DocScrutinizer05 changed the topic of #qi-hardware to: Copyleft hardware - http://qi-hardware.com | hardware hackers join here to discuss Ben NanoNote, atben / atusb 802.15.4 wireless, and other community driven hw projects | public logging at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs and http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware
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<mwcampbell> Is it true that the Ben has a built-in microphone as well as a speaker?
<kristianpaul> yup
<mwcampbell> Is audio part of the XBurst SoC, or is it provided by a separate hardware component?
<kristianpaul> I think is part of the SoC yes
<mwcampbell> Has anyone measured the minimum latency of audio I/O on the Ben, particularly when audio is going in both directions at the same time?
<mwcampbell> (presumably using headphones for output, to avoid feedback)
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<kristianpaul> hmm dunno, i remenber some discussion on the mailing list but not sure if that included audio latency
<mwcampbell> Does the stock OpenWrt image on the Ben have Ethernet-over-USB and telnetd enabled by default?
<kristianpaul> just first time you run it
<kristianpaul> so you can set root passwd if i remenber well
<mwcampbell> So on the first boot, if I've connected the Ben to a Linux PC and set up the host according to the USB Ethernet instructions, I'll be able to telnet into the Ben without having to do anything on the device's console?
<mwcampbell> (except power it on of course)
<kristianpaul> yes you should
<mwcampbell> Given that the keyboard is so small, I wonder how many words per minute one can type on it, and whether it can be done effectively by touch only.
<mwcampbell> (I get my Ben in a few days)
<kristianpaul> ah good (got Ben), wellcome :-)!
<kristianpaul> i dint wrote too much on mine so i cant said honestly
<unclouded> I prefer the Ben's keyboard to that of my N900 but it's not the same as a real keyboard of course
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<mwcampbell> Did the Ben's price increase sometime in the past year? I read a couple of places that it was $99, but I got mine for $149 from Sharism.
<mwcampbell> Also, just curious, is Sharism the manufacturer or simply the main distributor?
<kristianpaul> yes it was 99 before
<kristianpaul> sharism/qi-hw actually free the device specs, electronic diagrams, software ports
<kristianpaul> but the device was not design by sharism it self
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<mwcampbell> I just found the mailing list post from last May when the price increase was announced. Good to know they have a third product in the works.
<mwcampbell> I briefly thought about buying the Milkymist One since the core is completely open, but a pocket computer interested me more than a video synthesizer.
<mwcampbell> plus the Milkymist is expensive
<kristianpaul> Why you buyed the Ben?
<mwcampbell> I'm interested in a pocket computer that's designed to be hacked, as opposed to a locked-down, proprietary device.
<mwcampbell> I'm not sure what application(s) I will write for it yet
<mwcampbell> probably something involving audio
<mwcampbell> I'm not a hardware hacker, though I've done low-level assembler coding in the past
<mwcampbell> (a long time ago, on an Apple IIGS, and then some x86 assembler on the PC)
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<mwcampbell> I wonder how many NanoNotes Sharism/Qi-Hardware had to commit to making and selling in order to get the price as low as it is. Just curious about how all that works.
<mwcampbell> I have a product idea that could be done with that SoC but would require a somewhat different hardware design (different keyboard, maybe no screen)
<mwcampbell> The idea is a pocket computer designed for blind people, using a braille keyboard (total of 9 keys)
<kristianpaul> I remenber i heard orders about of thousands per batch, no sure, altought if that amount really can keep prices low to be honest.
<mwcampbell> These things already exist. They're usually called note-takers, because they were first used for taking notes, especially by blind students, though more recent ones have PDA-like functionality
<mwcampbell> the existing devices in this category are mostly Windows CE based, and expensive
<mwcampbell> When I get my Ben, one of the first things I'll do is find out if it can run the espeak text-to-speech program
<mwcampbell> Anyone know of a way to add Bluetooth to the Ben?
<kristianpaul> since the lack of usb host, just remain a serial port or UBB bit banging
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<kristianpaul> n8
<kristianpaul> gn8*
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<kyak> mwcampbell: i suggest that you start with exploration of existing capabilities
<kyak> fo example it ships with flute
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<kyak> wgich btw is integrated with qstardict
<kyak> i mean, dont waste your time inventing a wheel
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<kyak> oh, that would be flite
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<kristianpaul> whitequark: yup they are
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<lekernel> oops
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<whitequark> hm
<whitequark> it seems to be a lower-level variant of verilog
<whitequark> not sure what the point is
<lekernel> no proprietary synthesis, mapping and p&r
<lekernel> just proprietary xdl->bitstream
<whitequark> lekernel: source?
<whitequark> it strikes me as having extremely simple source for the project of such scale
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<whitequark> I mean it's 2.5 KLOC of C++
<whitequark> I significantly doubt it does anything interesting on its own
* whitequark is browsing the source right now
<lekernel> it smoothes away some xdl ugliness
<lekernel> not sure if c++
<lekernel> is so much better though ;)
<whitequark> lekernel: the source is horrible but that's not the point
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