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<Harzilein> drbrain: <chris2> http://sprunge.us/RZVP
<Harzilein> drbrain: :(
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<drbrain> Harzilein: how odd
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<drbrain> I guess you'd need to wrap strftime_l then
<drbrain> Harzilein: my man page says "the strftime() function uses the current locale"
<chris2> ooh
<chris2> but we need locale init stuff
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<Harzilein> drbrain: so does mine :/
<chris2> Harzilein: which os?
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<drbrain> chris2: OS X for me
<chris2> i guess i need setlocale(3) first on linux
<erikh> still I'll put money on absolutely none of this working on windows
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<chris2> yep
<chris2> {:ruby=>"Thu"}
<chris2> {:libc=>"Do"}
<lianj> kein ffi? wegen stdlib?
<chris2> yep
<lianj> ups, wrong channel oO
<chris2> and not longer
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<Harzilein> hmm http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/138092#616502 makes a point about setlocale being dangerous in the face of stdlib stuff assuming a fixed locale
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<freedrull> so there's this new streaming in rails 4 http://tenderlovemaking.com/2012/07/30/is-it-live.html....and there was the 'chunked-reponse' thingy...i'm kind of confused about the difference
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<zenspider> freedrull: I think they're the same. the difference is how the internal app layers handle data
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<freedrull> zenspider: hmmm...
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<roadt> hi, curious about the difference between T_ICLASS and T_CLASS of ruby.h in ruby source code.
<roadt> is it meaning 'intermediary class'? since i see lots of T_ICLASS is created when some op tried to modify the class.
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<andrewvos> Heh. For 70000 emails, mutt is slow as hell.
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<OrganicCat> Morning RoR!
<rolfb> o_O
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<andrewvos> Ergh turns out I didn't have caching on :(
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<roadt> O_o
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<andrewvos> o-o
<andrewvos> \o-o/
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<ddfreyne> khaase: enjoy ghent :)
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<andrewvos> If a method has a splat argument, that splat becomes an Array right. If I want to call another method with a splat, do I just do `another_method(*old_args)`
<andrewvos> ?
<andrewvos> >
<whitequark> yes
<andrewvos> Thanks
<andrewvos> It worked, but wanted to make sure.
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<judofyr> andrewvos: it will also call #to_a on old_args, so you can do cool stuff: class Foo; def to_a; [:puts, "Hello"] end end; 123.send(*Foo.new)
<andrewvos> judofyr: Weeeird
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<judofyr> andrewvos: awesome :)
<andrewvos> heh
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<andrewvos> judofyr: Apart from the fact that it took me like a minute to understand what was going on there :)
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<andrewvos> (But that *is* just me)
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<oddmunds> burgestrand: yo, do you know which gem/lib is handiest for getting playlist info from spotify?
<burgestrand> oddmunds: I don’t think greenstripes work anymore, and pyspotify is mostly for writing your own spotify client — I think hallon, the raw spotify gem, or writing it in C is your currently available options. :o
<burgestrand> s/is your/are your/
<burgestrand> oddmunds: because the metadata api does not support playlists
<burgestrand> oddmunds: hallon-heroku support playlists nowadays, you could look there for examples
<burgestrand> Frankly, hallon has become somewhat of a nuisance for me, I don’t really like what it’s become.
<oddmunds> hmmm
<oddmunds> i'll look into the raw thing, then
<burgestrand> (which is why I’m expanding the spotify gem, and once I am content with that I am rewriting hallon)
<burgestrand> oddmunds: alright. There is an example in the GitHub repo for logging in: http://goo.gl/ep5jv — if you need any help just send an e-mail to the mailing list :)
<oddmunds> allright
<burgestrand> oddmunds: I would advice you to use the current GitHub master, and not the current gem release. I haven’t made a release in a while, and there has been significant improvements for using the raw gem lately.
<oddmunds> ok
<oddmunds> right
<oddmunds> nice
<burgestrand> (not many changes, but the gem protects you against segfaults from passing invalid data much better nowadays)
<oddmunds> i cloned the repo to check out the example, and a bundle install used the local source for the gem
<burgestrand> Yeah :)
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<burgestrand> oddmunds: oh, use bundle exec ruby spotify_example.rb, and not just ruby spotify_example.rb
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<oddmunds> yeah, found that out
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<oddmunds> still didn't work, though :/
<burgestrand> oddmunds: could you provide a little more information? perhaps in a private message to spare everyone in here?
