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<dominikh> thanks for reminding me to turn off WPS
<dominikh> "When an enrollee attempts to gain access using a PIN, the registrar reports the validity of the first and second halves of the PIN separately" ← that sounds an awful lot like hollywood style hacking
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<heftig> just a bit more and it'd be like playing MasterMind!
<dominikh> :D
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<Kellin> Anyone know of a good gem or way to grab ACL information off of a file in Linux with Ruby; RubyACL doesn't appear to be geared toward filesystem ACLs and the File class doesn't have it either.
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<Okasu> hello
<Okasu> http://vpaste.net/oW0lf i can't revieve emails at runtime
<Okasu> can someone help me?
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<Okasu> recieve*
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<Okasu> works fine with preexicting messages in box
<Okasu> but when new mail comes at runtime i get nothing
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<Okasu> impossibru, huh? :)
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<Okasu> do you need some additional info, maybe?
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<bnagy> Kellin: if you're still there - File.stat("f").mode
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<bnagy> is there an easy way to bundle ruby 1.9 scripts and gems for OSX as an 'app' ?
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<bnagy> ok, that itunes dup remover was a lot fiddlier than I thought
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<andrewvos> dominikh: That's the loophole? For fuck sakes http://bit.ly/xhagXg
<andrewvos> VirginMedia modem has stopped assingning IP addresses now. Have to specify them manually. Nice!
<rue> Fuck’s sake for fuck’s sake
<bnagy> #firstworldproblems
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<bnagy> anyone feel like helping me with soe newb gem stuff? I never actually make gems :(
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<andrewvos> bnagy: I will try
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<bnagy> woo
<bnagy> I just need a sanity check - I followed the rubygems guide thingy
<bnagy> in particular if that's the right way to deal with binaries
<bnagy> and I dunno if I need the shim in lib/
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<rue> You usually should have a lib/gemname.rb, even if you normally just use separate requires
<bnagy> ok. The main point of the gem is to provide the binary, but I can put a gemname.rb in lib/ anyway
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<rue> If you don’t expect people to ever use it as a library, it doesn’t matter much. You can still use it to require whatever it is you’d require separately, of course
<bnagy> there's some chance someone might just write the dedup script on the nokogiri lib that parses the music library
<bnagy> or write something else, who knows
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<Habib1983> hallo
<Habib1983> anyone here?
<Habib1983> cls
<Habib1983> clrscr
<Habib1983> Can anyone try to help me in my code?
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<bnagy> Habib1983: in general, if you have a question, just ask
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<bnagy> if anyone is around and can / wants to help, they will
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<Habib1983> thnx. the question is: i'm trying to set pos of cursor in terminal. i've tried it with "Curses"
<Habib1983> for exaample
<Habib1983> require 'curses'
<Habib1983> Curses.setpos(6, 3) # column 6, row 3
<Habib1983> print "O"
<Habib1983> and it gives me D:\programming\Ruby193\bin\ruby.exe -e $stdout.sync=true;$stderr.sync=true;load($0=ARGV.shift) D:/programming/made_apps/programs/1st.rb
<Habib1983> Redirection is not supported.
<Habib1983> Process finished with exit code 1
<bnagy> why are you trying to run it that way?
<Habib1983> So How do u set pos of cursor in text mode?
<bnagy> just ruby 1st.rb
<bnagy> your script isn't even starting to be run
<Habib1983> it's rubymine
<Habib1983> ok i try
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<Habib1983> i ran it ur way and it just prints "O"
<Habib1983> not seting pos
<Habib1983> in the left upper corner
<Habib1983> by the way io'm using windows terminal
<bnagy> I guessed by your paths
<bnagy> I can't help with the curses side, never used it
<bnagy> but at least your script is running now
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<Habib1983> yeah lol
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<Habib1983> So can anyone else tell about setting position of cursor in terminal?
<Habib1983> my task is to run somekind of arkanoid in text mode
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<bnagy> I think programming ruby (the free book) has examples for that online
<bnagy> well, pong, but that's more or less arkanoid rotated 90 degrees
<pbjorklund> Thanks for the answer yesterday Rue. It's actually quite clear in the docs that I need to pass a negative limit to split, don't know how I missed that one.
<Habib1983> what is pong?
