<dbernar1>
Maybe it is cause I am including the Mom module into the global Object
<dbernar1>
Nah, I tried without that
<injekt>
the error isn't with your code
<injekt>
it's in the gem you're using
<injekt>
from /home/dbernar1/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.9.2-p290@mom-0.0.1/gems/mom-0.0.9/lib/mom/word_press_installer.rb:119:in `compose_username_for_domain'
<dbernar1>
OMG, I'm an idiot
<dbernar1>
Yeah, just noticed that the trace is longer there
<injekt>
the first item in the stack trace is the first place you should look
<dbernar1>
Thank you
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<dbernar1>
Cucumber doesn't spit out the whole trace, I think
<injekt>
yuck cucumber
<dbernar1>
Not too bad on sushi
<injekt>
:)
<injekt>
I'd certainly much rather eat it than write it
<dbernar1>
Do you do automated testing?
<injekt>
I write all my tests with minitest/unit and minitest/autorun runs them all for me
<dbernar1>
I'll give it a shot if I get a chance, thanks.
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<jbwiv__>
guys, if I understand Dir's docs correctly, Dir.glob("**", File::FNM_DOTMATCH) should slurp all directories recursively, but it doesn't seem to work on my end unless I change "**" to "**/*". what am I misunderstanding?
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<jbwiv__>
anyone know if there's a way to get Dir.glob to return results before the entire directory is parsed?
<darkf>
why?
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<Cool_Fire>
I would guess so he can start processing results asynchronously.
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<jbwiv__>
Cool_Fire, darkf : exactly. the directory has 16,000,000 files in it. I'd rather not wait for ruby to crawl the entire directory before starting processing
<Cool_Fire>
I suspect you'll have to do it manually though
<Cool_Fire>
Fire off threads for each subdirectory
<Cool_Fire>
Or something to that effect
<Cool_Fire>
Or for files a* trough e* and then f* trough j* or something
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<Cool_Fire>
I'm not too familiar with Dir.* though
<jbwiv__>
Cool_Fire, ok, thanks
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<jbwiv__>
I'm trying to write a script to open 16M files at once to test system limits. I'm looking through a dir with 16M files, calling File.open on each and appending the returned object. I do not issue a close, nor do I pass a block to open. I thought this would keep the file open until the script was finished, but it appears that ruby is automatically closing them in some way (I'm on linux, so I'm monitoring the open file count in /proc/sy
<jbwiv__>
s/fs/file-nr). anyone know how I can prevent this autoclose?
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<lsegal>
jbwiv__ you want your OS to hand you 16M file handles? i don't even know if that's possible
<jbwiv__>
lsegal, yep, sure do ;-)
<jbwiv__>
from what i understand it's a matter of setting the appropriate limits on the filesystem and the kernel
<lsegal>
and how many are being used at peak of your script?
<jbwiv__>
lsegal, it only gets up to around 4000 or so. however, I changed to using tempfile (require 'tempfile') and it seems to work
<jbwiv__>
not sure why, but it dos
<jbwiv__>
does
<lsegal>
interesting
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<jbwiv__>
lsegal, oh well. I'll battle it tomorrow. Off to bed. thank for your help
<lsegal>
didn't really help, but night :)
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<shevy>
how to check the permissions of a file in ruby?
<epitron_>
mode?
<shevy>
oh yeah, thanks
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<rue>
andrewvos: Sorry, that's false
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<andrewvos>
rue: False.
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<dkannan>
coderrr: works for me on 1.9.2-p180
<coderrr>
dkannan, i dont think you looked closely enough at the bug
<coderrr>
there are different ruby versions
<dkannan>
oh ok
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<sush24>
hi... is there a way I can store objects in a sqlite db or something and easily invoke it back when I need it?
<sush24>
library perhaps?
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<rue>
andrewvos: :D
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<shevy>
hmm say I have 10 .rb files with 10 classes. I want to find out the source code of a method called "foobar" (def foobar;puts 'test';end) - other than grepping, is there some way to do that kind of introspection?
