00:16 <brolin_empey> A (mobile) telephone with an HDD could literally be a SMARTphone, though.

00:18 <DocScrutinizer05> what do you think of retinking the concept of "smartphone" completely?

00:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I think I elaborated on it a few weeks ago

00:20 <DocScrutinizer05> brolin_empey: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_neo900/_neo900.2018-10-28.log.html#t2018-10-28T19:06:32

00:21 <DocScrutinizer05> a pity nobody answered or even just commented on this

00:25 <DocScrutinizer05> TL;DR: you carry the battery and modem(mainboard block in your jacket pocket, you have a BT in-ear headset and you look at the smartwatch and control the device with either the watch's touchscreen or gestures or voice via the headset

00:27 <pigeons> yeah i like that direction. I don't know if will be a mass preference or not. But this project isn't focusing on preferences of the masses

00:27 <DocScrutinizer05> for games you either connect the mainboard block (MBB) to a nearby TV with a HDMI cable or by WLAN, or you use a VR goggles, or a dedicated Neo display block

00:27 <brolin_empey> I do not wear anything on my wrists/hands/fingers. The handheld computer I carry in my pants pocket is my watch.

00:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, so how about a "Neo Classic handset" that has display and hw T9 keyboard and audio, with formfactor of a clamshell or candybar featurephone?

00:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ultraqsmall since it doesn't need modem or antenna or any large battery

00:30 <DocScrutinizer05> could be the size of a credit card with a 5mm thickness

00:31 <DocScrutinizer05> e-paper display if we like

00:33 <DocScrutinizer05> brolin_empey: as I elaborated in ^^^ URL, we need a new concept as the original Neo900 approach is almost unfeasible meanwhile, and not attractive either

00:34 <DocScrutinizer05> for sure we need such a concept for a successor device (STEP2) no matter if we can and will build Neo900 or not

00:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~step2

00:34 <infobot> i guess step2 is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1444602, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1444625

00:36 <DocScrutinizer05> I also think the classical voice call is 'not fashionable' anymore. Seems people more and more do text, in whatsapp, facebook, twitter etc. Even phonecalls are done using those apps

00:38 <DocScrutinizer05> not saying we should ignore and not support classical carrier switched voicecalls, but the focus seems to have shifted quite a bit

00:39 <DocScrutinizer05> probably the mainstream (I beg I won't be part of it) will rather go "OK Google, tell my wife I'll be 30 minutes late for dinner"

00:41 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: I redd your referenced channel log. It is interesting.

00:45 <DocScrutinizer05> brolin_empey: thanks

00:49 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: I got the impression that you are not married but I do not know if I actually have anything real to suggest that.

00:49 <DocScrutinizer05> brolin_empey: one component I forgot to list: docking station: plug in the MBB and have it connected to a classical kb+mouse+monitor+audio+network seat, or alternatively acting as cnetral media player for your home

00:49 <DocScrutinizer05> brolin_empey: ((married, suggest)) hmmm?

00:50 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: I meant that I thought you are not married to another person but I do not know if I have anything specific to suggest that you are not married to another person.

00:52 <DocScrutinizer05> is there a particular reason you're asking(?) that?

00:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, "tell my wife"

00:53 <DocScrutinizer05> not married, GF

00:54 <DocScrutinizer05> or part-time single, thanks to this project :-/

00:55 <Oksana> Problem with voice calls is, they often have to be done outside of ear shot of other people, and in a relatively quiet place. Bus/car/train, or an open office space, or a library, don't work well with phone calls.

00:58 <brolin_empey> Oksana: Yes unless you and the other party can speak a language that no one else who can hear you can understand. ;-)

00:58 <DocScrutinizer05> or you do like that woman I seen this afternoon: standing on the pavement, staring at a virtual horizon and shouting "yeah, it already depressed me this morning when he said he'll be late tonight, but that's what it always is now [...] Yeah you're right, this is one of the point... (etc)"

00:59 <Oksana> Bad microphone? ;-) And yes, phone calls are best made when walking outdoors - unless traffic is too noisy.

00:59 <DocScrutinizer05> 20 years ago the paramedics had fetched her, offering her a nice comfortable jacket. Nowadays it's obviously a normal way top have a phonecall with your phone in handsfree mode in front of your belly

01:00 <DocScrutinizer05> afk

01:01 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: you should either linger in channels or check chanlogs, when you post questions ;-D

01:08 <Oksana> Doesn't matter much whether they can understand. Part of point is, not distracting other people who can complain about noisy phone calls. Another part of point is, having a clear phone call without ambient noise making it difficult to hear each other.

05:49 <brolin_empey> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k1QLeojZ1f0/W-pkJN7l-TI/AAAAAAAABaw/SVb26l6Y8uwRe0KZVKfOfkZr_xK4NhJXwCL0BGAYYCw/h1536/7198985352555491780%253Faccount_id%253D7

05:49 <brolin_empey> Still no success with USB↔Ethernet adapter on the stock but rooted Android OS 4.4 on brolin-GalaxyNote3. ☹