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<ssn>
Hi, anyone know how Ranges are represented in Ruby? Are they just Arrays?
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<ssn>
Any word on how efficient they are too? (e.g. (1..4_000_000).each_slice(2) { |val| ... } ?
<davidcelis>
ssn: a Range is a Range.
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<ssn>
davidcelis: cool, thanks, but do you know what data structure is used to house them? Or is it actually dynamically generated at runtime as an ever increasing enumerator?
<davidcelis>
It's a Range, not exactly sure what you're trying to ask.
<davidcelis>
Did you check the docs? It is 100% its own object.
<any-key>
not really challenge, but fun little thing
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<otters>
any-key: how exactly do you answer in 0.347 seconds
<any-key>
otters: you cheat
<any-key>
but it's still fun to do it even if you don't win
<otters>
yeah, but how do you cheat that fast
<otters>
you'd have to read the problem first
<otters>
...right
<any-key>
dunno, get it right and look at the code it shows you
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<any-key>
the site isn't well-written in that it gives one set of input/output for evaluation and then reevaluates them at the end of the week with another output
<any-key>
so you could hard-code a solution
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<any-key>
but supposedly they get rid of those at the end of the week and determine a winner
<any-key>
still kinda lame
<any-key>
seems trivial to have a bunch of different tests
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<any-key>
otters: actually, it runs really fast without cheating
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<Behi>
Does ruby have something like groovy's "?." operator?
<Behi>
a?.foo is idential too a ? a.foo : nil
<any-key>
is that like a streamline if?
<any-key>
the ? operator, that is
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<ugly_cow>
ARGV.first but no ARGV.second?
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<davidcelis>
?
<davidcelis>
lol
<davidcelis>
you get .first and .last
<davidcelis>
it's gotta end somewhere, man
<ugly_cow>
oh
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<davidcelis>
otherwise, [1]..[i-1]
<ugly_cow>
so how do you get the inbetweens?
<ugly_cow>
using #{$1} #{$2} ?
<davidcelis>
ARGV[1]
<davidcelis>
ARGV[2]
<davidcelis>
etc
<davidcelis>
its just an array
<ugly_cow>
oh ok
<ugly_cow>
$0 is special $1 doesnt work out
<davidcelis>
those are used in regex matching..
<ugly_cow>
oh i was refering to #{$0} giving you the script name as the first argument
<ugly_cow>
noted
<Animawish>
I need major help with a program that I'm trying to make. It's to rename the files in a folder from, for example, "My.Little.Pony.Friendship.is.Magic.S02E08.The.Mysterious.Mare.Do.Well.720p.AC3.5.1.fix.mkv" to "208 The Mysterious Mare Do Well.mkv"
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<davidcelis>
It's not a tutorial, but it allows you to test regular expressions as you tweak them, live
<davidcelis>
Put in that test string, look at the reference, and see what you can do
<davidcelis>
other than that, just google for ruby regex tutorials
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<any-key>
just google regex tutorials
<any-key>
it's almost universal for most things
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<mgj>
Wich ORM is recommended in ruby? DataMapper?
<Brandonn>
active record
<ryanf>
for non-rails projects, sequel is supposed to be good
<ryanf>
I guess you can use it for rails too but it's not exactly the beaten path
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<Dysaniak>
What's a clever way of sorting an array by the second item in each of its members? E.g the numbers in this example [["Frown", -300], ["Frud", 33], ["Scott", 35]]?
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<any-key>
Dysaniak: passing the sort method a block
<any-key>
array.sort { |a,b| a[1] <=> b[1] }
<Dysaniak>
A block refers to { what's inside these? }
<any-key>
yes, but there's more to them than that
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<Dysaniak>
What does <=> signify?
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<any-key>
it's called the diamond operator (kind of slang, makes it easier to google)
<any-key>
hmm maybe not
<samuelkadolph>
Dysaniak: Comparison operator
<any-key>
yeah that one :P
<samuelkadolph>
1 <=> 4 # => -1 because 1 is less than 4
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<Dysaniak>
<=> resolves to -1, 0, or 1, I guess.
<any-key>
yep
<samuelkadolph>
Like most languages
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<Animawish>
what's the best beginner's book for learning ruby
<Animawish>
one with structure preferably
<any-key>
not Why's (poignant) Guide if you want structure :P
<Animawish>
haha yeah
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<any-key>
although I think if you skip some of the rambling (but awesome) stories it has a really awesome overview of the language
<any-key>
he introduces metaprogramming in a nice way
<Animawish>
I think I got 2/3 of the way through why's guide
<any-key>
at the very least the metaprogramming chapter is worth reading
<Dysaniak>
Animawish: You want a book you can buy, or something else online?
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<Dysaniak>
There's also "Learn Ruby the Hard Way."
