#picolisp on 2020-12-24 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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06:50 <Regenaxer> Good morning m_mans!

06:55 <Regenaxer> The third arg in 'curlreq' calls (Ofs) should be 2

06:56 <Regenaxer> But the offset is now used only for '@' anyway

06:56 <m_mans> Regenaxer: good morning!

06:57 <Regenaxer> :)

06:57 <Regenaxer> I would make all bindings passed through `run' private

06:57 <Regenaxer> "Prg" can be written as Prg then

06:57 <Regenaxer> no transients needed

06:58 <Regenaxer> So *Before* any of these symbols is used, e.g. before (de curlreq ... :

06:58 <Regenaxer> (private) (Cmd Prg Ofs Resp RespHeaders ExitCode)

06:58 <m_mans> could you explain a little bit more? Have you changed syntax of 'run'? I remember that you use it in html tags

06:58 <Regenaxer> And, to be perfect, before (de req-get ... :

06:58 <Regenaxer> (private) Params

06:59 <Regenaxer> the syntax did not change

06:59 <Regenaxer> But the env offset was too complicated

06:59 <Regenaxer> and has big runtime overhead

06:59 <m_mans> T

06:59 <Regenaxer> Not needed if private is used

06:59 <Regenaxer> (or transients)

07:00 <Regenaxer> All this is just needed to avoid conflicts

07:00 <m_mans> seems I just need to learn 'private' and friends (never used it before)

07:00 <Regenaxer> eg. if 'Run' is used again in the body

07:00 <m_mans> I see

07:01 <Regenaxer> pil21 uses private in @lib/xhtml.l

07:01 <Regenaxer> most libs in pil21

07:02 <Regenaxer> So in pil21 the offset arg is only for '@'

07:02 <Regenaxer> e.g.

07:02 <m_mans> I suppose 'private' is closely related to namespaces?

07:02 <Regenaxer> (and (something) (req-post ... (... @ ...

07:03 <Regenaxer> yes, exactly

07:03 <Regenaxer> it is an invisible private namespace

07:03 <Regenaxer> just like transients, but more beautiful to read

07:04 <Regenaxer> and, (private) X ... (private) X refers to two *different' X'es

07:05 <m_mans> ok, I need to explore all this from ground without haste

07:05 <Regenaxer> yes, no hurry

07:05 <m_mans> thanks for the help!

07:06 <Regenaxer> welcome!

07:06 <Regenaxer> Please try and ask :)

07:07 <Regenaxer> afp bbl

07:08 <m_mans> I think, it would be nice to mention all ways of http(s) interaction to external world, possible in pil

07:08 <m_mans> I mean in the article

07:11 <Regenaxer> ret

07:11 <m_mans> 'client', 'ssl' and their usage limits (just pair of words and links to the source/docs). It would help newbies a lot (I hope)

07:12 <Regenaxer> Very true

07:12 <Regenaxer> but a lot of stuff :(

07:13 <m_mans> just mentioning of functions/tools can help a lot

07:13 <Regenaxer> yes

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07:14 <Regenaxer> Optimal are articles like your curlreq, showing examples

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08:11 <Regenaxer> tankf33der: I set "PIL = ../pil" in src/Makefile

08:11 <tankf33der> ok

08:11 <Regenaxer> What do you think, should we do "PIL = pil" ?

08:11 <Regenaxer> Perhaps later?

08:12 <Regenaxer> I don't remember why we used ../pil

08:12 <tankf33der> not to mix with pil64

08:13 <Regenaxer> Yeah, but it builds fine with pil64 too

08:13 <Regenaxer> Question is what is most portable

08:13 <Regenaxer> lets keep ../pil for now

08:13 <tankf33der> ok

08:14 <Regenaxer> I'm still waiting for Debian ... takes long

08:26 <tankf33der> you should not wait

08:27 <Regenaxer> Wait with?

08:27 <tankf33der> with package update

08:27 <Regenaxer> hmm, I did not wait (?N

08:27 <Regenaxer> )

08:28 <Regenaxer> pil21 -> picoLisp-21.1 will be in 2021

08:28 <tankf33der> ok

08:28 <Regenaxer> some time

08:29 <Regenaxer> Initial plan was some time during 2021, perhaps even at the end of the year

08:29 <Regenaxer> so we were a lot faster than planned

08:29 <tankf33der> :)

08:29 <Regenaxer> (a lot because of your help)

08:30 <Regenaxer> you pushed me ;)

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