<zenspider>
I just sent him: /msg originalserver you dumb cunt. if you're going to spam you should at least respond to orders.
<samuelkadolph>
lol
<andrewvos>
hehe
<zenspider>
wow. he responded!
<zenspider>
what language is "idi na hyu pidor blyat" ?
<apeiros_>
none I know
<samuelkadolph>
translate.google.com says it detected Spanish but it isn't translating it
<zenspider>
I'm guessing filipino
<andrewvos>
zenspider: Racist
<zenspider>
uh. sure
<apeiros_>
that doesn't sound spanish at all.
<rue_XIV>
Lya suggestive of slavic
<zenspider>
*shrug* he kept jabbering after I called him a dumb cunt in filipino ... none of it translated well. he can't type either. so I /ignored him
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<rue_XIV>
zenspider: Best I can tell, it's something about male prostitution
<samuelkadolph>
Windows 2003 with happy ending.
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<uniqanomaly>
translate.google.com has a bad day :<
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<uniqanomaly>
from other #
<uniqanomaly>
<uniqanomaly> kickban spammer
<uniqanomaly>
<uniqanomaly> :>
<uniqanomaly>
<originalserver> pidarasi
<uniqanomaly>
<uniqanomaly> originalserver idi na hyu pidor blyat
<uniqanomaly>
<originalserver> haha
<uniqanomaly>
<originalserver> ebanytie
<uniqanomaly>
<originalserver> vi typie yebki
<fireglow>
drop it
<zenspider>
uniqanomaly: yeah. no clue
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<erikh>
I seeeeling dedicated mac minis in different bodies of water. Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris! write who want them
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<brownies>
so, what's the deal with Cucumber coding style
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<brownies>
i could've sworn that i read something along the lines of "don't write Gherkin code that is implementation dependent"
<brownies>
and yet i see a lot of "When I fill in blahblah with blahblah"
<shevy>
what is a Cucumber coding style
<shevy>
is it like coding under the influence of weed?
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<zenspider>
brownies: I think they mean don't refer to what language the impl is using
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<zenspider>
not that I use cucumber...
<brownies>
i've been hearing that a lot too, zenspider
<brownies>
on the other hand, it seems like there is a large community -- whom i've never met -- that does use Cucumber
<brownies>
why the dichotomy? and what would you use instead to write integration tests?
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<andrewvos>
brownies: It works well when you're in larger more retarded companies
<brownies>
andrewvos: what about smaller companies full of geniuses? what should they use?
<andrewvos>
brownies: Whatever fucking works
<brownies>
other than, of course, writing perfect bug-free code right off the bat -- that much is assumed.
<andrewvos>
Well I would do BDD mostly
<brownies>
andrewvos: hm, i'm not finding that library on github...
<brownies>
andrewvos: well, what do you use?
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<andrewvos>
For what?
<zenspider>
I'm in one of those larger more retarded companies. we only allowed cucumber because SOMEONE ELSE was writing AND running them
<zenspider>
I won't touch the shit
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<zenspider>
too slow. too clevar. waste of my time
<andrewvos>
zenspider: I bet ehy fucked that up
<andrewvos>
they*
<andrewvos>
Having a ifferent person writes cukes is detined for fail
<zenspider>
andrewvos: prolly. not my problem
<andrewvos>
Crap bad internet... excuse me spelling everything wrong
<zenspider>
we write good tests. we keep them fast. I don't give a shit about cucumber or its goals
<andrewvos>
cool
<andrewvos>
zenspider: What sort of products do you produce? Do you do any automated testing?
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<zenspider>
andrewvos: all my testing is automated... I authored minitest
<andrewvos>
zenspider: Sorry, I mean UI testing
<zenspider>
I don't believe that UI testing can be properly automated... I have yet to see a good solution for that problem (depending on how you define "UI testing", of course)
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<zenspider>
you can test that your MVC is wired up correctly, but that's hardly UI testing... just the tip of the iceburg
<zenspider>
and yet, it's like pulling teeth to get cocoa devs to do any form of automated testing
<brownies>
that's what i'm asking
<brownies>
what is your testing infrastructure?