<Dysaniak>
Very elementary.
<any-key>
didn't Zed actually say that take on his Python version didn't suck?
<any-key>
iirc he hates people copying his python book
<Animawish>
dysaniak: anything that's professional and structured. I'm horrible at self teaching, so something that's like a class I suppose
<Animawish>
right now I'm messing around with rubymonk and I kind of like that system
<Dysaniak>
Animawish: What is it that you think you need from 'structure?'
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<Animawish>
examples, practice problems, doesn't jump around a ton in the same lesson, doesn't assume knowledge
<Animawish>
at least, doesn't assume programming knowledge
<any-key>
I recommend just picking something and writing shit
<any-key>
doesn't even have to be good
<any-key>
then go rewrite it
<Dysaniak>
That's what I was gonna say.
<Dysaniak>
I'm just writing an inaccureate, simple simulator.
<Animawish>
I always hit brick walls because I don't know any vocabulary, and I have a hard time with syntax and shit
<Dysaniak>
When I get stuck, I go back and read my text until I come across what I am looking for.
<Dysaniak>
Now that I am past Ruby the Hard Way, until I find something better (I'll probably break down and hit up the library) I come in here and ask naive questions.
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<Animawish>
I guess I'll try reading Ruby the Hard Way
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<Dysaniak>
Do everything the hard way, first.
<Dysaniak>
That's what a learning curve is.
<Dysaniak>
I'm sure there are easier ways to accomplish what I'm trying.
<Dysaniak>
How can I print lists horizontally instead of vertically?
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<edwardsharp>
is there a good way to inspect a module with IRB? would be nice if right after a require 'module' I could start chaining inspections methods off the imported object...
<any-key>
listen to the soundtrack for extra ruby powers
* edwardsharp
agrees
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<any-key>
I actually really like the soundtrack...
<any-key>
it was weird but there's some really catchy parts
<Time2303>
"I’ll be straight with you. I want you to cry. To weep. To whimper sweetly. This book is a poignant guide to Ruby. That means code so beautiful that tears are shed."
<any-key>
the man is emotional
<any-key>
and a fucking genius
<edwardsharp>
:D
* edwardsharp
agrees
<any-key>
I miss him.
<any-key>
I actually got my brother a hard copy of that book for christmas
<any-key>
haven't seen the results yet but if it worked well I may get a copy for myself
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<t-mart>
im trying to seed an Array#shuffle call, but it's not working. could someone verify http://pastie.org/3044411
<t-mart>
ArgumentError
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<rippa>
is you RUBY_VERSION 1.9.3?
<t-mart>
yep. that's why
<t-mart>
woopsies
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<suffix>
hey hey hey duders. is it possible/wise to write a ruby program which accesses / modifies a google spreadsheet, sends emails, sshes into servers, runs commands on said servers, and runs bash scripts on a local server?
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<Spaceghostc2c>
When making a gem, I want to use spork and guard with rspec, but don't want to force at least the spork part onto possible gem contributors through the spec_helper.rb
<Spaceghostc2c>
My current solution is to do some git branching with rebasing to remove commits that change the spec_helper.rb file from the spork usage to the non-sporky one.
<Spaceghostc2c>
Feelsnastyman.
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<burgestrand>
Spaceghostc2c: for that very same thing, I put the non-hard development dependencies in a Gemfile, and in my spec_helper I rescue any load errors from not having that particular file so it’s not required
<moshef>
im trying to compare two dates in a test, but they have a few seconds difference
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<moshef>
how do i parse it to match just the days/month part or anything like that?
<burgestrand>
Spaceghostc2c: that way my soft dependencies can be installed through bundler, but are not necessarily required
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<matled>
moshef: are you sure you want to compare days? what if your test is run at midnight?
<moshef>
not just days. minutes too
<moshef>
just leave the seconds behind
<matled>
so, if your test is run at :59 the minute will be different, will it not?
<Spaceghostc2c>
burgestrand: I was going to thank you, but you left. D:
<moshef>
might be, i wont overkil because of that
<moshef>
its ok if it works 99.9% of the times as well
<matled>
I'd recommend to do something like (time2 - time1).abs < 5
<moshef>
.abs?
<matled>
if you are sure that time2 is greater than time1 you can drop that
<matled>
otherwise it ensures that the difference is positive
<moshef>
oh
<moshef>
< 5 wont help me, because the days are different
<moshef>
anyway im getting help already so thanks buddy
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<shevy>
LONG LIVE RUBY!
<shevy>
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<ksinkar>
I am writing code for xml builder markup, but my xml markups enclosing tags are similar to MK-IP. now how do I have these kinds of tags? I have read the documentation but could not find much help on it.
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<Time2303>
do do do do :x
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<Time2303>
wow guys, shut up - your all flooding my chat.
