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krzbrg >
how does one surpress the join/quit messages on Freenode?
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drbrain >
krzbrg: my client has a setting
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krzbrg >
yeah, I had a setting on my client as well but I'm using the web client
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irssi can do it
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erikh >
drbrain: do you know where in the ruby openssl glue OpenSSL::SSL::SSLContext is defined?
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erikh >
looks like in the C, but I'm having a hard time finding it
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erikh >
of course I find it like 10 seconds after I ask
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wnd >
that's how irc works
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ged >
Heh, so true.
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erikh >
holy crap this openssl code scares me
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erikh >
"want to see how much mutable state I can put in a single file?"
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Aria >
It's like exploit a day in there.
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Aria >
And horror a minute.
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yeah, I found the jumping point for the callback I need, but the object I care about comes from an indirect store; an X509 context
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erikh >
it is thoughtfully named 'ctx'
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and since everything comes through indirection via openssl, it's next to impossible to find out where it got created or mapped
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krzbrg >
what is the best way to render a few ERB files at once?
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krzbrg >
example: filling out variables in HAML templates and SASS partials from a database
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elux >
i was wondering if its possible to get the binding of the area that made a method call without using a block and doing block.binding .. ?
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elux >
like going back in the strack trace and getting that binding..
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swarley >
there is a gem for that
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swarley >
but it doesnt always work
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elux >
doesnt always work
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swarley >
Uhm, in MRI it depends on a thread that is hidden by default
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swarley >
so you would have to rebuild your interpreter
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elux >
yea.. thats not ideal..
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elux >
well, thx.. thought id ask anyways
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krzbrg >
thing = ['index.html.erb', 'style.css.erb.', 'script.js.erb']
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krzbrg >
why does thing.slice!(".erb") throw a "...can't convert String to Integer" error?
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steveklabnik >
because slice takes an integer
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steveklabnik >
did you mean thing.map{|t| t.slice!(".erb") } ?
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steveklabnik >
or maybe even thing = thing.collect{|t| t.slice} ?
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steveklabnik >
(".erb") :p
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krzbrg >
I was trying to remove the ".erb" from each item in the array
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steveklabnik >
right
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steveklabnik >
array.slice does not do that
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krzbrg >
I must have misunderstood "Deletes the specified portion from str, and returns the portion deleted." then
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krzbrg >
anyway, your code worked
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steveklabnik >
what you misunderstand
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steveklabnik >
is that string and array BOTH have a slice method
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steveklabnik >
that description is the one for String
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steveklabnik >
check out thing.slice!(".erb")
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steveklabnik >
run thing.class
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steveklabnik >
you'll see Array, not STring
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steveklabnik >
my code then calls each on the array, yielding each string, then calling slice! on that string
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krzbrg >
ah! that makes sense
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krzbrg >
the documentation makes a lot more sense now, too
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steveklabnik >
p :)
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krzbrg >
is anyone in New York?
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yorickpeterse >
Morning
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judofyr >
whitequark: retweets :)
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Wejq >
Hi, i am kinda new to ruby, but i have a question that i cant answer myself using google.
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Wejq >
in which circumstances i get something like this: #<StringIO:0x00000000edaf58> ?
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gnufied >
when you have a instance of StringIO object
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TTilus >
Wejq: you are most probably calling #display on an instance of StringIO
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Wejq >
i've got function that gets <title> from page that i specify
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Wejq >
i get that when i specify page which hasn't got <title> or it's like adress of picture
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Wejq >
then i get such thing
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TTilus >
Wejq: try #to_s
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judofyr >
TTilus: Wejq: I think it's better to use .read instead
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judofyr >
it might return other IO instances
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TTilus >
ah, sorry, #read of course
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judofyr >
TTilus: also, StringIO#to_s returns #inspect
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judofyr >
TTilus: StringIO#string returns the string
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gnufied >
I like this game.
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bosie >
why would i not be able to interrupt a ruby app on the console with ^c? it just goes on. ruby 1.9.3p194 (2012-04-20 revision 35410) [x86_64-darwin11.4.0]
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gnufied >
some good guy is handling interrupts in your code
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bosie >
it ain't me so i guess it has to be some plugin
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judofyr >
bosie: (1) someone could be overriding the TERM-interupt (2) it might be stuck in some magic C code
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bosie >
gnufied: json, set, nokogiri, date, benchmark are the only gems i use
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gnufied >
are you using nokogiri to fetch pages?
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gnufied >
it is still odd one.
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gnufied >
no, no, not for you. the question was for bosie
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judofyr >
Wejq: ah, yes. open-uri returns an IO object
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bosie >
gnufied: no, i parse strings i pass it to
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judofyr >
Wejq: URI.parse(page).open returns an IO object
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judofyr >
Wejq: URI.parse(page).open is the last call in the method, so whatever that returns is returned by the method
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judofyr >
Wejq: adding "return nil" at the bottom should make it return nil instead
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gnufied >
bosie: in a nutshell, see if you are using rescue Exception , because that will capture intrrupts as well
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gnufied >
bosie: people still rescue Exception class unfortunately, which is really bad, but some gems and user code still does that
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gnufied >
not saying, that is the case here. but that is another way interrupts can be "accidently" handled
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gnufied >
bosie: in anycase, will be interested to learn your findings
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judofyr >
Wejq: IO#each and IO#each_line are synonyms; I just like to use each_line to make it clear that it's per-line
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gnufied: shit, you are right, i use that
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rue|w >
$ touch ä && ruby -e 'Dir.foreach(".") {|f| p(f) if f =~ /ä/ }' # => No output
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rue|w >
#encoding doesn’t help, either. Anyone recall this?