<brownies>
just Rspec + Jenkins?
<brownies>
hmmm, minitest, eh?
<andrewvos>
brownies: Yes use minitest you will get a long way with it
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<h4y4shi>
Im getting a error for this. http://pastie.org/3358322 the error message says it has something to do with the or gates. Is there another way for me to do this?
<zenspider>
rake, autotest, minitest... not much else.
<zenspider>
h4y4shi: looks like a simple 1 line math function to me... no?
<brownies>
andrewvos: we're already knee deep in cucumber tbh
<zenspider>
and I can think up at least 3 different ways to write that... so can you if you put your mind to it
<andrewvos>
zenspider: Can you explain how you think that you don't believe UI testing can be properly automated? I'm really lost on that.
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<zenspider>
andrewvos: UI is inherently subjective, not objective. I don't think you can automate testing for much of anything subjective
<h4y4shi>
zenspider: all right
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<zenspider>
h4y4shi: but to answer your underlying question...
<zenspider>
h4y4shi: base_stat == 2 or 3 means (base_stat == 2) or 3
<zenspider>
and since 3 is true, it's always true
<h4y4shi>
zenspider: Oh thanks I keep forgetting to do that.
<zenspider>
also, your case statement makes no sense
<andrewvos>
zenspider: UI is subjective? What?
<zenspider>
you're essentially saying case base_stat; when true... when true... when true...
<zenspider>
andrewvos: what what?
<andrewvos>
zenspider: You're going to have to explain that in terms I can understand.
<zenspider>
andrewvos: what does "automated UI testing" mean to you?
<andrewvos>
zenspider: Quite simply, "clicking buttons and checking that the right thing happens"
<andrewvos>
zenspider: Making sure you haven't broken everything
<zenspider>
meh
<zenspider>
that's about 1/5th of the time you spend testing a GUI app
<zenspider>
and completely boring
<zenspider>
testing GUI plumbing isn't all that hard or interesting.
<zenspider>
and it is also rarely what goes wrong
<andrewvos>
So you're saying we're less prone to break the UI that something covered by a unit test?
<andrewvos>
that=than
<zenspider>
as I said above about MVC wiring
<zenspider>
less prone? no. just that it isn't a hard problem. "widget A must be wired to controller B with action C"... whoopie
<zenspider>
write a couple assertions. done.
<zenspider>
I did something that I released called minitest-macruby that was a proof of concept for that... but again... cocoa devs hardly ever test anyhow
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<andrewvos>
So you're all for a team of QAs regression testing the fuck out of something for weeks?
<andrewvos>
I mean, that's the alternative I see
<andrewvos>
only*
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<zenspider>
andrewvos: did I say that? also, do you have any alternative suggestions?
<andrewvos>
zenspider: No you didn't, but it's implied
<andrewvos>
zenspider: Unless you're working on products that are so small that you test them all yourself
<andrewvos>
And yes, I think capybara is quite helpful for UI testing.
<apeiros_>
hmmm, subclassing Enumerator…
<zenspider>
no, it's not implied
<zenspider>
I said that checking the MVC plumbing is EASY and BORING and a vast minority of what you actually do when you're working on a GUI app
<andrewvos>
Ok well I agree with that..
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<zenspider>
you spend a lot more time making sure the UI is usable, aesthetic, and intuitive... and you can't automate that... it's subjective... as I said
<andrewvos>
zenspider: But what I was referring to is when you said that you don't believe UI testing can be automated. Are you saying that it *shouldn't* be automated?
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<apeiros_>
that's actually fun. very cheap rails style "scopes"…
<apeiros_>
just subclass Enumerator and you get it :)
<zenspider>
... I said that you can't test subjective things
<zenspider>
how do you test that something is usable, aesthetic, or intuitive? if you can write a test for that, you're bound to be a lot richer than I'll ever be
<andrewvos>
I get what you mean about that
<andrewvos>
People don't write cucumber tests to test this stuff though
<andrewvos>
They are testing that the application is still working
<zenspider>
cucumber is useless. there's nothing it can do that I can't do faster and cleaner and more directly in a regular test.
