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<cilz>
good morning guys
<Regenaxer>
Hi cilz
<cilz>
Hello Regenaxer
<cilz>
was looking at my Twitter wall...
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<freeemint>
i just failed a math class.
<Regenaxer>
Oh :(
<Regenaxer>
big problem?
<freeemint>
only a Schein not a Prüfung
<freeemint>
so no but a punch in the belly none the less
<Regenaxer>
yeah
<clacke[m]>
a Schein is a mid-course test?
<clacke[m]>
and the Prüfung is the final test?
<freeemint>
roughly speaking yes ... but it literally means "piece of paper"
<beneroth>
weird systems.
<freeemint>
It screams, you are not as competent as you think you are. Which results in you are not who you think are. The conclusion is: on your current course you will not end up where you want to be.
<beneroth>
poetic :)
<beneroth>
and bad. it should scream "I will make you more competent than you think you can be".
<freeemint>
no existential
<freeemint>
no it is "existencialistic"
<freeemint>
I now got to decide what course of action is right. How far i should adjust? What should i adjust?
<beneroth>
it's all only in your head. *goes solipsist"
<beneroth>
hm
<freeemint>
the failed is on paper
<freeemint>
;)
<beneroth>
make a list of your options.
<beneroth>
make a list of your goals. put weights (priority number) on them. correlate with options (maybe weighted again).
<freeemint>
- start to stud harder and more organize
<freeemint>
- switch to another course which you will pass with ease and which will not force you to grow
<beneroth>
well one things are weaknesses to avoid, another things are strengths you might be able to improve even more
<freeemint>
- stop studying and learn a craft
<beneroth>
afaik in the German education system it is pretty hard to change/fix a course choice later on, right?
<freeemint>
- continue without change
<freeemint>
beneroth not really
<clacke[m]>
I think it just means you were not as up to speed on the course material as you thought, and younjust need to review it and do some more exercises. If you know what kinds of questions you failed, look into those things more.
<beneroth>
T
<freeemint>
roughly what i intend to do
<freeemint>
but is shows one of the hige fault lines of my character self discipline
<freeemint>
huge
<clacke[m]>
eat icecream, cry, watch american sitcoms
<beneroth>
hm.. only use your gulty conscience to gain insights. like what you could have done better even on the information level in the past. then drop that guilty conscience and focus on what you can do now.
<beneroth>
feeling bad for no other sake then feeling bad only harms your current abilities.
<freeemint>
i do not feel guilt
<beneroth>
"but is shows one of the hige fault lines of my character self discipline"
<clacke[m]>
beneroth comes out as a stoicist
<beneroth>
clacke[m], oopsie
<clacke[m]>
I wonder what the overlap is between stoicists and discordians
<freeemint>
I am really bad at doing what i ought to do.
<beneroth>
everyone is. a matter of training.
<beneroth>
or the "ought to do" is wrong. but avoid taking the lazy route unless it really is the route you should take for your goal.
<clacke[m]>
the way to look at it is: I am bad at prioritizing in a way that helps me reach my goals
<beneroth>
clacke[m], I haven't met many discordians, so hard to tell. I would say discordianism encourages to try out different POVs, which I would suspect of tending to lead towards a sort of relaxed pragmatism/realism through the broader perspective and relativism
<beneroth>
clacke[m], T
<beneroth>
forgetting tasks? use some kind of ToDo-List (on paper or a little program). put all your tasks into it, then you never have to worry about your tasks as they are all in your list, and so you can focus on the task you work right on in the moment
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<beneroth>
no motivation? think about how this task now is a step on the road to your longterm goal and why you want to do it.
<clacke[m]>
yes, there is some philosophical overlap between not taking things too seriously and notbletting external circumstances control your internal outlook
<clacke[m]>
feeling indebted to others and feeling that one is failing them can be a useful tool. when it becomes the opposite, throw it away and make sure you know why you are doing things and what you personally want to achieve
<freeemint>
beneroth, i take the easy route way to often ...
