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<adrien> are there tips on how to reduce the size of your ocaml programs?
<adrien> I know a few but a fairly comprehensive documentation would be really nice
<mfp> adrien: would also like to know... AFAIK there's not much to do is there? -inline -10000, stripping the executables, not using packs/huge container modules like Batteries/Core, avoiding include XXX, using dynamic loading and cmxs if code can be shared amongst executables
<mfp> -compact (don't know how effective it is, never measured it), and no -g
<mfp> anything else?
<adrien> I don't know more; there were also a few items on the bug tracker
<adrien> I would have liked seeing the effectiveness of various options being documented
<adrien> -compact is quite limited iirc because you'd have to recompile the standard library with it
<mfp> if you have a lot of shared code dynamic loading would trump everything else :)
<adrien> well, I have two .exe and they probably have 99.9% of the code in common
<mfp> then avoiding Batteries/Core-like modules and -g, I guess?
<mfp> hmm exe... well, if you can get the cmxs stuff to work, there's a 50% gain for you there
<adrien> after strpping, -g on my own code adds rougly 3KB (out of roughly 940KB)
<mfp> any idea whether GNU BFD supports whatever object format ocaml uses on windows?
<mfp> if so, you might be able to use https://github.com/mfp/ld.ocaml (maybe with minor adaptations for winXX)
<adrien> I've been pondering .cmxs but it "looks" better with fewer files (it's incredible how people are going to complain about a few hundred KBs nowadays...)
<adrien> I remember ld.ocaml; I've used it in the past with pretty good success
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<adrien> it'll be a good test for my cross-compiler :P
<adrien> mfp: what do you want to do with bfd?
<mfp> ld.ocaml used it to extract the (marshalled) headers from the objects
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<adrien> ocaml's configure says "no"
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<adrien> but it might well be a limitation of my current patches to the compiler
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<wmeyer> hi
<adrien> MORNING!
<wmeyer> :)
<wmeyer> Morning Adrien :-)
<adrien> btw, I'm not able to build a cross-compiler for windows 64 (although that might be because of my C toolchain rather than because of the patches)
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<wmeyer> adrien: you've done a great job already
<wmeyer> I still have your pending patches
<wmeyer> to include
<adrien> thanks :-)
<adrien> been working on yypkg and the packages for windows recently, I'll be done today for "beta 1" so I'll have some time to rebase my patches on trunk soon :-)
<wmeyer> yes, it needs rebasing a bit. There were some changes
<adrien> I will _never_ forgive Damien Doligez for breaking absolutely all my patches :P
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<notk0> hello
<notk0> does anyone know if ocaml determines partial application at compiler time or runtime ?
<notk0> eg is there a different in the syntax tree between a normal application and partial application?
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<Kakadu> Afaik in runtime all functions take only 1 parameter (uncurring)
<notk0> what does that parameter represent?
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<notk0> how can I cast a a function that takes 'a 'b arguments to int?
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<notk0> I have defined a reference outside of a function definition, yet I can't access it from inside the function
<notk0> is it not global?
<flux> notk0, scoping rules are still respected..
<flux> if the value is in scope, it can be accessed
<notk0> so I am forced to make it an argument flux ?
<flux> no
<flux> well
<flux> depends on your case
<flux> this works: let global = ref 42 let do_magic () = incr global
<flux> no argument passing involved
<flux> and global is, well, global
<flux> of course, if the value cannot be in scope, it must be an argument..
<flux> or passed through some other global data structure
<notk0> oh I used the wrong syntax, I said
<notk0> let ref name = value
<notk0> what does it mean let ref name ?
<flux> heh, you definde function ref that returns a constant given whatever as an argument
<notk0> oh, I didn't know I can redefine keywords in OCaml
<flux> you cannot, ref is not a keyword
<flux> but rather something from the standard library
<notk0> wow I just did let int name and it works
<notk0> int is not a keywords as well?
<flux> indeed
<flux> let let = 42 won't work
<flux> or let struct = 42
<notk0> that seems rather strange :P
<notk0> thank you for your help flux
<flux> well, it's actually pretty nice sometimes
<flux> for example if you have a library for serializing stuffy
<notk0> why is it useful to redefine that?
<flux> you can write code like: Serializer.(serialize (int * string) (4, "hello"))
<flux> int and string are functions local to the Serializer module
<notk0> I see
<flux> and * as well
<notk0> so it's more of helping make syntax sugar?