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<Habib1983> ah yeah i know it
<Habib1983> but is it in text mode?
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<bnagy> I believe so, otherwise I would have said 'here is something not at all relevant to the conversation we were just having'
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<Habib1983> thnx for answers <bnagy>
<bnagy> np, good luck
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<Where_Is_Void> What's the best way to save and retrieve a massive hash?
<Where_Is_Void> I tried using yaml but loading it takes forever
<bnagy> don't
<Where_Is_Void> oh ok haha
<bnagy> :)
<bnagy> try tokyocabinet or something maybe
<bnagy> oklahoma_mixer is a good gem
<bnagy> and the TC hash db acts just like a hash
<Where_Is_Void> ok cool I'll have a look at those
<bnagy> Where_Is_Void: btw, if you really have to serialize, try Marshal or MessagePack
<bnagy> going to be way faster than YAML
<bnagy> but if it's a huge hash there are probably other benefits to using an actual KV store
<Where_Is_Void> the hash is a trie dictionary
<Where_Is_Void> of words for a game
<bnagy> why is it so big, then?
<bnagy> even a full english dictionary is not a hugr trie
<bnagy> *huge
<Where_Is_Void> haha I got the stanford list of words and put it in there
<Where_Is_Void> I can trim it though
<Where_Is_Void> becuase there are a lot of words that I don;t need in there
<Where_Is_Void> wc word_tree.yaml
<Where_Is_Void> 3070644 4322899 115686168 word_tree.yaml
<bnagy> you're doing shared prefix stuff, right?
<Where_Is_Void> yea that's right
<bnagy> weird
<bnagy> ok gtg
<Where_Is_Void> ok thanks for your help
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<andrewvos> bnagy: Crap I forgot I said I would help you!
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<andrewvos> I have never hated a company so much in my life.
<erikh> I've gotta call verizon to get my ipad cell stuff sorted
<erikh> friday night, I waited on hold for an hour, talked to someone for about 25 minutes, they blind transferred me to apple, who told me I needed to talk... to verizon
<erikh> called verizon back and they were closed.
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<andrewvos> haha nice
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<shevy> verizon is the reason for wanting to kill people
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<andrewvos> OK I got my internet working. The fix? I moved my router. Go to stop immediately thinking it's VirginMedia all the time. I suppose if their service wasn't so shit then I wouldn't though.
<andrewvos> Got*
<erikh> what part of diablo are you on now?
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<rue> andrewvos: And you laugh when people kick hardware
<rue> They’re just relocating it
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<rue> Guise, if I want to refer to the 41th row of each column separately for all subsequent rows in excelsheet, meaning that A41 won’t work (because it gets generalized to A42 and so on) and $A41 won’t work because I want A, B, C… do I need to use some stupid RELATIVECELLREF() or other function?
<rue> Did I mention that spreadsheets are the dumbest thing ever invented in computing?
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<shevy> I am sure some things must be worse than spreadsheets
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<andrewvos> erikh: I just killed the butcher and am in some desert land getting murdered every time I try play
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<andrewvos> erikh: Actually I did go a bit further
<andrewvos> erikh: But yeah
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<rue> Diablo gameplay summarized: I’m in a place and there’s stuff
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<shevy> and you must slay stuff
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<lianj> meh, still no mwrc videos on confreaks
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<shevy> lianj let's watch teletubbies!
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<andrewvos> I want to write a CI tool that is all text file based. I don't want any painful xml configuration, and I only want it to be available in the terminal.
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<andrewvos> Does this sound like a good idea?
<andrewvos> Someone tell me why I'm being stupid please.
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<rue> Because something like that probably exists?
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<andrewvos> rue: Not seen anything like that.
<andrewvos> rue: Have you?
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<rue> Dunno, nothing for Hudson? Or Jenkeenns
<andrewvos> rue: I hate Hudson/Jenkins so so much.
<andrewvos> Basically I want the build to be a gem with some useful commands
<andrewvos> like <gem name> build:latest:tail
<andrewvos> build:current:tail maybe
<andrewvos> Maybe I should have said "I want to write a new CI server"
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<rue> Maybe you could use Travis
<rking> How do Hudson, Jenkins, and Travis compare?
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<rking> andrewvos: I don't really understand what your problem statement is. You don't like X and Y because of why?
