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<shevy>
test
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<shevy>
anyone has a ruby script that uploads/pastes i.e. a file to gist github?
<bougyman>
gem search -dr gist|more
<bougyman>
there's a ton, it seems.
<bougyman>
the one named 'gist' seems easy
<shevy>
oh cool
<shevy>
thanks bougyman
<bougyman>
there's vim and emacs plugins, too, i fyou're into that.
<shevy>
ah no
<shevy>
I just need something simple so I can upload code to gist quickly from the commandline :)
<darix>
shevy: there is
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<josh9>
sinatra
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<autumn_>
hi guys, i'm trying to dynamically create a unicode codepoint, like "\u" + "1234", but it errors with "invalud unicode escape"
<autumn_>
"\u#{num}" errors similarly
<autumn_>
is there any way to do that?
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<samuelkadolph>
autumn_: \u escapes happens when ruby parses the string and not when it actually runs. So you will need to have "\u1234" or do something like this (https://gist.github.com/1201233) to convert a unicode escape at runtime.
<rippa>
autumn_: [0x1234].pack("U*")
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<autumn_>
ah okay
<autumn_>
thanks a lot samuelkadolph, rippa
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<Ly531291c>
do you think life is like a dvd? all the memories are there, but they cannot all (usu) be accessed at the same time? dreams are permutations of memories?
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<markit>
hi, I need to run bash from my ruby script. To build the command string I do love have #{} substitution, but would love to have just that. If I use %Q[] also \ are intercepted. Is there something that does what I need?
<markit>
so no interpolation/escaping/whatever except only #{} ?
<markit>
ruby 1.8.7
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<Ly531291c>
does < also mean append? or a subclass?
<markit>
Ly531291c: newbie here, but as far as I remember, you append with <<, not <
<erikh>
like with most languages, symbols have different meanings with different contexts
<markit>
I've to leave, bye
<erikh>
in the context of a class declaration, < Does indeed mean "inherit from"
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<erikh>
markit: no, you either get interpolation + escaping or none at all
<erikh>
if you want the effect you desire you'll probably want to use concatenation
<erikh>
e.g., %q[some command '] + some_argument + %q[' some more stuff]
<erikh>
be sure to checkout the Shellwords library if you're going to go that route
<erikh>
(ri Shellwords at your terminal)
<erikh>
\ is an escape character in either case, fwiw -- you can't step around that one
<erikh>
well, not in any fashion that's easy to read at least.
<erikh>
so double-up for escapes you want to pass to bash
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<erikh>
having one of those caffeine fueled moments where I get amped up to write an angry blog about all the things in the ruby community that suck
<erikh>
I know it'll pass in about 30 minutes so I'll just say something here and not waste time on the rest
<apeiros_>
hehe, I know that all too well :D
<burgestrand>
*hug erikh*
<erikh>
heh
<apeiros_>
good idea…
* apeiros_
hugs erikh too :)
<erikh>
the hugs! yay
<burgestrand>
apeiros_: how’d your rubygems idea come along?
<erikh>
apeiros_: oh I have something in that vein if you're interested
<apeiros_>
burgestrand: it hit the christmas tree and both went up burning…
<erikh>
an unfinished implementation of treating gems as jar files
<apeiros_>
burgestrand: no, uh, to be more serious, I got a bit of positive feedback by chris2
<burgestrand>
apeiros_: oh :)
<apeiros_>
I still hope for feedback by drbrain (being the main maintainer of rubygems)
<erikh>
what is it?
<burgestrand>
I couldn’t give any I’m afraid, know too little of that ecosystem to dare voice anything ;)
<apeiros_>
burgestrand: depending on what happens, I intend to push it to the ML and see what reactions I get there
<chris2>
apeiros_: ah yes
<chris2>
apeiros_: you posted that to ruby-talk?
<apeiros_>
chris2: not yet. I thought christmas time is a bad time. I'll wait until ~jan 3rd
<chris2>
apeiros_: i can think of one possible issue
<chris2>
two actually
<apeiros_>
erikh: what is what?
