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<naquad> where can i find detailed diagramm on rubys object mode? the one with inheritance down to module and singleton objects
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<naquad> it seems i'm not getting something. from what i see if i have two classes A and B < A and i define singleton method in A it should be accessible from Bs singleton class, right?
<chris2> no?
<naquad> according to this diagramm it is so
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<naquad> or i'm reading it wrong :\
<chris2> wait
<chris2> according to irb it is, too :)
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<naquad> chris2, nope: http://pastebin.com/BkmwJvAX
<chris2> yes
<chris2> thats a class method of the meta class you are calling
<chris2> class B < A; should_work; end
<naquad> chris2, i know it'll work this way, but if metaclasses inherit each other than it should work
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<naquad> oh, wait, method of level 1 metaclass should be defined in parent level 2 metaclass. or am i getting this wrong?
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<chris2> i think inside the <<self you are in class context
<chris2> of the metaclass
<chris2> but .foo is an instance method
<naquad> it indeed does work
<chris2> yep
<chris2> up to infinity :)
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<naquad> http://www.atalon.cz/rb-om/ruby-object-model/ - comprehensive reading on the subject with some totally insane infographics
<chris2> oh yeah
<chris2> just use irb and the source code :)
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<naquad> thats a "trial and error" way but i would like to understand why so. it seems i've finally put a puzzle together
<naquad> chris2, thanks for help
<chris2> yw
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<wubino> Anyone know of a ruby framework with a gui built in?
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<Erlkoenig> "module A ... def foobar puts "test" end end" ... when i never 'include' my module 'A', the method 'foobar' can't ever be called, right?
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<rking> Erlkoenig: You want "extend", I think.
<Erlkoenig> well i just wanted to know what happens to methods that are defined by "def foobar", and NOT "def A.foobar" - so they're not accessible via "A.foobar" and can only be used when the module is included... right?
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<rking> Erlkoenig: Can you make a 1-shot gist of what you're trying for here? I think I'm getting lost.
<Erlkoenig> i just want to understand how it works :D
<Erlkoenig> i just want to know what the "def foobar" -method-style is good for
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<rking> Erlkoenig: Well, that's an instance method. The "def A.foobar" (or, less redundantly, "def self.foobar") is a class method.
<rking> Want me to elaborate more on that or are you asking a different question?
<Erlkoenig> but module's usually don't have instances?
<Erlkoenig> they are something like singletons, so there's not really a difference between "instance method" and "class method"
<rking> Erlkoenig: Things that mixin modules can make use of those.
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<Erlkoenig> okay, that's exactly what i wanted to know ;-)
<Erlkoenig> they're only for mixins
<rking> Cool. =)
<Erlkoenig> http://pastebin.com/s0NeWJvR but why doesn't this work? can't mixins define class methods for the inheriting object?
<havenn> Erlkoenig: Get rid of the 'self.' from your #blub method, and it works.
<Erlkoenig> well then "blub" will be an instance method, and therefore not accessible for "B.blubb"
<havenn> Erlkoenig: I'd recommend Patrick Farley's "Ruby Internals" presentation: http://confreaks.com/videos/825-mwrc2008-ruby-internals
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<Erlkoenig> but it's a video :o
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<whatasunnyday> Hi Everyone! I was wondering what's a good way to compare the execution time between two functions I have in ruby.
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<TTilus> whatasunnyday: look for benchmarking
<whatasunnyday> cool TTilus
<whatasunnyday> thanks
<TTilus> stdlib has some basic tools
<TTilus> and then there are a few profilers for more complex stuff
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<whatasunnyday> yeah benchmarking turned out to be perfect
<whatasunnyday> didn't need anything too complex
<whatasunnyday> i appreciate that
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<steveklabnik> kitallis: :/
<kitallis> steveklabnik: if that's because I sent you a ton of messages
<kitallis> then, sorry
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<postmodern> how do others deal with object finalization?
<postmodern> im working on some FFI bindings that deal with opaque structs, which i have to call a *_free function when finalized
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<Mon_Ouie> postmodern: I use ObjectSpace.add_finalizer for that
<postmodern> Mon_Ouie, does the callback receive the actual object or just the id?
<Mon_Ouie> Just the id. I make the closure that I pass have a reference to the FFI pointer (not the actual object, which wraps around that pointer)
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<postmodern> Mon_Ouie, ah gotcha
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<matti> Mon_Ouie: ;-)
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<Mon_Ouie> 'alut matti ;)
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