<drbrain>
for 10.5 and 10.6 there was cross compilation to/from PPC, PPC64, and x86
<drbrain>
and sometimes x86_64
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<rue>
andrewvos: GCC already knows how to compile to platform X; just need to enable it and have the proper platform headers and such
<andrewvos>
rue: Ahhh ok mind unblown.
<andrewvos>
Thanks
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<andrewvos>
I somehow thought there was some relation between compilation and the host os
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<shevy>
like lovers
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<andrewvos>
What's the song by Libertines that sounds like Boys Don't Cry by The Cure?
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<shevy>
what
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<andrewvos>
shevy: WHAT'S THE SONG BY LIBERTINES THAT SOUNDS LIKE BOYS DON'T CRY BY THE CURE?
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<shevy>
hmm
<rue>
Not sure, but it probably sucks
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<shevy>
if you ask like that...
<shevy>
I have no clue
<andrewvos>
rue: How so?
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<shevy>
"I don't like mondays"?
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<andrewvos>
shevy: Nope that's not a song by them
<andrewvos>
Well, according to spotify
<workmad3>
spotify doesn't have every song
<workmad3>
it's very light on RHCP for example
<andrewvos>
workmad3: Spotify doesn't have *any* song. FTFY
<andrewvos>
Pink Floy and Led Zepellin aren't on there.
<workmad3>
andrewvos: :P
<andrewvos>
Floyd*
<workmad3>
andrewvos: yeah, there's some really annoying gaps in their library
<andrewvos>
workmad3: I closed my account recently because of that.
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<andrewvos>
workmad3: May have to start paying again though because of convenience
<andrewvos>
Not happy though :(
<workmad3>
heh :) there's enough music I do like on it though
<workmad3>
and you can always acquire the files elsewhere, have spotify pick them up as local files and then sync them to devices
<andrewvos>
workmad3: That's very true
<andrewvos>
workmad3: Didn't know it could sync to devices?
<workmad3>
andrewvos: yeah... install the spotify player on your phone and connect it to the same wifi network with the same account as your comp running spotify and it'll sync right up
<andrewvos>
workmad3: AMAZING
<workmad3>
I'm not sure I'd go amazing... but certainly handy :)
<workmad3>
it's how I got ruby rogues onto my phone without much hassle :)
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<andrewvos>
Yeah definitely handy
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<rue>
Footy
<andrewvos>
You're a weirdo :)
<shevy>
all fins are
<andrewvos>
Isn't Lars von Trier a fin? Oh wait that's Denmark
<shevy>
danes are normal
<andrewvos>
hah
<andrewvos>
I need to sleep. Night shevy, rue workmad3. <3 <3 <3
<shevy>
cya
<workmad3>
night andrewvos
<injekt>
heh
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<rue>
Finns with fins are the weirdest.
<injekt>
I concur
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<NemesisD>
anyone know if i can point bundler at a specific .gem file?
<rue>
Did you try?
<injekt>
you're not supposed to
<injekt>
bundler is supposed to build your gem, if you want it vendored then use bundle pack
<NemesisD>
ah ok
<injekt>
and if you want to use a local path, use gem 'foo', :path => '/to/foo' where /to/foo/foo.gemspec exists
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<NemesisD>
yeah i think thats what i'll do
<rue>
Doesn't that just need a .gem? Why a gemspec
<rue>
Assuming this is a built, local gem
<injekt>
so deps can be resolved properly? I'm not sure
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<rue>
injekt: One of us must be misunderstanding this
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<rpowell>
hey all
<rpowell>
has anyone managed to get Ruby 1.9.3 building with Xcode 4.2.1 on OS X
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<shevy>
not on OS X but it works nicely here on linux
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<context>
rpowell: its cause newer xcode doesnt really have gcc, just llvm
<context>
which ruby doesn't work to nicely with
<rpowell>
yeah I know
<rpowell>
thanks for the help
<context>
which is rather scary
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<drdr>
powell did you not have that xcoe issue yesterday?
<drdr>
*xocde
<drdr>
**xcode
<rpowell>
yeah I did, but I had to leave before I resolved it and I'm only now getting around to fixing it
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<shevy>
drdr hard to type that word eh ;)
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<drdr>
yep
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<shevy>
especially with FAT FINGERS
* shevy
ducks!
