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<zzak> is it normal my cat likes to play fetch?
<Spaceghostc2c> zzak: What are you playing with?
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<zzak> a little plastic spring toy
<zzak> he will play fetch all day and night
<zzak> it doesnt really matter what toy it is, usually tinfoil ball is good enough
<matti> LOL
<zzak> aww, i threw it when he wasnt looking now he is howling to get me to come find it for him
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<brownies> hello
<brownies> what is the idiomatic way to write a method that can take arguments of varying types?
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<brownies> for example, Rails has helpers like user_path that generate a path ... and i can pass in a user object *or* a user id, and it works magically
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<steveklabnik> brownies: two ways
<steveklabnik> you can use a case
<steveklabnik> or you can use duck typing
<steveklabnik> using case:
<steveklabnik> def foo(bar)
<steveklabnik> case bar
<steveklabnik> when String
<steveklabnik> etc
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<steveklabnik> duck typing: def foo(bar) bar.baz
<steveklabnik> and then define baz on all the things that work magically
<brownies> steveklabnik: ah, perfect, thanks. i'll use the case approach
<brownies> steveklabnik: uh, hm. the exmaple you wrote out... that's just pseudo-code, right? it won't work exactly like that, since the case statement would try to do "bar === String" and return false, right?
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<steveklabnik> ;)
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<steveklabnik> here is the key you're missing
<steveklabnik> 1.9.3-p194 :008 > "bar" === String => false
<steveklabnik> 1.9.3-p194 :009 > String === "bar" => true
<steveklabnik> brownies: also, if you look at the rails source, it's often that the definition of 'foo' will just have the case
<steveklabnik> and then call out to like foo_with_string(bar)
<steveklabnik> so that you can keep the dispatch logic outside of the logic of what you're actually doing
<steveklabnik> oh, another way is coercion
<steveklabnik> so like def foo(bar); bar = bar.to_s; ...
<steveklabnik> that works a lot of times too.
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<brownies> steveklabnik: oh, interesting. very interesting. thanks.
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<brownies> steveklabnik: i am highly perturbed that "===" is not reflexive though =/
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<brownies> i think i'll just use coercion ... user = User.find(user) if user_is_integer
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<steveklabnik> only you know your code base. :)
<steveklabnik> i mean, === is a method just like any other
<brownies> right, but the equals signs do have some mathy implications =P
<Spaceghostc2c> That just makes me want to use === to have the caller transfer it's attributes to the receiver. So the === is a 'pipe'.
<Spaceghostc2c> Just to screw with you.
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<TTilus> brownies: that exactly is one of the design decisions that irritate me in ruby
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<TTilus> brownies: prolly because im "mathy" :)
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<brownies> TTilus: ha. yeah, same.
<swarley> are there any libraries that parse this configuration format? http://www.centos.org/docs/2/rhl-rg-en-7.2/s1-bind-configuration.html
<swarley> its called "BIND"
<Spaceghostc2c> TTilus: A lot of us lovingly call your sort mathspies.
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<vectorshelve> Please help me with this doubt https://gist.github.com/3806179
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<rue> Very doubt
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<whitequark> erikh: talking about ruby_parser and melbourne
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<erikh> wat
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<whitequark> erikh: oops, I was distracted
<whitequark> well, the problem with ruby_parser is that it couldn't distinguish between NODE_FCALL and NODE_VCALL
<whitequark> i.e. "a()" and "a"
<whitequark> which basically means that you can't have a working irb, because NODE_VCALL is required for "a = 1; eval("a", binding)" to work.
<whitequark> OTOH, I discovered that Melbourne has a ruby_parser compatibility layer
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<chambwez> \q
<chambwez> Morning, anyone around to help out with a newbie mintiest problem I'm having?
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<ddfreyne> chambwez: just ask
<ddfreyne> I may not be able to answer though but maybe others will
<chambwez> Will do thanks.
<chambwez> I'm running a really basic test but I'm getting 0 tests or assertions picked up. Also no errors. I'll pastie the test
<chambwez> http://pastie.org/4878289 I was having problems getting tests to run for a class I'm building so have gone right the way back to a simply noddy test to rule out anything wrong with my class. I don't get any errors from running this.
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<chambwez> The puts in the setup is just there to confirm that setup isn't running.