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<rue|w> oddmunds: Noo, just complain loudly
<rue|w> Refuse to elaborate
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<burgestrand> For the record, the README has been updated with the missing step ^^
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<Shine-neko> Hello
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<burgestrand> Shine-neko: yee-haw.
<Shine-neko> how are u ?
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<burgestrand> Shine-neko: shiny!
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<Shine-neko> :D
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<OrganicCat> I started programming in RoR recently and just completed a small app that stores and returns some data (without scaffolding the hell out of it). I now want to get into some basic authentication and ajax queries, where should I start on that? (I've done it before with PHP)
<burgestrand> OrganicCat: start with authentication. As far as AJAX goes it’s the same as for PHP: it’s in javascript.
<burgestrand> OrganicCat: you could write your own, or (as you’ll be likely to do in future applications) use a gem for it. But since this is RoR I would suggest you ask in the #ror channel, it’s specific to these kinds of questions. :)
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<steveklabnik> OrganicCat: i'm actually writing the rails guide to ajax right now. current draft is here: https://github.com/steveklabnik/rails/blob/4ba96dd4d7cacd32ede70c21c3b034c479e724d6/guides/source/working_with_javascript.md
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<rolfb> steveklabnik: looks neat
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<judofyr> Shine-neko: "an introdocution"?
<judofyr> steveklabnik: ^
<judofyr> damn autocomplete
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<Shine-neko> judofyr: ? :D
<judofyr> Shine-neko: sorry, wrong name
<Shine-neko> ^^
<judofyr> Shine-neko: I guess I can't depend on "s" + <Tab> to autocomplete to steveklabnik here :P
<Shine-neko> \0/
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<rolfb> judofyr: so you are basically saying you tried to s<tab> steve?
<rolfb> o_O
<burgestrand> steveklabnik: sweet. No love for the $(document).on API?
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<judofyr> rolfb: s<tab> is all you need
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<andrewvos> erikh: You around? Someone here is using your DBI gem and getting this when connecting: NameError: uninitialized constant DBI::DBD::Jdbc::Driver::InterfaceError
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<andrewvos> Do we need a gem?
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<rolfb> judofyr: i hear music in my head now, thanks
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<burgestrand> Actually, don’t really care, just wanted to point it out. :p
<andrewvos> erikh: Oh ok I'm guessing it's this https://github.com/chadj/dbd-jdbc
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<steveklabnik> burgestrand: $(document).on?
<steveklabnik> judofyr: lol
<steveklabnik> undersc0re97: thanks, fixing
<undersc0re97> wat
<steveklabnik> undersc0re97: sorry, everyone in this room is tab failing
<steveklabnik> i mistyped
<undersc0re97> kk
<burgestrand> steveklabnik: it’s some new jQuery idiom (jQuery 1.8 maybe?) that replaces the earlier way of attaching handlers (click(), focus() etc).
<steveklabnik> ahhh
<judofyr> steveklabnik: I'm probably writing an article on gotchas with Turbolinks after spending some time implementing something similar for a project
<steveklabnik> yeah, I want to keep it as basic as possible
<steveklabnik> judofyr: sweet!
<steveklabnik> do it
<burgestrand> For some reason all event handlers are attached to the document, which I’m not sure what my standpoint is. Nice to avoid document.ready, weird to have *ALL* handlers on the document.
<steveklabnik> despite what you may think from my tweets, i dont really care about turbolinks
<steveklabnik> it's fine, but it's not jesus.
<burgestrand> You can still attach them to elements though, of course, it’s just that the documentation doesn’t.
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<judofyr> steveklabnik: there are quite a few edgecases you need to be aware of when you're using Turbolinks together with jQuery in order to not leak memory
<steveklabnik> interesting
<steveklabnik> are they possible to submit as bugfixes to turbolinks?
<judofyr> steveklabnik: well, you can call jQuery.cleanData(dom) whenever a page is removed from the cache.
