00:00 <slfritchie> Welcome, zetashift. I've not tried the Windows version of the compiler & runtime, sorry. If you're already a bit familiar with Docker and sharing a bit of the host's file system inside of the Docker container and also using the Linux bits inside of the container, then trying the Docker route should be comfortable. Except the new-language-learning parts.

00:02 <zetashift> I'm coming from a hobbyist Elixir, Nim(did Rust too but I didn't like it) background, so I think learning Pony will be fun. I usually have trouble putting the program I have in my head in code.

00:02 <zetashift> I have no experience with Docker. Guess I'll try it out

00:06 <slfritchie> I'm a long-time Erlang user & occasional BEAM runtime hacker. Adjusting to Pony style actors is both easy and very different from Erlang & Elixir.

00:11 <zetashift> That sounds intimidating

00:11 <zetashift> But the challenge makes it fun eh?

00:14 <slfritchie> Yes.

00:42 <zetashift> aaannddd my hello world works. I used the bintray latest release, cause Docker crashed on me(probably cause I have Go installed, I got a GOPATH error)

00:45 <jemc> glad to hear bintray worked for you

00:45 <jemc> and welcome!

00:46 <jemc> please feel free to ask around here if you run into other trouble - we're not always fast at answering, but we try to be friendly and helpful :)

00:47 <zetashift> yea no biggy I make stupid mistakes anyway which solves if I just look at it better

00:56 <SeanTAllen> welcome zetashift !

00:56 <zetashift> heya Sean, how's it going?

00:59 <SeanTAllen> is it friday yet?

00:59 <SeanTAllen> that's about how i'm feeling at the moment.

01:00 <zetashift> Haha, always think happy thoughts

01:00 <SeanTAllen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

01:02 <jemc> same here... definitely felt like today should have been a friday

01:07 <zetashift> well it's friday where I am

01:08 <SeanTAllen> lucky lucky

01:08 <SeanTAllen> australia?

01:08 <SeanTAllen> i woke up and thought it was Friday.

01:08 <zetashift> well no 2 AM in the Netherlands ha

01:09 <SeanTAllen> ah

01:09 <SeanTAllen> jtfmumm is also in the netherlands

01:10 <zetashift> a lot of people are asleep now but I took waayy to much coffee 'accidently' while doing uni stuff so I got time

01:26 <jemc> up late learning a new programming language - definitely matches my idea of good time :)

01:28 <zetashift> As I'm not a programmer by day, I enjoy it

01:31 <jemc> well, I'm a programmer by day, but I don't get to have as much fun in my day job as I get to have in my midnight open source quixotic journeys

01:37 <zetashift> Man I've seen some open-source comments/"suggestions" that were just brutal to the makers of the project. But it's always a small percentage

01:38 <SeanTAllen> We try to keep it nice and positive in the Pony community

01:46 <zetashift> Yeah, I really liked how the site was structured and worded(benefits and faults). I like that

01:46 <zetashift> What I don't like is spacemacs throwing an error at me while I'm trying to install ponylang layer

01:56 <SeanTAllen> in theory i maintain the spacemacs layer

01:56 <SeanTAllen> but... its been quite a while since i used it

01:56 <SeanTAllen> ive been using sublime for the most part lately

01:56 <SeanTAllen> i will happily accept PRs to improve any of the emacs related stuff i maintain

01:59 <zetashift> I'll see if I can fix this not sure if it's the layer

02:01 <SeanTAllen> i love(d) spacemacs but it was always rather flakey

02:04 <zetashift> I love the keybindings, unfortunately I couldn't recreate them in VSCode.

02:09 <zetashift> @SeanTAllen : removing everything pony-snippets related worked

02:10 <zetashift> so this is my current packages.el: https://pastebin.com/fngw5xEF

02:11 <SeanTAllen> interesting.

02:11 <SeanTAllen> i wonder if the snippets package is broken temporarily or what.

02:11 <SeanTAllen> definitely dont have time to investigate now.

02:21 <zetashift> I won't be using snippets anyway probably. No biggy

13:50 <codec2> Hi

13:51 <codec2> In the last pony entry, there was a link to this diagram that sum up the reference capbilites subtyping : https://johanneshoff.com/pony-subtypes/pony%20subtypes.svg

13:53 <codec2> What do you think of putting a link in the tutorial, because it basically sum this whole page: https://tutorial.ponylang.org/capabilities/capability-subtyping.html

13:56 <vaninwagen> codec2, good point. Even better would be to host it ourselves so we can make sure it stays there. But we should ask beforehand

13:56 <codec2> sure

13:56 <codec2> the CC-BY on the diagram CC-BY diagram allows us to do that

13:57 <codec2> but we probably give a thanks for the person that dit it anyway

13:57 <vaninwagen> ah ok, if it is fine license-wise, lets craft up a PR for the tutorial :)\

14:01 <codec2> acutally the CC-BY license force you to put a link to the license, but it can be embedded in the tutorial and even modified it there is a need for it