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<andrewvos> rking: The user interface in Hudson/Jenkins is basically enough to drive me away.
<rking> Ahh.
<andrewvos> rking: I spend a lot of my time fixing builds and creating build configurations.
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<rking> andrewvos: You know about the IRC bots from travis and stuff?
<andrewvos> And I think that having your entire build script in some textbox on a webpage is insane.
<andrewvos> rking: I do, but travis is just not going to cut it in the type of companies I work for.
<andrewvos> Firstly, it only builds public projects.
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<andrewvos> (I do think travis is the coolest thing in the world though)
<andrewvos> But it doesn't really do the stuff you need, like deployment.
<rue> I’m not sure a CI server should be doing deployment anyway
<andrewvos> rue: Then what should?
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<rking> andrewvos: I mean, what you want sounds really custom. What work does a CI gem need to do that you're not going to override?
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<spuk> you can write a build script, save it somewhere, and have jenkins run it, instead of having it all in the web app
<deryl> rue actually it seems to be a move i've noticed. people seem to be moving towards using a PASS on the CI to spawn deployments, and FAIL for notification to the group. we, in rvm, have been doing that. we separate the deployment process (we wait for a PASS to be generated and then it kicks off a separate deploy call), but we do use it for that reason.
<rue> deryl: Correct
<deryl> i think we do it the smarter way, having a separate process that does the actual deployment, but i've noticed many are using the PASS to cause the deployment *within* the same process.
<deryl> i agree with you they should be separate, however, other than its easier to troubleshoot two separate processes, can you give me another reason? (actually interested because the big thing coming back is why shouldn't I if the CI passed)
<deryl> not being a professional developer (as in working for a dev company) i don't really have an answer for them beyond what i mentioned.
<deryl> my belief they should be separate is more innate a gut decision. not sure that qualifies as a professional reason not to hehe
<deryl> and not working professionally, i'm definitely probably missing some additionals in a professional situation that *I* don't run into
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<deryl> or am i asking something that should be readily apparant
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<shevy> deryl likes to write!
<deryl> i jus tlike to talk about things that interest me. that subject interests me. not like i'm stopping the channel from talking about other things, nor am i talking about something far off topic for the channel
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<erikh> continuous deployment seems like a train wreck waiting to happen
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<rue> Yes, but it’s like an infinite train!
<erikh> on the phone with verizon again! yaaaaaay
<rue> Yay verizon
<rue> Did you know what Verizon means ‘truth butt’ in Romanian?
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<erikh> on hold again!
<erikh> wooooot
<erikh> I bet I just got blind transferred
<erikh> just ... love this
<erikh> I guess not -- I got a good CSR yay
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<dphase> what would be best practice for gsub'ing only one match of a regex?
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<burgestrand> dphase: sub’ing
<burgestrand> :p
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<dphase> thanks
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<burgestrand> dphase: the “g” in gsub is for “global”
<dphase> right
<dphase> well, my regex has several matches, and i need to modify the first backreference based on the value of the last back reference
<dphase> there will also be _many_ instances of the overall match in the file, hence the gsub usage
<rue> …Now you have 2 problems.
<dphase> i think i just solved it :)
<dphase> i blame it on just leaving a camping trip
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<erikh> yay got it fixed
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<Tasser> shevy, ask bugger :-)
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<Habib1983> Hi everyone!
<Habib1983> can anyone tell me how to set pos of cursor in terminal in windows?
<Habib1983> please
<Habib1983> cos i'm stuck with this
<Habib1983> and looking for this info for long time
<rue> Curses, termcap?
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<rue> Some magical ANSI combination?
<Habib1983> <rue> yeah i've tried Curses. but it doesnt work
<Habib1983> no just trying to write some kind of arkanoid in text mode
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<Habib1983> what to use ncurses or curses?
<seanstickle> ncurses
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<Habib1983> thnx
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<pbjorklund> I'm doing a ruby puzzle and need to make true return false. I don't really know what I'm after, any tips? (ie general pointers, not the solution)
<pbjorklund> Didn't really find anything I could do with TrueClass even though I guess thats the key
<burgestrand> pbjorklund: redefine TrueClass#==
<burgestrand> pbjorklund: I assume the code looks like assert true, false
<burgestrand> or similar
<burgestrand> Perhaps assert_equal true, false
<burgestrand> Actually, that was a bit too much.