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<shevy>
I have a kind of strange, curved keyboard. for a few weeks I continually mistyped. I still do sometimes, so I am considering wanting to move back to my old, flat and straight keyboard :(
<drdr>
i got a tiny netbook keybord
<drdr>
its one of thoes sony vaio P ones
<theconartist>
the one with the trackpoint?
<shevy>
I got an old sony vaio multimedia thing ... from 2003. its very heavy
<drdr>
yep
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<Cool_Fire>
I have a thread that processes a queue, but I want to avoid busy waiting when the queue is empty.
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<Cool_Fire>
I thought I'd use a mutex and have it wait for a lock until data is added to the queue, but I when I wait for a lock set in the same thread, it give an error
<Cool_Fire>
Anyone have any ideas?
<Cool_Fire>
gives*
<slyphon>
uh
<slyphon>
Cool_Fire: the point of a queue is that the thread won't be busy waiting
<slyphon>
it will sleep until the queue has items
<slyphon>
busy waiting is when you're spinning in a loop, polling for a condition
<Cool_Fire>
I'm not talking about the queue itself, I'm talking about me taking items outof it and processing them
<Cool_Fire>
I need some way of telling this thread to wait until an item is added to the queue
<slyphon>
your thread, when it does queue.pop, will sleep until an item is available
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<slyphon>
that's how a queue works
<Cool_Fire>
Ah, like so.
<Cool_Fire>
That's neat, but it still doesn't solve my problem in this case, because I have two queues :p
<slyphon>
um
<slyphon>
so, use two threads?
<slyphon>
you should also establish a constant that indicates that the thread should exit, i.e. that all work is completed
<Cool_Fire>
No, one has priority over the other, and they have a shared resource (socket)
<Cool_Fire>
But I think I have something in the way of thread.sleep that'll work
<slyphon>
mmmm'kay
<Cool_Fire>
Thanks for the input though, I didn't know Ruby's queue's sleeped on pop()
<Cool_Fire>
I'm sure I'll be able to use that sometime
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<bnagy>
sharing a socket across threads is not a great pattern imho
<context>
sharing a listening socket is perfectly fine. i dont think id share a connected socket
<bnagy>
but anyway, if you're rolling your own work queue system then you're probably doing it wrong anyway
<context>
true that
<context>
as if there aren't enough out there already
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<Cool_Fire>
Thanks for the confidence guys. Especially since you know my background.
<bnagy>
you're right, I fololishly assumed that when you didn't know how Thread worked and hadn't read the docs that you weren't a hardened professional, sorry about that
<bnagy>
anyway, there's nothing wrong with doing it wrong, it's how people learn
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<Cool_Fire>
Excuse me? I didn't know how thread worked?
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<Cool_Fire>
Perhaps you need to read a little more carefully before making statements like that.
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<bnagy>
Queue is part of thread, sorry
<bnagy>
that's probably not obvious
<Cool_Fire>
A queue is a data structure, it's ruby implementation is entirely separate from that.
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<erikh>
la la la la la
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<erikh>
1.9.3 is pretty snappy
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<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
better than 1.9.1 and 1.9.2 for sure
<shevy>
I was also very down when manveru gave me a testcase where 1.8.x just couldn't produce almost-instant results, whereas 1.9.3 did. manveru made me sad that day :(
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<erikh>
now to see... DOES IT EMBED?
<shevy>
hopefully better than 1.8.x !
<robglees_>
should I sleep or dual boot PCBSD
<robglees_>
thats the question
<shevy>
didnt matz want to compete with lua one day... with a mini-ruby
<shevy>
robglees_ tell me how the .pbi files work!
<erikh>
robglees_: how is that these days?
<erikh>
I haven't looked in years.
<shevy>
please find that out for me ;P because I am in love with the idea of app-dirs
<erikh>
shevy: yes but it's not here yet
<erikh>
and I'm not a patient man
<erikh>
(mruby that is)
<robglees_>
erikh: supposedly it is a lot easier to install alongside OSX on a Mac.
<robglees_>
they added "bootcamp support"
<erikh>
oh neat
<shevy>
cool
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<ddfreyne>
better than having to subclass an AbstractRubyFactoryDirectorPoolInitializer and then a bazillion other classes ;)
<erikh>
have you see lua's api
<erikh>
it's huuuuuge
<erikh>
and it's not short-sighted enough to presume you only need one ruby instance
<erikh>
anyhow, not really bitching, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. ruby really wasn't made to do this and lua was.
