acjnowledged to network as received after APE accepted the transfer IIRC
<DocScrutinizer05>
in that mode
<DocScrutinizer05>
which puts some pressure on response time of APE
<obsed>
interesting stuff!
<DocScrutinizer05>
the other modes are meant to have SMS received "async" and APE eventually polls them, possibly hours later
<obsed>
maybe i'll order a neo900 without a modem or any cellular capabilities hehe
<obsed>
that should stop cellular access :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
you're free to do that
<obsed>
sweet !
<obsed>
and then just use like a pocket mifi and voip or something
<obsed>
or wifi hotspots
<DocScrutinizer05>
np, perfectly feasible
<obsed>
sounds awesome -)
<DocScrutinizer05>
you even can contact spacefalkon and try to get a calypso based P0S8 mockup from him ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
should fit on PHS8 footprint, both electrically and by dimensions - if done smart
<obsed>
sounds good
<DocScrutinizer05>
USB can talk serial aka UART which should be just fine for calypso
<DocScrutinizer05>
and we even might provide a aux UART interface to PHS8
<DocScrutinizer05>
which of course should work even better for calypso
<DocScrutinizer05>
the rest of signals is a nobrainer
<DocScrutinizer05>
you'll need a good hotair+IR reflow rework station to solder the new module
<DocScrutinizer05>
or spacefalcon does that for you (or some harhan he mentioned in a mail to me)
<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry we can't give 100% of modem cost as rebate to you, if you do. We need some of the cost for special processing of your device
<obsed>
yeah thats cool, i'd expect to pay some extra for non-standard processing
<wpwrak>
MonkeyofDoom: hmm, works in chromium, firefox, rekonq, but not in konqueror :-(
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<obsed>
heck.. i'd probably pay extra for one where "the network cable is unplugged" so to speak, regarding cellular hehe
<wpwrak>
obsed: are you concerned about compromised modem firmware, compromised host software, or both ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
have him greeted from me when you contact him ;-D
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, please note that Neo900 has a built-in "unplug option"
<obsed>
wpwrak: yeah mainly the black box baseband/modem side
<DocScrutinizer05>
nobody forcing you to ever "plug in" the modem
<obsed>
ah yes thats right, with the Neo900 when we switch off the modem, we can be sure its off =)
<wpwrak>
so maybe no extra hw mod needed then :)
<obsed>
true that, i mean, no one else has designed a phone with as much proper blackbox isolation as Neo900
<wpwrak>
we could have an unpopulated footprint for permanently commanding the power switch to "off". for the seriously paranoid ;-)
<obsed>
yeah you can count me as seriously paranoid
<obsed>
im so paranoid.. i'll order two Neo900's, one as a WiFi hotspot with cellular, no mic, everything else removed. the other with no cellular and voip over the first ones hotspot ... to isolate;p
<obsed>
pretty clear then tho, that theres no cellular backdoor into the second neo900, as it doesnt even contain cellular hardware
<wpwrak>
you must have made powerful enemies ;-) btw, since the modem has no direct access to a microphone (unless they put one inside the module), you could just not pass audio to it.
<wpwrak>
(inside the module) i suppose the sooner or the later we'll have modules we have to throw away. we could dissect one to show what's creeping and crawling on the inside
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<DocScrutinizer05>
will do
<DocScrutinizer05>
just for best üractice, though it's not _rally_ proving anything. You can even use a standard capacitor as microphone
<DocScrutinizer05>
just for best practice, though it's not _really_ proving anything. You can even use a standard capacitor as microphone
<mvaenskae>
DocScrutinizer05: about 40 minutes you mentioned another modem as alternative?