<burgestrand> Unread it.
<burgestrand> Instead, think of what “assert_equal” really does, and jump in there.
<burgestrand> ^^
<pbjorklund> Tack, will go fiddle :)
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<pbjorklund> Fascinating that you can override the comparison operators of true and false in ruby.
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<Okasu> hello
<Okasu> can someona help me with IMAP?
<seanstickle> Okasu: !ask
<seanstickle> DAng
<seanstickle> Okasu: just ask your question; if someone can help, they will.
<Okasu> seanstickle: esterday i did, but noone helps me :.)
<seanstickle> So?
<seanstickle> I didn't promise anyone *would* help.
<seanstickle> Only that they might.
<Okasu> i need to write app that constantly checks inbox and outputs new mails
<Okasu> i managed to fo it partially
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<Okasu> now my app works with preexisted messages in inbox
<Okasu> like send mail -> run app -> get mail
<Okasu> but run app -> send mail -> get nothing
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<Okasu> i need run app -> send mail -> get mail
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<Okasu> there is only "send mail -> run app -> get mail" examples on the net
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<rue> Fetchmail?
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<Okasu> net/imap
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<Okasu> http://vpaste.net/c85tE that how i do it
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<Okasu> http://vpaste.net/9gnfC here my loop that should recieve all new messages
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<Okasu> "send mail -> run app -> get mail" work, "run app -> send mail -> get mail" doesn't work
<Okasu> god why
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<shevy> ruby 2.0 where are you
<banisterfiend> shevy: it's about a year away iirc
<shevy> I cant wait anymore!
<seanstickle> You really want those named parameters, huh?
<shevy> I should stop coding for a year
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<lianj> shevy: did you switch to 1.9 yet anyway?
<shevy> lianj kinda yeah
<shevy> but I also still use 1.8.7
<shevy> I am like a dual versionist now
<lianj> so why cry about 2.0
<shevy> I want to feel that the switch was worth it :(
<seanstickle> Hopefully it will be easier than the Python 2 -> Python 3 switch
<seanstickle> Which is a fuckall mess
<shevy> yeah
<rue> Alakazam, it’s now 2013
<rue> Please adjust your system time
<seanstickle> They say Python 2.7 is the last of the 2 series
<seanstickle> But I don't believe it
<seanstickle> There will be a 2.8, because few people want to move to 3
<shevy> really?
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<shevy> they should kill 2.x
<seanstickle> Not gonna happen.
<seanstickle> People will fork it.
<seanstickle> Too much code in 2 for people to rework it for 3
<shevy> hmmm
<shevy> guido should forbid it
<seanstickle> Guido has
<seanstickle> Doesnt matter
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<shevy> he should rename the 2.x branch to Oldthon
<shevy> noone will run Oldthon forever
<seanstickle> We didn't all jump over to Perl 6 either
<seanstickle> Perl 6 stuff just gets backported to Perl 5
<shevy> yeah but larry is not behind perl 6 :(
<seanstickle> Python 3 stuff will just get backported to Python 2
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<seanstickle> from badideaforpython import *
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<Okasu> maybe some thoughts about what can i do to figure out how to fix my problem?
<shevy> Okasu dunno I never did anything with ruby and mail together
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<erikh> perl 5 is still very popular among perl mongers.
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<seanstickle> erikh: that's my point
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<erikh> right
<erikh> the big rewrite always fails
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<erikh> matz is smart by creating two parallel designs
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<zzak> you mean mruby and mri?
<shevy> I knew it!
<shevy> mruby will replace mri
<zzak> doubtful, mri's ecosystem is very strong
<zzak> they both have a place
<zzak> and mri will continue to be maintained
<shevy> yeah
<shevy> until it is ready to be replaced
<shevy> :)
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<heftig> and i thought rbx was the best candidate
<shevy> dunno, they seem to have lost momentum
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<banisterfiend> shevy: have u ever used rbx? :)
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<shevy> banisterfiend nope. I tried to compile it, 3x in total over several months. I failed every single time
<shevy> so I stopped with it. MRI compiles nicely here
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<banisterfiend> shevy: u r the eternal noob to end all noobs
<shevy> banisterfiend ok. then why does MRI compile fine here
<banisterfiend> hehe
<banisterfiend> no idea im just being a smartass, but rbx isnt so hard to compile, do u have rvm setup?