<erikh>
just bummed really
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<ddfreyne>
true
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<rknLA>
anyone know why ruby-git might be bitching about "uninitialized constant Logger" when initialized? i tried "require 'rubygems'" at the top like the github page suggests, but i get false returned back, and "gem install rubygems" doesn't find anything (and yes, i just asked this in #ror, but they sent me here cause it's not particularly rails related)
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<bnagy>
anyone happen to know a bit vector gem which is maintained and works with 1.9? the old one spams the hell out of google
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<wallerdev>
,AlecTaylor a you could open source parts of it as well, instead of all of it
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<erikh>
buiold it first
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<injekt>
:)
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<rknLA>
how do i require a gem that i've built locally, but previously installed using gem install?
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<rknLA>
(ack, nvm, i had the gem name wrong when running "gem uninstall".. stil not sure how to require the locally built one though)
<erikh>
install it and require it
<erikh>
rubygems frequently does the right thing
<erikh>
remember, you don't require gems, but files within them
<rknLA>
sorry if this is totally inane, but how do i install it if i built it locally?
<erikh>
gem install foo.gem
<erikh>
no worries
<erikh>
that said, I need to go sleep, later.
<rknLA>
dang
<rknLA>
i'm not quite there yet
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<rknLA>
i ran jeweler and it doesn't produce a .gem file.. .. o_O? (first time building a gem)
<injekt>
pls rm -rf jeweller
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<injekt>
rknLA: do you have a gemspec?
<rknLA>
ya, there's a gemspec
<injekt>
foo.gemspec for ex
<injekt>
rknLA: gem build foo.gemspec
<rknLA>
sweet.
<injekt>
jeweller provides rake tasts for this
<injekt>
but yeah, back to rm -rf jeweller
<rknLA>
ha
<rknLA>
i'm new to jeweler, and forking a project that uses it
<injekt>
rknLA: ah, well, help them out by removing it and opening a pull request! :D
<rknLA>
lol
<rknLA>
i'm not that pro yet
<injekt>
:P
<injekt>
practice makes perfect
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<rknLA>
i'm getting there. kindof a pedantic exercise, but it's actually been helpful.. the unexpected things are quite enlightening
<injekt>
:)
<rknLA>
(i wanted to add auto-commits to ruby_koans)
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<injekt>
auto-commits?
<rknLA>
to a local branch, so users can track changes in git logs as they go.
<injekt>
ah
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<rknLA>
i can't quite tell if it'll be completely pedantic, or actually useful.
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<injekt>
who cares? you're writing code and workin on a project
<injekt>
got my vote
<rknLA>
hahaha.
<rknLA>
yeah, well, honestly, there are other projects i should be working on, just trying to distract myself with things that will be helpful ;)
<injekt>
:P
<rknLA>
where you based out of?
<injekt>
UK right now
<rknLA>
nice. for how long / much longer?
<injekt>
Hopefully less than 4-6 weeks, waiting on visa paperwork unfortunately
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<rknLA>
ack.. crappy. for where?
<injekt>
Canada, moved there in august for work until december, then came home for christmas
<rknLA>
ah, nice.
<rknLA>
cept for the visa part, i guess =x
<rknLA>
hmmmmmm……. the method i changed is giving me a 2 for 1 arguments error… thought i added the second arg!
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<injekt>
:)
<injekt>
rknLA: where are you based?
<rknLA>
LA for a bit.
<rknLA>
well.. a long bit, but about to go to SF for february
<sevos>
hi, I've problem with requiring 'digest/sha' in my ruby 1.9.3-p0, compiled by RVM ( I tried it with RVM openssl package and system openssl). I have Mac OS X 10.7.2. Backtrace: http://pastie.org/3194068
<injekt>
neat, I guess I should have noticed from your uname :)
<injekt>
sevos: did you recompile with --with-openssl-dir=... ?
<injekt>
rknLA: hm?
<rknLA>
maybe it just seemed fast at my refresh rate.
<injekt>
lol
<rknLA>
cmd+tab is my friend
<sevos>
injekt: I recompiled: rvm install 1.9.3-p0 --with--openssl-dir=$rvm_path/usr, where $rvm_path is set and I installed openssl package: rvm pkg install openssl
<injekt>
sevos: which exists in $rvm_path/usr ?
