<markphd>
r0bgleeson: sorry not familiar with it, is it possible to choose which line to remove using [1..-1] ? Lets say the file has 10 lines, how is it possible to use slice to remove line 3?
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<ledestin>
zzak: I've only got problems with ruby gems docs
<ledestin>
zzak: If I generate docs myself, it's ok
<ledestin>
zzak: if that's fine, I can just point to my gem
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<ledestin>
zzak: I'll just file a bug with rubygems
<r0bgleeson>
markphd: it's not that easy to remove just line 3 with a slice. it works best when you want to remove from the left and right side but not within the middle.
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<r0bgleeson>
markphd: so delete_at() is probably fine then.
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<zzak>
ledestin: thanks! we can fix it in anycase but the issue tracker is a much better place to report it than irc
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<maloik_>
Anyone know if define_method was changed in ruby 2.1 to take into account if it's done under private or not ?
<maloik_>
we just had our tests fail on 2.1 because the block in which we define a bunch of methods was under private, while everything worked in 2.0
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<charliesome>
maloik_: define_method now takes into account the current scope's visibility
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<ljarvis>
fuck i wish people would stop god damn yanking gems
<ljarvis>
also g'morning
<charliesome>
ljarvis: they should really ban yanking after 24 hours
<charliesome>
also vendor your gems ;)
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<ljarvis>
heh
<ljarvis>
vendoring really only solves this problem (or problems fetching remote libraries, which is a whole new problem anyway)
<maloik_>
charliesome: that's what I thought :-)
<maloik_>
funny that it never occurred to us that that block was in the wrong place, they weren't really supposed to be private anyways
<charliesome>
ljarvis: i'm a big fan of the "vendor literally everything" approach
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<charliesome>
maloik_: yeah I think this change makes a lot of sense
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<maloik_>
it does
<ljarvis>
charliesome: but mbs over the wire are oh so precious
<charliesome>
vendor ruby
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<ljarvis>
this is all because i updated rubys patchlevel and instead of symlinking the old interpreter i just deleted it, then removed all the gems that pointed at it
<ljarvis>
i am a silly
<charliesome>
haha
<ljarvis>
now im all "s'okay, i can just bundle"
<ljarvis>
and bundler is all "Could not find compass-rails-2.0.alpha.0 in any of the sources"
<ljarvis>
and im all "lolk back to bed"
<ljarvis>
that concludes my morning
<yorickpeterse>
morning
<yorickpeterse>
nice start of the work week: <bosswoman> oh yorick, did you lose weight? <me> not that I know of <cto> Nah bosswoman, you just gained weight
<yorickpeterse>
re: yanking, that should not even be possible in the first place
<yorickpeterse>
also lol for using an alpha version
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<judofyr>
hey folks
<judofyr>
'appy new 'ear
<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: rails 4
<ljarvis>
but yeah looks like they decided against going 2.0 and they have support in a 1.1.x version anyway
<judofyr>
charliesome: maloik_: I think send(:define_method) will always create a public method. or, was that included in p0?
<charliesome>
judofyr: yeah i believe using send works
<judofyr>
how can I check if r44380 is included in 2.1.0-p0?
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<maloik_>
judofyr: while it was supposed to be public, it was just in the wrong place in the file (under private)... so we just moved it for it to work in 2.1
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<ljarvis>
god damn 'start' is such a horrible word to tye
<ljarvis>
type, rather
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<judofyr>
tye is pretty difficult as well
<ljarvis>
:D
<judofyr>
apparently
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<ljarvis>
:(
<judofyr>
so, how's 2014 so far?
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<yorickpeterse>
I have this nice bug where if I run a Jenkins build somehow the production server breaks on a bug that was solved two decades ago
<yorickpeterse>
said build doesn't even touch the production server
<yorickpeterse>
wat
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<yorickpeterse>
So with MD5 and SHA1 being pretty much broken, is there a non broken hash algorithm where the resulting hash length is <= 64 bytes?
<yorickpeterse>
SHA512 would be an option but its use would require about 2.5GB of extra storage
<yorickpeterse>
(Mongo)
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<yorickpeterse>
Our current stuff is MD5 which takes around 1.9GB in total
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<yorickpeterse>
I should totally write my own hash algo here
<yorickpeterse>
SHAYorick
<judofyr>
Yorick5
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<yorickpeterse>
class Digest::SHAYorick; def self.hexdigest(value); rot13(value); end; end
<yorickpeterse>
SOLID
<yorickpeterse>
LETS PUT THAT ON HACKERNEWS
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<maloik_>
to be really safe you should probably reverse the string too
<maloik_>
(look ma, I can crypto!)