<mvaenskae>
*40 minutes ago
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<DocScrutinizer05>
no, I mentioned a fanatic trying to build hw from a 15 year old chip
<DocScrutinizer05>
To:Neo900 core development team <neo900-devel@goldelico.com>
<DocScrutinizer05>
Date:2014-07-02 Wed 11:46
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<DocScrutinizer05>
>> If you use GSM/GPS the power saving by UART is neglectable. It might have an influence during suspend (if USB doesn't suspend well enough).<< (Nik about USB on modem) alas he still seems to think we could get away with the GTA02 concept of suspend to RAM for "locked" device. We won't. When the device is connected to internet via GPRS/UMTS then you have to prepare for seeing one transmission of a few bytes per second, which obviously
<DocScrutinizer05>
completely forbids such suspend-to-ram concept
<DocScrutinizer05>
and even USB suspend only works when a) it wirks (sounds funny but I heard sth about OMAP MUSB not knowing about proper OTG suspend) and B) there's no new ENUM needed or other huge latency in resuming
<DocScrutinizer05>
ooops echan
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<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: so .. is there a conclusion from this ? sounds like radio eriwan :)
<jonwil>
fremangordon: ping
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<jdb3>
I was directed here by Sebastian Krzyszkowiak ( from the community mailing list ) so that I could contact Joerg Hans-Georg Reisenweber concerning recurring donations ( to reisenweber at gmx dot net )
<Wizzup>
welcome
<jdb3>
Thank you, and hello as well :)
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<jdb3>
I've had a recurring monthly donation since June of this year going to PayPal ( to reisenweber at gmx dot net ) but since Joerg has stepped down from the Maemo Community Council, I was told that I'd have to come here in order to get in touch with him ( my e-mails to joerg@neo900.org receive no replies ).
<Wizzup>
I think you want to talk with DocScrutinizer05
<jdb3>
Is that his nick?
<jdb3>
I mean, Joerg's nick?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes
<jdb3>
Thank you :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
is those 1.50/mo you?
<jdb3>
Yes :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm not happy with it
<jdb3>
?
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's my private PP account and I'm not doing any donation collection for maemo anymore
<DocScrutinizer05>
I know there's currently no other way to donate to maemo, but that's Hildon Foundation problem
<DocScrutinizer05>
I received too much bashing for helping with all this. I made sure I won't get bothered by it anymore
<jdb3>
Ok, but it was posted to talk.maemo.org and I donated $8 at first and then set a recurring monthly donation of about $3 -- I think your PayPal address has been removed from the talk.maemo.org because if one follows the chain of links starting here : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88222 I can no longer find the address
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's on pirpose
<DocScrutinizer05>
purpose even
<jdb3>
I mean in no way to put stress on you -- I was just trying to chip in my small amount
<DocScrutinizer05>
much appreciated by me and some of the former council folks. Not so much by current council and particularly HiFo and MCeV, it seems
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway I'd be grateful if you would cancel this donation
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<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe there's a better way to donate to maemo now, I dunno
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'll see if I can make PP return the payments to sender
<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry
<jdb3>
Well, if there is any way you can get the money to Maemo/Hildon, that would be fine.
<DocScrutinizer05>
there is no way. And there's also no plans to get into contact with those guys again
<jdb3>
ok
<jdb3>
I initially tried to donate directly to the Hildon foundation, but they had no donation link
<jdb3>
then I found your post in talk.maemo.org
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<jdb3>
I guess there has been some type of falling out with the Maemo/Hildon foundation? :/
<jdb3>
well, if worst comes to worst, then you can just buy yourself a few beers or whatever -- it's only about $20 in total
<DocScrutinizer05>
your donation to neo900 is completely unrelated to maemo and shouldn't even have been mentioned on maemo ML. Anyway it's most probably arrived, and you either received a confirmation mail that went to your spam folder when donation been >6 weeks ago, or your confirmation mail is pending when donation is newer. Unless it's also been PP for which PP sends a transfer confirmation and so we don't send a second one
<DocScrutinizer05>
no, I definitely will pay back this to you, particularly after your mentioning of Neo900 on maemo ML
<DocScrutinizer05>
I don't like the wway this sounds and looks
<jdb3>
I'm sorry if I upset you. :/
<DocScrutinizer05>
not upset, just fed trolls with new food to call me names
<jdb3>
You do mean the openpheonux mailing list right?
<jdb3>
yeah, the trolls -- tell me about it.
<DocScrutinizer05>
ooh it's openphoenux
<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I thought it's maemo ML
<jdb3>
i mean openphoenux
<jdb3>
no, it's OpenPhoenux Community <community@openphoenux.org>
<jdb3>
There's a maemo ML? I only know of the forums
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think there is
<DocScrutinizer05>
maemo-community@maemo.org
<jdb3>
I mean to say, I know there are many dozens of project specific Maemo mailing lists ( http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_mailing_lists ), but I didn't know that there was any general or "main" Maemo list
<jdb3>
oh
<jdb3>
Thank you :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
yw
<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry for delay in confirmation mail, and sorry for the trouble with recurring maemo donations
<DocScrutinizer05>
I admit the 1.50 always made me thingk "I'll handle that tomorrow"
<jdb3>
no, don't worry about it. I guess I'm kind of clueless -- I should have asked first
<DocScrutinizer05>
sloppy management, again sorry for that
<DocScrutinizer05>
(actually I'm also not really using my private PP account anymore, since ~2 years)
<DocScrutinizer05>
so it's easy to forget some stuff pending to get handled there
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<jdb3>
You said something about the neo900 donaion confirmation e-mail going into my spam/trash folder? I've been checking that folder every day but haven't found anything but spam. My final donation to the Neo900 project was on Oct 9th, this year where I notified donation@neo900.org and also CCed you.