<shevy>
they are all part of the same module namespace
<heftig>
shevy: method(:foobar).source_location
<shevy>
heftig cool thanks
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<vereteran>
is there any memoization modules in standard library? i know there are couple of gems, but i don't really need it that much to add more deps
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<injekt>
vereteran: no, it's pretty easy to add yourself though, depending on the situation
<vereteran>
injekt, yeah, already implemented dead simple memoization myself
<injekt>
lots of ||= :)
<andrewvos>
rue: :|
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<eggman2001>
hello, what's the syntax if I want to do something 10 times?
<injekt>
10.times { ... }
<eggman2001>
ah okay, thanks
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<shevy>
my classes tend to become too big :(
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<Cool_Fire>
shevy: how big is too big?
<shevy>
Cool_Fire hmm... the class in question, including comments and newlines, has 330 lines
<Cool_Fire>
That's not too big imo
<Cool_Fire>
A class is as big as it needs to be. If it requires 1000 lines to make it do what it's supposed to, then that's what it is
<Cool_Fire>
It's far more important that it contains stuff that is logical
<Cool_Fire>
logical as in it makes sense in the class
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<Cool_Fire>
I've not done projects where classes became that big in Ruby, but I have in Java
<injekt>
shevy: 330 lines is fine
<injekt>
that's not too big
<Cool_Fire>
For example a class for a 3D model + all the functions for all it's transformations etc.
<Cool_Fire>
Turned out at something like 10k lines of code for the class
<injekt>
and if you're including documentation/comments and your classes is still only 300 lines, maybe you dont have enough documentation, or your class is tiny
<shevy>
hmm
<Cool_Fire>
But as long as it makes sense, and you keep your functions labeled and documented etc, there's no reason why it needs to be a problem
<injekt>
methods*
* injekt
hides
<Cool_Fire>
lol
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<zzak>
soggy socks
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<akahn>
I'm attempting to extract line 1 of a file, and then write the rest of the file, lines 2-n, to disk. here is my implementation: https://gist.github.com/50404befabb1b9417c2d . what might be a better way to implement this?
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<apeiros_>
also, you sure your installation was successful?
<drbrain>
also, does `gem list bcrypt-ruby` show the gem, and if so, does the RUBY EXECUTABLE from `gem env` match `which ruby` and `which irb` ?
<Cool_Fire>
It seems to work for the system provided ruby/gem now
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<Cool_Fire>
But still I can't get it to work in the rvm installed versions
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<Cool_Fire>
Never mind, I'm doing something incredibly weird instead of installing gems
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<Cool_Fire>
Ah, I'm now installing them, but I still can't load them properly
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<Cool_Fire>
There it is!
<Cool_Fire>
I take it you need to restart a ruby app in order to get access to any newly installed gems too?
<apeiros_>
um, no
<apeiros_>
I'm pretty sure you don't have to restart e.g. irb
<apeiros_>
of course, if you do the require before it's there, it'll fail and it won't magically retry for you
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<Cool_Fire>
Yeah, ofc
<apeiros_>
seems you have to
<apeiros_>
just tried. maybe that changed. probably optimizations.
<robbrit>
you can use Kernel.load to load in a file
<robbrit>
require won't reload a file that's already loaded
<apeiros_>
robbrit: it's about files that haven't been loaded
<robbrit>
ah oops
<Cool_Fire>
cannot load such file -- bcrypt <- :sadface:
<Cool_Fire>
it works on the same version when I start a new script though
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<Penguin_Gab>
hi all why is ruby good over php?
<bougyman>
i don't know, is there a punchline coming?
<Penguin_Gab>
no
<Penguin_Gab>
curious
<rue>
Penguin_Gab: R > P
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<hrnt>
P == R
<hrnt>
(if P is in cyrillic alphabet)
<rue>
In Sovie Russia…
<Spooner>
Penguin_Gab: For someone who is just into web dev, it is Ruby+Rails > Php+whateverwebframework, not RubyvsPHP.
<rue>
Spooner: Maybe they want to use PHP as a general-purpose language
<robgleeson>
yeah, riiiiiiight...
<Spooner>
Yes, but in that case you wouldn't compare it to PHP, which isn't. You'd compare it to Python or something else.
<Penguin_Gab>
lol
<rue>
Spooner: Is too
<Penguin_Gab>
so Ruby < PHP, but Ruby+Rails > PHP+(whateverframework Codeigniter, zend etc) ??