<judofyr>
rot31(value)
<yorickpeterse>
I should probably append a timestamp to it
<yorickpeterse>
that way it's truly unique
<yorickpeterse>
Hm, SHA1's collisions are only theoratical
<ohsix>
eh not so much
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<ohsix>
but
<ohsix>
On 8 November 2010, he claimed he had a fully working near-collision attack against full SHA-1 working with an estimated complexity equivalent to 257.5 SHA-1 compressions. He estimates this attack can be extended to a full collision with a complexity around 261
<ohsix>
is state of the art
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<ohsix>
i thoguht there was something that knocked way more complexity off but i must have been thinking of something else, people generally use sha256 over sha1 tho
<yorickpeterse>
hm, that would require 2.25GB
<yorickpeterse>
opposed to 1.41 for SHA1
<yorickpeterse>
(this is just for checksums essentially, not h4x0r passwords)
<ohsix>
ohh
<ohsix>
it was sha1, and it's about generating collisions
<yorickpeterse>
This would be trivial if Mongo actually knew how to store values
<yorickpeterse>
alas it does not
<yorickpeterse>
Hm wait, these values should always be unique anyway
<yorickpeterse>
So MySQL/Pg would be affected too
<yorickpeterse>
unless they apply some kind of compression to values, not sure
<r0bgleeson>
could be related. really dont know, sorry
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<r0bgleeson>
the line in the diff is: + system(*config.redis_command, ..)
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<yorickpeterse>
oh what the fuck, I can't update RVM on this one EC2 instance because for whatever reason Github is being a bitch with SSL
<yorickpeterse>
oh, huh, now it works?
<WJW>
Why is there #ruby-lang and #ruby?
<maloik_>
have you tried turning it off and on again ?
<yorickpeterse>
well guess that system update did work
<yorickpeterse>
maloik_: plenty of times actually
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<rriemann>
r0bgleeson: thx. Sometimes I realize that I don't have a single idea about secure programming…
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<yorickpeterse>
WJW: they're run by different groups
<yorickpeterse>
#ruby-lang is the official one
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<r0bgleeson>
rriemann: well, neither do i. it's a discipline by itself. most of the time i try to guide myself with a little bit of paranoia and common sense.
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<TTilus>
WJW: ive been told couple of times that they are gonne be merged, but it apparently has not happened yet, dunno if theres anybody doing anything to make that happen
<maloik_>
WJW: we had a ton of ruby/rails stuff but also plenty of inspirational/frontend talks
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<maloik_>
all geared towards ruby folks though
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<maloik_>
that, and belgian beer, fries, rum and a ton of time to chat with new and old friends :)
<robmiller>
what was avdi grimm's talk like?
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<robmiller>
it sounded good
<maloik_>
you mean what I thought of it ?
<robmiller>
yeah
<WJW>
Where was ArrrCamp held?
<maloik_>
Ghent, Belgium
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<maloik_>
robmiller: I thought it was great... saw it in full at baruco, only caught the end at arrrrcamp though as I was running around
<WJW>
A little far for me. But thanks for publishing on ConFreaks.
<robmiller>
it's really close to london but i found out about it too late to go :(
<maloik_>
he told me the day before he was worried about having to spin it another way, as he usually gave it as an ending keynote kind of talk... "now go and build stuff" you know
<WJW>
ConFreaks plays great on my computer.
<robmiller>
ruby, frites, beer. the best things in the world
<maloik_>
cant remember how he explained the way he spun it, but it was a great opener
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<WJW>
The point of eye patches is your eye doesn't get blinded by sunlight for when you go back below decks where it is dim.
<maloik_>
really? cool
<maloik_>
reminds me of a movie I saw a while back, the one with tom cruise? there was this old sniper guy who kept his one eye shut as he was looking towards the light so he could use the other in the dark
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<maloik_>
jack reacher, right
<avdi>
A long time ago I learned to do that while driving
<avdi>
I always shut one eye when another car is approaching at night
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<maloik_>
Doesn't it bother you to lose depth perception ?
* robmiller
loses depth perception, crashes into a tree
* yorickpeterse
just wears an eye patch
<yorickpeterse>
and a mullet so I look like solid snake
<yorickpeterse>
I also don't have a drivers license
<maloik_>
maybe closing both eyes works not to lose depth perception
<avdi>
depth perception isn't really an issue for short periods - try it, close one eye and walk to the other end of the room.
