cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: PyPy, the flexible snake (IRC logs: https://quodlibet.duckdns.org/irc/pypy/latest.log.html#irc-end ) | use cffi for calling C | if a pep adds a mere 25-30 [C-API] functions or so, it's a drop in the ocean (cough) - Armin
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<jemius> Hi. Am I getting this right: Using cffi, you always have to specify what a struct is made of. I can not simply import structs from a C-header? You always redefine the struct in the python world, manually?
<pmp-p> afaik you need to know offsets and boundaries from C struct they are system dependant
<pmp-p> at least if you want to access fields from python, otherwise you can just pass an opaque pointer
<jemius> How would I define an opaque pointer?
<jemius> I don't care about accessing fields, it's just a data type generated by C function A, needed by C function B
<pmp-p> i guess that depends on how many times you will require that
<jemius> what, why?
<pmp-p> you can do it manually ( simple as getting/passing an "int" )
<pmp-p> or you have to link a whole C lib like eg SDL2 and it gets a nightmare so you want handle that transparently
<pmp-p> what is your use case ?
<jemius> I need to use the fftw library. That basically consists of creating a fftw_plan (a pointer) and passing it to several functions
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<pmp-p> the pointer is just an int to pass then
<pmp-p> ffi will convert it to 4 or 8 bytes automatically
<jemius> wouldn't it be far better to have a pointer type for that?
<pmp-p> yeah that's "pointer boxing" but it's slower at runtime
<jemius> That's confusing
<pmp-p> indeed
<jemius> What would be the least dangerous way to pass complex-arrays to a C function? Will python-complex and c-complex automatically match?
<pmp-p> converting from python objects can be tricky
<arigo> pmp-p: no, "pointer boxing" is not slower at runtime
<arigo> jemius: if you have a type "pointer to opaque structure", just say this in the cdef():
<arigo> typedef struct ... *myptr_t;
<pmp-p> arigo: you're problably right, i got that from someone saying NaN boxing was faster
<arigo> with literally dot-dot-dot
<arigo> jemius: sorry, that's not exactly it
<arigo> typedef ... *myptr_t;
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<pmp-p> :(
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<jewe37> hello, according to the cppyy docs https://cppyy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installation.html#c-standard-with-pip cppyy only supports c++14 for windows. is there any workaround for that and if not, is there any data for when c++17 support will be released?
<arigo> jewe37: the cppyy author is not here, may I suggest the places listed on https://cppyy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/bugs.html ?
<jewe37> i see, will do. it seemed to me cppyy was chiefly a pypy project so i thought this place might work for asking a question
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