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<companion_cube>
there's no "pyramid" in it :(((
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<orbifx[m]>
Are you sure?
<orbifx[m]>
companion_cube: you need to scroll to the right
<companion_cube>
rgrinberg: 1/ do you have a link regarding per-module flags? 2/ can I have a jbuilder library not being namespaced (i.e. exporting several modules directly)?
<rgrinberg>
for 2/ just set (wrapped false) in your lib
<companion_cube>
oh, neat, thanks.
<companion_cube>
btw the vim support is nice :)
<rgrinberg>
I think I lied to you about per_module, it only works for preprocessing and not flags :/
<rgrinberg>
That vim mode is hcarty's work!
<companion_cube>
ah, damn (about flags) :/
<companion_cube>
I'm going to put the flags globally then
<rgrinberg>
Kinda curious, why do you like no-labels?
<companion_cube>
for ArrayLabels, ListLabels, etc.
<companion_cube>
one .ml for two .mli, basically
<companion_cube>
(well, the second .ml is just `include Foo`)
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<rgrinberg>
ah, nice trick
<reynir>
There's a jbuilder vim plugin? :o
<rgrinberg>
There's syntax highlighting for jbuild files
<companion_cube>
it seems even the qtest part should work
<rgrinberg>
reynir: rgrinberg/vim-ocaml
<rgrinberg>
companion_cube: but, but, but what about the 4.01 compatibility?
<rgrinberg>
or 4.00 or w/e it is :P
<companion_cube>
ah damn, forgot about that
<companion_cube>
jbuilder is 4.02?
<rgrinberg>
Yes :P
<companion_cube>
erf
<companion_cube>
maybe I should keep that in a branch…
<rgrinberg>
^_^
<rgrinberg>
I find it very hard to imagine a user going out of their way to fetch the latest version of sequence, containers, etc. while sticking to ocaml 4.0 or w/e
<rgrinberg>
but i'm not very imaginative
<companion_cube>
why not? :/
<companion_cube>
if oyu use the system switch…
<companion_cube>
(rather, if you want your project to be portable into old debian or whatever)
<rgrinberg>
Well if you have opam, what's your reasoning for sticking to some really old OCaml?
<rgrinberg>
Also, if you're not concerned about upgrading ocaml, I doubt you care whether you're using sequence 0.3.4 or 0.3.5 or w/e
<Drup>
rgrinberg: I'm waiting with impatience the time where 4.02 becomes too old for you, and you get BS users asking you not to drop compat
<companion_cube>
I still believe in system package managers for delivering programs to users
<Drup>
that's going to be midly hilarious
<rgrinberg>
Drup: i complain to jordan and hongbo about this issue at least once a month
<companion_cube>
is rgrinberg the/an official maintainer of jbuilder these days? :)
<rgrinberg>
they said they'll seriously look into upgrading buckle to 4.03 in february
<companion_cube>
can't help myself but reading "bullshit users" :s
<reynir>
companion_cube: :D
<Drup>
companion_cube: I gotta be honest, that's partially why I use the acronyme
<rgrinberg>
companion_cube: you should double check if sequence builds on 4.0 btw, i kinda doubt it with the whole bytes thing
<Drup>
but they got their by themselves, I can't be accused of being mean! :3
<Drup>
there*
<companion_cube>
rgrinberg: why not? as long as ocamlfind supports it, the `bytes` library is there
<companion_cube>
and I depend on it explicitely
<rgrinberg>
Drup: they had some guidance. It was ocamlscript at first if you recall, then there was backlash about the name being take :P
<Drup>
rgrinberg: and did you complained about the fantastic idea that is "Do not have a divergent fork of the fucking typechecker" ?
<rgrinberg>
companion_cube: i don't remember the exact details, but that's how < 4.02 support was accidentally broken in ocaml-re. I found out when altgr patched in the vendored opam repo
<Drup>
(just by curiosity)
<companion_cube>
rgrinberg: I tend to use -safe-string in general
<orbifx[m]>
companion_cube: did you scroll?