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<injekt>
also iirc you need -C --with-open-ssl-dir (to pass the flag to the compile options)
<sevos>
injekt: yes, just checked
<injekt>
sevos: I'm not sure then, perhaps ask in #rvm. I don't use rvm myself
<sevos>
I haven't tried with "-C"
<injekt>
and I've not had these issues not using rvm
<sevos>
inject didn't work with ruby-build, actually I've got back from rbenv
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<injekt>
heh
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<injekt>
how come?
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<sevos>
injekt: I'll try w/ruby-build again then. which openssl do you use system/brew/port?
<injekt>
sevos: system
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<injekt>
osx ships with openssl, it's just usually an old version iirc
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<rknLA>
if i build a gem in one directory using gem build, i don't suppose it happily makes its way to any other directory i might like?
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<injekt>
rknLA: think of a .gem file simply as an archive
<rknLA>
oh envermind.
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<injekt>
do what you want with it
<rknLA>
i am close to too-many-beer o'clock =\
<injekt>
:)
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<rknLA>
(it's 2am here)
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<injekt>
wish I could say the same, it's only 10am here
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<injekt>
I'm still on canada time, i keep telling myself that
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<rknLA>
lol, well, this shit didn't work..
<rknLA>
so i think i'm gonna call it a night.
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<rknLA>
cause i gotta work tomrrow.
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<rknLA>
'night
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<injekt>
AlecTaylor: please stop spamming your link
<injekt>
yeah...
<denysonique_>
(Net::SSH::AuthenticationFailed)
<denysonique_>
I get this when trying to use net/ssh
<denysonique_>
manual sshing works fine
<denysonique_>
sshing using net/ssh works fine from computer A
<denysonique_>
from Computer B it fails with this error
<denysonique_>
the only difference betwen computer A and B, is that PC B is 64bit
<denysonique_>
both run arch linux
<denysonique_>
and same openssh versions
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<denysonique_>
an 16 09:32:54 localhost sshd[31470]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user dennis by (uid=0)
<denysonique_>
Jan 16 09:33:00 localhost sshd[31473]: Received disconnect from [my ip]: 11: disconnected by user
<denysonique_>
this is the sshd log
<sevos>
injekt: I tried to compile with ruby-build. It looks like my openssl dir should be /usr, because /usr/include/openssl exists but /usr/lib/openssl doesn't - it might be reason.
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<denysonique_>
okie dokie
<denysonique_>
my problem solved
<denysonique_>
# PasswordAuthentication yes
<denysonique_>
was uncommente
<denysonique_>
d*
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<andrewvos>
Anyone using multiple heroku accounts?
<Asher>
why do you ask, out of curiousity
<Asher>
curiosity too
<andrewvos>
Asher: Because I need to
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<Asher>
doing so presents a problem, then?
<injekt>
andrewvos: i do
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<andrewvos>
injekt: What do you use/do?
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<injekt>
andrewvos: heroku auth helps on the command line, I just have to login/logout a lot from the different accounts
<injekt>
helpers*
<injekt>
tbh I haven't streamlined it much yet because I use the work one more than the other
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<andrewvos>
injekt: Thanks
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<sevos>
injekt: still fighting with that, actually openssl looks like compiled in, because require 'openssl' doesn't fail, but require 'digest/sha1' fails, when on system ruby doesn't
<sevos>
it makes my bundler not working :(
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<manveru>
anybody know a good way to ensure a file is not world/group read/write/executable ?
<manveru>
i mean, not changing it, only checking the permissions
<Tasser>
manveru, I'd get the pattern and do some ^
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<IPGlider>
sevos, have you tried rvm install 1.9.3 --with-gcc=clang ?
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<sevos>
IPGlider: Then I get BUG: Bus Error when linking miniruby
<IPGlider>
what version of Xcode are you using?
<sevos>
hm, 4.1 is here :> strange, but I believe I installed osx-gcc-installer
<sevos>
IPGlider: maybe I'll try to reinstall it, or so
<IPGlider>
try upgrading to 4.2.1 and install with --with-gcc=clang
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<IPGlider>
i did that and works perfect
<sevos>
I'll give it a try
<sevos>
IPGlider: thanks, I'll check :)
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<imperator>
is there a shortcut for foo#methods - Object.methods ?
