gl changed the topic of #ocaml to: Discussions about the OCaml programming language | http://caml.inria.fr/ | happy new year, dudes.
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<Smerdyakov>
pango, y'know, there's this great away message feature in IRC so that you don't end up spamming channels with nick changes. :P
<pango>
some don't like away messages either
<Smerdyakov>
Why?
<pango>
because "it spams channels"
<Smerdyakov>
Huh? No message is sent to anyone when you go away.
<Smerdyakov>
I mean /away I'm gone
<Smerdyakov>
Particular IRC clients may send PRIVMSGs whenever that's run, but that's not part of the IRC protocol.
<pango>
oh, mmh I don't know if dircproxy supports the feature
<Smerdyakov>
It would be very strange if it didn't. This feature has been in the IRC protocol for decades
<pango>
it's actually dircproxy changing the nick when I disconnect
<pango>
it's a proxy, not a client, so I don't know
<pango>
ah, seems it does
<Smerdyakov>
My IRC client (XChat) even greys out names of AWAY people.
<pango>
I'm more concerned with the lack of reliability of tor... I disconnect way too often
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<stevan_>
Smerdyakov: are you interested in hearing any more "missing features" of smlsql
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<Smerdyakov>
stevan_, I'd be more interested in hearing re: Laconic.
<stevan_>
Smerdyakov: I am still reading up on dependent types, so that might take a little while
<stevan_>
I like the mutal recursion example, very cool
<stevan_>
ok, first impression (based on basic understanding of dependent typing and how you are using it here) is that you have some very cool ideas going
<stevan_>
but the mashup of SQL + HTML + Code I am not a fan of
<stevan_>
although the fact it will all be statically checked removes some of my aversion to that
<Smerdyakov>
It's pretty clear to me that there's no way to get high productivity without allowing whole applications to exist as single language entities.
<stevan_>
well, thats not true in my experience
<Smerdyakov>
I'm sure your experience doesn't involve the kind of metaprogramming I have in the examples.
<stevan_>
being able to seperate HTML and code is very useful when you have someone to delegate to (HTML code jockey)
<stevan_>
which examples specifically? I am just getting to the metaprogramming section
<Smerdyakov>
Just read it all. :P
<stevan_>
ok, let me finish this last section
<stevan_>
Smerdyakov: what is the 'con' keyword stand for?
<Smerdyakov>
A syntactic class that generalizes types
<stevan_>
is it short for something?
<Smerdyakov>
constructor
<stevan_>
thanks (it makes it easier to read the code when I know these things,.. sorry just a quirk of mine)
<stevan_>
I think I like the Expenses example in the Technical report the best
<stevan_>
I do like the metaprogramming aspect of it all
<stevan_>
I find myself wanting such features in OCaml sometimes, mostly cause in the more dynamic languages that i am used to it is easy to bend/break/demolish types in this way
<stevan_>
I am still not sold on the value of mixing HTML , SQL and code
<stevan_>
that is fine for small single developer projects, but the moment you have many developers, a web designer and DBA it gets messy
<stevan_>
and remember, despite what RoR zealots what you to believe, a fair portion ( I would say 50% or more) of web apps are not just CRUD
<stevan_>
I wonder how your table abstractions would scale when you get into 100+ column tables
<stevan_>
I have been pondering something similar to SQLAlchemy in terms of an UI, but would like to have the strong type checking that you are getting
<stevan_>
but most tables I deal with for reports are min 100 columns
<stevan_>
I *know* RoR (and most ORMs for that matter) don't scale up that high very well
<stevan_>
Smerdyakov: all in all, very interesting stuff
<stevan_>
I don't know how fair it is to compare this to RoR performance wise though :)
<stevan_>
Ruby is a known CPU/Memory hog
<stevan_>
anyway,.. time for bed
<Smerdyakov>
Bye
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<ikaros>
hi, did anyone successfully compile cameleon?
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<flux->
apparently not an easy task..
<ikaros>
hehe yes i think so
<flux->
I wonder how much it would take to make cameleon easy to compile, if someone were to take the task :)
<ikaros>
i compiled and installed all the requirements listed on the cameleon page.. but when i run configure for cameleon it says lablgladecc not found
<ikaros>
i googled but i dont have a clue where it belongs to
<ikaros>
hm seems its part of the lablgtk and i compiled it wrong.. well.. im going on trying..
<flux->
I've been compiling scala with gcj and the java-process' been running for almost half an hour..
<flux->
and takes 250M
<ikaros>
wow now it seems to work.. still trying to find out how to build topcameleon
<ikaros>
./configure [--with-ocaml-src-dir=/absolute/path/to/ocaml/compiled/sources] ... dumb question but what are compiled sources?
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<flux->
ocaml source, compiled
<flux->
take 1 pcs of ocaml source distibution tar archive, extract it, compile it
<ikaros>
ah lol.. got it wrong..
<benny>
flux-: where should I add flour?
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<flux->
benny, ?
<flux->
with eggs, sugar, some butter and a little bit of salt
<ikaros>
i guess i give up like last time.. stumbling from error to error..
<ikaros>
and i even dont know if its worth it ;)
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<mnemonic>
hi
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