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<adac>
hi guys. I do have 2 Integer numbers, which I don't know which one is bigger (they can also be equal btw.) what is a nice way to alyways subtract the smaller from the bigger integer?
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<t-mart>
(a-b).abs
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<banisterfiend>
t-mart: very clever :P
<banisterfiend>
actually that's not right
<banisterfiend>
oh it is brb
<t-mart>
why's that?
<banisterfiend>
oh it is brb
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<bjensen>
I have some large yaml files in Rails, but I do not get a line reference or anything that will help me debug..any idea how I can get Psych to provide me with aline?
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<Tasser>
is it accepted to say that there's a special place in hell for people who use 'raise Exception' without good reason?
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<bjensen>
nm ill ask somewhere else
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<shevy>
Tasser sounds like buggy code
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<banisterfiend>
er
<banisterfiend>
is this a bug in ruby? [][-1] = 10 #=> IndexError: index -1 too small for array; minimum: 0
<rippa>
works here
<nicksmith>
an index of -1 in an array?
<rippa>
ah, nope
<nicksmith>
works for me too
<rippa>
not works
<Mon_Ouie>
No, it's not; the array doesn't have a last item if it's empty
<nicksmith>
wait, also doesn't work oops
* nicksmith
back to making coffee
<banisterfiend>
Mon_Ouie: yet [][-1] works
<Mon_Ouie>
Yeah, and so does [][1000]
<bobdobbs>
How do I do "for each line in my multi-line string, do this thing here"?
<rippa>
because [] and []= are different methods
<Mon_Ouie>
bobdobbs: string.each_line do |line| … end
<bobdobbs>
thanks
<banisterfiend>
Mon_Ouie: [][100] = 10 works, but [][-1] does not, it's annoying because it means i have to special case code that i otherwise would not
<banisterfiend>
i guess [][-2] = 10 is kind of weird though
<Mon_Ouie>
But how would it know what index it should refer to in that case?
<Mon_Ouie>
It's not an alias for push with other arrays either
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<banisterfiend>
i guess you're right
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<mindgame>
is there a cmd to autoupdate ruby ->1.9.3
<Tasser>
mindgame, pacman -Syu
<Tasser>
mindgame, or: use a package manager
<mindgame>
in which directory?
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<bobdobbs>
I'm trying to do something to a multi-line string, including capitalizing each line. I'm not getting errors, but I'm not getting capitalization: http://pastebin.com/Lq93zZrP
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<Mon_Ouie>
Your string is capitalized already
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<bobdobbs>
Mon_Ouie: when I run the script from a terminal, I'm not seeing capitalized strings
<bobdobbs>
I'm sure I'm doing something lame and n00bish though
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<Mon_Ouie>
Maybe not knowing what capitalized means?
<bobdobbs>
hm. maybe
<Mon_Ouie>
See the examples in String#capitalize
<bobdobbs>
k
<mindgame>
can someone tell a noob how to update ruby on windows? I downloaded it & am in readme. Run ./configure ??
<benj_>
mindgame, sounds like you downloaded a unix version
<p0y>
anyone having errors with instance of Date needs to have method `marshal_load'?
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<mindgame>
ty benj_
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<banisterfiend>
anyone have experience setting up travis-ci for a project?
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<adac>
I need to execute a command line command. As far as i know you can use `COMMAND` for that. How can i do something like that: `COMMAND filename1` where filename1 is a ruby variable?
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<Mon_Ouie>
#{filename1}, but you would need proper escaping with this syntax
<Mon_Ouie>
Prefer popen (or system if you don't need the output)
<adac>
Mon_Ouie, yeah don't need the output, I try popen. thank you a lot!
<Mon_Ouie>
system command, filename
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<jules2>
what could be the cause of gem install [anything] saying ERROR: Could not find a valid gem '[anything]'' (>= 0) in any repository?
<Mon_Ouie>
The gem not being present in the repository
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<jules2>
yes, although it happens for any gem, even those that are supposed to be there
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<adac>
Mon_Ouie, is this wrong? output = IO.popen("ls -la")
<adac>
output.readlines
<Mon_Ouie>
It doesn't close the output
<adac>
oh ok
<Mon_Ouie>
As with other IO objects, prefer the block form
<Mon_Ouie>
popen(…) do |io| … end
<adac>
Mon_Ouie, kk, thank you again!
<burgestrand>
jules2: what do you get if you type "gem sources"?
<burgestrand>
jules2: alright, looks sane to me, no idea then
<jules2>
i'm on windows, and i've tried to reinstall ruby (with rubyinstaller) but that didn't help
<jules2>
also, gem update --system says it's already at the latest version, but gem -v says 1.8.9 (which is not the latest version according tot he website)
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<`brendan>
morning
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