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<sevos>
IPGlider: I tried to remove Xcode and installed osx-gcc-installer but it fails. Now downloading full xcode, we'll see
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<sevos>
re
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<arphen>
Hi guys, I'm new to ruby/rails but I'm experienced in python/java/c(++) and i'd like to start a new ruby/rails project using the authlogic gem. I'm currently using ruby 1.9.2 and rails 3.13 but I can't seem to find any source of a tutorial that will "just work". Everything I have found is written for Rails 2.x and there seem to be a lot of incompabilities between the versions. Anyone care to give me some good advice on how to get start
<arphen>
ed?
<bougyman>
arphen: does it have rdoc?
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<arphen>
bougyman: yes, but I'm rather hesitant about reading through manpages, or the like.
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<arphen>
Thing is, there's a load of tutorials, but they all seem to be deprecated and nobody seems to care.
<bougyman>
arphen: that's why the rdoc is important, it's generally the most up to date
<arphen>
thanks, is there any combination of ruby/rails that can be considered stable/mainstream? (like python 2.7)
<arphen>
I'm afraid the documentation won't be of much help! Specifically I'm trying to get the example app to run and I'm running into some strange errors which I, as a newcomer, might not be able to fix using solely the documentation!
<bougyman>
arphen: ruby 1.9.3 is stable, 1.8.7 is oldstable.
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<bougyman>
python3 is stable, but lots of stuff written for 2.7 won't run on it.
<bougyman>
same with stuff written for ruby 1.8.7, but not as impactful now, as most people have ported libs for 1.9 compatiblility.
<bougyman>
rails is its own (large) dependency nightmare.
<bougyman>
iirc they use bundler to kind of keep that managable.
<arphen>
tbh setting up was terrible!
<arphen>
I'm on ubuntu 11.10 and getting any kind of rails going took me 2 days ( and a fresh install )
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<bougyman>
arphen: sorry.
<bougyman>
I do not use that framework, can't really speak for it.
<arphen>
bougyman: i have to apologize for being a whiny wimp!
<arphen>
But I'm sure you can relate to how I feel!
<bougyman>
there is a #rubyonrails channel, i think.
<bougyman>
i hate dependency hell, so i've stayed away from it for that reason.
<arphen>
Thanks a lot good sir for pointing me to the right place to shout and yell!
<bougyman>
there are some alternatives you may find more to your liking.
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<indstry>
Asher: I should have mentioned, Im using aws-sdk to upload to amazon s3. which in turn uses net::http. Wasnt sure if there was some way to wrap that to capture the amount of data transferred
<Asher>
if it uses net:http there should be some way but i couldn't tell you how easy that might be
<indstry>
Asher: ok thanks, I'll keep digging
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<bnagy>
1.9.3 is not stable
<bnagy>
imho
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<batasrki>
bnagy: do tell
<indstry>
bnagy: yes please, do tell
<bnagy>
well it's p0 and most of my syck / yaml stuff doesn't work
<bnagy>
1.9.2 latest seems ok
<bnagy>
anyway, just saying that if one were to recommend a 'stable' 1.9 branch I don't think it would be bleeding
<batasrki>
bnagy: have you tried psych? It's supposed to be the replacement, IIRC
<bnagy>
I just use yaml, I'm not interested in rewriting it
<darix>
bnagy: well ... then you should be using psych by default now
<darix>
as backend
<bnagy>
if you say so, it doesn't work
<bnagy>
hence 'not stable'
<darix>
bnagy: *what* doesnt work?
<bnagy>
the exact same yaml files that work under 1.9.2, jruby and previous mri
<bnagy>
anyway, it's like linux. I'll use it when it's done.
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<manveru>
at least makes converting to psych easier
<bnagy>
darix: again, whatever you say. I'll use it when it's fixed :)
<manveru>
it's not gonna be fixed
<manveru>
nobody wants to maintain syck
<bnagy>
life is too short to have to screw around to get the only blessed markup language to work out of the box
<darix>
bnagy: can you share the yaml file that is breaking for you?
<bnagy>
yeah I meant yaml not syck :>
<darix>
i am sure aaron will fix it
<darix>
bnagy: JFYI
<darix>
YAML::ENGINE.yamler = 'syck'
<manveru>
darix: btw, it was YAML::ENGINE
<manveru>
aye
<manveru>
there you can switch to syck for parsing and to psych for dumping
<bnagy>
darix: honestly? I'd rather go to sleep, if I get motivated I'll look at that crap again later, for now I switched to jruby or used 1.9.2p290 where I couldnt
<darix>
bnagy: so we will see you after sleeping with the yaml file that breaks with psych
<darix>
good night!