<judofyr> but I think it's better solved with more control over the cache (e.g. page:purge event) where you can clean up stuff yourself
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<judofyr> steveklabnik: there's also cases where you want to be notified when a page is moved from the screen into the cache (e.g. so you don't keep repainting a <canvas>-tag that's only available in the cache)
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<steveklabnik> interesting
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<judofyr> I think it's unfortunate that 37s (apparently) have only used Turbolinks in a small mobile site with very limited JS
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<judofyr> I'm using the same technique in a music-player-site (to be able to browse while playing music) and I ended up with a slightly modified version of PJAX, with special callbacks for handling the lifecycle of the DOM elements (onscree, cache, purged)
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<crankharder> how can i launch a bash program, execute a block of ruby and then have said program terminated?
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<judofyr> steveklabnik: I'll let you know if I write something down; kinda tired this week
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<steveklabnik> :)
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<codelitt> Hello, anyone out there with a decent amount of experience with deploying Sinatra on Heroku? I am having a problem with a simple JQuery scrolling script not working on deploy. It works locally just fine. I've seriously been stuck for hours. Google is not helping me at all. Anyone willing to take a look at my code and give me a bit of advice?
<codelitt> I would appreciate it super mucho
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<judofyr> codelitt: have you checked the web console for errors?
<codelitt> judofyr: yes. I'm not getting any errors. All 200s on my javascript files and everything else.
<andrewvos> codelitt: Code?
<codelitt> ya
<codelitt> github.com/codelitt/readysetdrop
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<codelitt> ignore the styling. waiting on the designer
<andrewvos> codelitt: Why is js not in public/ ?
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<andrewvos> Oh wait
<judofyr> where's main.js?
<codelitt> andrewvos: using sinatra-asset-pack
<andrewvos> judofyr: app/js
<judofyr> oh, that's the generated file?
<andrewvos> judofyr: Oh it's not
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<codelitt> judofyr: sinatra-asset-pack serves up all the js based on how I define it in readysetdrop.rb
<judofyr> codelitt: yeah, I get it now.
<codelitt> judofyr: You can see the deploy at readysetdrop.herokuapp.com
<codelitt> andrewvos: same
<judofyr> codelitt: I'm getting error: "$ is not defined" in the console
<judofyr> codelitt: caused by a syntax error in main.js
<codelitt> judofyr: hmmm
<codelitt> judofyr: one sec
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<codelitt> judofyr: I redeployed and think I fixed it
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<judofyr> codelitt: still failing here
<codelitt> judofyr: ya for me too
<codelitt> judofyr: it's not giving me that error locally
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<codelitt> judofyr: thank you. It's a starting point. I just have no idea why it's doing that on deploy and not locally
<judofyr> codelitt: the minifier is doing something funky
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<judofyr> codelitt: $el.is('input')?'val':'html'state=state+'Text'data.resetText||$el.data('resetText',$el[val]())
<judofyr> it just insert semi-colons
<judofyr> it should*
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<codelitt> fudofyr: I see.
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<judofyr> "151 participants"
<judofyr> "276 comments"
<judofyr> it's a know bug :)
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<judofyr> codelitt: I don't know why it uses jsmin when you deploy though
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<codelitt> judofyr: hey thanks!
<codelitt> judofyr: i don't feel quite so idiotic now :)
<codelitt> judofyr: sinatra-asset-pack uses it as a default.
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<codelitt> judofyr: think I should switch up minifiers? or just add the damn semicolon :P
<codelitt> ?
<judofyr> codelitt: there's *a lot* of missing semicolons in bootstrap :P
<codelitt> judofyr: great.
<codelitt> judofyr: haha
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<codelitt> judofyr: maybe switching minifiers then
<codelitt> judofyr: are you also getting this error: ReferenceError: $ is not defined (function(){var scrollLink=$('a.scroll') ?
<judofyr> codelitt: yes, but that is because it main.js fails.
<codelitt> judofyr: that's in my little scroll script file (appscroll.js)
<judofyr> codelitt: main.js fails, so jQuery is never loaded
<codelitt> judofyr: you sir, are a genius
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<judofyr> :)
<codelitt> judofyr: makes complete sense now
<codelitt> judofyr: okay. I'll work on switching up minifiers and ping you back with results in a bit if that's okay.