<robgleeson>
I've never heard of *anybody* using PHP as a general purpose programming language, actually a close friend is a PHP programmer and he reaches for Python to do general programming
<Spooner>
But yes, Perl or language-I-knocked-up-in-my-shed-last-night is better than PHP as a general purpose language :D
<Penguin_Gab>
php is a web scripting language
<corsican>
haha Spooner
<wmoxam>
Penguin_Gab: it can be used for general scripting
<rue>
#!/usr/bin/php
<robgleeson>
yeah it's possible
<Penguin_Gab>
i tried using PHP to do projecteuler.net and nearly vomitted blood
<robgleeson>
but wtf uses it for that?
<robgleeson>
no one
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<wmoxam>
it even has scripts in the Great Language Shootout
<robgleeson>
not even PHP programmers
<robgleeson>
so point is moot
<corsican>
I know a guy who wrote an irc bot in php
<rue>
robgleeson: It's too powerful, like Haskell or Lisp
<Penguin_Gab>
lol
<corsican>
unsurprisingly, it didn't work too well
<Penguin_Gab>
lol
<wmoxam>
robgleeson: some do
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<rue>
So only the truly awesome really grok it
<rue>
I usually do most of my system scripting in PHP
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<robgleeson>
I write operating systems in PHP
<rue>
Now you're just being silly
<corsican>
robgleeson: I wrote a kernel in TCL
<corsican>
all the drivers are in ircII
<jmontross>
system scripting in php? it has advnatages over ruby for sys admins things?
<wmoxam>
robgleeson: sounds just as silly if you replace 'php' with 'ruby'
<Penguin_Gab>
lol
<robgleeson>
wmoxam: it was a troll
<robgleeson>
my point was, using a language for something that it isn't really designed for
<robgleeson>
but apparently that point was lost
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<wmoxam>
robgleeson: php wasn't designed at all
<wmoxam>
;P
<Penguin_Gab>
i use php to create GUI applications
<rue>
drbrain: I'm pretty sure they're discounting the period when setup.rb was still significant.
<apeiros_>
drbrain: yeah, and he totally lacks any C knowledge. lame.
<rue>
I mean, they have an algorithm and stuff.
<drbrain>
but JavaScript!
<apeiros_>
javascript is a kiddy language! it counts *against* you!
<apeiros_>
js is the new php
<apeiros_>
damit, I *am* old :(
<yorickpeterse>
JS the new PHP? Fuck no, at least JS gets things such as parameter order right
<yorickpeterse>
Or stupid shit like "Can't use write method in return context" or some bollocks like that
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<drbrain>
or \ as a namespace separator
<yorickpeterse>
Oh, and JS actually uses objects for strings and such
<drbrain>
(… it's still the namespace separator, right?)
<yorickpeterse>
Yes
<yorickpeterse>
disclaimer: I sadly work with PHP 5 days a week :[
<yorickpeterse>
and Javascript but that isn't too bad as long as I don't have to deal with my co-workers, even the guy that claims to know JS writes horrendous code
<Penguin_Gab>
how much do u earn annually yorickpeterse?
<apeiros_>
yorickpeterse: it doesn't have goto either
<apeiros_>
and I was kidding of course. I don't particularly like javascript. but I don't consider it - by far - not as bad as php.
<yorickpeterse>
Penguin_Gab: Eh anually, let me calculate
<apeiros_>
though there's one thing php did better than js - it has real integers.
<rue>
When writing PHP, you earn anually.
<yorickpeterse>
Penguin_Gab: around 23k USD
<yorickpeterse>
Still quite young so sadly it's not more
<yorickpeterse>
but it's enough so I'm happy with it
<drbrain>
ruby has goto!
<drbrain>
you have to enable it at compile-time though
<apeiros_>
OO
<yorickpeterse>
apeiros_: how does JS not have real integers?
<apeiros_>
yorickpeterse: by not having them
<apeiros_>
yorickpeterse: all in js is float. there's no such thing as an integer.
<drbrain>
yorickpeterse: everything is a float
<drbrain>
or double
<yorickpeterse>
Oh?
<apeiros_>
yeah, technically double, maybe even more precise.
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<yorickpeterse>
If so, that's kind of weird indeed
<apeiros_>
if it was only weird…
<rue>
Yus. They fake it
<apeiros_>
it's annoying and makes a couple of things needlessly hard.
