dark_light changed the topic of #ocaml to: OCaml 3.09.2 available! Archive of Caml Weekly News: http://sardes.inrialpes.fr/~aschmitt/cwn/ | A free book: http://cristal.inria.fr/~remy/cours/appsem/ | Mailing List: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/wilma/caml-list/ | Cookbook: http://pleac.sourceforge.net/
<youknow365> damn anyone up
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<falconair> hi, does ocaml have continuations? Google doesn't bring anything worthwhile.
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<youknow365> how should i call the select ?
<youknow365> im having a hard time getting to knwo this thing
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<flux__> falconair, I think there was a special version of ocaml (patch for ocaml) that supported continuations, but not natively
<falconair> flux__: thanks, i think i found the special version as well
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<bluestorm_> si
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<youknow365> i think i almost got it
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<youknow365> damn no one has talked in 2 days except me
<EsotericMoniker> well if you want some conversation I have a question
<EsotericMoniker> as a total OCaml noob
<EsotericMoniker> I've seen several dynamic languages/vm's such as the neko vm implemented in OCaml and I was wondering what makes it more/less suitable for that task than other language?
<youknow365> EsotericMoniker: i am a n00b also
<youknow365> and its hard to learn ocaml becasue lack of community and examples and such
<ski> ocaml has a reputation of being quite efficient, and still is a high-level language
<youknow365> its one of the top 4 fastest languages
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<EsotericMoniker> yeah I see it do well in the IFPC and on the programming language shootout
<EsotericMoniker> er, ICFP I mean
<EsotericMoniker> is OCaml pretty portable?
<youknow365> no idea
<youknow365> but portable in windows and linux
<EsotericMoniker> are there compilers for Win/Linux/OSX that all perform about the same?
<EsotericMoniker> ok
<EsotericMoniker> linux to OSX is a short hop compared to linux/win
<youknow365> i think mac also but i don't write for mac stuff
<ulfdoz> there is a mac compiler, also linux.
<ulfdoz> dunno about windows. I banned that OS several years ago.
<EsotericMoniker> are the prinary compilers OSS like GCC?
<EsotericMoniker> or are there commercial compilers that perform better like in the Lisp/Smalltalk/Forth world
<ulfdoz> yes
<EsotericMoniker> ok good
<EsotericMoniker> hard to base an OSS vm on a commercial VM :)
<ulfdoz> performance is usually overrated.
<youknow365> lol
<ulfdoz> there are some rare cases, where performance is really of concern. THis is the point, most people turn to C.
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<youknow365> isnt ocaml faster then c++
<youknow365> i know it was a few years back
<ulfdoz> I think, this depends on the test, you run.
<EsotericMoniker> yeah for my app performance really matters
<EsotericMoniker> and I really don't want to use C
<EsotericMoniker> so I look to OCaml
<EsotericMoniker> other than speed does OCaml stand out for building language tools?
<EsotericMoniker> I mean I know it's high level and that right there is better than C for most any app
<youknow365> what are you doing that requires speed ?
<EsotericMoniker> VM
<youknow365> i see ocaml should be fine then
<youknow365> when you say high level its not high level as some scripting langauges like pyton ruby etc
<EsotericMoniker> right
<EsotericMoniker> like between ruby and C
<EsotericMoniker> although I like the functional aspects a lot
<EsotericMoniker> that sort of makes it more "high level" to me in some regards
<youknow365> i dont write in fucntiuonal
<youknow365> functional
<youknow365> it will be slower
<youknow365> writing ocaml in iterative like C will be much faster
<EsotericMoniker> no tail call optimization?
<youknow365> no idea
<EsotericMoniker> hmmm
<ulfdoz> of course it does tail call opt.
<EsotericMoniker> so then, like scheme, etc. the recursive tail call is the same as iterative
<EsotericMoniker> well I guess I'm off to read the book linked to in the channel header
<youknow365> ulfdoz: you familiar with Select?
<ulfdoz> Äh, nope.
<youknow365> dammit
<youknow365> i wish i knew ocaml much better
<pango> sure, so you wouldn't say functional would be always slower ;)
<smimou> heh
<ulfdoz> holy war! here & now :)
<pango> EsotericMoniker: about using ocaml for language, this link appeared recently in the mailing list: http://www.venge.net/graydon/talks/mkc/html/mgp00001.html
<pango> s/language/language implementation/
<EsotericMoniker> pango: thank you, I had seen that presentation and it was the main reason I put OCaml on my list to evaluate
<pango> ic
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<EsotericMoniker> what is a good editor/environment to start on if I'm not an emacs kind of guy?
<zmdkrbou> vim
<zmdkrbou> (rulez)
<EsotericMoniker> heh
<EsotericMoniker> so basically anything with syntax highlighting?
<zmdkrbou> of course
<zmdkrbou> vim has all you need
<zmdkrbou> vim *is* all you need :p
<zmdkrbou> (it doesn't wash the dishes though)
<Shimei> That's scheduled for vim 8.
<zmdkrbou> vim is an editor :)
<zmdkrbou> (emacs is do-anything-and-worse-robot)
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<youknow365> anyone up.........im still having trouble getting this damn select to work
<zmdkrbou> mmmh youknow365 i have a terrible question
<zmdkrbou> do you ever sleep at all ?
<youknow365> no man
<zmdkrbou> that's what i thought
<youknow365> this program is money for me
<youknow365> so i neeeeed to get it done
<zmdkrbou> you mean this will be released and sold ?
<youknow365> no
<youknow365> for my bussiness
<zmdkrbou> oh, you mean it has to help you in your business ?
<youknow365> my users will use it
<zmdkrbou> users ?
<zmdkrbou> your clients ?
<youknow365> yes
<youknow365> users
<zmdkrbou> what's the difference ?
<zmdkrbou> (what is that business ?)
<youknow365> takkke so long to explain what im doing ;)
<youknow365> been in the works fdor like 1.5 years and this is the last thing
<youknow365> it will put me on the map i got awsome marekting with sweet magazines
<youknow365> you might even use it
<zmdkrbou> i don't think so :)
<youknow365> do you freelance ?
<zmdkrbou> freelance ?
<zmdkrbou> i'm a student :)
<youknow365> yes do work for people for a certain ammount of money
<youknow365> am*
<zmdkrbou> so you do freelance ?
<youknow365> the question is if you do ?
<youknow365> ;)
<zmdkrbou> no i don't
<zmdkrbou> (i'm a student and it keeps me busy)
<youknow365> oo
<youknow365> well if you had time would you freelance ?
<zmdkrbou> i don't sell programs or code, i don't like this :)
<zmdkrbou> but let's imagine i do freelance
<zmdkrbou> then why should i use your app ?
<zmdkrbou> why can it make for me ?
<zmdkrbou> s/why/what/
<youknow365> trust me
<youknow365> if you did freelance
<youknow365> you would use my service
<youknow365> i can almost say 99.9 :P
<youknow365> well i will say 90 percenrt sure :P
<zmdkrbou> i don't see why
<zmdkrbou> and i think i wouldn't
<zmdkrbou> should i pay you to use your service ?
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<Grincheux> lo zmdkrbou
<zmdkrbou> lo Grincheux
<zmdkrbou> youknow365: so shoud i pay ? and what is the service from you i could use ?