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<f[x]> thelema, login via ssh and add that user to the project group
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<thelema> f[x]: don't I need root to edit groups?
<f[x]> hm
<f[x]> right
<f[x]> if you add the user to the project via web ui - it is added to the login group
<f[x]> iirc
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<thelema> I've added the user to the project via web ui
<thelema> but they say they don't have permission to the web folder
<thelema> via ssh
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<thelema> Since /etc/group is handled through database, I can't even verify who's in the batteries group
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<f[x]> thelema, that's strange - see http://paste.in.ua/3784/
<f[x]> so at least it worked that way before
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<thelema> I did not know about getent
<thelema> huh, just the three admins are listed in the batteries group
<f[x]> maybe the project roles come into play here?
<f[x]> only some of them are given shell access
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<linshuai_irc> hello, anyone has experience with oasis here?
<linshuai_irc> I want to know how to make it handle the `Pack:true' field
<linshuai_irc> I googled but no useful result found
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<adrien> linshuai_irc: it's provided by a patch that is not merged yet (afaik)
<linshuai_irc> thank you <adrien>, I downloaded the patch just now from ocamlforge
<linshuai_irc> Do you know how to apply this patch?
<adrien> it has first been made by someone from janestreet ; I've update the patch a bit for 0.2.0 (or 0.2.1) because it didn't apply properly (and was in darcs' format afaik): http://notk.org/~adrien/ocaml/patches/0001-Apply-for-pack-patch-and-make-tests-work.patch
<linshuai_irc> I see it's not like a patch
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<adrien> I think avsm also has made an update to it but I don't have the link handy and I don't know how they "compare" or which version he applied it to
<linshuai_irc> OK, I'm gonna see how to darcs diffs
<adrien> you should probably start from my .patch file ; it's slightly more up-to-date and has some fixes
<linshuai_irc> yeah, I'm trying to compile some janestreet's libs, and their _oasis file should be processed with the patched version of OASIS
<linshuai_irc> wow, that't nice
<adrien> linshuai_irc: well, if you only compile, you don't need oasis
<adrien> you only need oasis if you change the _oasis file
<linshuai_irc> it's a dev version
<linshuai_irc> so I need it to `oasis setup-dev'
<adrien> it doesn't have setup.ml/myocamlbuild.ml/_tags/... files?
<linshuai_irc> yeah
<adrien> hmm, am I the only one who checks in the files oasis generates?
<linshuai_irc> sorry, but what do you mean by `check in'?
<thelema> adrien: I do with batteries. maybe oneday oass will stabilize and be common
<thelema> linshuai_irc: commit to version control
<linshuai_irc> get it
<linshuai_irc> just like checkout
<adrien> yup, so when someone gets the source from the version control, he also has the files
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<linshuai_irc> <adiren>, how should I appy your patch, it seems like a git diff patch
<adrien> that's because it is
<adrien> also a patch that /usr/bin/patch can apply (and actually, janestreet's might have been from mercurial; I don't know)
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<linshuai_irc> Do I need to git clone your repo?
<adrien> _my_ repo? I didn't link to any repo (and I don't have one for oasis anyway)
<linshuai_irc> oops, so I just apply your patch to the current oasis src?
<adrien> you can try it on the current sources but you might have to update the patch because I was targetting 0.2.1~alpha1 I think
<adrien> yup, that was my target
<linshuai_irc> Fine, I just cloned the darcs repo and gonna try
<adrien> afk a bit
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<adrien> anyone knows if geneweb (genealogy software) uses Marshal to store its data?
<adrien> geneweb's daemon crashes on my mother's laptop when she tries to access the database, after an unclean shutdown and I'm now seriously depressing
<adrien> it seems to be able to count how many people are stored in the database but it crashes when issuing a search request
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<adrien> avsm: ah, right; I remember now: gildor added it himself to the patch list (I was expecting there would be a message in the followups too; silly me)
<adrien> thanks
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<avsm> ocamlforge: the bug tracker from hell
<adrien> the restriction on posting attachments is quite annoying =/
<avsm> it also took me longer to get darcs installed, than to fix the bug ;-)
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<rcmaehl> I have a dangerous question that I need help with. Can someone PM me so that an idiot won't screw up their PC?
<adrien> "no"; questions are supposed to be on the channel and if there's something dangerous or whatever, it shouldn't go in PM either
<rcmaehl> Well. It's not really "dangerous" just more only a complete moron would run it and screw up their pc
<rcmaehl> basically I'm cleaning up a wikipedia page and I need to know which code would be better?
<adrien> and that could screw up a computer? I'd say none is better then :P
<rcmaehl> Well the article is about screwing up computers, or forkbombs to be more precise
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<rcmaehl> meh I'll go with my gut and take out the longest one
<adrien> ah
<adrien> you're not using a program to clean the page; ok
<adrien> in doubt; when you want to show such stuff, break it before posting it
<rcmaehl> No and the page was terribly
<rcmaehl> disorganized
<rcmaehl> and ok
<adrien> the 5-lines one in WP's forkbomb article is pretty weird
<rcmaehl> :|
<rcmaehl> lag
<adrien> the 3-line one seems
<adrien> much better
<rcmaehl> ok
<companion_cube> the ruby one is amusing
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<Qrntzz> oh, I think that was me who added the ocaml forkbomb examples
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<Qrntzz> if by the 5-lines you meant the one with pattern-matching, well, I didn't like it as much either
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<oriba> what forkbomb article are you talking about?
