17:29 <dylan> Being forced to work in C# with strictly enforced usage of hungarian notation makes me like ocaml even more...

17:30 <malc_> dylan: i thought the official C# coding guidelince forbid usage of hungarian notation?

17:30 <dylan> Well, it would seem my boss ignores that.

17:30 <malc_> accept my sincere condolences

17:31 <dylan> Thank you. :)

17:31 <dylan> so, I'm using ocaml to whip up a C# parser that can add or remove the style of hungarian notation they want.

17:38 <vodka-goo> pardon my ignorance, but what's the hungarian notation ?

17:40 <malc_> variable mangling style, when some sort of type information is appended to the name

17:40 <malc_> iMoo, Moo is of type int

17:41 <malc_> sFoo, Foo is string

17:41 <oxygene> pFoo - pointer

17:41 <lispy> iirc, piFoo would be a pointer to integer

17:41 <lispy> it's crazy stuff, and totally annoying

17:41 <malc_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation

17:45 <dylan> the one I have to use is worse.

17:45 <dylan> it includes scope and type.

17:45 <dylan> and the type for signed intergers is s32...

17:45 <dylan> so, you get "ms32Counter", instead of, say, "i"

18:06 <CHodapp> looks verbose and disgusting.

18:07 <CHodapp> "While Hungarian notation can be applied to any programming language and environment, it was widely adopted by Microsoft for use with the C language, in particular for Microsoft Windows, and its use remains largely confined to that area. Thus, many commonly-seen constructs of Hungarian notation are specific to Windows:"

18:07 <CHodapp> "a_crszkvc30LastNameCol : constant reference function argument, holding contents of a database column of type varchar(30) called LastName that was part of the table's primary key"

18:10 <dylan> Eeew.

18:11 <CHodapp> If I had a CS professor who insisted on that, I'd probably start inserting "asdf_nthuntoaeuoe" and random keyboard mashing strings into variable names just to make the point.

18:11 <dylan> Well, they're paying me to commit this sin.

18:12 <CHodapp> Doesn't that make you a prostitute?

18:12 <dylan> No, the ugly C# code is the prostitute, I'm the pimp. Or the parents of the prostitute...

18:13 <CHodapp> I can't say I've liked C# much, though I've never actually written it

18:13 <dylan> Me neither. :)

18:14 <CHodapp> But then again, I don't really know why I'm here. I don't know OcaML, I just happen to have a copy on my computer and a PDF of a book about it.

18:14 <CHodapp> I think I was going to get some ML (once I learn the differences) and put it on my low-spec laptop.

18:15 <dylan> Ocaml is a nice language for some things. Like compilers. :)

18:15 <CHodapp> I've heard it's unmatched for some mathematical things.

18:16 <CHodapp> I dunno. I just like to dabble in various paradigms and philosophies of programming.

18:17 <CHodapp> ...so I say, as I read a webpage for the C++ projects due in a lab that starts in 30 minutes, where I'm using the thoroughly annoying MS Visual Studio.

18:19 <dylan> Yeah. I used VS for the first time yesterday (for work). It's ugly. :P

18:20 <CHodapp> Ugh. I just want to compile a file sometimes.

18:21 <CHodapp> And 'gcc blah.c -o blah.o' is easier than click click click "project1" click click right-click click "project1.cpp" click click click click.