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<darix>
bnagy: does your openssl support it?
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<darix>
bnagy: openssl s_server would be a good test
<bnagy>
darix: it works with openssl tools
<darix>
ok
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<bnagy>
(I mentioned that in the gist, but yes, I understand it's long ;)
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<darix>
bnagy: might be ruby doesnt fill all hooks then to make it work.
<darix>
totally hate the responsibility inversion in that API. hopefully the ReSSL will be more sane.
<darix>
ReSSL API
<bnagy>
well one thing I noticed is that you can't set a cert.public_key to an ECDSA key, because EC::PKEY#public_key returns a point not a PKey
<bnagy>
so I really think the whole thing just doesn't support ECDSA properly yet :/
<bnagy>
but I would be happy to be wrong, even if it involves lots of messing around
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<bnagy>
it does seem to parse out the certs generated elsewhere correctly
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<yorickpeterse>
morning
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<tbuehlmann>
moin
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<ruby-lang524>
hi guys
<ruby-lang524>
i am new to ruby and i need some direction
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<vvikus>
i'd reccomend to go to learnxinyminutes.com
<vvikus>
and read the ruby example
<vvikus>
and look at Go
<vvikus>
it's a better programming language
<yorickpeterse>
"look at Go"
<yorickpeterse>
How about you fuck off?
<yorickpeterse>
ruby-lang524: what problems are you running into that you need help with?
<vvikus>
u mad
<yorickpeterse>
vvikus: not really, this just isn't a place for trolls being dumb towards newbies
<vvikus>
no really, learnxinyminutes.com is actually a good site. If you know a bit of programming learning Ruby by example is a great way
<ruby-lang524>
thanks guys. i am trying to code a script or rails that would check for username availability on social media networks. this is a sample of what i am trying to do http://tools.weburlopener.com/username-availability-check/
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<ruby-lang524>
when a user enter their usernames, it checks up to 300 sites if the links is free for registration or is taken
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<vvikus>
i'd reccomend checking stackoverflow
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<vvikus>
IRC peeps wouldn't be that helpful is situations like these
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<[spoiler]>
vvikus, you meaniepants
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<[spoiler]>
ruby-lang524, you'd have to pretty much implement a different interface for every social network. and "study" the documentation to see if there's an API, which would probably mean less overhead, also some of those might return meaningful http status codes depending on whether a username exists or not (for example https://twitter.com/vvikus_sucks surprisingly returns 404)
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<yorickpeterse>
vvikus: how about you stop being an ass in here?
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<apeiros>
yorickpeterse: he stopped being an ass.
<yorickpeterse>
ty officer
<apeiros>
yw, citizen :)
<surrounder>
hehe
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<havenwood>
t4nk706: if you want to select between multiple rubies
<havenwood>
don't use it for gems
<havenwood>
t4nk706: gem search brick-pi; gem list brick-pi #etc
<havenwood>
t4nk706: what do you get for?: command -v ruby
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<t4nk706>
dpkg -s ruby1.9.1-dev: is not installed
<t4nk706>
Wut?
<havenwood>
aha, so there
<t4nk706>
Strange, since I ran sudo apt-get install ruby-dev
<havenwood>
sudo apt-get install -y ruby1.9.1-dev
<havenwood>
t4nk706: that's not what i said to run! :P
<t4nk706>
-y? What does that do?
<havenwood>
answers yes
<havenwood>
skip that
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<havenwood>
if you like
<existensil>
ruby-dev should actually work. something must have gone wrong. that command must not have completed successfully.
<havenwood>
existensil: that'd be 1.8, no?
<existensil>
not with the latest raspbian
<existensil>
i guess it depends on how old his distro is
<havenwood>
t4nk706: running latest raspbian?
<havenwood>
might be 1.8, might be 1.9
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<existensil>
probably best to do the full ruby1.9.1-dev to be sure
<t4nk706>
I believe so. It's brand new, and my IT teacher know his stuff.
<t4nk706>
How do I check?
<havenwood>
t4nk706: does installing ruby1.9.1-dev solve your problem?
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<t4nk706>
I shall try it now.
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<havenwood>
t4nk706: consider an `rpi-update` followed by an `apt-get dist-upgrade`
<existensil>
with a possible "apt-get update" in between
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<t4nk706>
As far as it doesn't ruin other programs installed on the Raspberry. I don't think my teacher made a new image of it, after he managed to install some other complicated somftware.
<t4nk706>
It doesn't break stuff, right?
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<havenwood>
t4nk706: no promises. can you build your gem with ruby1.9.1-dev installed?
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<existensil>
there is almost no way installing development headers can hurt your device
<t4nk706>
Sadly, I have no such experiences.
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<existensil>
unless you have extreme space constraints
<existensil>
and the headers fill your disk
<t4nk706>
Well, 8 GB should be fine, right?
<existensil>
yes
<existensil>
4GB should be fine
<existensil>
2GB is trouble, but generally isn't enough to even use raspbian, so you'd know
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<t4nk706>
Alright, I'll run rpi-update, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, which hopefully will not break it all?