<erikh>
your rubygems stuff
<chris2>
first, with explicit version you'll have true_version, old_version in load-path
* erikh
is intrigued
<chris2>
that could fuck things up if you load files only in the old version
<erikh>
at least it'll definitely be seen that way
<apeiros_>
ah, on the rubygems ML, not the ruby-talk ML? ok
<apeiros_>
good idea
<erikh>
rubygems ML is really low traffic
<apeiros_>
ok, I'll paste it there today then :)
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<markit>
erikh: thanks for your reply :)
<erikh>
enjoy
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<masterkorp>
Any library to source bash files and transport the vars to ruby ?
<shevy>
hmmmm
<shevy>
that sounds quite specialized masterkorp
<shevy>
have not heard of one like that
<shevy>
my solution is to rewrite the bash functionality in ruby :P
<masterkorp>
shevy: making a some bash apps wrapper
<masterkorp>
shevy: i can do that too, but compatibility with exusting tools is a must :D
<mitchty>
so i've done that in perl, gist was shell out to the shell junk, dump its ENV, then merge into the parent proc's ENV, wasn't pretty, even for perl
<shevy>
I see masterkorp
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<shevy>
well you can probably write a tiny ruby lib that just iterates through that file and collect all variables
<shevy>
hmm
<mitchty>
shevy: that doesn't work if its set dynamically :)
<shevy>
waaaah
<shevy>
what the hell are your shell scripts guys :(
<mitchty>
unless you want to write a shell parser in ruby
<masterkorp>
rash :d the shell made in ruby :p
<shevy>
hmm indeed have not thought about ENV
<shevy>
I am surprised that would even work
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<mitchty>
the hack i described is about the easiest way, short of writing bourne/korn/zsh/bourne-again parsers
<shevy>
not from within a ruby script or? like when you use system() ... or will that actively modify ENV?
<mitchty>
nope, just wrap your shell script and at the end just dump env
<shevy>
oh
<mitchty>
then merge in what you want
<mitchty>
gets tricky with PATH and friends, but meh
<mitchty>
and obviously functions won't work
<shevy>
hmmm
<shevy>
my ENV does not seem to be modified when I do
<shevy>
system '/bin/sh test.sh'
<masterkorp>
shevy: try with source or .
<masterkorp>
shevy: sh creates a new ENV
<shevy>
oh
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<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
can markdown be used from within ... a ruby .cgi script
<shevy>
what I mean is something like
<shevy>
in foobar.cgi
<shevy>
read_file('some_markdown_file')
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<erikh>
shevy: look at the kramdown gem
<erikh>
there's also upskirt
<erikh>
IIRC
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<necromancer>
i'm getting the right data but the Content-Type is transferring at text/plain, not application/rss+xml. why is this?
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<TTilus>
necromancer: you don't possibly have content_type or mime_type call elsewhere?
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<TTilus>
(just guesswork)
<necromancer>
TTilus: here is the only place i have it called in my application. note that i am experiencing the proper XML for a podcast as laid out in my erb template (which i can also add to the gist if you need to see it), except transferred as plain text: https://gist.github.com/1521251
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<TTilus>
necromancer: does setting headers work at all?
<necromancer>
TTilus: i thought that's what i was doing right there
<TTilus>
necromancer: can you pass 'X-Testing' => 'foo'
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<TTilus>
necromancer: can you set Content-Type to something else?
<TTilus>
necromancer: does 'Content-Type' => 'application/rss+xml' work with just get '/test' { [200, {'Content-Type' => 'application/rss+xml'}, 'foo'] }
<TTilus>
necromancer: ...just doing guesswork here, trying to find out if theres something failing with headers in general or Content-Type in particular
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<necromancer>
ok
<TTilus>
im way beyond my sinatra-debugging-fu here =D
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<necromancer>
TTilus: i tried [200, {'Content-Type' => 'application/rss+xml'}, 'test post'] and it returned as text/plain
<necromancer>
TTilus: but it turns out the Response Headers are that, it's just my browser (Chrome) doesn't seem to be accepting it...
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<TTilus>
oh, ok :-O
<TTilus>
perhaps they just know better at google =D
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<shevy>
thanks erikh
<shevy>
heeh
<shevy>
chrooooooome
<shevy>
we are the borg
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<rue>
Chrome is the poop.