<jdb3>
You said something about the neo900 donation confirmation e-mail going into my spam/trash folder? I've been checking that folder every day but haven't found anything but spam. My final donation to the Neo900 project was on Oct 9th, this year where I notified donation@neo900.org and also CCed you.
<jdb3>
Sebastian said they send confirmaion e-mails out in batches, so one will probably arrive next month.
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think Sebastian already answered that
<jdb3>
Yes, but since I had multiple donations that added up to >100 euros, it's a little tricky.
<jdb3>
Anyway, I guess I should cancel the recurring donation?
<DocScrutinizer05>
we're generally not supporting this sort of donation concatenation
<DocScrutinizer05>
we did for you, in this particular single case
<jdb3>
Well, I thank you for doing that. :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, please cancel that donation
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's mostly a waste of money to pay PP fees
<jdb3>
I'll go ahead and cancel the recurring donation. I guess there's no way to donate to the Hildon Foundation?
<DocScrutinizer05>
and I'm not accepting any more maemo donations
<DocScrutinizer05>
I don't know what's status of HiFo account
<jdb3>
I'll go ahead and cancel the recurring donation. I guess there's no way to donate to the Hildon Foundation?
<DocScrutinizer05>
I don't know what's status of HiFo account
<jdb3>
sorry, accidentally pressed enter
<Oksana>
Apple Watch : wear it in Sun, rain, snow, mud and other places, or your payment system will require a terrible code again (and of course, this code is long and cannot be modified by user to be easier to remember?). Since the watch has heart rate sensor, thief will not be able, as somebody put it, 'chop your hand off' to use the iWatch; the iWatch will notice that the hand is no longer alive....
<Oksana>
...But there are ways of hacking wireless devices remotely... without taking them off user's hand.
<jdb3>
Well, I just cancelled the recurring donation, according to PayPal at least : "This profile has been canceled and cannot be reactivated. No more recurring payments will be made."
<DocScrutinizer05>
can't find out about PP fees for June anymore
<DocScrutinizer05>
thanks to shitty PP
<DocScrutinizer05>
~7.32 + 4*1.50 - 5*0.41
<infobot>
11.27
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<DocScrutinizer05>
HAHA PP is great!! When I "return payment" they tell me: "seller pays back: 1.44, PP pays back 0.06 fees". However in my account balance the original transaction shows up as Gesamtbetrag:€1,50 EUR Gebühr: -€0,41 EUR Nettobetrag: €1,09 EUR
<jdb3>
I just confirmed 2 refunds
<DocScrutinizer05>
~11.27 - 2*1.44
<infobot>
8.39
<jdb3>
Well, refund what you can -- the exact amount doesn't matter. If you have to take a substantial debit to your PayPal funds, then just keep the remainder.
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<jdb3>
I'll be leaving now -- you have my e-mail address. Thank you for the help.
<DocScrutinizer05>
done. Thanks for your support and sorry for the hassle with maemo
<jdb3>
Ok. Thak you.
<DocScrutinizer05>
ok, now back to real work
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<DocScrutinizer05>
sigh
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<Oksana>
Good morning! What can be done to help? Is there a list of chips that will not be available in 2015?
<Oksana>
What do you think of stereo photography and 3D screen? Would it be nice for Step2, or better to leave this to Fujifilm ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
sure, eg the SFH7741
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<Oksana>
Thanks! Now I see where Digikey tells end-of-life
<Oksana>
Would it be welcome if such details were stocked by Neo900 in large quantities, i.e. for possibly second batch of Neo900 devices?
<Oksana>
For example, I could possibly order 500 of SFH7741 to Neo900 address, just in case there arrives a large wave of late customers asking for second batch of Neo900 devices?
<Oksana>
No news from Gerry?
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<DocScrutinizer05>
no
<Oksana>
Insane idea ? :)
<Oksana>
Who should write complaint-question to Gerry, me, you, or both?