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<WJW>
Submariners wore red goggles when getting ready to surface, if they were going to go on the bridge or look through the periscope.
<robmiller>
have you ever read "the man who mistook his wife for a hat", the oliver sacks book?
<robmiller>
it's amazing the way your brain will compensate for the lack of actual sensory information
<WJW>
Also, they used red interior lighting in the control rooms.
<avdi>
when I was into astronomy all the flashlights we used had red filters
<robmiller>
ara's libraries always have impossible-to-google names
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<avdi>
I wrote one once, but it's probably not worth looking up
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<apeiros>
avdi: avdi grimm?
<avdi>
apeiros: you rang?
<apeiros>
was just curious whether you're that avdi :)
<avdi>
no, I'm just *a* avdi. We come in six-packs, you know
<apeiros>
oh, too sad
<avdi>
;-)
<robmiller>
imagine having a four-character (essentially) globally unique first name. your parents anticipated the internet well
<apeiros>
well, there's a couple of limiting factors
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* robmiller
kicks his commonest of common names
<apeiros>
my first and last name combined only occurs twice in my country :)
<avdi>
we try to carry on the tradition with our kids :-)
<robmiller>
it used to just be me and some MIT professor. then some chump ran for congress in 2004, but he seems to have disappeared now. but then a famous rugby player emerged and all hope of being able to google myself was lost
<apeiros>
if I had chosen a tv show, it'd have been zamunda
<yorickpeterse>
I don't watch TV
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<csaunders>
missing out
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<yorickpeterse>
on what, ads and propaganda? Have plenty of those on the web already
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<apeiros>
agreed. I only occasionally watch tv via stream now, having removed the antenna cable from my tv.
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<yorickpeterse>
what are you, a pirate?
<yorickpeterse>
that's some illegal activity right there
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<apeiros>
no. we have some quite legal websites here which offer tv via stream.
<apeiros>
also, may sound funny, but downloading copies of movies is legal here too.
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<Hanmac>
only the politicans are crazy ... wanting money for disks, harddrives, printer and paper because you COULD copy books and other stuff ... and then forbit to copy your own dvds with copyright mechanism
<Hanmac>
its like buying icecream and then the fat child took your ice away and forbit to eat it ( and then eat it himself direct before your eyes)
<yorickpeterse>
apeiros: so it is over here
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<apeiros>
good to hear that there are more sane countries
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<Hanmac>
apeiros: you mean like Narnia?
<yorickpeterse>
apeiros: hahaha, .nl is anything but sane
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<yorickpeterse>
Our government is run by a bunch of idiots and the Dutch gestapo
<yorickpeterse>
and then there's our own version of the NSA spying on pretty much everybody
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<csaunders>
Hanmac, the fees on writable media are pretty small, practically negligible
<csaunders>
at least in Canada I believe it only applies to CDs and DVDs, and the payouts to the artists have been pretty small if I can recall
<Hanmac>
csaunders: yes it is (on copy printers they are higher) ... its still an shitty that you need to pay because you COULD copy and then its not allowed to do that
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<r0bgleeson>
yorickpeterse: it can be a lot worse, trust me :P
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<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: travel card?
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<whitequark>
by any chance, is it based on Mifare? there's been a weak cypher in some model of those, which resulted in people being able to "refill" cards for Moscow and IIRC NYC underground
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: card for public transportation
<yorickpeterse>
oh yeah, it's a similar thing, not sure what brand/tech
<yorickpeterse>
but you used to be able to basically write your currency to the cards as they are stored directly on it
<yorickpeterse>
a whole guide on this was in the newspaper about a year or two ago
<yorickpeterse>
* newspapers
<whitequark>
so yet another system implemented by incompetent morons
<r0bgleeson>
or not..
<whitequark>
I wonder how much there are around the world. Hundreds? thousands?
<r0bgleeson>
what a great way for those with little money to travel
<yorickpeterse>
Hm, apparently based on the Octopus card of Hong kong
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<yorickpeterse>
I think that's honestly the biggest tech fuckup of the past decade
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<yorickpeterse>
Great idea, absolutely fucked up implementation
<yorickpeterse>
maybe except for that part where our government thought it was cool to buy 70-something JSFs when the country was going through financial problems
<yorickpeterse>
at a total cost of 70 billion EUR or w/e it was
<yorickpeterse>
grrr
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<r0bgleeson>
yorickpeterse: better than buying banks debt until you've bankrupted the entire country!