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<resure> What is official channel, #ruby or #ruby-lang?
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<matti> C in Ruby would be C89 or C99?
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<matti> I am trying to put my finger on how to code extensions.
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<crankharder> anyone used capybara/poltergeist as a screen scraper? I can't get a page to load since capybara is apparently(?) dependent on having a rack app loaded
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<matti> steveklabnik: It does not say what standard CRuby adhers nor it is a coding guideline, sadly.
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<matti> steveklabnik: I was looking at some files, and they are all over the shop.
<matti> steveklabnik: And some use stdint.h for instance, some don't ...
<matti> I guess, its "whatever works / done in the past" priniciple ;]
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<steveklabnik> well, they link to it
<steveklabnik> so it shouldnt really matter
<steveklabnik> if it's C89 or c99
<steveklabnik> since they're abi-copatible
<steveklabnik> correct?
<steveklabnik> compatible
<steveklabnik> yay slow connections
<matti> Sure. I was more interested in finding our how CRuby feels about stdint.h etc.
<matti> steveklabnik: I prefer uint32_t over unsigned int, etc.
<matti> steveklabnik: And CRuby has some cruft like HAVE_LONG_LONG ...
<steveklabnik> well, try to compile it ;)
<matti> It does work.
<matti> But it does not mean its portable.
<matti> I have no idea if it will build on some crazy X architecture.
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<matti> Or, pew pew Windows.
<matti> ;d
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<steveklabnik> well
<matti> Wll
<matti> ;d
<whitequark> steveklabnik: try mosh
<steveklabnik> you'd have to copmile it on windows ;)
<steveklabnik> whitequark: mosh?
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<matti> steveklabnik: *pants*
<matti> ;d
<whitequark> steveklabnik: http://mosh.mit.edu/
<steveklabnik> matti: you can distribute binary gems or just them as source
<whitequark> ssh for slow connections
<steveklabnik> ahh
<matti> whitequark: Mosh is awesome.
<whitequark> basically it emulates a little bit of readline's behavior, allowing you to observe most of your editing locally
<whitequark> plus handles things like sudden IP changes
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<whitequark> or high packet loss
<matti> whitequark: More than that. It will make sure that your connection is semi-persistent with keeping tunnels ups.
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<whitequark> matti: oh, it also keeps tunnels up?!
<matti> steveklabnik: I deny existence of OS X and Windows ;p
<matti> whitequark: That's the point of Mosh, isnt it?
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<whitequark> matti: by "tunnel" I mean port forwarding
<matti> whitequark: 1 stage is AAA over SSH.
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<matti> whitequark: And then it will open high port for UDP.
<steveklabnik> matti: then you dont need to care.
<matti> steveklabnik: I was joking ;]
<steveklabnik> :)
<whitequark> matti: unless you also deny existence of anything Unix-like except Linux you can not deny existence of OS X
<matti> whitequark: I have internal struggle over that one ;p
<matti> ;d
<whitequark> even I won't go that far
<matti> Haha
<whitequark> we need *some* diversity
<whitequark> you know, for people to compare Linux to everything else and choose the best one
<whitequark> *grin*
<matti> whitequark: I like their hardware, dislike their OS X.
<whitequark> matti: look at UX32VD
<whitequark> basically that's a cheaper and better Air
<matti> I also dislike BSD user space.
<matti> Make me cringe.
<matti> Makes*
<whitequark> (by "better" I mean that it has every part replaceable and there are models with hybrid graphics.)
<whitequark> and otherwise it looks and works pretty much like an Air clone
<whitequark> which probably means that lawyers are already out and you'd better get one while they're still available :)
<matti> LOL
<matti> Good point.
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<matti> I have Samsung.
<matti> ;p
<whitequark> I've had samsung prior to this notebook
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<whitequark> compared to ux32vd it's basically a big, heavy, creaky plastic brick
<whitequark> it had very powerful internals for less than $1000, through
<whitequark> top Sandy Bridge, top mobile GeForce
<whitequark> and served me well
<zzak> whitequark: ive got the ux31a
<whitequark> (you really, really want a 8-core SB when you're doing heavyweight processing in JRuby, trust me)
<zzak> the i5 version
<matti> Ohai zzak
<zzak> hi
<whitequark> zzak: yeah, fullhd IPS display. it's awesome :)
<zzak> yessir
<zzak> plus a 23" asus
<matti> :<
<matti> I want one too.