<companion_cube>
ah, sorry
<rgrinberg>
companion_cube: we use it too. Don't forget to use it conditionally btw, I don't remember which version it was introduced :)
<companion_cube>
well, tbh, ocamlbuild makes a good job of tracking these flags -_-
<companion_cube>
like, flambda flags
<zolk3ri>
mmm
<rgrinberg>
companion_cube: you seem pretty knowledgeable, maybe you can fix re for 4.01 ^_^
<zolk3ri>
haha
<companion_cube>
:s
<rgrinberg>
companion_cube: not a single user reported it being broken during like 2 years of breakage though. Adn that was a couple of years ago... please stahp supporting ancient stuff nobody uses or you even test :P
<companion_cube>
I know
<companion_cube>
I'm just frustrated by CI options
<rgrinberg>
Drup: I haven't told them but I'm sure they're aware. I think the issue is that they don't think very highly of the OCaml ecosystem. So compatibility with it isn't a priority
<companion_cube>
but slowly, my executables are being moved to 4.03, best version ever ^^
<companion_cube>
I'm a bit more reluctant for core libraries
<rgrinberg>
I wish there were some opam download stuff per compiler version. Maybe that would convince you
<reynir>
It'd be cool if you could tell opam to download the dev-repo as well as the archive when you install a package. Lately I've often been hacking on stuff without internet, and it would be cool to have offline access to the dev-repo as well :)
<rgrinberg>
companion_cube: there's a trick for handling the flags stuff a little better - it's only for the true jbuilder connoisseur though. You might appreciate it b/c you have a ton of flags duplicated and you want some conditional flag handling
<rgrinberg>
and generate ocamlflags.sexp based on the ocaml version
<companion_cube>
ouch :D
<companion_cube>
(no thanks, I like to keep things as simple as possible :3)
<companion_cube>
anyway, this should work if I'm determined to drop 4.01
<companion_cube>
for containers, I'll wait a bit more, I think
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<rgrinberg>
qtest doens't let you test internal functions, right? I.e. those that aren't in the mli?
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<companion_cube>
indeed not
<companion_cube>
(well you can expose them with (**/**))
<companion_cube>
but isn't that the same as other testing frameworks?
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<reynir>
What is (**/**) ?
<companion_cube>
it starts a block that ocamldoc will ignore
<companion_cube>
so you can expose some functions tht won't occur in the generated doc
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<rgrinberg>
companion_cube: if you use ppx, the tests are registered inside the module itself so you can test/use internal functions
<rgrinberg>
To me this is the main advantage of ppx_inline_test and friends
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<companion_cube>
and if you disable tests, does any of the code remain?
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<rgrinberg>
companion_cube: depends how you go about it. The trick is to have preprocessors. One that collects the tests and one that drops them.
<rgrinberg>
But now you have a dependency on the preprocessor that drops the tests as part of the normal build. I think this is fine though. The spartan dependency world is too limiting anyway...
<companion_cube>
yeah well, I still don't like to depend on ppx for now
<rgrinberg>
I understand. There are still some pains as it matures. Though I think that ruling it out doesn't make sense either.
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<reynir>
I love using ppxs and then I get annoyed when the ppxs eventually break after an upgrade heh
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<Leonidas>
reynir: that's better these days with omp
<Leonidas>
and ppx_deriving/type_conv plugins where they do all the heavy lifting and you just have to hook into them and be dragged along for new compiler versions
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<Leonidas>
opam with ocaml 4.00 probably does not even work because nobody tests anything and probably nothing compiles anymore
<Leonidas>
I wouldn't bother supporting anything lower than 4.02
<Leonidas>
and I frequently run into things that work in e.g 4.06 but not 4.05 and this is all super frustrating
<Leonidas>
I am aware that bitching and moaning about the current state does not make it better
<hannes>
Leonidas: you should open issues if you encounter sth that doesn't work with 4.05.0 but pretends to work with that...
<hannes>
Leonidas: the CI is under active development, all I can say is "it's getting better"... I'm not sure why its quality dropped (sporadic failures, centos breakage) within the last months.. it was in a good state maybe 3 months ago..