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<t4nk706>
Have we confirmed that an upgrade is really necessary? I just finished downloading the ruby-dev.
<existensil>
oh, well, the updates could break something
<existensil>
i'd do the ruby1.9.1-dev install and try installing your gem again first
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<existensil>
its unlikely the rpi-update and apt package updates would break anything, but they are clearly more likely to than dev headers
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<t4nk706>
Well, I just wanted to make sure.
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<t4nk706>
However, I did try to install the gem with the correct version, which I a apparently have according to ruby -v.
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<t4nk706>
Hold on, while I get another freaking error message (What have I done to deserve this?).
<existensil>
is it at least a new one this time?
<existensil>
new errors aren't a problem, they are progress!
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<t4nk706>
That is... strangely true. It gives a wicked feel of progress!
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<havenwood>
The Pi CPU "implements the ARMv6 ISA (with VFP2) and is thus incompatible with the Debian armhf port baseline"
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<existensil>
so you should probably use raspbian because floating point support is cool
<havenwood>
t4nk706: your raspbian is peachy
<existensil>
I seriously want to know its secrets. You appear to have a repo installed 2.1.3 and I want it.
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<t4nk706>
I'll tell my teacher that after hollydays. He let me take the Raspberry with the mounted BrickPi along with some stuff for homeaoutomation with the Pi home during holydays.
<t4nk706>
Sorry to bother you again, but I kinda need some tips.
<havenwood>
t4nk706: nice
<existensil>
for now can you run: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
<existensil>
it will tell me something hopefully about where you are getting your sweet updated packages
<t4nk706>
I'll do that for you.
<existensil>
thanks :-)
<t4nk706>
Meanwhile, do you guys know about the LEGO Mindstorms robot set, and how a BrickPi can be mounted on top of it so one can use the Pi to control the parts?
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<LesZedCB>
thats awesome. I miss my old mindstorms
<existensil>
that sounds fun. no, have never played with that though.
<t4nk706>
Someone who figured out what went wrong?
<existensil>
that's how you got 2.1.3! you have jessie repos!
<yorickpeterse>
existensil: I already said a bunch of times it's in Jessie :P
<existensil>
well I wasn't sure what the rasbian source would look like for that
<existensil>
pretty obvious now that I see it
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<t4nk706>
Oh, I can see it all, too - not!
<t4nk706>
One day I want to work with this stuff. It helps getting a master in IT, right?
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<existensil>
oh, I get it now. You are running Dexter Industries modified Raspbian distribution
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<yorickpeterse>
omlette du fromage
<existensil>
which comes pre-configured with the BrickPi C headers, required for brick-pi gem to install.
<existensil>
and probably comes with the jessie sources
<yorickpeterse>
t4nk706: depends on the education
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<existensil>
t4nk706: also depends on what you want to do. If you want to do more enigneering, then just get your bachelors (if that even) and jump in. If you want to do more research oriented stuff, then maybe climb the academic ladder a bit higher.
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<t4nk706>
existensil: Sadly, I don't. I thought I could manage to install it myself, rather than using the image.
<existensil>
oh, well if the gem installed at all the headers should be there
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<t4nk706>
Still, it doesn't work. I'll have to try it in C, like he wanted me to do it. (Kind off cheating with Ruby)
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<existensil>
I couldn't find that method in the brick-pi ruby source
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<existensil>
thinking the gem is fine but the docs are wrong
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<existensil>
was going to try and install the gem as well, but that's when I discovered you have to have all of this BrickPi and WiringPi installed, which is why I figured you are running the special BrickPi version of raspbian
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<t4nk706>
Hmm, I'll try that.
<t4nk706>
Thanks. And sorry for the wait - had some sudden nosebleeding.
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<yorickpeterse>
how dare you take care of yourself while on IRC
<t4nk706>
I did it out of respect for my keyboard.
<t4nk706>
Also, I cleaned it two weeks ago. It was full of green clumps.
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<yorickpeterse>
green clumps?
<t4nk706>
I think they were living, green clumps.You know, like a tribe of green lumps living in my keyboard.
<t4nk706>
Feasting on everything that fell down between the mountains of keys, which by the way, was quite a lot.
<existensil>
It is rare that something on IRC turns my stomach
<existensil>
congratz
<yorickpeterse>
I clean my keyboards every day
<yorickpeterse>
then again I have some serious brain issues
<t4nk706>
Really, you remove the keys every day?
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<t4nk706>
Erm, guys? Why don't the files I put on my memory stick show up on the Pi?
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<yorickpeterse>
No, at home I have this air pump thing (which basically looks like a cross over between a rocket and a butt plut), I also rinse it off using a wet cloth
<yorickpeterse>
otherwise I just blow some air at the keys to get dust out
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<t4nk706>
existensil: I tried the script you showed me, and it actually ran without any errors! However, my test wheel didn't spin either. I even changed the script to run all ports.
<t4nk706>
Any suggestions?