<zenspider>
and cucumber isn't UI testing.
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<andrewvos>
It can force your Product Owner to tell you what product to write!
<zenspider>
"still working" means very little as well... just because you wired up MVC correctly means nothing towards the overall usability of the app
<zenspider>
congrats... you now have a veriifed well wired piece of crap that nobody wants to use
<zenspider>
verified
<zenspider>
stupid ring finger
<andrewvos>
zenspider: Yes, and you have less than half the amount of exploratory testers.
<zenspider>
nonsense... cucumber does nothing to reduce workforce
<andrewvos>
I'm not talking about cucumber I'm talking about writing UI tests
<zenspider>
still does nothing to reduce workforce
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<andrewvos>
Automating manual tests == less work?
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<zenspider>
I'm really not getting through to you
<zenspider>
those manual tests are NOTHING compared to what you really have to do on a GUI app
<zenspider>
30 seconds of unit tests
<zenspider>
at most
<zenspider>
and honestly, the developer should be writing (and running) it
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<erikh>
it's friday night, time for the cucumber argument
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<fragmachine>
how can I match multiple characters in a regex, like - >> 'c.gsub(/\|+-/, '')'
<fragmachine>
it only seems to pick up the first match
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<h4y4shi>
How do I do a while loop until I break?
<samuelkadolph>
h4y4shi: loop do; end
<h4y4shi>
Thanks
<erikh>
what is the problem with the 'while' keyword
<erikh>
why do so many rubytards hate it
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<Jarred1>
Hi all. I'm trying to parse values within an XML document by its XPath using Nokogiri. Nokogiri is just returning an empty array for the given XPath. The XPath is correct -- I used Firedebug to get it. Here's the XPaths and the XML document --> https://gist.github.com/bf2f78b63718e469222c. What am I doing wrong?
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<Harzilein>
Jarred1: it looks like it's case sensitive
<Harzilein>
Jarred1: change your xpath to use the camelcased node names
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<Harzilein>
Jarred1: (or find some option that will make the match case insensitive)
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<Jarred1>
Harzilein: That did it
<Jarred1>
thanks a ton
<Jarred1>
Also
<Jarred1>
How do I get the value of an XML element?
<Jarred1>
nvm found it
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<Harzilein>
Jarred1: np.
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<erikh>
doesn't anyone get paged when rubygems.org is down?
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<rue_XIV>
I do
<erikh>
can you fix it?
<rue_XIV>
No, I'm just kidding
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<erikh>
meh.
<erikh>
how are you? having a good day?
<rue_XIV>
Just woke up
<rue_XIV>
Hm, ping works most of the time
<erikh>
probably getting the treatment other ruby sites have gotten this week
<rue_XIV>
Mite be
<erikh>
and... I'll put money on qrush never getting monitoring configured
<erikh>
so it'll get fixed around noon tomorrow when someone on the team checks it
<erikh>
anyhow, a waste of blood pressure.. just frustrating.
<rue_XIV>
I wonder if it'd be reasonable to get some distributed caches up
<rue_XIV>
zenspider: Still up? ^^
<erikh>
they have that for the gems, just not the sources list
<erikh>
that has been discussed numerous times
<rue_XIV>
Right, that's the bunny.
<erikh>
well it's 500ing now, I might have to eat my words here
<rue_XIV>
Breakfast is the most important meal of the day, have some OJ too at least
<erikh>
heh.
<erikh>
well shit
* erikh
eats words
<erikh>
so it's back up now -- good jorb
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<sloth>
hi, i'm trying to make an mp3 alarm clock
<sloth>
http://sprunge.us/NhXY is how i've tried to do it, but i know my logic is flawed
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<rue_XIV>
What's the problem?