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<fowkes> Hey everyone. I'm having a bit of an issue with installation and databases on my server. If anyone could help, it would be much appreciated. Thanks. :) http://pastebin.com/dct6SVec
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<steveklabnik> you may want to ask in #rubyonrails
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<Spaceghostc2c> steveklabnik: Is #RubyOnRails too ghetto for you, bruv?
<steveklabnik> it has too much traffic
<steveklabnik> i cannot effectively pay attention to it
<steveklabnik> it's why i'm not subbed to ruby-talk any more either
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<Spaceghostc2c> steveklabnik: I'm down with that. When I choose to lend my time to things like this and the mailing list, I really like IRC as it's more interactive and closer to my style of communication.
<steveklabnik> :)
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<Spaceghostc2c> steveklabnik: That issue I had got fixed. But I couldn't find somewhere to update documentation and form a pull request to change the description of the --edge and --dev switches.
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<andrewvos> Wow, reflection in java is nowehere near as good as .NET.
<andrewvos> (DISCLAIMER: As far as I know)
<andrewvos> Also, the people in #java don't take any shit.
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<Spaceghostc2c> andrewvos: Bug cool ruby people who do java. They're friendlier.
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<Spaceghostc2c> And on the average, they have cooler accents.
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<Erlkoenig> hi, how to document a ruby program including docs of the API (like rdoc does) and also pages of longer text (explaining general concepts) which might include pictures and some markup in a way that integrates them both nicely?
<ryanf> i think rdoc and yard let you add extra files of markdown or whatever
<ryanf> in the same way they process the readme
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<ryanf> look at like unicorn or something
<steveklabnik> yep
<steveklabnik> iirc, rdoc can't do markdown yet, but yard can
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<andrewvos> Spaceghostc2c: Don't know any people who are good with Java.
<ryanf> rdoc
<ryanf> i think
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<Spaceghostc2c> andrewvos: A good group to ask are the jruby team or the torquebox team.
<matti> ;]
<andrewvos> Thanks Spaceghostc2c
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<cirenyc> Trying to use Array#find with a hash such that each key/value in the hash is passed as a boolean test in the find block. i.e., find { key1 == value1 && key2 == value2 && ..}
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<cirenyc> I'm not sure how to turn the hash into the series of booleans.
<Erlkoenig> hm i think i'll use yard, thanks guys :)
<ryanf> cirenyc: where do the values in the array come into it?
<ryanf> sounds like something you could do with inject/reduce but i don't really get what you're trying to do
<cirenyc> ryanf: I am basically trying to reduce an array of elements to those that match all of the conditions passed into a method as a hash
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<ryanf> oh, you want select/find_all, first of all, not find
<cirenyc> ryanf: yes
<ryanf> and then you could use Enumerable#all? on the hash
<ryanf> so for each k/v in the hash, given one value from the array, return true or false
<cirenyc> not following exactly, but let me read up on those methods
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<Erlkoenig> btw. is "a script file (whose name is...)" correct english? :D
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<arooni-mobile> in ruby 1.9.3 whats the best method to extract out one given bit of string? ... "string".match(/()/) ?
<Erlkoenig> given by what? indices?
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<Mon_Ouie> If you just want the part of the string matched by a regexp, use String#[] (which also happens to be the method you'd use given two indices or an index and a length)
<arooni-mobile> i want to extract out the bit of string that matches within my regex
<Mon_Ouie> "foo 19 bar"[/\d+/] # => "19"
<arooni-mobile> cool
<matti> Hi Mon_Ouie
<Mon_Ouie> 'alut
<bougyman> you could go exotic
<bougyman> "string".match(/(?<foo>ing)/)[:foo]
<bougyman> => "ing"
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<matti> Mon_Ouie: How would you go about finding random FizzBuzz in a given range.
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<matti> Mon_Ouie: For instance: 1 to 100, find random FizzBuzz.
<matti> Mon_Ouie: Same for Fizz and Buzz.
<Mon_Ouie> random FizzBuzz?
<matti> Yes!
<Mon_Ouie> Random multiple of 15?
