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<mth>
larsc: don't we need the DMA engine running earlier than "module" time for the (S)LCD drivers?
<larsc>
no
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<larsc>
with probe deferal this will all work nicely
<mth>
is that something new?
<mth>
because I had to force for example the I2C driver to be probed earlier to make sure it was ready for other drivers to use
<mth>
also I'm not sure if you saw this one yesterday: you could use devm_request_irq in the last DMA patch, now that DMA is a device
<larsc>
Yes, it is something new
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<mth>
but that could lead to the (S)LCD driver to be postponed to very late in the boot process?
<mth>
I'd like to have it up and running as soon as possible, to give feedback about the boot to the user
<larsc>
the difference will maybe be half a second
<mth>
in the case of OpenDingux' super minimal boot loader, the (S)LCD driver is even the first sign of life from the device
<mth>
well, except the power LED, but the A320 doesn't have one (the Zero does, but on the prototype hardware it doesn't work)
<mth>
I know there is no guarantee the (S)LCD driver will be probed early even if it doesn't have to defer, but I was hoping to be able to force that with a relatively simple hack
<larsc>
Lets see how well it works, we can still change it later
<hellekin>
viric: wouldn't be too complicated to add graphics capabilities to a sheevaplug to make it the first FSF-endorsed SBC, or maybe turn the Nanonote into an SBC edition?
<hellekin>
or maybe we need to kick asses and tell the Nouveau developers to work on a free chip instead of nVidia (remembering lekernel meeting curro in Berlin and red bulleting him on wasting his brains on proprietary hw)
<hellekin>
viric: the {sheeva,guru,dream}plugs still use ARM, so although they run free software, they still run on proprietary hw, right?
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<larsc>
hellekin: there is no board with doesn't have some kind of proprietary hw
<hellekin>
larsc: even the nanonote and the milkymist?
<hellekin>
even openmoko?
<larsc>
yes
<viric>
sure
<whitequark>
get yourself a LED
<whitequark>
it's proprietary
<larsc>
exactly
<larsc>
or a resistor
<whitequark>
well, you can make resistors yourself, it's not that hard
<whitequark>
LEDs, on the other hand, you likely cannot
<larsc>
but the resistor on the board is proprietary
<whitequark>
yes.
<whitequark>
it's just that at the level of complexity that LEDs have, and their applications, it doesn't matter that much.
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<hellekin>
ah yes, well, we're not yet in the age of home-printed electronics.
<larsc>
but openmoko, etc also use ARM chips
<larsc>
so they aren't any different from the *plug in that regard
<whitequark>
openmoko in particular used a very bad GPU
<whitequark>
not just non-free, but also quite crappy
* larsc
wrote the xorg driver for it
<whitequark>
unlike eg Mali in Exynos
<larsc>
although only 2d acceleration
<whitequark>
(though, rpi with its powervr continues that nice practice)
<larsc>
the most painfull thing about the gpu chip was that it also was the mmc host controller and only connected via a slow 16 bit bus to the main cpu
<larsc>
the graphics performance of the gta01 was better
<larsc>
although there was no acceleration at all
<hellekin>
oh, something quite different, but that shocked me two days ago. I went to a computer shop to pick up a restored motherboard. I took the opportunity to ask for the availability of mSATA SSD to boost my laptop.
<whitequark>
lemme guess
<whitequark>
thinkpad?
<hellekin>
not only the techie didn't know about mSATA SSD, but he explained me that importing such electronics in Argentina, although the country does not produce them, is illegal.
<hellekin>
yes Thinkpad :)
<whitequark>
oh, that.
<whitequark>
hellekin: afaik, thinkpad does the VID/PID lock thingy
<whitequark>
so you have to patch BIOS in order to boot it with non-thinkpad memory, HDD, ...
<larsc>
I have a ssd in my thinkpad
<larsc>
random ssd
<larsc>
and I also had non thinkpad ram in one of my older thinkpads
<larsc>
and HDD as well
<whitequark>
maybe it's a recent thing
<hellekin>
whitequark: oh that would explain why I couldn't boot from the SD card
<viric>
what are "such electronics" that can't be imported?
<hellekin>
viric: anything that is supposedly not produced in Argentina
<hellekin>
like pacemakers :P
<viric>
You can only import things that are produced in aregntina?
<hellekin>
viric: no you can't import shit. Well, it's very restricted and very controlled. Ask werner how he feels about it.
<hellekin>
that is, if there's an Argentinian production, you can't import an equivalent (or often better) foreign version.
<viric>
it's weird that you are banned to import specifically those things *not* produced in the country.
<hellekin>
except that for electronics and chemicals, they tend to forbid by default
<viric>
AH
<hellekin>
viric: yes, that's a weird country
<viric>
then it's the opposite of what you said
<viric>
You can't import what *is* supposedly produced in Argentina
<viric>
you said "what is *not* produced".
