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nicksydney >
only in China :)
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wpwrak >
hmm, he should have used matte paint. too many highlights
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nicksydney >
now it's a matter of time before this will appear on eBay with FREE shipping :)
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wpwrak >
FOB somewhere in the hinterlands of china
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nicksydney >
tax free :)
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nicksydney >
once i have my own place :)
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wpwrak >
you mean after kicking out wife and kids ? :)
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nicksydney >
wpwrak: hahahaaa.....before i do that they will kick me out :)
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DocScrutinizer05 >
thanks
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DocScrutinizer05 >
uh, NC
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DocScrutinizer05 >
100uF, what you're using?
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wpwrak >
flat ones :)
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wpwrak >
i only have 1 mm
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wpwrak >
well, a bit of wiggle room. but not a lot.
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DocScrutinizer05 >
you're puzzling me, U3 table on page 2, but no U3
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wpwrak >
ah yes, s/U3/U2/ :)
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DocScrutinizer05 >
C13 is either 4u7 or 10u on table, but 1u on page3. And I doubt you'll change that one accordng to some U3
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wpwrak >
or no, i don't have to move 'em. they're already at a safe spot.
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wpwrak >
ah, i see what happened. i renumbered but forgot to update the table :(
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DocScrutinizer05 >
C9, C18, C27. fun!
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* DocScrutinizer05
waits for C36
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wpwrak >
didn't want to renumber AGAIN ;-)
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DocScrutinizer05 >
suggestion: number all components on sheet 1 like 100, 101 etc, generally 100+N. On page 2 200+N and so on
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wpwrak >
i tried that but didn't like the enormous numbers
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DocScrutinizer05 >
aaaw
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DocScrutinizer05 >
it#s awesome, no searching, no renumbering
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wpwrak >
maybe in a future version, when i add a dozen more components or so :)
04:26
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DocScrutinizer05 >
goes a looong way to make stuff easier and clear to see
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DocScrutinizer05 >
you can even tell from BOM which components belong together
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DocScrutinizer05 >
I guess you never coded BASIC with a silly interpreter that needed line numbers, eh? ;-)
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wpwrak >
oh, i did. and RENUM wasn't the most reliable command ...
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DocScrutinizer05 >
the better ones of those critters came with a renumber(range, new-start-number, increment) command
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wpwrak >
there's no language too basic to not get referential integrity wrong ...
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DocScrutinizer05 >
hehe
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wpwrak >
yes. and sometimes it was subtly broken :)
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DocScrutinizer05 >
oh dear, those were the times...
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wpwrak >
i still fondly remember the 3-pass pascal compiler. pascal/z i think. you learned the true meaning of patience in those days ...
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DocScrutinizer05 >
"WUT? Too slow? you b***ard! Here take those hex codes instead of your crappy basic!"
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DocScrutinizer05 >
I knew complete Z80 opcodes by heart back when
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wpwrak >
i don't think i reached the terminal stage of that
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DocScrutinizer05 >
0xC3 must be a jump, 0xCD a subroutine call, and 0xC9 a return
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DocScrutinizer05 >
DJNZ, awesome
04:36
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DocScrutinizer05 >
felt lke 3rd generation ;-P
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wpwrak >
but wasn't NOP 0x90 .. ah no, that's already x86
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wpwrak >
indeed. very cisc :)
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DocScrutinizer05 >
we all frowned at 8088 back when. It been generally attributed as being braindead
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DocScrutinizer05 >
segment register dressing, OMG!
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DocScrutinizer05 >
adressing*
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DocScrutinizer05 >
meh
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wpwrak >
it's funny to find the 8088 mentioned in an 8080 manual :)
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DocScrutinizer05 >
8086, 8088, I can't even recall what's been the diff
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DocScrutinizer05 >
the 8086 been 16bit or sth?
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DocScrutinizer05 >
even maybe 24bit addr bus?
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DocScrutinizer05 >
20?
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wpwrak >
8088 and 8086 are the same except for the bus width. 16 bit, both. 8088 had an 8 bit data bus.
