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<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/: echo back TX ACK sequence number; don't panic if driver times out TX (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/367c1ab
<wpwrak> nice. atusb can now overrun atben :)
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<kyak> (global variables in tcc) the last message from Rob is very valid. I just don't understand why he can't as easily expand it to multiple C files
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<larsc> hm, I find it real hard to say whether this was a April fools joke or not http://www.meetingcpp.com/index.php/br/items/a-look-at-c14-papers-part-2.html
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<viric> wpwrak: what do you think of the answer? http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/tinycc-devel/2013-04/threads.html
<viric> I think I agree with Rob
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<wpwrak> viric: seems that K&R leaves this indeed somewhat unclear. but they also mention that it's commonly extended to multiple translation (compilation) units. not sure if later standards take a more explicit position there.
<viric> well, K&R (and c99, it's the same paragraph) talk explicitly about translation unit
<viric> "If no definition for the object appears in the
<viric> translation unit, all its tentative definitions become a single
<viric> definition with initializer 0."
<viric> So, *in a translation unit*, it ends up becoming *a definition*.
<wpwrak> K&R also mention the whole program in the footnote
<viric> wpwrak: what section?
<wpwrak> indented paragraph in small italics at the end of A10.2
<wpwrak> page 227 (K&R 2nd Ed.)
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<kyak> i think this equally applies to multiple translation units
<kyak> i don't see a reason why it has to be different
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<whitequark> are you *still* discussing `int a;`?!
<Fallenou_> that's a pretty complex C instruction
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<kyak> i can't help noticing that the whole discussion took place on the 1st of April :)
<kyak> so people from tcc might have taken it as a joke anyway :)
<viric> :)
<viric> wpwrak: right I see the paragraph
<viric> "Some implementations relax it by generalizing the notion of tentative definition."
<viric> wpwrak: but iso C99 has the writing more like applying only to a single translation unit
<kyak> doesn't matter, because "it is in effect identical to the one stated here"
<kyak> tcc needs a lawyer :)
<viric> wpwrak: in fact, that 2nd edition says: "For objects with external linkage, it applies to the entire program. "
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<wpwrak> whitequark: who cares about tcc anyway ? ;-)
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<LunaVorax> Hi!
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<wpwrak> kewl. seems that the flooding of buenos aires even killed the mobile networks. that doesn't ususally happen.
<wpwrak> or rather, made them reset, kicking out subscribers. cycling the phone seems to bring back the service. tough technology :)
<whitequark> eh GSM
<whitequark> *blargh*
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