<manveru>
:)
<darix>
later
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<manveru>
it'll write yaml so that psych can parse it again
<bnagy>
isn't the point to be human writeable? :)
<manveru>
dunno, i hate yaml
<bnagy>
but I'll do it, just for interest's sake
<bnagy>
what should I use for config files then?
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<manveru>
i use ruby
<bougyman>
:)
<manveru>
but hey, i'm so uncool, i even use env vars
<bnagy>
yeah env vars honestly are uncool :)
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<shevy>
and tainted
<shevy>
manveru why do you hate yaml! :(
<shevy>
I hate psych, not yaml
<shevy>
:P
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<shevy>
bnagy the lesson I learned was to never trust any one format and to always retain the ability to go and change/switch to other formats
<bnagy>
well it's just a config file, it's like a 2 line change, it's just easier to switch interpreters
<bnagy>
to one that works
<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
(to be continued ...)
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<dreinull>
this looks dumb, can I do better? !(ary & other_ary).empty?
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<andrewvos>
ary.empty? and other_ary.empty?
<andrewvos>
dreinull: Looks cleaner?
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<Mon_Ouie>
No, that's not equivalent
<Mon_Ouie>
ary & other_ary is set intersection
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<andrewvos>
Mon_Ouie: my version doesn't merge the arrays though
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<rippa>
andrewvos: your version also does something other than original
<rippa>
*gives different results
<apeiros_>
diversity is great!
* apeiros_
hides
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<andrewvos>
ary.any? and other_ary.any? <--- that better?
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<rippa>
andrewvos: ary, other_ary = [1], [2]
<rippa>
your method gives true
<rippa>
original gives false
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<Mon_Ouie>
And you could rewrite it using any? and include?, but it would be worse performance-wise actually
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<dreinull>
any could do, good idea.
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<dreinull>
Mon_Ouie: but yes, performance. It's called on almost every route.
<dreinull>
I'll leave it then.
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<Mon_Ouie>
For readability concerns, it would be quite clear if you just isolate that expression in a method with an explicit name about what it returns
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<Spooner>
How would I mock ``/%x[] - where are they defined and how?
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<Mon_Ouie>
They are calls to Kernel#`
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<Mon_Ouie>
Well, just to the #` method actually, only defined in Kernel by default
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<Spooner>
Mon_Ouie: Ah, thanks.
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<jaafar>
Anyone here with SWIG experience on Ruby? I'm having some shared pointer troubles
<jaafar>
as in, how to correctly do them these days. docs seem out of date
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<rue>
Ehw, swig
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<andrewvos>
ruby-lang: I need a good action movie to watch. Thinking something cheesy like Pitch Black. Thoughts?
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<drbrain>
watch the sequel?
<drbrain>
or anything else with Vin in it?
<andrewvos>
Hmmm. Don't really like Vin to be honest.
<andrewvos>
Pitch Black was ok though.
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<drbrain>
andrewvos: oh come on, he almost kissed The Rock in FF5
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<musl>
Heh! The chronicles of Riddick wasn't that bad if you're into really cheesy sci-fi. *Take us to the threshold!*
<andrewvos>
drbrain: ff5?
<andrewvos>
drbrain: Oh right Fast and the Furios?
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<andrewvos>
hmm. Well I settled for Pitch Black
<guns>
There are worse movies.
<andrewvos>
guns: Indeed.
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<wwalker>
what if I want to call super() with no args. If I do that, super automatically reuses the args passed to the current method. restated: someone called foo(1,2) and in foo() I want foo() to call its superclass's foo(), but with NO args....
<raggi>
super() calls it with no args
<raggi>
super calls it with existing args
<raggi>
changing the arity of methods through inheritance is often a design smell, btw
<raggi>
because it /can/ become somewhat of a refactoring oddity
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<shevy>
omg... pitch black was ok, but the shit that followed it with riddick was so gay
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<drbrain>
shevy: I don't recall any homosexuality in riddick
<shevy>
the necromongers there!
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<dragonkh>
hello
<dragonkh>
anyone heard of a ruby scheduler lib called recurrent by zencoder
<andrewvos>
have now
<dragonkh>
hmm
<raggi>
seems like they could have just made cron ping a server that forks and runs a task
<dragonkh>
I want to use recurrent - but the documentation is very light and the code needs some explanation
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<shevy>
nice way to say that the documentation and code sucks
<dragonkh>
I've been coding ruby since 2000 and I still keep finding things that I don't know about it !!!