<adrien> wikipedia's
<oriba> they used ocaml for it?
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<oriba> there is no Ocaml in the forkbomb article
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<thelema> oriba: yes there is, just hiding in the middle
<thelema> oriba: between nasm assembly and perl
<oriba> thelema, you may talk about a different article
<oriba> maybe french version?
<oriba> ah, ok I looked at the german version ... heheh
<oriba> it needs three lines... how bad ;)
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<Qrntzz> oriba: you could of course stuff it in a single line, but... :-p
<oriba> of course
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<adrien> thelema: I was reading something else from russ cox and he added this page a few days ago; in case you haven't seen it yet: http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp4.html (I haven't had time to read it yet)
<thelema> adrien: I noticed that - cool trick if you're google and can maintain a trigram index
<thelema> It's definitely a cool hack to turn a regex search into a google query
<thelema> adrien: thanks for pointing it out - I'm always interested in the state of the art in regex
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<adrien> I need to set more time apart for reading; I'm accumulating everything but never reading anything
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<oriba> adrien, I know that problem of url-caching and not reading....
<thelema> gildor: can you help with a permissions problem on ocamlforge?
<thelema> gildor: short story: I cna't figure out how to add sliquister to the batteries group so he can push to the website
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<gildor> thelema: ok
<gildor> thelema: I'll have some question in return
<thelema> gildor: uh oh
<thelema> :)
<thelema> gildor: go ahead...
<gildor> thelema: $ getent group scm_batteries
<gildor> scm_batteries:x:50017:mmyoung2,alexbaretta,toton,warrensomebody,pengzang,dim,pelzlpj,hcarty,alp,mfp,stf,elehack,zack-admin,paolo_donadeo,yoric,thelema,bluestorm,sliquister
<gildor> seems ok
<thelema> not sufficient for batteries webdir
<gildor> what is precisely sliquister pb
<gildor> file:// ?
<thelema> drwxrwsr-x 8 logcheck batteries 4096 Jan 24 21:41 /home/groups/batteries/htdocs
<gildor> thelema: I am concerned by BatBitSet performance, it seems quite slow (5x slowdown on my test)
<thelema> gildor: 5x slowdown vs. what?
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<thelema> $ getent group batteries
<thelema> batteries:x:10017:yoric,thelema,bluestorm
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<gildor> $ id sliquister
<gildor> uid=24449(sliquister) gid=24449(sliquister) groupes=10017(batteries),50017(scm_batteries),24449(sliquister)
<gildor> the getent is cached
<thelema> hmmm.. I'll tell him to use newgrp
<gildor> I promoted him to batteries/site_admin
<thelema> It's troublesome for him to use scp, it seems
<thelema> if this fixes it, great.
<gildor> 5x slowdown vs array of bool
<gildor> well 3x slowdown vs array of bool if used as a library
<thelema> that's a lot of slowdown; more than I expected.
<gildor> (bytecode in a script)
<thelema> 5x slowdown in bytecode? 3x native?
<gildor> no, 3x if arr.(i) becomes a function
<thelema> just random set/get?
<gildor> but this is smthg expected, the bytecode compiler doesn't optimize the same way when it is a function or .(..)
<gildor> thelema: not random, this eratosthenes sieve
<gildor> I just want to know if you have made any benchmark regarding this
<gildor> I mean the trade-off is clear memory vs speed
<thelema> I don't - I was about to code up a benchmark myself
<gildor> please try to do so and tell me if you see this kind of slowdown
<thelema> ok.
<thelema> can you pastebin your sieve code so I don't have to recode that?
<gildor> to be clear: I don't expect BatBitSet to be as fast as bool array
<thelema> you want confirmation on the performance difference
<thelema> right?
<gildor> yes
<thelema> I'll see what I get. I rarely benchmark bytecode, but I can do that w/o problem
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<gildor> http://git.ocamlcore.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=ocaml-primes/ocaml-primes.git;a=blob;f=src/Primes.ml;h=db045b25a7f2f3830633784a58bb51eae11f88ae;hb=HEAD
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<thelema_> array (222.47 us) is 74.7% faster than
<thelema_> bitset (880.11 us)
<thelema_> for a mixture of 1/3 set, 1/3 unset, 1/3 mem, random access
<gildor> this is the 4x slowdown
<dsheets> What is the most OCamlish way to produce a man page for a command?
<thelema_> hmm, same proportion for native code
<dsheets> ocamldoc? Is this the standard?
<Qrntzz> dsheets: probably, if your command is calling an ocaml program
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<dsheets> Qrntzz: ok. It looks like the default man page format is for annotated code modules. I would like to describe the command's use for end users. Are ocamldoc plugins a good idea?
<Qrntzz> dsheets: tbh, I never used any, can't be of much help there
* Qrntzz only needed library references
<dsheets> Ok, that's fine. It is crazy to write directly for groff or whatever, though, right? I should write my docs in something that actually comprehensible?
<Qrntzz> that'd probably be a nice idea
<dsheets> hmm, ok, thanks for the help
<Qrntzz> dsheets: you're welcome
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