<existensil>
no idea there
<existensil>
I've taken you as far as I can as I don't have the necessary hardware to play any deeper
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<Steve_Jobs>
is it better to have references done via gemfile github pointers, or relative paths and submodules? I'm guessing the latter as you do away with the need to edit gem files when switching versions
<Steve_Jobs>
this is for dependencies between repos I own
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<yorickpeterse>
Github gems
<yorickpeterse>
Messing around with relative paths and submodules is a total pain
<Steve_Jobs>
yorickpeterse: yes and no
<Steve_Jobs>
it's about the same level of pain. I have to deal with :ref => 2135baddf
<Steve_Jobs>
which adds an element of human error of typing the wrong thing or pasting into the wrong Gemfile
<Steve_Jobs>
I'm trying to flush out the total pros and cons between the 2 approaches
<Steve_Jobs>
.. to add to the dilema there are golang solutions mixed in
<Steve_Jobs>
you don't have Gemfiles there
<Steve_Jobs>
so now you have to check 2 places
<yorickpeterse>
Then dont add specific Git versions to it
<yorickpeterse>
keep some branch stable, point to that
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<Steve_Jobs>
yorickpeterse: can't do that
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<yorickpeterse>
alternative: dont update Gems unless you know they're stable
<Steve_Jobs>
it would require a lot of tagging all over the place
<yorickpeterse>
or use tags
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<yorickpeterse>
well it's either that or you start fucking around with file paths
<Steve_Jobs>
if it was ~3 repos sure
<Steve_Jobs>
we're getting 10+
<yorickpeterse>
which brings problems such as "What if Alice the dev doesn't want to store projects in that path you require?"
<Steve_Jobs>
and lots of code changes
<yorickpeterse>
only 10 repos?
<yorickpeterse>
I have 94, works fine here
<Steve_Jobs>
yorickpeterse: not sure what the location of the repos has to do with it
<Steve_Jobs>
the paths are relative
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<Steve_Jobs>
yorickpeterse: ouch
<yorickpeterse>
Steve_Jobs: if the Gems are inside the project itself, sure
<Steve_Jobs>
that's a lot of repos
<yorickpeterse>
if they're outside of it you're screwed
<yorickpeterse>
also submodules are a total fucking pain to deal with
<Steve_Jobs>
yorickpeterse: the Gemfiles are inside
<yorickpeterse>
I had a project use 50 submodules or so, so we could keep them isolated (parts of it were outsourced)
<Steve_Jobs>
doing a lot of checkouts of old versions
<yorickpeterse>
That nightmare will never make it back in
<yorickpeterse>
or I'll eat my cat
<Steve_Jobs>
what was the issue with submodules. have had great succes with about 90 at a time
<yorickpeterse>
cloning takes forever (assuming you're doing it recursively to get the submodules in), if it's something generic (e.g. a Gem) you'd end up installing it multiple times if it's re-used, the process of updating submodules is a pain (though updating all of them is semi ok)
<yorickpeterse>
Removing submodules is a disaster too
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<Steve_Jobs>
one fear is that there is a lot of manual inspection of these Gemfiles all over the place for the right versions
<Steve_Jobs>
yorickpeterse: I'm very well versed in Git.. that's not the issue
<yorickpeterse>
Steve_Jobs: so am I, I've been using it for 5 years now
<yorickpeterse>
That doesn't take away that the UI of submodules are a disaster
<Steve_Jobs>
shallow clones are easy to do so the long running clone is not an issue
<yorickpeterse>
Git subtrees are somewhat better, but I haven't used them at "scale"
<yorickpeterse>
Either way, your best bet here is to write proper Gems, smack them on Github and lock down to a version in the Gemfile
<Steve_Jobs>
what's the issue with the submodule ui? we're working on the command line
<yorickpeterse>
I just explained you that
<yorickpeterse>
why do you have to go through _7 steps_ to remove a submodule? Why do I have to run `cd path/to/submodule; git pull origin whatever; cd -` to update it?
<yorickpeterse>
why can Git not clone them in parallel?
<yorickpeterse>
why does it fuck up if you put a slash at the end of a path (e.g. when removing one)
<yorickpeterse>
the list goes on
<Steve_Jobs>
yorickpeterse: the structure of the submodules doesn't change
<Steve_Jobs>
plus the upstream of our project uses submodules
<yorickpeterse>
Like I said, if you organize things like a proper project (have some stable branch, tag your releases, bump your versions, etc), this will be no different compared to relying on a Gem on RubyGems
<Steve_Jobs>
we're probably never going to remove a submodule
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<Steve_Jobs>
what about the golang parts?
<yorickpeterse>
I have dozens of projects managed by different people, this process really isn't as hard as one might think
<yorickpeterse>
No idea, I don't deal with that mess of a language
<yorickpeterse>
You can't put that in Bundler anyway, it only deals with Ruby
<Steve_Jobs>
also a few pieces are a couple of other tech
<Steve_Jobs>
ya.. I know
<yorickpeterse>
Then again it's not that difficult to say "Before you work on project X you need to install these other projects: ..."
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<yorickpeterse>
if you want to simplify that further, look into Docker/Vagrant
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<t4nk706>
existensil: Well, thank you anyway. Maybe I will be able to finish the job somehow else.
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