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<r0bgleeson>
at least the government owns them now, they'll be even worse off im sure, i doubt some of those guys could manage to boil a kettle nevermind run a country
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<yorickpeterse>
hey jokes on you, we all basically pitched in to pull Iceland out of its arse
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<r0bgleeson>
of course the joke is on ireland :)
<r0bgleeson>
country was destroyed by buying the banks debt
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<yorickpeterse>
and if I remember correctly those fuckers (= the banks) basically said "LOL THANKS WE'RE NOT PAYING BACK LATER ALIGATOR"
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<r0bgleeson>
well, the irish banks did owe money, however they were private banks
<yorickpeterse>
But do not fear! Some random politician a week or two ago said "The Dutch economy will be much better in 2014!"
<r0bgleeson>
it wasn't up to the government to buy their debt
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<yorickpeterse>
I wouldn't mind buying banks out to keep stuff stable, but its this darn government that's just blowing its money like crazy
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<yorickpeterse>
I guess the one good thing this year is that fingerprints are no longer taken for IDs/passports
<yorickpeterse>
I suppose that if a country complains really badly it might *actually* for once change something
<r0bgleeson>
my girlfriend had to do that while getting her visa
<r0bgleeson>
so not totally ;)
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<yorickpeterse>
It's no longer required since March/june something 2014
<yorickpeterse>
lemme look it up
<r0bgleeson>
ahhh
<yorickpeterse>
they used to take them but "not" store them (ha yeah right)
<r0bgleeson>
hah thats make no sense
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<|jemc|>
I think that process is something like taking the 'hash' of your fingerprint
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<yorickpeterse>
gah where the fuck is this article
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<|jemc|>
although I'm not sure how that would actually _work_ though
<yorickpeterse>
|jemc|: no, they store the full thing
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<yorickpeterse>
In your IDs, passports and they used to store it in some central terrible DB
<|jemc|>
referring to the 'take them but "not" store them'
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<|jemc|>
but again, not sure how that would actually work. couldn't be an actual hash of the print data because that analog reading of the same print would vary, causing the hash to be unstable as well
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<whitequark>
eh, what you take is not an image of a fingerprint but rather fitted parameters for a model
<yorickpeterse>
r0bgleeson: per January 2014
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<whitequark>
then you compare those parameters and if they're close enough, it's a "match"
<r0bgleeson>
yorickpeterse: few months too late then. the person doing it said something borderline racist but i wont repeat it
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: they engrave the entire fucking thing in your passport
<yorickpeterse>
that's a pretty accurate picture to me
<yorickpeterse>
r0bgleeson: I had no choice in 2012 sadly
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: sure, but I'm explaining how automated fingerprint readers work
<whitequark>
they don't use the whole imgae
<|jemc|>
I think he
<whitequark>
just a few points
<yorickpeterse>
either it was "give fingerprint, go to Japan" or "get fucked"
<|jemc|>
*wrong window
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<yorickpeterse>
fingerprints are stored nowadays until your passport/ID is processed, then they are "removed"
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<yorickpeterse>
which as we all know means "UPDATE fingerprints SET hidden = true WHERE ID = X"
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<yorickpeterse>
then again these systems tend to be so crap that the hidden "remove all data" feature kicks in once in a while
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<r0bgleeson>
just seems to be the general direction the world is going in atm
<|jemc|>
yeah, my fingerprints were taken at one point by a private company - so my only hope is that due to technical ineptness, their database was lost before they got the bright idea to sell it to some other company
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<|jemc|>
/government
<yorickpeterse>
I guess since I passed through Tokyo/Seoul airport I'm now in every international persons database
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<zenspider>
happy new year folks... what'd I miss?
<yorickpeterse>
zenspider: people hating on governments
<ericwood>
ron paul 2014
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<zenspider>
oh good. that's appropriate
<ericwood>
bitcoin 4 president
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<yorickpeterse>
When bitcoin becomes stable that mi...oh wait
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<WJW>
US def has my prints.
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<apeiros>
they have everybodys prints who entered the US once in the last couple of years
<apeiros>
anybody who believes those prints would be deleted is IMO rather naive
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<WJW>
Well, I live in US and hold citizenship. Early in my post-college career, I was assigned by the company I worked for to go to CIA and help them with Unix. So I gave my prints so I could get through their gate.