04:41
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DocScrutinizer05 >
aaah yes
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DocScrutinizer05 >
right, the double fetches
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DocScrutinizer05 >
Zilog also built a successor of Z80, can't recall the name. Maybe Z800 or Z8000
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nicksydney >
reading DocScrutinizer05 and wpwrak feels like 2 old mates who were separated apart during World War 2 :)
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DocScrutinizer05 >
well, it was OM-war 1
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nicksydney >
sounds pre-historic :)
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nicksydney >
wpwrak: have you ever used busybox ?
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nicksydney >
trying to make sense the syslogd inside busybox
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kyak >
what's with syslogd?
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nicksydney >
kyak: tried configuring it to read kernel logs but can't seem to work .. is it possible to use it to read kernel logs ? like how dmesg is doing ? planning to use syslogd to do log rotation for the kernel logs (busybox syslogd)
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kyak >
nicksydney: i'm not sure.. in openwrt, syslogd handles messages from system (which you can read with logread). Kernel logs are left for dmesg
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DocScrutinizer05 >
ksyslogd
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nicksydney >
kyak: hmmmm.....maybe syslogd in busybox is different than the standard Linux syslogd i presume
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nicksydney >
DocScrutinizer05: in busybox it's called syslogd .. no ksyslogd
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kyak >
nicksydney: it sure is.. syslogd is just a part of busybox binary
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DocScrutinizer05 >
I for the life of mine couldn't figure how busybox provides syslogd
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nicksydney >
DocScrutinizer05: from the code i read it open an xsocket to /dev/syslog and wait for some incoming...but when tried to use echo or cat'ing to it ..doesn't work..throws an error
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kyak >
it seems that klogd may help
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DocScrutinizer05 >
I'd for sure rather use proper syslog-ng instead of that messybox crap
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nicksydney >
kyak: klogd doesn't do file rotating
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kyak >
on small capability devices you often can't use "proper"
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DocScrutinizer05 >
neither does syslogd
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DocScrutinizer05 >
IroN900:~# ll `which syslogd`
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DocScrutinizer05 >
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27360 2009-08-17 12:02 /sbin/syslogd
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DocScrutinizer05 >
_not_ integrated into busybox, despite it's a 100% busybox based system
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DocScrutinizer05 >
IroN900:~# ll `which busybox`
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DocScrutinizer05 >
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 355592 2012-08-24 19:20 /bin/busybox
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nicksydney >
DocScrutinizer05: so it's ARM compiled ? using glibc ?
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DocScrutinizer05 >
27k for the real thing vs 355k for messybox. Sure it's not directly comparable to memory footprint and resource demand
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kyak >
DocScrutinizer05: and now ls -la /sbin/syslogd
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kyak >
/sbin/syslogd -> ../bin/busybox
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DocScrutinizer05 >
I'm not a fool
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DocScrutinizer05 >
IroN900:~# ls -la /sbin/syslogd
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DocScrutinizer05 >
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27360 2009-08-17 12:02 /sbin/syslogd
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kyak >
you surely are not :)
07:39
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DocScrutinizer05 >
btw you should see from missing "l" and "-" instead
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DocScrutinizer05 >
resp -rwxr-xr-x
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DocScrutinizer05 >
michael_lee: sure
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DocScrutinizer05 >
sorry
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DocScrutinizer05 >
nicksydney: sure
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nicksydney >
i need to use busybox because it's part of Android so need to use something that can be compiled with bionic
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DocScrutinizer05 >
IroN900:~# file /sbin/syslogd
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DocScrutinizer05 >
/sbin/syslogd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
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michael_lee >
welcome
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DocScrutinizer05 >
sorry, when i hear "android" I skip to anothr channel
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nicksydney >
DocScrutinizer05: haahha....i figure as much :)
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nicksydney >
DocScrutinizer05: can't help it ..it keeps life chugging along :)
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kyak >
let's see how long is the effect of word "android" on DocScrutinizer05 …
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kyak >
oh no, i just reset the timer :)
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nicksydney >
it's cool that ARM SoC from China always comes out with pin-to-pin compatible
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nicksydney >
US / Europe SoC player must learn and apply to their product make it easier for OEM :)
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wpwrak >
(busybox) who hasn't ? :)
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wpwrak >
newsflasgh: Allwinner releases new A11, pin-to-pin compatible to PDP-11 :)
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nicksydney >
wpwrak: (PDP-11) they skip that generation :0
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nicksydney >
there are the new millenia
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wpwrak >
sigh, is it coremania time again ?