<whitequark>
is EM stable/fast on JRuby?
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<rue>
II do believe it's stable. I'm not sure if it's particularly fast(er) at any rate
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<bjensen>
is there a performance benefits to using ruby 1.9.3 instead of 1.9.2? If so..any idea how much?
<shevy>
not sure if there were any comparisons
<raggi_>
yes, depends on the app
<yorickpeterse>
require got faster as well
<raggi_>
the GC particularly, i think - haven't tested myself at all, or seen numbers
<raggi_>
just bench em
<shevy>
bjensen, I am trying to look at http://shootout.alioth.debian.org but it seems to not allow the comparison of different ruby version, unless I am missing that
<bjensen>
Im doing a large rails 3.1.3 app
<robgleeson>
then it will be faster
<robgleeson>
for boot, anyway ;)
<robgleeson>
algorithm to scan $LOADED_FEATURES is better, so require is faster
<robgleeson>
and GC changes as well, but I can't remember the specifics.
<shevy>
rails, rails, rails
<shevy>
why is everyone using rails
<any-key>
because we like it
* yorickpeterse
Isn't using Rails
<diegoviola>
yorickpeterse: you're using ramaze?
<yorickpeterse>
I'd say that would be obvious :)
<shevy>
hmm
<diegoviola>
nice, ramaze rocks
<shevy>
any-key, what is it specifically that you like in rails if you have to name just one thing?
<diegoviola>
i like it a lot more than rails
<diegoviola>
ramaze with sequel
<yorickpeterse>
word
<any-key>
shevy: it's a web framework...?
<shevy>
well but so are others
<any-key>
I work on a large rails project and by all means go find me another web framework that can handle it
<any-key>
which ones?
<any-key>
why the hate?
<robgleeson>
it's cool to hate Rails or <insert popular thing here>
<shevy>
what hate man
<yorickpeterse>
I don't think shevy is hatin'
<shevy>
I only hate PHP
<any-key>
what frameworks are you suggesting I use instead of rails?
<yorickpeterse>
PHP is a wonderful thing, don't be hatin'
<shevy>
any-key, doesn't matter. any other one? self written ones?
<yorickpeterse>
(disclaimer: I work with it 5 days a week and hate it)
<any-key>
shevy: why would I write my own?
<any-key>
Ruby allows for rapid and straightforward development, a modular ruby web framework makes me happy
<any-key>
unless I'm twitter and going ROFLScale there is no need for me to reinvent the wheel
<rue>
Invest in the wheel
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<any-key>
shevy: what exactly are your beefs with rails though?
<shevy>
any-key I find it colossal. I really don't know of any other project which has more things one has to learn in order to use it
<shevy>
save for vim or emacs perhaps
<any-key>
welcome to the world of reasonably sized web apps
<any-key>
it is colossal, but when your app is colossal it helps a lot
<cout>
to hear someone call rails "colossal" seems ironic to me
<cout>
when dhh first showed off rails at rubyconf, everyone was impressed that it was only 1000 lines of code or so
<any-key>
shevy: it's diminishing returns with rails until your app has a certain size/complexity
<deryl>
to hear anyone call ruby or rails colossal is amazing.
<shevy>
there is quite a lot to learn in ruby
<any-key>
as with most programming languages
<shevy>
all the newcomer questions... "What are blocks"... "what are symbols ... procs ... what is Enumerator"
<shevy>
I found PHP had less concept
<shevy>
+s
<deryl>
quite lot to learn in rails to properly utilize the framework and the underlying ruby language. all depends on which way you came to
<any-key>
exactly
<yorickpeterse>
Each tool has it's own purpose. Some are happy with Rails, others hate it
<yorickpeterse>
As long as you can deal with that you should be good to go :)
<raggi_>
this whole conversation is lol
<deryl>
any-key: at the same time i can see shevy's point. a good many new users can not tell where rails ends and 'ruby' begins. and trying to establish baselines can be difficult
<raggi_>
"colossal"
<raggi_>
srsly
<raggi_>
lol
<shevy>
rails is tiny
<yorickpeterse>
Rack is colossal :3
<raggi_>
rails is like 4 or 5 products dude
<deryl>
any-key: such as is Array rails or ruby? is inject rails or ruby? is form_for or etc rails or ruby? where is it all defined, clearly? etc
<raggi_>
comparing rails to other basically routing + controller frameworks is kinda dumb
<deryl>
hardly. it fits quite well being compared with something like cakephp as they both handle the same focus within their respective languages' worlds.
