11:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I finally come to the conclusion that it's totally pointless to try and develop and produce and sell hardware without a solid funding upfront

11:52 <norly> :(

11:53 <DocScrutinizer05> UMPH WHAT? >>The Cosmo is based on the powerful Mediatek P70 8-core processor plus separate GPU and AI processors.<<

11:53 <DocScrutinizer05> separate GPU ?

11:54 <DocScrutinizer05> AI processors? lol

11:54 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cosmo-communicator/payments/new#/checkout

11:55 <norly> they process your AI. it's like a food processor, but for AI

11:56 <DocScrutinizer05> can do this since >>This campaign has built only a working demo of their product, not the final product. Earlier this year, we successfully delivered our Gemini PDA product to more than 7000 Indiegogo backers<<

11:56 <norly> i'd like to know what they really are though

12:01 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL >>LTE World-wide modem (Cat.7 DL / Cat. 13 UL )<<

12:11 <DocScrutinizer05> where to find out *when* a campaign got started on indiegogo?

12:12 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe >>posted by Planet Computers Nov 5, 2018 • 7:09PM "Cosmo reaches Indiegogo funding goal in 4 hours!"<< ?

12:35 <DocScrutinizer05> (LTE) aaah yep >>The LTE final band list is not finalised and we will publish as soon as we have it. <<

14:12 <dos1> that Mediatek processor has LTE integrated AFAIK

14:12 <Joerg-Neo900> sure

14:12 <Joerg-Neo900> hard to find a SoC without, nowadays

14:14 <dos1> business idea: take SoCs and sell them as standalone LTE modules :v

14:19 <norly> dos1: we kinda joked about that a few days ago already... i think joerg suggested running such a SoC not only as a baseband, but as a full android phone inside a mobile computer

14:36 <DocScrutinizer51> witd display in a VNC window

14:37 <norly> though

14:37 <norly> we should probably have a SoC as baseband, then a SoC for android, then another SoC for the linux computer

14:38 <norly> so we're already at 3 SoCs

14:38 <DocScrutinizer51> wouldn't spend a soc for android

15:13 <Joerg-Neo900> fold-able displays - my dream comes true @ MWC

15:43 <hallyn> yeah those look nice

15:43 <hallyn> but where does my physical kbd go

15:44 <hallyn> on the back, as a two-handed backside kbd?

15:44 <hallyn> like the old twiddler?

15:45 <Joerg-Neo900> that's an orthogonal problem that actually doesn't change much from former/recent formfactor designs to future folded display

15:46 <Joerg-Neo900> right?

15:46 <Joerg-Neo900> I'm still deeply in love with properly integrated detachable slider kbd

17:21 <hallyn> would be tough to properly weight a 6" square (is that about what it is?) foldable device with detached slider kbd, i would think. but then, no way would ppl be willing to learn how to use a backside kbd,

17:22 <hallyn> i suppose it could detach when folded, and when unfolded you resign yourself to a bt kbd

18:03 <hallyn> easy to carry in pocket, yet useful display? phone display sizes are silly

18:16 <sicelo> oh well - i don't know much about hardware, but imo, anything that folds has inherent disadvantage of limited life. i guess i'm more inclined to trust a mechanical hinge instead of folding the screen itself

18:17 <Joerg-Neo900> hallyn: the "detachable" is meant for semi-persistent device configuration. For use slide out

18:19 <Joerg-Neo900> about mass balancing (without considering the yet new folded-display) I thought to detach the battery+camera layer from the sandwich, attach the slider-kbd (slide mech on upside of kbd) and re-attach the bat+cam layer to bottom of kbd

18:21 <Joerg-Neo900> for camera it might even have a 15mm wide "bar" that isn't "split" into layers and doesn't slide out with kbd or detach with battery layer