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wpwrak >
first the GHz race, now coremania ...
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nicksydney >
wpwrak: seems like it...too many cores and not enough Linux :)
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wpwrak >
then you have one core run "flunky hen" while the rest are busy executing sophisticated ultra deep sleep-power-down code ...
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wpwrak >
let's make that "fluffy beak"
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larsc >
that's probably a server chip
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nicksydney >
wpwrak: oh c'mon....can't be that bad...perhaps few cores running Android :)
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nicksydney >
hahaah
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counting timer to see if DocScrutinizer05 going to run or chime in :)
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wpwrak >
that look at 00:01:38 ;-)
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nicksydney >
California Red-Sided Garter Snake
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larsc >
if you have healthy kindeys and stuff I think we can find a better offer for you
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nicksydney >
I don't understand iOS people think that "Terrific to see the Extensions API so that apps can finally talk to each other." is such a great thing.....perhaps they have not heard about Linux :)
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ysionneau >
Android has that since the beginning, that's crazy
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nicksydney >
ysionneau: true !
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ysionneau >
(intent system)
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nicksydney >
ysionneau: oh well iOS people are spoilt brat anyway they won't listen or compromise !
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wpwrak >
damn. standard package 1 unit ? no reels ?
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ysionneau >
I wonder what's so special with this fpga
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ysionneau >
number of RAM or CLB are not so high
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ysionneau >
is it the IO number?
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ysionneau >
1200 balls seems high number
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nicksydney >
interesting to see how many layers PCB is needed to completely route all the pins...my guess is 8 or 12 layers :)
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sb0 >
ysionneau, it's basically for people who have a lot of money. US military, NSA & telcos.
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sb0 >
ysionneau, the cost per CLB ratio in virtex/spartan is much higher than the virtex/spartan performance ratio (in other words: virtex is still slow). they are just targeted at different markets...
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ysionneau >
so Virtex is not that much better
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ysionneau >
but it's really crazily more expensive
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nicksydney >
don't know should be happy, excited, sad or cry ?
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sb0 >
it's like first class seats on planes. costs 3x-20x the price of an economy ticket, but the flight is still slow and to a few exceptions (like beds) not that much more comfortable
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sb0 >
(and yes, flights are slow. the concorde went in the right direction, but unfortunately was stopped)
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sb0 >
airlines puts the costs of flying the plane into a few customers, xilinx pretty much does the same with the virtex series
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sb0 >
*most of the cost
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kristian1aul >
where os the diff??!! ;)
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kristian1aul >
s/os/is
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qi-bot >
kristian1aul meant: "where is the diff??!! ;)"
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wpwrak >
kristianpaul: yeah, sorry. since nobody is maintaining the command-line options anymore, we lost schematics differences :-(
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looks in the general direction of wolfspraul
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larsc >
get rich quick, now is your chance
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whitequark >
sb0: I thought airlines got most of their cash from cargo
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larsc >
on passenger flights?
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whitequark >
in general
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larsc >
I think what sb0 was trying to say that if everybody flew econemy they'd loose money on those flights
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DocScrutinizer05 >
lol, time to go kickstarter with pink Neo900
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dos1 >
"Kickstarter Just Opened the Floodgates to Even More Frauds and Scams" -> "time to go kickstarter with pink Neo900"
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dos1 >
sounds worrying :P
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wpwrak >
i think we should mention the levitation sensor that detects the presence of antigravity fields
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