<dragonkh>
this line of ruby code really helped me out one day !! [8364].pack("U") who would have thought it !!
<dragonkh>
can you guess what it does without running it !
<petercooper>
dragonkh: you and me both
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<petercooper>
if I have to guess, something to do with getting the unicode char with codepoint 8364?
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<petercooper>
but I always have to look up pack/unpack when using them for real
<dragonkh>
petercooper - you have helped me out a few times on irc !
<dragonkh>
petercooper - are you the same guy from northern england ?
<petercooper>
Yeah :)
<dragonkh>
the snippets guy ?
<petercooper>
a long time ago, yes :)
<petercooper>
I sold that site four years ago now.. cripes.
<andrewvos>
snippets?
<dragonkh>
hehe ! - I was taking a look at that recently - it inspired me a bit to do something more entreupeneural - damn cant spell it
<petercooper>
andrewvos: It got bought by DZone and they've let it get riddled with spam: http://snippets.dzone.com/
<petercooper>
though at the time it was reasonably original to have a social code site built around tagging
<andrewvos>
whoa cool
<andrewvos>
you make all the cool sites
<petercooper>
I wish!
<petercooper>
Been feeling a bit slack in the cool sites department.. they're nearly all media/newsletter things now ;-)
<dragonkh>
grr linkinus is on it's last chance with me - one more freeze up and I'm going to colloqoy
<petercooper>
I used to use Colloquy years ago.. it used to eat up memory :)
<petercooper>
Probably not so bad nowadays
<wallerdev>
i use it regularly
<wallerdev>
you should compile it from svn trunk though if you're on lion or its full of weird things
<wallerdev>
(colloquy)
<petercooper>
I switched to Limechat because it was built in Ruby and had an old school aesthetic. But then they rewrote it in Objective C, lol.
<wallerdev>
like it uses GMT time no matter where you are and uses its own style of growl notifications
<wallerdev>
i haven't seen too much GUI software in ruby yet
<dragonkh>
I'm looking for something exiting and collaborative to do - work sucks, and I'm not mentally powerful enough to finish something on my own !! I need ideas, coding partners - an income stream and something cool to do !!
<wallerdev>
i'll be your coding partner
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<wallerdev>
although i need a project as well
<petercooper>
on the plus side, it's easier to find a coding partner than a sexual partner
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<wallerdev>
so we may need a 3rd partner
<petercooper>
and three ways don't result in quite so much emotional baggage
<wallerdev>
:P
<dragonkh>
hhehe !!!
<wallerdev>
maybe petercooper will be our 3rd partner, anything with his name on it will get the blogs buzzing
<dragonkh>
I want to code ruby, make money and work on my own schedule !
<petercooper>
sorry chaps, I haven't even got enough time to do my own stuff atm ;-P
<dragonkh>
wallerdev - got any cool ideas?
<wallerdev>
not really
<wallerdev>
haha
<zzak>
petercooper: are you doing the newsletter/media stuff fulltime then?
<dragonkh>
oh !
<petercooper>
However, if you make anything cool, I'm always happy to hear about it and possibly link/e-mail it up :)
<zzak>
or still consulting on the side
<petercooper>
zzak: Essentially.
<petercooper>
I still have a couple of very old clients who ask me to do an hour or two here and there. Def less than 10% of my business.
<dragonkh>
I'm working on a mud site at the moment - its very cool (at least I think it is) unfortunatley not many people are into mud's these days and certainly no one is wanting to pay to play one - so its just for fun !! but I let any player create their own virtual world that other players can play as well
<wallerdev>
yeah most people just go outside after it rains to play with mud for free
<petercooper>
dragonkh: You say that, but a lot of casual games nowadays are essentially muds with a few extra mechanics or lots of graphics piled on top.
<dragonkh>
and some people don't even know what a mud is !!
<petercooper>
Like those social Facebook games
<dragonkh>
yeah true - I'm thinking of perhaps making a game site - iphone or ipad maybe or even facebook
<dragonkh>
html 5 is promising
<dragonkh>
I want to buld something awesome though
<dragonkh>
something that pushes the boundaries a bit
<petercooper>
an ascii based Battlefield 3 clone that plays over telnet
<dragonkh>
and in ruby
<dragonkh>
hmm not sure about telnet - I think html is more accessible
<petercooper>
;-P
<dragonkh>
my current mud site is written in rails - html front end - with js, event handling and a scheduler for recurring jobs
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<dragonkh>
I found faye - which is really cool
<dragonkh>
I almost wrote it in expression with node.js - but I love ruby so much - I didnt
<dragonkh>
petercooper - so maybe my html social media based mud side will be a big hit then !! slap in some facebook and google+ api clients and off we go !