<beneroth>
yeah. some level of indifference is required to achieve control. else one is not acting, but only re-acting. the point is not in becoming ignorant/numb, but to consciously decide in which things to invest attention and energy
<clacke[m]>
afk, motivating myself to take a shower to achieve the goal of getting to bed at a decent hour and being rested for tomorrow's exciting new parentheses
<beneroth>
happy washing
<clacke[m]>
this stuff only gets harder when you are working at one layer up and need to motivate yourself to motivate your child to get to bed on time :-)
<beneroth>
T
<clacke[m]>
well said beneroth
<beneroth>
well, your childs question "WHY" should not kick you into an existential reflection (though its probably good when it does) ^^
<beneroth>
thanks, same to you.
<freeemint>
Thanks for giving me your insights but if the insights where supposed to flip a switch it has not happened yet
<beneroth>
changes are not made with switches. if changes can be made visible by flip of a switch, then only because of long previous work of planning the circuit and laying all the required cables.
<beneroth>
bad habits are changed by fighting them backwards up a staircase, step by step with heavy beatings.
<beneroth>
don't try to change too much too fast. then you will fail, naturally, and then you likely will use it as an excuse to not try anymore.
<freeemint>
ok ...
<clacke[m]>
there is no switch
<beneroth>
similarly, try to reduce your perfectionism. perfectionism leads you towards setting your goals unachievable high, again leading to the excuse that you don't have a chance so you never really start.
<clacke[m]>
and I'm afraid others telling you what to do doesn't do much in the short term
<freeemint>
i guess i use about 7% of my free time productivly
<clacke[m]>
reprogramming oneself is a slow process, habits run deep
<clacke[m]>
I'm only slightly better at this than I was 15 years ago
<freeemint>
how much of your time do you use productivly?
<beneroth>
maybe the problem is not even in cutting back another activity, but maybe make your current time slots more focussed. e.g. when doing productive stuff, look that there is a longer timeframe reserved for that.
<freeemint>
my problem is that i waste to much time consuming "easy content"
<freeemint>
be it Youtube, news.ycominator.com or comics
<beneroth>
so.. procrastination? try to identify what the task (or the part of task) is, you try to push away this way.
<beneroth>
also, in general, do the the hardest tasks first. needs willpower, but the it's the easy stuff you can easily delay and push away, the hard stuff should at the beginning.
<beneroth>
you will get better at this by routine. after you have forced yourself to do something you wanted to avoid (but need doing), you will find out that usually it never is that hard as you thought. with some repeats you will be able to tell yourself "it will not be that hard, it only feels/looks hard before doing it"
<beneroth>
I have similar problems on most days. sometimes I spend to way much time with meaningful reading instead of more-meaningful getting stuff done.
<beneroth>
you can learn and train to get a better handling on this.
<beneroth>
you don't lack talent. you probably lack training and routine.
<beneroth>
all successful people have such problems. that's part of the hard work which is not visible.
<freeemint>
does is boil down to somethung else than: act like you deserve the greatness you strive for and do not put stones in your way
<beneroth>
it boils down to success comes from work, not talent you might have or not. so do not despair when you think you don't have talent and no chance: work on yourself if you want to achieve something. the specific "something" might actually change, but without work you will not achieve it. talent without work does not achieve anything.
<freeemint>
?
<beneroth>
well you failed that math test whatever. so you can A) believe that you just happen to be bad at math. so you are not fitted for math, so better change class. Or you can believe B) you need to do something with your math skills and/or math learning techniques, work on it, and you will achieve your goals.
<freeemint>
so how do you stay away from time eating non-work attractors?
<beneroth>
a mix of making it harder to yourself to switch to them, and (I think the focus should be here) be consciousness why do you this work. use reminders (post-its, alarm clocks, whatever) do not forget and stay on task.
<freeemint>
i tried that and it worked but i did not do it again
<freeemint>
How can a person who.is close to me support me on my.journey
<freeemint>
@childs: clacke[m] i guess it easier to care and feel responsible for your child than yourself ...
<beneroth>
partly, as taking care of someone else is a way to procrastinate own problems away.
<beneroth>
but I think one can only really take care well of others if one also manages to take care of oneself
<beneroth>
hard to generalise in any way, tough
<beneroth>
if you have other people you love and care about, than you take care of yourself not only for your sake but for them, too
<freeemint>
ok how can a person who cares about me support me?
<beneroth>
difficult question, without knowing any specifics. remind you of your tasks? talk with you about it to motivate you? give you the time/room needed? support you with the task at hand (if able to do so) or support you indirectly by doing something you would need to do otherwise, so you can focus on the more important task?