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<Mon_Ouie> There are (99/15) multiple of 15 within 1..100 (you'd have to adjust depending on start % 15 for a more generic range), so take a random number from 0 to that, and multiply it by 15
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<arooni-mobile> im trying to match stuff like: my+string+has+plusses
<arooni-mobile> but if i do ([\w\+])* doesnt seem to work
<arooni-mobile> how can i match the pluses... i thought simply doing a \+ should escape it
<lianj> arooni-mobile: no need to escape inside []
<lianj> /[\w+]+/
<arooni-mobile> cool thanks
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<arooni-mobile> + == 1 or more .. where as * is 0 or 1 or more
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<TylerGillies> monkey patching time yields some interesting method names: "this took #{ Time.me{ sleep 2}} seconds to execute" #=> "this took 2.000288 seconds to execute"
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<arooni-mobile> if i declare @vars within intialize withina class
<arooni-mobile> why cant i access them later like @instance.instance_varname
<Erlkoenig> because they are to be accesed via @var
<Erlkoenig> if you want to access it via instance.varname you have to write "attr_reader :var" in the class' body
<steveklabnik> ^^^
<arooni-mobile> ahh
<arooni-mobile> now it makes sense
<steveklabnik> they're hidden
<steveklabnik> always
<steveklabnik> attr_reader :var generates 'def var; @var; end;'
<arooni-mobile> so without attr_accessor or reader
<arooni-mobile> i wont be able to access the @instance_var
<arooni-mobile> even within the class?
<steveklabnik> within the class @var works
<Erlkoenig> from within you can use @„ar
<Erlkoenig> @var
<arooni-mobile> ah ok
<Erlkoenig> variables should be writable from the outside only if strictly neccessary...
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<andrewvos> Gahhh Java
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<arooni-mobile> to parse html into something more workable; is nokogiri generally the best solution?
<arooni-mobile> id like to extract out some profile data form a social networking esque type site
<seanstickle> arooni-mobile: If it's reasonably well structured HTML then yes.
<arooni-mobile> seanstickle, if it turns out not be?
<arooni-mobile> not to be? is there a better solution
<seanstickle> arooni-mobile: then you poke yourself in the face with a pencil
<mars777> hello
<arooni-mobile> haha ok
<mars777> I need some help in Ruby, I guess I need someone who is knowledgeable more than I, and can assist in solving a tricky ruby question.
<mars777> If you are will please write to me.
<manveru> mars777: just ask and someone may answer :)
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<manveru> if you don't ask, nobody will know whether they may be able to help
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<Erlkoenig> can i tell YARD to not use the alphabetical index as the index.html page, but my "general.md" file which is also included into the doc, but normally "hidden" in the menu?
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<Erlkoenig> so that i can upload the doc tree to my webserver, and visitors will see the "general.md" file as the front page rather than the index
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<richardjortega> how would you parse a date like "8/8/12"
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<richardjortega> not sure what the date template would be
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<whitequark> richardjortega: no way
<whitequark> require your users to enter iso-8601, or at least avoid crazy i.e. US dates.
<richardjortega> haha
<richardjortega> yes, US is very difficult with inputted fields
<whitequark> also, SI units
* whitequark hides
<Erlkoenig> there is a SI unit for dates? :D
<whitequark> Erlkoenig: nope
<whitequark> well
<Erlkoenig> it would have months with 10 days and years with 1000 days or what :D
<whitequark> I guess that unix timestamp qualifies as a SI date
<whitequark> it's in seconds after all
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<whitequark> "let's meet 86400 seconds later!"
<Erlkoenig> aren't SI units also meant for easy usage? :D
* whitequark measures milk in cubic meters
<Erlkoenig> hello, i'd like one thousandst of a cubic meter of milk
<whitequark> yeah, like that
<richardjortega> too funny
<whitequark> or: "yesterday I drank about 2e-7 m^3 of milk at 4°C. it was great!"
* richardjortega i'll take a quart of milk
<whitequark> you could also add error margins, 'cause you don't know the precise temperature inside your refrigerator, and in fact there isn't a single one
<Erlkoenig> whitequark: you meant 277 K?
<whitequark> but you obviously know its statistical properties
<whitequark> Erlkoenig: oh sure
<richardjortega> good 'ole US units
<whitequark> 277±2.5K
<whitequark> was there a plug-in for rendering TeX in IRC? I will probably need it
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<whitequark> through... 2×10¯⁷
<whitequark> unicode works fine too
<richardjortega> ok so i go it working thanks to a suggestion in RoR room
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<whitequark> richardjortega: oh, did they package libastral as a gem?
<richardjortega> Date.strptime("8/8/12", '%m/%d/%y')
<richardjortega> instead of %Y
<whitequark> in the sense that your date format is ambiguous unless you explicitly know that it's US
<richardjortega> i had no idea there was a difference
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<richardjortega> whitequark: thanks again for your help
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