<enyc>
Joerg-Neo900: good these alternatives are coming-t-obe but I still want to see neo900 !
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<Joerg-Neo900>
well, I invested like 5 years of my life into it, incl proper income to take care for my retirement which I hoped to compensate for when Neo900 succeeds. Believe me there's hardly anybody wanting it more to see Neo900 succeed than me
<Joerg-Neo900>
alas I have to say a concept rots over the years. There are a few flaws in Neo900 concept now: weak obsolete CPU, unavailable mech parts aka case, form factor not competitive anymore
<Joerg-Neo900>
I started STEP2 at beginning of year, based on MX.6 and with competitive form factor, with support by VC, and the idea was to offer all Neo900 customers either an upgrade (while still eventually creating the original Neo900 for the "we did it" and handing it out on top as a bonus) . alas VC didn't perform as promised
<Joerg-Neo900>
either an upgrade... or refund
<Joerg-Neo900>
right now I have to say my / Neo900 UG's options are limited and we are in a standby mode, waiting for VC (or a miracle of 500 more preorders *at once*, plus a 500 N900 mech sets) to come in
<enyc>
okies
<enyc>
and how to publicise thises points, do the right things, ... ??
<Joerg-Neo900>
no idea, I'm sort of paralyzed, by health issues caused by the last 5 years
<Joerg-Neo900>
from burnout to bad teeth
<Joerg-Neo900>
plus a few other more complex things along immune system and cardio
<enyc>
o I know all about ocmplexity! been there done that
<enyc>
friends of bmine with complex issues too
<Joerg-Neo900>
one thing I learned: you can't live a 5 years from latte macchiato and sitting in front of PC 24h/d
<Joerg-Neo900>
Now I understood this, I'm trying to start to act accordingly
<Joerg-Neo900>
my VC partners were very excited about STEP2 and it's a pity our plans didn't pan out, but they told me the project is not cancelled but on hold, and I hope they find a way to realize what they planned so STEP2 could resume. Or maybe I can find new VC partners
<Joerg-Neo900>
or you find some
<Joerg-Neo900>
this is a community project still
<Joerg-Neo900>
except on the mere financial level where there exists no concept for community liability yet
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<brolin_empey>
Joerg-Neo900: VC as in venture capital?
<Joerg-Neo900>
yep
<brolin_empey>
What do you think of the Gemini from Planet Computer(s)?
<Joerg-Neo900>
never heard of
<sicelo>
\o
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* Kero
likes his Gemini PDA. keyboard like the psion 5, which is nice. Openness of mediatek chipset? non-existent.
<Kero>
made by Planet Computers, who is running the crowd funding campaign for the successor of the Gemini, the Cosmo (which I won't buy, Gemini works fine)
<Kero>
small company
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<ravelo>
Kero: does navigation work good enough? Gemini has no compass...
<ravelo>
I like to wait for Chen's device at the moment
<ravelo>
Will be released in Q1 2019 maybe, no crowd funding
<Joerg-Neo900>
what makes Neo900 unique?
<Joerg-Neo900>
1a) full documentation aka "Open Hardware" not in a "DIY" sense but in a "you own your device" sense. 1b) No tivoization aka "Open Hardware", in a "you may do with it whatever you want" sense 2) Resulting from 1a and 1b, you are free to run whatever OS you like on the hardware, just similar to the generic PC motherboard you buy from Asus or Intel or whomever you like. And the manufacturer (Neo900 UG) doesn't even make _any_ "proprietary"
<Joerg-Neo900>
software, neither OS nor any sort of appshop nor any blobs for device drivers (the latter maybe with one or two exceptions for the GPU and the WLAN/BT, though we try hard to use only hardware that has FOSS drivers available. or device doesn't need the blob driver to work)
<ravelo>
Of course Chen's planned device and Gemini PDA are usual Android phones with closed blobs
<Joerg-Neo900>
now, you may evaluate all the "alternatives" of allegedly "Open" phones out there and make up your mind if they are really Open
<Joerg-Neo900>
"Usual Android phones" are a zillion out there, since ages
<ravelo>
Sure
<ravelo>
This is for different use case
<ravelo>
Some people like to type fast also on mobile
<ravelo>
And don't care so much about the "Open" and "Security" aspect...
<ravelo>
The perfect device is not there yet
<ravelo>
But maybe approaching...
<ravelo>
So, I would still be very interested to reach the proto v1 status
<ravelo>
Of neo900
<ravelo>
I think Step 2 is way too high goal
<ravelo>
I just learned about the "minimal viable product"
<Joerg-Neo900>
you'd think there are a number of really huge companies providing products for this target group, and there's absolutely no point in trying to compete with them since they have less limitations on component/chip selection (from the 1a, 1b, above) so can build from cheaper components in a cheaper rpocess thanks to economy of scale
<ravelo>
My statement was just meant as a comment on the side talk about the Gemini pda
<Joerg-Neo900>
STEP2 is actually way simpler to build since, like everybody else finally found out they have to do, we chosen M.X6 SoC for it
<ravelo>
Oh?
<ravelo>
I did Not know that
<ravelo>
But what about the case?
<Joerg-Neo900>
make our own
<Joerg-Neo900>
way simpler
<ravelo>
Ouch
<Joerg-Neo900>
once we make our own case, we can use whatever display and digitizer we want
<ravelo>
Do you think you could avoid the troubles that happened with building the pyra case?
<Joerg-Neo900>
yes
<ravelo>
It looks for me like a very huge task
<Joerg-Neo900>
that's why it only flies with VC
<ravelo>
Hm
<Joerg-Neo900>
do you ask Purism if they think they can get a case made?
<Joerg-Neo900>
do you doubt they will succeed to do so?
<Joerg-Neo900>
why not?
<ravelo>
For the pyra it took i think 4 years to make an not fully perfect case
<Joerg-Neo900>
believe me, there's hardly anything as tough and daunting as successfully finalizing a severely underfunded project
<ravelo>
Sure
<ravelo>
I know very well
<Joerg-Neo900>
see why GolDeliCo HTA04 last run failed: no funds to run a evaluation production of a maybe 50 devices. Ridiculous for a serious business
<ravelo>
Yep
<Joerg-Neo900>
GTA04*
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<ravelo>
Yep sure, such risks are a common business topic
<ravelo>
Did you contact necunos about cooperation?
<ravelo>
They could need some advice
<ravelo>
They do not have a Sim slot
<ravelo>
E.g.
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<ravelo>
actually , No Modem i think...
<ravelo>
OK, sry, gotta get some sleep
<ravelo>
Good night
<Kero>
ravelo: GPS quality is distinctly worse then from my small Garmin hiking GPS. g'night.