<freeemint>
what specifics would you need?
<clacke[m]>
I find that the best people can do in terms of support is to not get in the way, not disparage, notnheap more obligations, maybe possibly sometimes nudge a little bit, but not too much
<beneroth>
T
<clacke[m]>
and yes, offloading
<freeemint>
offloading?
<beneroth>
they can help you to find the door, they can try to not stand in your way, they can try to remove stuff which blocks the way, but in the end: you have to go through the door yourself. no way around that.
<beneroth>
freeemint, e.g. go buying groceries or washing your clothes so you have free time for your more important task
<clacke[m]>
the worst situation is you have a problem, someone decides to push you to do it, it doesn't help, they get upset, now you have two problems
<beneroth>
T
<beneroth>
and you don't want to hinder other people in their goals/tasks by offloading too much to them
<freeemint>
My day is not to short but i must go trough doors more quickly "mit dem Kopf durch die Wand hilft nicht"
<clacke[m]>
remobing other work for you
<beneroth>
yeah, try to plan your time better. make slots for work and slots for reading in the internet etc
<clacke[m]>
actually what I described is the second worst situation. the worst is you are actually dealing with things and prioritizing and it's going well, and someone decides that you're procrastinating something that simply was neither urgent nor important and you would get around to it in time without any problem
<freeemint>
i am trying a new pomodoro app and i see in 5 mimutes whether the calender integration works in push direczion
<beneroth>
clacke[m], T
<beneroth>
freeemint, do that. just check from time to time that you don't spend too much time trying out an app (another way of procrastination).
<beneroth>
also a physical real kitchen alarm clock might work better. the physical act of interacting with the thing might be a better ritual/tool to mark the beginning and end of a "serious getting things done" timeslot
<freeemint>
can you recommend anything?
<beneroth>
anywhat?
<freeemint>
any app, any kitchen timer, any terminal programm, any web service?
<beneroth>
I can't. I physical kitchen timer might work better than an app, but maybe an app or service which has additional features helps you more. Dunno. You have to try it out.
<beneroth>
start with the simplest thing. so if you already have an app, work with it. or if you have already a kitchen timer you can use, start with that instead of spending additional hours searching a good app/service.
<beneroth>
if it doesn't work out (after some days or so), try something else.
<beneroth>
there is not one solution. just find one which works for you.
<freeemint>
encouraging
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<freeemint_>
result: bo app supports my calendar
<freeemint_>
no
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<beneroth>
"attackers need the ability to run code on a victim system, so these attacks will never be used for initial entry into a system. What they do, however, is demonstrate that the isolation boundaries that have long been assumed to exist are rendered somewhat permeable by the speculative execution hardware that is essential to high-performance processors."
<beneroth>
so yeah, cloud (many virtual machines on a single physical ones) and executing untrusted software (e.g. javascript in websites) are somewhat a problems
<beneroth>
nothing new here
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<freemint>
cheers of joy ... i got the Prüfung this year. I got a 3,3 in Physics, average is 3,6.
<Regenaxer>
Congrats freemint!
<freemint>
not good but okayish
<freemint>
sadly i failed in the "Schein" "Elektrotechnik"
<Regenaxer>
TU München?
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<freemint>
Regenaxer, no i am not on the TU-Munich
<freemint>
Why are you asking
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<Regenaxer>
Why not?
<Regenaxer>
I somehow thought so. Mixed something up then
<freemint>
Regenaxer, i am in Ilmenau in Thüringen
<Regenaxer>
Ah, ok :)
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<cess11_>
freemint: Study more. Read and take notes. Write your own calendar and todo-buzzer with pil and Termux-API if you really think it is worthwhile. Math is weird and takes a lot of work, it won't fit if you mostly focus on other things.
<freemint>
thanks
<cess11_>
If you have trouble ditching the news aggregates, learn how they work and how they are financed.
<freemint>
... like how does that help?
<cess11_>
They turn into tools.
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<beneroth>
they were tools before, no? what else?
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<beneroth>
[IT security] somebody using Windows 7? The patch against Meltdown earlier this year opened up a many times more dangerous vulnerability than Meltdown: https://blog.frizk.net/2018/03/total-meltdown.html