02:59 <wpwrak> freemangordon: quick question: how many people would you say are roughly "regular contributors" to fremantle, for technical stuff ? (kernel, user space, distribution, etc., not counting, say, tmo admins or such)

04:50 <freemangordon> wpwrak: 3-5, including me

04:52 <DocScrutinizer05> well, as long as user space doesn't include the apps

04:52 <freemangordon> sure, but userspace is not fremantle-specific, usually

04:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yep

04:53 <DocScrutinizer05> actually the question is "what is the question?" ;-)

04:53 <freemangordon> :)

04:53 <DocScrutinizer05> fremantle is "mature" so not that many contributors needed

04:54 <freemangordon> well, not exactly, if we want it to evolve

04:54 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, but that's not a mandatory requirement for e.g. Neo900

04:55 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a desirable goal for fremantle at large

04:55 <freemangordon> I am not sure, as it will require an updated kernel

04:55 <freemangordon> neo900 that is

04:56 <DocScrutinizer05> why?

04:57 <freemangordon> because of the soc

04:57 <DocScrutinizer05> the soc is, well, 100% compatible

04:58 <freemangordon> well, not really, for example DVFS won't work as it should, iirc 2630 supports only 3 frequencies

04:58 <freemangordon> *3630

04:58 <DocScrutinizer05> umm

04:59 <DocScrutinizer05> it's sort of a pity that I don't have a N9 anymore

05:07 <DocScrutinizer05> wait, I got a N950

05:07 <DocScrutinizer05> however even that has a "proprietary Nokia kernel"

05:08 <DocScrutinizer05> not really a proof if the SoC can handle the clock frequencies as a 3430

05:09 <freemangordon> it can, but there are no OPPs defined

05:10 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm yeah, they are probably scaled up according to the 1GHz max frequency

05:10 <DocScrutinizer05> all OMAPs have only 5 OPPs iirc

05:19 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: 4 OPPs - 300, 600, 800, 1000

05:19 <DocScrutinizer05> the interesting question is: where from does N900 kernel get its OPP frequencies?

05:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ATAG?

05:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and would a powerkernel not be adaptable to the frequencies of 3630, even when we don't use a new kernel?

05:23 <DocScrutinizer05> when OC works on N900's 3430, it should work on a 3630 as well, no?

05:25 <freemangordon> in powerkernel OPPS are hardcoded

05:25 <DocScrutinizer05> thought as much

05:26 <DocScrutinizer05> so yes, we need a 'new' kernel, but that can be an old kernel as well

05:26 <DocScrutinizer05> a new kernel (like 4.5) is desirable for sure, but it is not mission critical

05:27 <freemangordon> you can try to boot PK on BB-xm

05:27 <DocScrutinizer05> yep

05:27 <freemangordon> however, /me has to run, bbl

05:27 <DocScrutinizer05> cya, thanks!

05:28 <DocScrutinizer05> have a nice day

10:13 <wpwrak> freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05: aah, i think i have a usable answer then. "system without apps". thanks !

17:58 <hellekin> Paul Schmidt anticipated my call to the community for sourcing N900 phones. Anyway, I wanted to ask you about this topic.

20:12 <wpwrak> hellekin: i think we need to be clear about the distinction between "used" and "refurbished". as far as a i know, we don't have refurbishing capabilities (i.e., people who clean, examine, test, and whatever else gets done in the process), and it may be non-trivial to acquire them.

20:13 <wpwrak> hellekin: well, "used" is a superset of "refurbished", so a "used" device may very well be a "refurb", but if not explicitly stated, it may not

20:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ah, thanks werner

20:14 <wpwrak> besides that, it sounds as if it can't hurt to explore that direction

20:14 <DocScrutinizer05> hellekin: as a general rule we usually don't discuss strictly business stuff in public

20:15 <DocScrutinizer05> it can have negative impact on the business itself

20:15 <wpwrak> and preferably not mention names, unless the person has agreed to be mentioned in public :)

20:15 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, that too

20:15 <hellekin> duh I thought I was on another channel

20:15 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)

20:16 <hellekin> autocompletion fail

20:16 <wpwrak> machine scores another victory over man