<deryl>
fair comparitors
<raggi_>
deryl: i'm talking about other ruby "web frameworks", which mostly handle exclusively routing + controller stuff
<raggi_>
sure you can compare it to other full stack mvc frameworks
<raggi_>
there are wonky bits in rails, there's wonky bits in most things of that size - and a lot of things that are smaller
<raggi_>
but rails 3 is in general, a hell of a lot cleaner than rails used to be
<raggi_>
plus, there's no sane denial that it works, for a shitton of people
<yxhuvud>
indeed, but there are plenty of areas that still really need a ton of cleanup.
<deryl>
same could be said of any software out there
<deryl>
kernels included
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<queequeg1>
how do I use a variable when trying o format a string? "% {foo}d" % {:foo => 10}
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<rue>
queequeg1: "%d" % {:foo => 10}[:foo] ?
<rue>
Oh, it's "%<foo>d"
<queequeg1>
My string was messed up wince I left out the actual decimal :-)
<queequeg1>
sorry. I'm trying your suggestion now.
<rue>
It's in ri sprintf
<queequeg1>
k, thanks.
<queequeg1>
I just read through the docs and I'm not seeing what I'm looking for. I don't think I'm explaining myself well. What I want is to have a variable for how many spaces to put in the format.
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<rue>
Ah
<rue>
Just interpolate?
<queequeg1>
you mean using #{}
<rue>
"%#{spaces}d" % number
<rue>
It's ugly as all hell, but you know
<queequeg1>
I thought I tried it, but I will see if I mistyped.
<rue>
I'm not sure what the %{} format does
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<queequeg1>
That seems to work. :-)
<queequeg1>
I must have done a typo earlier.
<queequeg1>
Thanks :-)
<rippa>
%{} is just a string
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<rippa>
ah, format %{}
<necromancer>
deryl: this is the same problem jQuery faces with new users
<rippa>
"%{a} - %{b}" % {a: 'foo', b: 'bar'}
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<rippa>
#=> "foo - bar"
<necromancer>
it's difficult to get web developers to try out ruby as a shell scripting language first and THEN as a web development language, which is how it really should be taught
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<rue>
jQuery should be used for shell scripts?
<bougyman>
sure
<bougyman>
necromancer: web developers these days don't even need the shell
<bougyman>
sad, i know.
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<yorickpeterse>
jquery in the shell? wtf?
<yorickpeterse>
Are you smoking something?
<mitchty>
ruby as a scripting language, versus rails as a framework, javascript as a programming language, versus jquery as a framework
<yorickpeterse>
except jquery has nothing to do with shell based actions
<mitchty>
nevermind
<yorickpeterse>
That's like saying a horse and a car are identical because they can be used as transportation
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<deryl>
necromancer: i can't disagree with your statement. it mirrors my own, though i do think its possible to learn it in both mindframes at the same time, though the learning time will slow as you switch back and forth in whichever mode
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<deryl>
learning the interface to the language first would help to write better with the framework is what i think he was trying to say, yorickpeterse
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<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
Are Rails coders better Ruby hackers?
<rue>
Sputterlol
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<diegoviola>
wut
<diegoviola>
ramaze coders are the best ruby hackers of course
<diegoviola>
...
<diegoviola>
jk
<shevy>
hmm since there is no objection
<shevy>
I will now think Rails makes you a better Ruby hacker
<mitchty>
i say perl makes you a better ruby hacker, how bout them apples
<shevy>
hmmm
<shevy>
perl allowed PHP
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<mitchty>
but php was originally just perl
<shevy>
:(
<shevy>
the son killing his father ...
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<mitchty>
eh, i think perls just at the stage that cobol/fortran/etc... are at, where its used it'll keep getting used, just don't expect it to expand, will happen to ruby eventually too
<queequeg1>
This code ( http://pastie.org/3076179 ) generates multiplication tables. What I can't figure out is why I'm printing each table twice? Any hints?