* matti steals is from whitequark
<matti> HAHAHA
<whitequark> lol
<matti> My previousss...
<whitequark> hey it's just $1250 or so
<matti> Phhh
<matti> Peanuts.
<zzak> whitequark: asus makes some quality stuff
* matti is poor ;/
<zzak> matti: get the i3 version
<whitequark> zzak: I hated asus for some years
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<whitequark> I've got their old laptop where video RAM has desoldered itself twice
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<whitequark> which basically means that it has heated to over 300 deg Celsium
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<whitequark> which I don't ever understand how it could sustain at all and still work somehow
<zzak> matti: the ux32a-db31 is 2nd generation i3 for $700
<zzak> 13" display
<whitequark> zzak: well, it's not really that awesome without the IPS matrix
<zzak> its good for the price
<whitequark> well yeah
<zzak> i have a hard time reading the IPS sometimes, have to increase font size
<whitequark> OS?
<zzak> ubuntu
<whitequark> I've had DPI raised to 170 and it's pretty good except Chrome
<zzak> i used a eee pc 1201 for a few years before this one
<whitequark> if you're using Sublime Text I have a theme port for you
<zzak> vim
<whitequark> my font size is like this: http://imgur.com/5jEO5
<zzak> i usually code on my external unless im at the cafe, but screen is closer so its manageable
<whitequark> isn't hard to read at all
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<whitequark> in Chrome, you can set up 125% zoom as the default one, works well too
<zzak> i've only increased it on libre calc, but i dont need the fonts larger on my external
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<whitequark> depends on your vision probably
* whitequark has -3 and it's not awesome
<zzak> yeh
<zzak> wish you could set font size per monitor haha
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<zzak> i up'd chrome to 125% default tho, good tip
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<whitequark> zzak: well you can
<whitequark> but not with Xinerama
<whitequark> i.e. you need to have separate X servers for that
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<whitequark> you could have a hard time convincing a multitude of apps and your DE that they can trust the X server's dpi, but it's doable
<whitequark> oh also
<whitequark> xrandr --output eDP1 --scale 0.75x0.75
<whitequark> try this
<whitequark> I've been using that to play FTL in windowed mode without resorting to magnifying glass
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<zzak> thats too much like work
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<matti> zzak: Nice, and not that expensive.
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<zzak> gotta love that aluminum chassis
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<codelitt> judofyr: just said fuck it and killed the bootstrap js files. not even uglier could take care of all the damn missing semicolons in bootstrap.
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<nyuszika7h> hi, any idea why I'm getting this strange error?
<nyuszika7h> ./prime_division:3:in `require_relative': cannot load such file -- /home/nyuszika7h/scripts/ruby/lib/primes (LoadError)
<nyuszika7h> from ./prime_division:3:in `<main>'
<nyuszika7h> -rw-r--r-- 1 nyuszika7h nyuszika7h 208 Oct 4 18:36 lib/primes
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<soahccc> nyuszika7h: Problem still exist?
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<nyuszika7h> soahccc, nope, fixed by adding .rb extension
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<tubbo> w/c
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<sunaku> hello
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<robgleeson__> hey sunaku
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<andrewvos> zzak: You're using offlineimap right? Could you get it to sync [Gmail]/Chats?
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<chris2> andrewvos: i disabled them for imap
<andrewvos> chris2: Why?
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<postmodern> suddenly, after I exit out of ruby's built-in debugger from irb, the process hits 100% CPU
<postmodern> anyone know what causes this?
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<postmodern> just started today
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<soahccc> postmodern: hmm have no real idea though... did you checked out pry?
<postmodern> soahccc, yes i know of pry
<postmodern> soahccc, but trying to solve this specific bug
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<soahccc> you might give some more information like irb version and your environment
<soahccc> got irb 0.9.6 on os x running fine :)
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<postmodern> soahccc, well i got a gdb trace of it
<postmodern> soahccc, appears to be generating/printing an infinite backtrace
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