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<Spooner>
sloth: You need Time.now >= alarm (you are using == which is very unlikely to get hit).
<Spooner>
And you could also do with a sleep so the while loop doesn't grind.
<Spooner>
Or rather: sleep 1 while Time.now < alarm; system("afplay #{file}")
<shevy>
so sleeeeepy1
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<rue_XIV>
Spooner: Eew
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<andrewvos>
erikh: Hah the Friday night cucumber argument
<apeiros_>
hm, wrong place maybe, but maybe somebody knows anyway:
<apeiros_>
gotta go, cya all in a week. and thanks andrewvos for trying! :)
<andrewvos>
Nooooo
<andrewvos>
Now I'm left with all of apeiros's gists.
<rue_XIV>
Haha
<shevy>
lol
<rue_XIV>
andrewvos: Needs a thread pool
<andrewvos>
rue_XIV: Yeah I was just thinking I should help with this ddos
<rue_XIV>
Heh
<andrewvos>
Damnit I kind of wanted to get that code done in time
<andrewvos>
Stupid apeiros. He left early, and github was rigged with ddos attacks. NEXT TIME
<rue_XIV>
Maybe the entire DDoS is actually a plot to deprive apeiros of some crucial gist he could have used to change the world with all this free time
<rue_XIV>
That's probably it. It would have been used to see the progress of cure for cancer, but now they have to use an inferior solution and will accidentally create a zombie apocalypse
<andrewvos>
rue: Sorry I had that in my clipboard and needed to pasted it somewhere (twitter).
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<rue>
That's fine, it's not as if anything needs to make sense
<andrewvos>
I need to reply to someone with it, and you were the best canditate. My apologies Sir
<andrewvos>
needed*
<andrewvos>
Damn I sound drunk. I'm not
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<rue>
Uh huh
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<andrewvos>
It's like 16:40 here
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<rue>
Yeah, for shame
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<roha>
hey, im coding a little game and need to check for user input (arrow keys). the way i tried it, i have to press enter after each input. is there some standard way to continually check for input?
<roha>
so that i can just press left and hold the button
<roha>
or just that i can hit an arrow key multiple times and this results in multiple inputs to the program
<roha>
at the moment i have a simple while true input = STDIN.gets end loop
<andrewvos>
roha: There's a gem
<andrewvos>
If you hang around a bit longer someone will answer you
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<andrewvos>
Or wait, maybe even 1.9.2 does this?
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<andrewvos>
roha: Google getch 1.9.2
<roha>
andrewvos, thanks!
<rue>
io/console maby
<rue>
Though I don't remember where the docs are
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<andrewvos>
Have you looked down the side of the couch?
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<Mon_Ouie>
Yeah, you can use $stdin.getch with io/console
<roha>
Mon_Ouie, andrewvos, rue: Thanks! It's working as intended now :)
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<andrewvos>
Pleasure dude
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<burgestrand>
There’s way too few people needing help on the weekends :x
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<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
and
<shevy>
it will be worse on sunday
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<shevy>
dumdedum
<imperator>
howdy folks
<drbrain>
smart, smart-smart-smart-smart
<imperator>
smart**5
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<drbrain>
^^ is the punchline to one of my favorite South Park jokes
<imperator>
oic
<drbrain>
it follows a lot of "dum-de-dumdumdum"s
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<shevy>
remind me to never ever again use .send in the context of delegating to another class ...
<shevy>
that just leads to hard to find bugs!
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<symm->
finding it impossible to get rmagick on windows
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<muzone>
symm-: its working here
<muzone>
symm-: whats your problem?
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<muzone>
bbl
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<symm->
muzone: there is no prebuilt binary for 1.9.2
<symm->
I'm trying to use DevKit to build it myself, fingers crossed
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<symm->
oh boy, it worked.
<symm->
100x easier than I thought it would be
<symm->
(windows users...)