<yorickpeterse>
apeiros_: well, more precision is a good thing but it isn't always needed
<Penguin_Gab>
yorickpeterse do u think it'll be more if u did ruby for a living instead
<yorickpeterse>
It would mean I'd have to do full time Rails most likely
<apeiros_>
yorickpeterse: you don't get it, do you?
<yorickpeterse>
Not a huge fan of that
<yorickpeterse>
apeiros_: not entirely
<apeiros_>
floats have horrible intrinsics for a couple of things
<apeiros_>
there's a reason everybody shouts and screams at you if you use floats for monetary stuff
<confounds>
you can always use an array, use the size of it as your integer ;)
<yorickpeterse>
Well, I suppose that it depends on how floats are handled by the language and how you use them
<confounds>
or create strings and use their length
<rue>
Float == IEEE float here
<rue>
Or in general discussion
<yorickpeterse>
right
<yorickpeterse>
Then again I'm not sure if it's a huge plus that PHP has it, PHP isn't the best language for math related processing anyway
<apeiros_>
I didn't say it was a huge plus
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<yorickpeterse>
I know that :)
<apeiros_>
I only said it was one thing it does better.
<confounds>
yorickpeterse php isn't the best language for anything
<yorickpeterse>
I have to slightly disagree. It works fine for a lot of websites that don't need a lot of complexity or "out of the box" logic
<yorickpeterse>
If you look at the inner workins then yes, it's a fat and ugly pig
<confounds>
fair enough
<confounds>
though working fine != best language :)
<yorickpeterse>
But as much as I hate it, it gets the job done. Sadly, when you develop more complex applications that require you to go beyond the basic functions/constructs/etc you'll quickly bump into the issue of the inner workings
<yorickpeterse>
Common examples are the parameter orders (stristr vs in_array for example), the return context nonsense, stupid warnings (E_PAMAAYUM_SOMETHING), a rubbish GC, and the list goes on
<yorickpeterse>
One thing I did notice is that the GC seems to release memory back to the OS during runtime, though I'm not sure if that's the case
<apeiros_>
ruby doesn't exactly shine in the GC question…
<yorickpeterse>
True, but it's more stable
<drbrain>
yorickpeterse: it depends in part on the allocator
<yorickpeterse>
If you keep PHP scripts running for a while and create simple objects it can grow very qucikly
<yorickpeterse>
* quickly
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<drbrain>
yorickpeterse: if the allocator only uses sbrk() then the OS can't reclaim memory if you've got an allocation out near the end
<drbrain>
it can reclaim unused pages, though
<yorickpeterse>
Hm
<drbrain>
Virtual vs Resident
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<yorickpeterse>
Pretty sure I measured residential memory but it was a while back so I might be mistaken
<drbrain>
you're probably not
<yorickpeterse>
:)
<drbrain>
the nature of ruby's allocation patterns make it difficult to reclaim pages
<drbrain>
they'll be sprinkled around randomly and are not page aligned or sized
<drbrain>
bitmap marking is landing in trunk (or just landed?)
<drbrain>
which will help
<drbrain>
also, 1.9 stores short strings and arrays directly in the object
<yorickpeterse>
"the object" as in the particular instance you just created?
<drbrain>
in 1.8 a string object was composed of the object struct (struct RString) and the string data in the C heap
<drbrain>
in 1.9, if your string is short (23 bytes on 64 bit platforms) there's no allocation in the C heap
<drbrain>
having fewer allocations will help reduce fragmentation
<yorickpeterse>
Yeah, read that
<yorickpeterse>
But how would you tackle that for applications with large amounts of text (e.g. a blog)? Those are bound to have strings longer than 23 characters
<yorickpeterse>
Other than "just deal with it" :)
<drbrain>
they get regular allocations like 1.8
<drbrain>
it's a speed and fragmentation help for short strings
<yorickpeterse>
ah
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<apeiros_>
drbrain: how big can arrays be and still store the values in the struct itself?
<drbrain>
I would guess 3
<drbrain>
let me look
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<drbrain>
#define RARRAY_EMBED_LEN_MAX 3
<apeiros_>
hm, I can see value in embedded strings of size 23
<apeiros_>
but arrays with 3 or less items? is that something that occurs often? o0
<drbrain>
no idea
<apeiros_>
ah, hm, actually… if you've lots of tuples, it makes sense