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rue|w: KC vs KD normalization of unicode
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apeiros_ >
same unicode codepoint but different binary representation
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apeiros_ >
ugly that ruby considers them to be !=
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jaska >
osx does batshit insane normalization
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apeiros_ >
jaska: um, don't blame that on osx
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rue|w >
Aha—solutions?
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apeiros_ >
KC and KD are both correct ways to encode unicode
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apeiros_ >
rue|w: I'm not aware of normalization handling in plain ruby. the unicode gem has some methods.
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rue|w >
Looks like Rails too…
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apeiros_ >
yes, rails also does
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apeiros_ >
might be worth bringing that up in the oniguruma mailing list
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apeiros_ >
"ä" =~ /ä/ should IMO be true regardless of KC/KD normalization
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apeiros_ >
oh, btw., "13:07 apeiros_: same unicode codepoint but different binary representation" that was actually wrong. KD uses 2 codepoints, KC only 1.
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manveru >
anybody know how to get $RANDOM in dash? :P
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manveru >
that shell is gonna drive me insane one of these days
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apeiros_ >
use the xkcd approach
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apeiros_ >
(helpful, I know)
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manveru >
oh cool, they recommend using rand() in awk
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wnd >
one of the usual methods involves dd, /dev/random, md5sum and sed. considering that using awk would make sense.
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ddfreyne >
manveru: why do you use dash?
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manveru >
ddfreyne: forced to write some script that has to run on default debuntu installs
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manveru >
and it is executed with dash
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manveru >
looks like awk srand() is initialized with epoch
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manveru: how random does it need to be? sh -c 'echo $$' :D
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jMCg >
alias not-very-good-rand=":|awk 'END{srand() ; print rand() }'"
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manveru >
i can seed with /dev/random
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manveru >
good enough for now
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manveru >
eventually i'll just write a damn go binary to do this stuff
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manveru >
whoever is responsible for dash better not cross my path :|
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andrewvos >
I have taken the day off because I'm feeling sick. What should I do with my day internet?
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manveru >
r/AskReddit
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gnufied >
you mean, this isn't reddit?
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manveru >
too little aaaw
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gnufied >
andrewvos: contribute to ActiveSupport. add some more methods to Array class
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gnufied >
*on serious note*
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manveru >
implement base24 encoding in dash, there goes your day
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judofyr >
manveru: sounds … fun
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andrewvos >
gnufied: Array.seventeenth?
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gnufied >
thats a start
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judofyr >
andrewvos: implement something cool
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andrewvos >
It's my day off, writing code would be sad.
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tsou >
andrewvos: IRC'ing about what to do with it seems sadder :P
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andrewvos >
tsou: Hah yeah
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zzak >
andrewvos: try going outside
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zzak >
feeling sick? fresh air and exercise ftw
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lianj >
now thats just insane
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masterkorp >
andrewvos: dude, go slaw so mudding
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masterkorp >
my way to spend the weekend
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jaska >
lolsuspension
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xalei >
sorry about the spammy logging in and out and stuff =/
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xalei >
I'm good now though
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judofyr >
xalei: 16:05 xalei has left IRC (Quit: Leaving) :D
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xalei >
xD that was a whoopsie haha
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xalei >
I mean... yes! You are paying attention... you pass the test
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reactormonk >
xalei, I like the smartfilter of weechat :>
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judofyr >
I've just learnt to ignore join/lefts
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xalei >
well, I'm new here =) so hi
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judofyr >
hi xalei :)
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judofyr >
doing lots of Ruby?
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xalei >
no I'm new to it
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judofyr >
ah, know any other languages?
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xalei >
I'm going to try and build something to try and impress a guy to get a job =) so wish me luck haha
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xalei >
I've done a fair bit of Django and PHP
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xalei >
Java/c++ to a lesser extent
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xalei >
reactormonk, thanks btw, weechat looks good
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judofyr >
well, then I guess that most of Ruby won't come as a surprise
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xalei >
the thing that got me was installing it xD
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reactormonk >
xalei, apt-get install ruby ?