<shevy> I can give it another try in a bit, but I first have to restore util.h
<shevy> nah, please
<shevy> never rvm
<shevy> I stick to good old C sources directly without any layer I have to first understand what it does
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<shevy> struggling with .rpm right now :(
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<zzak> trust your tools
<zzak> they make life easy
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<andrewvos> So yeah I just missed a perfectly good conversation. Shouldn't have wandered off.
<shevy> andrewvos!
<shevy> andkerosine is missing :(
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<erikh> mruby, as I understand it, is intended to be ruby with lua-like embedding properties
<erikh> I think (and this is my opinion only) that it will make sense to only maintain one after a time
<erikh> and if mruby is at all successful that will be the one to maintain.
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<andrewvos> I would like to see an infographicy type thing with every language on it and lines showing the languages that compile to other languages.
<andrewvos> Can someone get on this?
<erikh> andrewvos: well volunteered
<andrewvos> NOOOOOOOO
<erikh> anyhow, really, if you want balls-deep ruby you're using jruby anyhow
<andrewvos> The JVM makes me hate the letter j.
<erikh> the JVM is quite nice as I am told
<erikh> and is not to be confused with the other J-word
<andrewvos> Juniper?
<erikh> java.
<andrewvos> Oh yeah that's what they all say. But it always ends in java though doesn't it
<erikh> java, the language, is what most people hate
<erikh> the jvm is a whole different matter
<erikh> it's a bit like saying you hate C because you don't like python's syntax.
<andrewvos> Well, kind of but that's a bit extreme possibly.
<andrewvos> Do agree though.
<zzak> i dont like c because i hate borland
<erikh> zzak: you are not old enough to make that joke
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<erikh> :P
<zzak> yah, i have never used borland
<andrewvos> So turns out I would need a team of researchers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages
<erikh> I used a lot of turbo pascal; never their C++ product though.
<zzak> ive been meaning to play with freepascal
<erikh> I liked pascal, but I wasn't a very learned programmer back then
<erikh> I don't know if I'd like it now.
<erikh> this was about 20 years ago
<zzak> its still "active" i think
<zzak> yah, 2.6 came out in january
<erikh> pascal has a few implementations
<erikh> or are you talking about freepascal?
<zzak> freepascal 2.6
<zzak> but embarcadero delphi is an active commercial platform
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<erikh> oh yeah, there are a lot of pascal derivatives
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<erikh> oberon and modula-3 are too, IIRC.
<erikh> well, the whole modula series
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<zzak> i remember running into it when i was looking for windows compilers
<zzak> never got to try it tho
<erikh> windows pascal compilers?
<erikh> yeah, I think delphi is what you want there.
<zzak> just compilers in general
<erikh> ah.
<erikh> C# is a nice language
<erikh> if you haven't tried yet.
<zzak> only a little
<zzak> i got vs express on windows, and mono on ubuntu
<erikh> vs express works with sharpdevelop IIRC
<zzak> i preferred tinkering with mono though, can still use vim
<erikh> the .NET stuff is one of the few places I agree is enhanced by an IDE
<zzak> im still not used to the windows toolchain
<erikh> it's just so huge (twss)
<zzak> yah, mono does have an ide too
<erikh> visual studio is surprisingly useful
<erikh> I love my vim too, but for that kind of stuff, man. what a boon.
<erikh> brb
<zzak> the people behind mono are doing some neat stuff with c#
<zzak> android, ios too
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<zzak> mono vs. dalvik is impressive
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<seoaqua> what is the orgnization style of https://github.com/tenderlove/mechanize ,pls ? i want to learn and make my project in the same way. [there was no response in #ruby, so i repeat it here]
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<erikh> seoaqua: gem install mechanize; cd $(dirname `gem which mechanize`),
<erikh> type ls and cd a lot
<erikh> there you go
<erikh> there's no "named style" if that's what you're asking.
<seoaqua> erikh, i meant the source code style
<rking> seoaqua: You can use jeweler.
<rking> gem install jeweler
<rking> Pretty good.
<seoaqua> erikh, e.g. @agent = Mechanize::HTTP::Agent.new [there is the path / lib / mechanize / http / agent.rb]