<shevy>
then they laugh at you
<shevy>
and then you find yourself writing javascript code daily
<shevy>
:(
<josh9>
shevy: the node guys have different frameworks now that looks like sinatra
<shevy>
hmm
<josh9>
express.js
<josh9>
flatiron
<mitchty>
I use ruby as a scripting language, the whole js thing doesn't bother me much
<diegoviola>
what's so nice about js?
<josh9>
diegoviola: speed and the fact that it's everywhere
<shevy>
that's actually quite amazing... because they provide a whole ecosystem of javascript... without anyone designing javascript ahead much
<robgleeson>
hm?
<josh9>
shevy: what do u mean by 'design js ahead'?
<shevy>
like how python is designed
<cout>
from future import?
<shevy>
you don't have that in the javascript world
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<robgleeson>
have what, exactly?
<cout>
shevy: you can compile future javascript versions down to previous versions
<shevy>
that there is anyone designing the language ahead in time robgleeson
<shevy>
it's like a chaotic growth
<queequeg1>
I fixed it.
<rue>
diegoviola: There's little that's nice about JS. It's just ubiquitous
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<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
like poop?
<robgleeson>
shevy: there is a ECMAScript spec people contribute ideas to
<robgleeson>
google, microsoft, & apple
<josh9>
i have user object and email class (or module, not sure yet). my app can send email to users. should i pass the user object into a method on the email object or the other way around?
<diegoviola>
nice
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<shevy>
robgleeson those three companies should be replaced by matz
<robgleeson>
lol :/
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<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
let's say I have code like:
<shevy>
def foobar # this method does this and that... and a lot more
<shevy>
code_stuff_goes_here # etc...
<shevy>
end
<shevy>
would rdoc know that the comment part after "def foobar" belongs to that method?
<shevy>
or will it insist on the comment part being above the method definition
<shevy>
oops sorry
<shevy>
well I am going to find out
<samuelkadolph>
Holy space bar Batman
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<robgleeson>
shevy: no idea, but I wouldn't suggest documenting your method on the same line it is defined on.
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<rue>
shevy: Just put the docs above. It's a good visual separation.
<rue>
I use a single empty comment line above the code to avoid the doc cluttering the def itself
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<samuelkadolph>
I'm sad, the Steam deals today aren't that great
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<rue>
Aww
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<deryl>
rue: i like that format myself. but many i work with don't. they either prefer a blank space between the comment's ending line and the code it references, or they want it buttressed right up against the bottom of the comment. Personally I think the extra # works as a pointing flag myself. :shrug:
<rue>
Well fuck 'em
<rue>
:)
<deryl>
heh
<rue>
RDoc understands all of those anyway
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<Oloryn_lt2>
Is it possible to get HTTPClient to force retrieval of a request over IPv4, when the target site has both IPv4 and IPv6 addressses?
<manveru>
give it an IPv4
<manveru>
unless the target does vhost matching
<Oloryn_lt2>
The target does vhost matching
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<manveru>
then you probably need to check if you can give it an arbitrary socket
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<samuelkadolph>
What's wrong with it using IPv6?
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<eggman2001>
if i've installed ruby with rvm, does that mean I'm an MRI/YARV user?
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<mitchty>
yes, forget yarv, it was the in development name, its all mri
<eggman2001>
k, thanks
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<dreinull>
in factory girl I have a class user which is accessed as :user. Now I want to add to some Array in a model the :user symbol. Obviously this confuses factory girl. Is there a way to still keep the class name and use :user for the Array?
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<dreinull>
ok, I see this is about scope. But what scope do I want it to be? Can I find out the scope of an existing symbol so I can apply it directly?
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<injekt>
dreinull: I'm very confused
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<injekt>
"Now I want to add to some Array in a model the :user symbol
<injekt>
"
<injekt>
this is where the confusion started
<dreinull>
injekt: I'll paste it
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<dreinull>
injekt: ok, made a mistake in the first place I think. Should have given Factory girl an [:user] instead... Let's see if that works
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<dreinull>
ok, works now
<burgestrand>
eggman2001: not necessarily, but most likely :p
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