<hellekin>
ah yes sorry
<larsc>
and if you are allowed to import you still have to pay a 100% tax
<hellekin>
yes, and now they limited people from buying more than USD100 of goods outside the country per month or trimester
<viric>
well, here all local products are more expensive than foreign products.
<hellekin>
viric: where is here?
<viric>
it's all very unbalanced
<viric>
hellekin: European Union
<viric>
that isn't a good situation either
<hellekin>
yeah, they tend to pay the workers
<viric>
hellekin: when there are jobs to do.
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<larsc>
they put up a high tax on importing solar panels recently
<hellekin>
not in Spain :]
<hellekin>
WTF? These politicians are so backwards.
<viric>
here it's forbidden in many places, to have solar panels
<hellekin>
forbidden? I don't remember it was forbidden in France or Germany
<larsc>
hellekin: this was done because chinese panels are highly subsidized
<viric>
Local laws. They damage the 'picture' of the countryside.
<hellekin>
in France, the surplus electricity you produced used to be bought at a high price
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<larsc>
viric: but the pollution from power plants doesnt?
<hellekin>
larsc: ah. Fair then. Too bad Africa won't tax imported dairies and food from EU
<viric>
larsc: no, doesn't. :)
<hellekin>
viric: polluticians. Polluticians.
<viric>
Here the electricity is very expensive, because the government had a deal with the deployment of gas-power-plants.
<viric>
(I talk about the whole Spain)
<viric>
lots of gas power plants were deployed, at the same time when people started to deploy renewable energy (solar plants, windmills, ...)
<hellekin>
hmmm... This VID/PID lock is going to bother me I guess. Looking at the Thinkpad forums, it all talks about Windows. Of course, I don't know, have, nor want Windows. All I want is to boot on an mSATA SSD
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<hellekin>
maybe I should supply my data to Coreboot ASAP :]
<viric>
The peak energy used in the country is half the capacity of production
<hellekin>
so electricity should be cheap
<viric>
But in the energy market, the renewables start selling at very low price (it's free for them to produce electricitY)
<hellekin>
yep
<hellekin>
an example of (again) bad political planning
<viric>
And only if the renewables don't produce enough, the oil, gas, etc... take part, and the price gets higher in the auction
<viric>
BUT
<viric>
the government had the deal with the gas plants. So, we all have to pay the non-working gas plants .
<hellekin>
the rich should pay for the failures of the governments
<viric>
Moreover, the public messages about the "high price of energy" are about "renewable energies are too expensive".
<hellekin>
so that they have an incentive to make the policies work better
<hellekin>
for all
<viric>
so all gets upside dow
<viric>
n
<apelete>
hellekin: what thinkpad model do you have the lock problem on ? I was thinking about buying a thinkpad lately, to replace my aging X60
<hellekin>
fucking propaganda. OK, I need to cut short this conversation or I will end up burning a flag :]
<viric>
we should every day burn a flag
<hellekin>
apelete: I didn't test it yet, so I don't know whether there's an issue. It's a T430. Works like a charm so far. Won't boot on an SD card, but USB is fine. When I have the mSATA I can update you
<hellekin>
+1 viric
<viric>
but that'd take you to prison :)
<hellekin>
although it would become a senseless habit pretty fast
<viric>
hellekin: you may want to watch this...
<hellekin>
one night, I was drunk, I stole a flag in a border town. I thought it was the local flag. I wanted to burn it. But then in the morning I realize it was the other side's flag. That made it to local papers. All kinds of speculations went on about it. I created jobs!
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<wpwrak>
hellekin: (import restriction) naw, that doesn't sound right. as an individual, you can import most things. just make sure they don't connect to mains.
<hellekin>
wpwrak: mains?
<wpwrak>
hellekin: the USD 100 restriction is for cash withdrawal at ATMs, not for general card use. if you use cash back (where available), you can even circumvent that.
<hellekin>
ah interesting. Good to know
<hellekin>
I've heard this morning from a neighbor that sales at shops, including supermarkets, dropped drsatically in the last couple of weeks
<wpwrak>
(mains) anything > ~50 V
<hellekin>
ah
<hellekin>
so I can order a miraplug and it won't cost me an eye?
<wpwrak>
what's a miraplug ?
<hellekin>
like a sheevaplug, but with 2 ethernet ports
<hellekin>
and wifi
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<wpwrak>
sheevaplug connects to mains ...
<hellekin>
hmmm, but that's 12V. OK I get it.
<hellekin>
At least I should be able to import an mSATA SSD :P
<hellekin>
well, if they don't tax it like crazy
<wpwrak>
you generally pay around 50% of the declared value
<wpwrak>
oh, and make sure the total value of the shipment doesn't exceed USD 1000
<hellekin>
nah, that's a 150$ thingie
<wpwrak>
(12 V) if it operates with 12 V and does not include a wall wart, mains cable, or mains plug, you should be safe
<hellekin>
I got in touch with someone who's into drones
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