<Leonidas>
I would really like mergeable PRs to be actually green.
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<hannes>
Leonidas: as indicated, there's active work on it with a new developer hired in Cambridge esp. for that! :)
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<reynir>
Leonidas: yes, that's true
<hannes>
Leonidas: the travis CI is pretty reliable still (and tests lots of OCaml versions) -- usually it is green when merging opam-repository PRs :)
<Leonidas>
hannes: glad to hear that. hope the growing pains can be solved :)
<hannes>
Leonidas: and 4.06.0 was a pretty heavy-duty release.. I spent several weekends to fix various packages and update constraints
<hannes>
(but the imposed change, having immutable strings by default, was very well worth it, imho)
<Leonidas>
hannes: one of my other issues is that it is very hard to understand what is going wrong https://github.com/ocaml/opam-repository/pull/10923 e.g. has a constraint but fails because the version constraint is not enforced somewhere
<hannes>
just today I fixed at least 3 constraints in opam-repository. if more people (and there are others who already do that!) fix things when they see breakage, it will improve.
<Leonidas>
yeah, 4.06 probably needs a bunch of -no-safe-string patches in upstream libraries. or making things safe
<rgrinberg>
Leonidas: jpdeplaix is fixing the CI (or so I've heard)
<Leonidas>
ok, next time I'll run into it I'll make a bug report/PR
<hannes>
Leonidas: I do not understand "has a constraint but fails because the version constraint is not enforced somewhere". do you mean that the (datakit-)CI fails for earlier ocaml-versions which are disabled by "available" keyword?
<hannes>
Leonidas: if this is the case, yes, this is an annoying bug, but the people in charge know about it and will fix it (hopefully sooner than later)
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<Leonidas>
hannes: so from what I read this PR is "failed" because the CI tried to build it on an unsupported ocaml version which ended up failing. I don't know why it did that, since the opam files mark it as unsupported, so it is just frustrating.
<hannes>
Leonidas: yes, sorry for that (it is not my fault and I don't have any knowledge or access to the CI infrastructure). as I mentioned, the travis CI is atm more robust than datakit-CI -- but this all will improve within the next 3 months! :)
<Leonidas>
\o/
<pmetzger>
The biggest thing that failed in the 4.06.0 update with packages was safe string stuff. Mostly I think there weren't a lot of other failures.
<Leonidas>
I should finish up opam-thanks finally, maybe I'll find some time over the holidays, then it is a bit of a christmas present
<hannes>
Leonidas: will you be at 34c3?
<Leonidas>
hannes: no, not this year.
<Leonidas>
I usually visit every second ;-)
<Leonidas>
last year I was playing "implement a sort-of useful ocaml project every day", that was quite fun
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<orbifx>
Looks like Dune is leaving other names for dust.
<orbifx>
Pun intended :P
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<Drup>
I liked vizir :(
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<orbifx>
Vizir isn't bad, I liked the cartoon.
<orbifx>
But why would you want a plotting build system Drup ? :P
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<Drup>
orbifx: wel, it's fitting, isn't it ?
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<orbifx>
Drup: ;)
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<reynir>
I liked jbyg
<pmetzger>
I prefer "vizir"...
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<orbifx[m]>
reynir: have you voted?
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<pmetzger>
"vizir" is in #2 place, but I'll admit it's well behind dune
<pmetzger>
I fear for the future of names if we go to "dune". What's next, a destructive test system called "gom_jabbar"? :) :) :)
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<orbifx>
pmetzger: hehe
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<zolk3ri>
Ugh, those colours are bright.
<pmetzger>
Some jerk is doing this in just about every group on Freenode, randomized IDs, hit and run. They apparently hit OFTC too.
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<whoman>
i wonder if its working, whatever its intention is to cause
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<pmetzger>
It's likely making the 12 year old responsible who has just learned how to write scripts very happy. The question is what will come first, the 12 year old being caught, or the 12 year old becoming bored.
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