<DocScrutinizer05>
FIQ: how would it be relevant? what does it say? Would it put us on peril of further doom even when we don't use paypal anymore, or would it make us reconsider to even use PP again (unlikely)?
<FIQ>
DocScrutinizer05: it just says that you are not allowed to discourage paypal use
<FIQ>
also I thought you still had paypal as an option, and just d iscouraged it
<DocScrutinizer05>
FIQ: nope, we can't use PP anymore, any payment to PP would start another 6 months of mindkilling fights with them to get the money back from them
<DocScrutinizer05>
so we don't offer PP payments anymore
<FIQ>
pl
<FIQ>
ok
<DocScrutinizer05>
the last episode almost killed the prohect by delays from lack of liquidity, and it costs us several 1000s of EUR for lawyers and whatnot
<Defiant>
I like paying with paypal. Don't have to type an iban that way
<galiven_>
You like paying with PayPal, but the people actually doing the work like getting paid so they can continue, and PayPal doesn't do that.
<DocScrutinizer05>
well put
<Defiant>
as a user I actually don't care. Just give easy paying option. iban is not one of them
<galiven_>
As a user you don't care if the project gets done?
<DocScrutinizer05>
erik@x4e367adb.dyn.telefonica.de - you say IBAN is no feasible payment method for you?
<galiven_>
PayPal is just as good as putting the money in an envelope on your shelf and claiming it's for the project.
<Defiant>
DocScrutinizer05: something is wrong with your irc client. For some reason it picked the uhost
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2016-08-17 Wed 21:03:45] [Whois] Defiant is erik@x4e367adb.dyn.telefonica.de (Erik Andresen)
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2016-08-17 Wed 21:03:45] [Whois] Defiant is a user on channels: #devuan #maemo #neo900
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2016-08-17 Wed 21:03:45] [Whois] Defiant is online via card.freenode.net (Washington, DC, USA).
<Defiant>
DocScrutinizer05: IBAN is too dangerous for me. too many numbers, too easy to make mistakes
<Defiant>
DocScrutinizer05: you might want to check with your bank if the checksum is actually used.
<galiven_>
If it's too difficult then just go buy an locked-in spying phone from your local shop and get on with your life.
<Defiant>
Actually you might don't want to
<DocScrutinizer05>
>>The IBAN consists of up to 34 alphanumeric characters comprising: a country code; two check digits; and a number that includes the domestic bank account number, branch identifier, and potential routing information.<<
<galiven_>
No need to complain to people that are actually trying to do a lot of work to make a better device that respects your freedom if convenience is more important to you.
<DocScrutinizer05>
the check digits are not used by receiver's bank, they are supposed to get used in every sender's bank's user infterface, whatever it is (phone banking, paper order, online banking)
<DocScrutinizer05>
My bank (DeutscheBank) *is* using them in the way defined in ISO 13616:2007 et al, evidently. Since last week I copy&pasted a IBAM that been truncated by one digit and it got rejected
<DocScrutinizer05>
IBAN even
<DocScrutinizer05>
those check digits been one of the reasons the whole banking system is more and more migrating to using IBAN instead of BIC+Accountnumber
<DocScrutinizer05>
ISO 13616:2007 et al also specify that IBAN for human use is supposed to be listed in triplets separated by spaces, to increase usability. The spaces are irrelevant for IBAN validity though
<DocScrutinizer05>
oops quatruplets
<DocScrutinizer05>
my online banking interface sucks a bit regarding this since the IBAN I c&p'ed had *multiple* spaces as separators between the groups of 4 chars/digits and thus the input field had an overflow on length and truncated a gigit or two from the end
<DocScrutinizer05>
however it rejected that tzruncated IBAN because checksum been incorrect
<DocScrutinizer05>
so I honestly can't see how IBAN would be less safe than e.g. PayPal email address for receiver identification
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<DocScrutinizer05>
when you're ordering, our system sends out an email with a proforma invoice and bank account details incl the IBAN, which you either c&p from that email to your online banking, or you print out the email and hand it to your bank's service clerk to fill the money transfer form for you
<DocScrutinizer05>
my online banking even allows drag&drop the proforma invoice pdf and it will filter out the IBAN automatically and fill it in to the transfer form
<DocScrutinizer05>
if you know of any other more convenient payment method we may offer (that does _not_ kill us by simply freezing payments for 6+ months, or by not even guaranteeing that the complete instructed amount arrives here), we'd much appreciate to hear of it and implement it