<flux> well, builtin types are bound by the same rules as user-defined types
<flux> it's consistent that way, no?
<notk0> I guess
<notk0> if I have inside the body of a fucntion some code
<notk0> and I want to do try get value from MAp with Not_found -> do code
<notk0> but depending on the value of the Map result I want to do the same thing
<notk0> what is a good solution? shall I create a function inside that does the code I need?
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<flux> I would probably do that, yes
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<notk0> hello, I have a if then else inside a try
<notk0> if something then foo else bar
<notk0> but when I try to compile it tells me it expected a type unit
<notk0> foo and bar are return types
<adrien> use parens or begin...end
<adrien> "if ... then if ... then ... else ..." is ambiguous
<notk0> I solved it it was my mistake
<notk0> if I have
<adrien> the "else" could belong to the first or second
<notk0> let p = foo where foo is a function, and I want to redefine p to be the result of foo applied to another function, what do I do?
<notk0> I did
<notk0> let v = foo a in bar v
<notk0> but can I combine them in a more elegant way?
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<flux> well, how about let p = bar (foo a) :)
<flux> (I think I don't get the point here..)
<adrien> yeah, same
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<ollehar> any sensible way to loop two lists at the same time? or best to use a for loop?
<ollehar> I want to combine elements from the lists into tuples
<Qrntz> ollehar, List.combine
<ollehar> Qrntz: great!!
<companion_cube> https://github.com/c-cube/ocaml-containers/blob/master/gen.mli ← shameless ad for my iterator lib, that allows such things and more ;)
<Qrntz> companion_cube, nice
<Qrntz> I really like the part about no dependencies
<Qrntz> (Batteries is rather large as a whole but sometimes I just need one container)
<companion_cube> there are some modules in there that depend on other modules
<companion_cube> however, Gen is dependency-free :)
<companion_cube> (also, Future)
<Qrntz> thanks, will keep that one in mind
<companion_cube> cool! :D
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<adrien> iirc, despite batteries being fairly large, it doesn't have to make your executable size explode since you'll only link in what you actually use
<companion_cube> isnt'it the same for the std lib?
<adrien> it is
<adrien> granularity is per-cmx if I'm not mistaken
<companion_cube> sounds reasonable, indeed
<adrien> need to check
<adrien> things don't add up
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<adrien> alright
<adrien> % echo 'let () = print_endline "42"' > foo.ml
<adrien> then 'touch bar.ml'
<adrien> build both .ml with -c, then create baz.cmxa with these two .cmx files
<adrien> then call 'ocamlopt baz.cmxa', it creates 'a.out'
<adrien> run a.out, it doesn't print anything
<adrien> now, if you create a.ml with: echo 'module F = Foo' > a.ml
<adrien> and run 'ocamlopt baz.cmxa a.ml', the corresponding a.out executable will print 42
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<notk0> can I have multiple stuff that throws exceptions inside a try ?
<notk0> try ( Map.find .1.. Map.find 2 .. ?
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<thizanne> notk0: yes
<notk0> thizanne: ty, I figured I don't need that since I can't tell which one throwed an exception, and I need it in my case
<thizanne> but you won't be able to know which Map.find raised the exception, in your case
<thizanne> notk0: if you need it, you can do something like exception Absent of key;; let find t x = try Map.find t w with Not_found -> raise Absent x
<thizanne> +parentheses
<notk0> that's why I did two try with
<notk0> is anyone familiar on how partial application is implemented in Ocaml? it seems that the compiler doesn't differentiate between a normal application and a partial one
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<notk0> is there a method to remove the last element of a list?
<notk0> I can to List.hd (List.rev l) ?
<companion_cube> I'm not sure it's a good way to use a list
<companion_cube> (but it's easy to write if needed)
<notk0> well I already have a list
<notk0> well there is List.nth but I will need to call List.length
<companion_cube> I mean, you can write a recursive function that does it
<notk0> so I'd assume it's complexity is 2 *O(n)
<notk0> companion_cube: yes I know
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<rly> opam update returns Fatal error: exception End_of_file
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<adrien> hmmm, it looks like ocaml can really generate very big code sometimes
<adrien> in Arg.parse_argv, the fairly long "treat_action" function corresponds to 7KB of executable code
<adrien> but it really looks like it shouldn't be that big
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