<dragonkh>
hehe I should call it mudslide !
<dragonkh>
wallerdev - as soon as you have a cool idea - let me know and we can start our ruby empire !!!
<wallerdev>
haha
<wallerdev>
I've been trying to come up with something the past few days
<dragonkh>
you name it - I can build it with nobs on !
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<dragonkh>
I thought about a people help site - when one side needs help and the other side wants to give help - and we match them up - only problem is - hackers, fraudsters, liers, cheats and other low lying internet scums
<wallerdev>
yeah
<wallerdev>
a lot of potential for abuse
<dragonkh>
then every thing I thought about after that seemed to have the same problem !
<wallerdev>
what about like a room layout site where you can arrange furniture in a room and share it with people haha
<drbrain>
then you need to make a system for recognizing the scum of the internet
<wallerdev>
we could ask for their bank account and keep track of how they're spending their money
<wallerdev>
:P
<dragonkh>
please enter your sort code and account number sir ?
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<dragonkh>
hehe
<flowerpot>
I have a question about something on this page:
<dragonkh>
I like making graphs of statistical data - graphs that move and animate
<dragonkh>
nice name flowerpot
<wallerdev>
what about a site that let you design flowerpots and then it would use a 3d printer and ship them to you
<dragonkh>
do you think the people that want flowerpots are the same people who have computers?
<flowerpot>
Specifically, under "Writable Attributes", why does aSong.duration return 260 when it is first called?
<flowerpot>
right above the "aSong.duration = 257 # set attribute with updated value" line
<dragonkh>
its set here: aSong = Song.new("Bicylops", "Fleck", 260)
<dragonkh>
at the end there
<flowerpot>
Right - I get that we passed 260 at the end, but we defined duration to be like this:
<flowerpot>
def duration=(newDuration)
<flowerpot>
@duration = newDuration
<flowerpot>
does that mean that newDuration is optional?
<burgestrand>
no
<flowerpot>
I would have thought that calling aSong.duration would try to assign a value to @duration
<flowerpot>
instead of simply returning 260
<burgestrand>
flowerpot: duration= is different from duration
<wallerdev>
yeah the = is part of the method name
<flowerpot>
Ohhhh.
<flowerpot>
so when they write
<flowerpot>
aSong.duration = 257 # set attribute with updated value
<flowerpot>
they're calling duration=?
<dragonkh>
duration sets the value of @duration to 260 = then we call duration - which returns the vlaue of 260
<wallerdev>
aSong..duration = 257 is the same as aSong.duration=(257)
<wallerdev>
calling the duration= method
<burgestrand>
flowerpot: yes
<flowerpot>
ok, cool
<flowerpot>
that makes senese
<flowerpot>
I understand now
<flowerpot>
aSong.duration » 260
<flowerpot>
aSong.duration = 257 # set attribute with updated
<flowerpot>
so these are two different functions. got it.
<flowerpot>
thanks!
<burgestrand>
flowerpot: methods, yes :)
<dragonkh>
that code would never work anyway - its incomplete
<flowerpot>
methods :)
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<wallerdev>
dragonkh: i think its built in earlier parts of the tutorial
<flowerpot>
I think the idea is to punch in the code as you use the irb
<dragonkh>
its missing the initialize method so I can see how it might be confusing if you just read that snippet
<dragonkh>
oh yeah I see at the top - its in bits though - I like to see the full listing
<dragonkh>
oh dear - I have chores then I need to sleep - another day of work ahead tomorrow - I came here for one reason and got stuck !!! sigh this is why I don't come here much - I get no work done at all !!!!
<wallerdev>
haha
<dragonkh>
ok - anyone who wants to do a cool ruby project - let me know - kingsley@mindflowsolutions.com <-- make sure to reply to the spam filter or I wont get your email - I'm serious - I want to build something awesome that makes some cash or helps people or both !!!!
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<dragonkh>
flowerpot - you should checkout pry as well as irb - it's pretty cooool !
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