00:27 <Frederick> hi folks

00:29 <Smerdyakov> Are you a newbie?

00:32 <Frederick> Smerdyakov, in ocaml sure

00:32 <Smerdyakov> I wonder how I knew!

00:32 <Frederick> Smerdyakov, but I do remmember you from #haskell and #sml

00:36 <Frederick> Smerdyakov, do you know where I could find good non-english docs for occaml?

00:36 <Smerdyakov> Frederick, no, but I imagine French is easy to find!

00:37 <Smerdyakov> I know there is that book on OCaml in French.

00:37 <Frederick> Smerdyakov, Ive google for portuguese no luck =/

00:37 <Smerdyakov> Portuguese? I'd be surprised to find any.

00:37 <Smerdyakov> Most computer scientists know English well enough to read technical documentation.

00:38 <Frederick> Smerdyakov, it is for my cousin he is 11 years old :p

01:54 <benny> hey guys, this is probably a dumb question, but why why is ocaml better than haskell? one reason i can think of is maybe ocaml has a good library that you need that isn't available in haskell. another reason is that in ocaml you can write imperative style code when you need to for performance reasons. but these don't seem like big things compared to all the haskell features that ocaml doesn't have. what other advantages are there to ocaml?

01:57 <malc_> benny: ocaml compiles much faster

01:58 <benny> i guess that's good, but ghc haskell compiler also has an interpreter mode

01:59 <malc_> i said it compiles faster, that has nothing to do with having or lacking repl

02:00 <benny> ah, well my understanding is that in most cases where ocaml has a real performance advantage is when you code in an imperative style

02:00 <DeathWo1f> hum, how can one define a cross-linked type? ie type1 depends of type2, and type2 depends of type1

02:01 <malc_> DeathWo1f: you answered it yourself, you use and... type a = moo and b = A of a

02:02 <malc_> benny: erm, your originaly question wasn't at all about performance

02:03 <benny> yeah, i'm not really interested in performance... i'm interested more in language features

02:05 <malc_> you wan't a table with OCaml has feature X, Haskell feature Y?

02:06 <benny> yes :)

02:06 <Smerdyakov> benny, it's just a fact that the OCaml compiler produces significantly more efficient object code than any Haskell compiler, even for pure functionl programs.

02:06 <Smerdyakov> benny, lazyness can be a pain for optimization.

02:07 <malc_> benny: those things are hard to get these days

02:07 <Smerdyakov> benny, but SML has even better optimizing compilers. ;)

02:07 <Smerdyakov> Now you all should go to www.softwarescrutiny.net and help create a resource for answering questions like this!! :D

02:07 <malc_> it has one optimizing compiler that is better

02:07 <malc_> and it's also slow as hell

02:08 <Smerdyakov> benny, the major advanntage of ML over Haskell is the module system, to me.

02:09 <benny> interesting

02:11 <malc_> http://groups.google.com/group/fa.caml/browse_frm/thread/d0fee65a106957ba/7f68ac4ef10b1693?lnk=st&q=ocaml+vs+haskell&rnum=1&hl=en#7f68ac4ef10b1693

02:11 <malc_> and in general ocaml vs haskell (or vice versa) on google might produce something of interest on an idle friday

22:54 <Mozillion> if I wanted to print \" in a string, how to do it.. cause \\ isn't allowed?

22:56 <vodka-goo> # print_string "\\\"" ;;

22:56 <vodka-goo> \"- : unit = ()

22:56 <vodka-goo> one for the \ one for the "

22:56 <Mozillion> yes, hmm

22:57 <Mozillion> I must have mistyped because I thought I had that

22:57 <Mozillion> thanks anyway :)

22:57 <vodka-goo> you're welcome