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm happy with you writing that first. Please keep in mind *I* got the invoice addressed at you, stating "9 items" 181,10
<DocScrutinizer05>
we're still evaluating if we want SFH7741 or go for a new part
<Oksana>
SFH7741 : Ok
<DocScrutinizer05>
Rchnung I Nr RE1502938
<Oksana>
I am asking that question because you mentioned you had ordered from Gerry, too; my order is partially delivered (8 out of 20, right? was a long time ago) and your was not delivered at all?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep
<DocScrutinizer05>
afk
<Oksana>
These notes are helpful. TQM640002. Note: EOL, last buy 2015-03-10 !
<Oksana>
GPS LNA-Filter Receive Module ^
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<Oksana>
SIM card access switch? NFC kill RF switch? Pressure sensor BMP180 was discontinued by Digikey!!! Gyroscope BMG160 was discontinued by Digikey!!! Magnetic sensor BMC150 was discontinued by Digikey!!!
<wpwrak>
hmm, more EOLs ? the block diagram already seems to be paying back ... in unexpected ways :)
<Oksana>
I am just hunting for buy-urgently chips :)
<wpwrak>
the bosch stuff seems to be okay. mouser still have them. lemme check at bosch ...
<Oksana>
And finding that we can hardly 'keep same' Pressure-Gyroscope-Magnetic sensors, since they are apparently discontinued by Digikey.
<Oksana>
Well, they do have limited quantity available... How limited?
<Oksana>
BMP180 : 0. BMC150: 17158. BMG160 : 7299. Pressure sensor is the only one truly unavailable.
<wpwrak>
BMC150 has its data sheet updates just a few months ago. no EOL indication whatsoever at bosch-sensortec. let's check the others, just in case
<Oksana>
Digikey is strange?
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<wpwrak>
naw, they're probably just removing some things that have little demand from their inventory
<Oksana>
So is there a way to order BMP180 , if it has '0' Quantity available on Digikey ? A different source?
<wpwrak>
if you want more than they have, they'll order from the manufacturer. but that can take a while. usually 1-3 months
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<Oksana>
But it is both Discontinued and Non-stock ?
<Oksana>
By the way, html hyperlink to microphone SPK0415HM4H-B is 'broken'
<Oksana>
I think I visited all Mouser/Digikey links, and checked them for EOL. I am not sure. Remind me to look again when there is less '???' and red in the schematics :)
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: funny package ;-)
<Oksana>
TMD2671 : TMD26711 or TMD26713 ? Difference?
<wpwrak>
and the guys at ams are *really* busy. lately, i'm seeing almost as many chips from them as from ti ...
<DocScrutinizer05>
TMD26713
<DocScrutinizer05>
I2C Vbus = 1.8 V Interface
<Oksana>
Maybe, I could order a thousand of LP55231SQE/NOPB to Neo900 address?
<wpwrak>
(i2c 1.8 V)subtle :)
<wpwrak>
Oksana: thanks for checking the links !
<Oksana>
No problem :)
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: what do it do with the TMD26713 ? list is as another option, kick out the SFH7741 and put the TMD26713 there ? do nothing for now and wait ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
kick
<DocScrutinizer05>
SFH nogo
<DocScrutinizer05>
o/
<Oksana>
So, if the product is discontinued at Digikey and Quantity available is 0, does it mean that another source for Pressure sensor is needed? Or will Digikey order the chips needed from the manufacturer, despite having it Discontinued at Digikey?
<wpwrak>
for stylus, i still say that it's "tentative" ? or is it now firm (well, as firm as anything is)
<DocScrutinizer05>
we'll use one sensor for both
<DocScrutinizer05>
which means we need to check two I2C addr ranges
<DocScrutinizer05>
0x39
<DocScrutinizer05>
luckily that sensor feels fine on standard 100kHz I2C
<wpwrak>
Oksana: if they still let you order it, they will (try to) get it for you. you can try this: go to a page where the stock is 0, then enter a number in the "enter quantity requested" field. then it'll tell you how long you have to wait.
<Oksana>
It's not a field.
<Oksana>
It's 0 as plain text, not as number in text field.
<Oksana>
Report an Error, Search Again... No order.
<Oksana>
wpwrak: ^
<wpwrak>
Oksana: that means that they really don't want you to order it. well, you could still call them (send a mail) and ask. their customer support is friendly and efficient.
<Oksana>
Live Chat... Sounds interesting.
<Oksana>
Sales support...
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<Oksana>
One moment I am sorry, this part can no longer be ordered. This supplier is no longer carried by Digi-Key. Would you like to chat with a technician for a cross?