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judofyr >
xalei: heh, the first time is always tricky
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reactormonk >
xalei, maybe overkill
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injekt >
reactormonk: i hope people never do that
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judofyr >
Ubuntu/Debian Ruby is kinda … limited
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xalei >
yeah you're probably right, but I think getting my head around it will pay off in the end... I understand why it exists, and I do kinda like it
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judofyr >
crippled*
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injekt >
judofyr: got there before I could correct it :)
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injekt >
xalei: installing ruby through a package manager like aptitude is beyond broken
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injekt >
xalei: you've done it fine :)
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judofyr >
xalei: Debian's packages e.g. split out everything. so if you run "apt-get install ruby" you don't get irb or rubygems or openssl or whatever
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judofyr >
they also muck around with rubygems instead of just using the regular one
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injekt >
and probably some old ruby version
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judofyr >
injekt: well, although the version is called ruby1.9.1 it's actually 1.9.3 :)
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judofyr >
because 1.9.3 is compatible with 1.9.1
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xalei >
yeah I have irb and ri and such, type rvm | head -1 doesn't return that it's a function though =/
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injekt >
xalei: if you have rvm issues, try #rvm I prefer rbenv myself
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xalei >
dammit lol xD
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judofyr >
xalei: #rvm is pretty good
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xalei >
why do you prefer it?
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injekt >
I dont like rvm loading as a function, and I like simplicity, rbenv uses shims and you just add it to your PATH
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injekt >
just a personal preference, rvm is good too
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judofyr >
I also kinda think that rbenv is a cleaner implementation, but I still use rvm because it just works for me
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xalei >
cool, I'll keep it in mind for further down the track if there's any reason to change then I guess
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xalei >
so much to get my head around xD
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judofyr >
xalei: what platform btw?
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xalei >
I'm using xmonad for tiling management, and it feels pretty good... I miss it when I switch OS
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gnufied >
I use ^ on all our ubuntu servers, works like a champ
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xalei >
Ubuntu 12.04
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injekt >
xalei: yeah just use something that's going to get you up and running, rvm is fine.. the most important thing is to just start writing and running ruby code
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xalei >
gnufied, thanks
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xalei >
injekt, absolutely xD I'm about to start, I want to do it TDD-style as well
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gnufied >
better than gangnam style
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xalei >
roflysst xD
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judofyr >
xalei: I'd recommend MiniTest if you want a simple test framework.
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judofyr >
xalei: although RSpec has nice syntax, it can be kinda magic.
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judofyr >
you shouldn't need to fight against your testing framework when learning :)
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xalei >
wow thanks guys xD this is why I logged on here
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gnufied >
plus MiniTest author is always on #ruby-lang to beat you blue, if you stray
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injekt >
about stuff not regarding minitest, too
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injekt >
just.. just dont talk to him
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darix >
so we can punch xalei now?
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he can now be bullied, yes
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if anyone knows a good TDD guide let me know
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hachiya: any reason why JRuby 1.7 is failing a lot on RubySpec?
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judofyr >
headius:: any reason why JRuby 1.7 is failing a lot on RubySpec?
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judofyr >
hachiya: sorry! wrong name!
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judofyr: to summon headius you have to say jruby 3 times
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judofyr >
jrubbety jrub jruby
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judofyr: well, we do have a number of specs tagged, just like rubinius
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it always works
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reactormonk >
headius, looks like 5-10% to me
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headius >
that's probably fair
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headius >
we don't spin our wheels on test suites as much as we try to keep up with user reports
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rcassidy >
hi all! is it possible to read output from a process started with IO#popen before that process terminates&flushes?
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rcassidy: not before it flushes
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manveru: word. just figured it out -
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it takes an extra command flag to get tcpdump to flush each line >.<
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sent_hil >
When I set an instance var in a module, where exactly is it stored?
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apeiros >
in the module
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apeiros >
modules are objects too
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havenn >
sent_hil: In a struct on the module for cruby.
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sent_hil >
apeiros: so in the same class that class instance vars are stored?
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drbrain >
classes are subclasses of modules, (but modules have class variables)
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sent_hil >
*same place
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sent_hil >
drbrain: you can declare @@var in a module?
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drbrain >
sent_hil: yes
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drbrain >
sent_hil: instance variables are just part of all the non-immediate objects (Fixnum, true, false, nil)
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drbrain >
as are class variables
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sent_hil >
drbrain: i don't understand how class vars can be part of an object, aren't they part of the class, hence the name?
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drbrain >
sent_hil: class variables are part of the object through it's class
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drbrain >
(a module's class is class Module)
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sent_hil >
drbrain: right, i'm reading about the internals of ruby and am curious where exactly a module class var is stored
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sent_hil >
iv_tbl in rb_classext_struct stores the module level instance vars apparently
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doesn't say anything about class vars location
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if you're looking at the internals, RClass and RModule are the same struct
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and they're stored in iv_tbl alongside instance variables, but as rb_intern("@@cvar_name")
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see cvar_lookup_at()
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drbrain: awesome, thx
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sent_hil: in other places, items are stored in the iv_tbl as rb_intern("plain_name"), but none come immediately to mind
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drbrain: is there even a RModule struct?
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drbrain >
sent_hil: no
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epitron >
node.js as a service?
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epitron >
neat idea
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hahah... their cronjobs just request an URL on your script every n hours
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i can see this catching on for a large class of apps
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they should let people make plugins too, like on heroku, so users get advanced services as their app grows
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also: needs more coffeescript
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wait, this is lua! :O
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