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<judofyr>
RUBY RUBY RUBY RUBY RUBY
<judofyr>
YBUR
<judofyr>
RYUB
<judofyr>
BYUR
<judofyr>
YURB
<injekt>
:|
<judofyr>
what?
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<judofyr>
hey
<tallboy>
hi
<tallboy>
thanks for your answer
<judofyr>
:)
<tallboy>
im rereading it and trying in irb
<judofyr>
yeah, writing code is often (if not always) the best way to understand
<tallboy>
OH
<tallboy>
holy crap
<tallboy>
wow
<tallboy>
that does make sense
<tallboy>
i skimmed it the first time. i can see how that would be incredibly useful
<judofyr>
nice
<judofyr>
I remember I had problem grasping `yield` too. can't really remember how I learnt it though… I just remember I struggled for a while
<judofyr>
problems*
<tallboy>
yes, i have learned ruby for probably a few months now. i deployed a web app with sinatra
<judofyr>
ncie
<tallboy>
a really cool one, i think
<tallboy>
but then i got these books about meta programming
<tallboy>
and it feels like im at square one again
<erikh>
welcome to your career in a nutshell
<erikh>
I recommend whisky
<judofyr>
hehe, there's quite a lot interesting and useful stuff down that road
<judofyr>
some are more interesting and less useful than others
<tallboy>
if i emailed you would you be willing to look over my code?
<tallboy>
it already works fine, i just mean... to see how it might be done better
<judofyr>
tallboy: sure: judofyr@gmail.com
<judofyr>
I'm pretty much judofyr all over the place
<injekt>
erikh: bourbon
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<judofyr>
well, it *is* hard being a printer
<injekt>
aye
<injekt>
extremely
<injekt>
I always fuck stuff up and dont work when people want me too
<judofyr>
terrible puns all over place too
<injekt>
and eat paper. lots of fucking paper
<judofyr>
injekt: I was about to say "story of my life"
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<judofyr>
but no, I don't eat much paper…
<injekt>
:P
<injekt>
I *really* don't want to work right now
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<judofyr>
dude, it's sat/sunday; why do you need to work?
<injekt>
startup releasing on tuesday
<judofyr>
nice
<judofyr>
at least the startup part
<injekt>
worked straight for the past 2-3 months
<injekt>
heh aye
<judofyr>
what's the idea? or is it still secret? :)
<injekt>
it's.. kinda still secret, nothing tech related (from a consumers pov)
<judofyr>
sure
<judofyr>
good luck though!
<injekt>
more for people in the property development area
<injekt>
thanks!
<injekt>
not sure whos idea it was to launch on valentines day
<injekt>
when we ALL have partners
<injekt>
but meh
<judofyr>
disregard females, acquire startups
<injekt>
:P
<injekt>
We all got 'its fine, you'll just have to make it up to me!'
<erikh>
hahaha
<erikh>
you guys
<erikh>
are fucked.
<injekt>
haha
<injekt>
already planned what I'm doing next weekend with mine
<erikh>
damnit
<erikh>
the socket is binding
<erikh>
and I still can't connect to it for some reason
<judofyr>
erikh: fucked in the literal sense then
<judofyr>
how's it going tallboy?
<erikh>
my wife's still limping around, so I get a get out of vday free card this year
<judofyr>
I'm seriously impressed by the general lurkingness of IRCers
<judofyr>
there's like, 363 poeple here
<erikh>
yeah this place is always quiet
<erikh>
either of you know anything about 0mq?
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<erikh>
I am running into a weird bug.
<erikh>
well, I think it's a bug at least.
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<skryking>
too busy coding to say much :)
<tallboy>
writing email
<tallboy>
haha
<erikh>
now it all f'n works
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<judofyr>
erikh: nothing else than it's awesome stuff
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<judofyr>
tallboy: I'll have get some sleep some now. sorry for being able to answer right away; I'll look at the email tomorrow!
<judofyr>
it's getting kinda late :/
<tallboy>
hey
<tallboy>
was just about to send. i udnerstand i just wanted to write some details in here