#ruby on 2013-11-07 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2013-08-12 20:51 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.0.0-p247: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p448) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || this channel is logged at http://irclog.whitequark.org, other public logging is prohibited

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00:04 <someish> joelteon: there are no spaces in front of each line.

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00:04 <someish> just the required tabs

00:04 <joelteon> oh

00:04 <joelteon> remove two spaces in the front of lines 3-10

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00:09 <benzrf> does 'raise an error' have some kind of special meaning besides just exceptioning>

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00:11 <benzrf> :|

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00:11 <benzrf> wait, never mind

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00:25 <glaksmono> anyone is around?

00:25 <glaksmono> can someone help?

00:25 <glaksmono> i want to get the immediate folder

00:25 <glaksmono> given for example /foo/bar/baz

00:25 <glaksmono> how do i get baz?

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00:27 <shevy> glaksmono try

00:27 <shevy> >> "/foo/bar/baz".split('/')[-1]

00:27 <eval-in_> shevy => "baz" (https://eval.in/61194)

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00:42 <bnagy> >> File.bsaename '/foo/bar/baz'

00:42 <eval-in_> bnagy => undefined method `bsaename' for File:Class (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/61195)

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00:42 <bnagy> except, you know, spelled right

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00:43 <bricker`work> What's the purpose of "send :include, SomeModule" over "include SomeModule"?

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00:43 <bricker`work> I've seen the words "lazy loading" tossed around, but I don't buy it

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00:50 <bnagy> no idea, let me know if you find out

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00:53 <bnagy> it would make sense if SomeModule were a variable, obviously

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01:00 <sayd> anyone familiar with boxen know why this would happen when i try to run bundle install? https://gist.github.com/marr/7e3ab6cf4686e09d3c65

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01:02 <rubx_> my regex is throwing a syntax error, expecting keyword_end

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01:03 <rubx_> username =~ /^([^.]+)\.(.+)$/) || username =~ /^(.)(.+)$/)

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01:04 <rubx_> end is expected after the ) before ||

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01:06 <sevenseacat> whats with the ) after the regex?

01:06 <sevenseacat> both of them

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01:06 <rubx_> github.com/lmmx/watir-paper-scanner/blob/master/pmcscraper.rb

01:06 <rubx_> http://github.com/lmmx/watir-paper-scanner/blob/master/pmcscraper.rb

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01:07 <rubx_> can't work out if that's a typo...

01:07 <sevenseacat> first one looks like a syntax error, second one doesnt exist in that code

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01:07 <rubx_> oops you're right I copied down wrong off the error message

01:08 <rubx_> perhaps it was a typo, sorry to bother!

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01:10 <sevenseacat> all good :)

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01:13 <zhangyan> 早上好

01:13 <zhangyan> 请问ruby中文频道在哪？

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01:19 <benzrf> hello can anybody critique my code

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01:19 <benzrf> [yes i am going to keep asking for every exercise i do]

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01:36 <someish> If someone can figure out why I'm getting a "Indenting at the beginning of the document is illegal." error I'll give them a thousand buttons. https://gist.github.com/saturday/77f489fb181a81754fe6

01:36 <someish> haml ^

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01:37 <sevenseacat> because indenting at the beginning is indeed illegal

01:37 <sevenseacat> its not rocket science

01:37 <benzrf> someish: sounds accurate

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01:38 <blindrage> i'm writing a cucumber test for a makefile, and i'm running system('make mything')

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01:38 <blindrage> i don't want the output, but it's printing regardless.

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01:38 <blindrage> did i miss something?

01:39 <benzrf> can anybody look over my exercise solutoin and critique my code, it is only about 30 lines??

01:39 <sevenseacat> thats an interesting idea

01:39 <someish> sevenseacat: do you see an indent at the beginning of the %q?

01:39 <someish> sevenseacat: better, what the code look like fixed?

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01:40 <sevenseacat> someish: no, but i see about a 50 character indent on the next line

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01:40 <benzrf> it is at http://bpaste.net/show/pHL4gyoqLhDI8h6cbDs9/ and the challenge is at http://bpaste.net/raw/147458/

01:40 <sevenseacat> someish: if you had full code with a full error we might be able to shed more light

01:40 <someish> benzrf: how about you? do you think you can fix the problem I posted?

01:41 <benzrf> someish: it looks indented to me

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01:41 <benzrf> what does %q do?

01:41 <benzrf> [i am pretty new]

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01:42 <benzrf> unrelated but is there any significant difference between :: and .

01:42 <someish> sevenseacat: here's the updated gist with the entire controller and all of the errors in the description: https://gist.github.com/saturday/77f489fb181a81754fe6

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01:43 <sevenseacat> ah see thats different

01:43 <sevenseacat> what is %q+ ?

01:44 <someish> That's the beginning of a quote (multi-line string).

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01:44 <sevenseacat> so you mean it starts on the next line which has like a 50 character indent?

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01:45 <someish> sevenseacat: I get the same error whether or not it starts on the next line or directly after the %q+

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01:48 <someish> sevenseacat: If I bring it all the way over haml claims the variables don't exit.

01:48 <someish> exisst

01:48 <sevenseacat> what variables?

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01:49 <someish> results_premap

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01:50 <sevenseacat> got an actual error?

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01:51 <someish> (haml):4 - undefined local variable or method `results_premap'

01:51 <sevenseacat> because you're not interpolating it into the string you're passing to haml

01:51 <sevenseacat> compare likes 65 and 66 with 67

01:51 <sevenseacat> *lines

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01:55 <someish> sevenseacat: I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

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01:56 <someish> The third h2 has html before the variable so I can't use the = character

01:56 <sevenseacat> line 65 is passing the string "%h2= results_premap[:user_name]' to HTML

01:56 <sevenseacat> you are not actually putting the value into the string

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01:57 <sevenseacat> *to HAML

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02:00 <someish> sevenseacat: doesn't the = operator allow ruby to be inserted into the code?

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02:01 <sevenseacat> yes, in HAML.

02:01 <sevenseacat> not in the ruby you're passing to the HAML.

02:01 <sevenseacat> in the string, rather

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02:01 <someish> sevenseacat: AHHH!

02:01 <someish> i see.

02:02 <sevenseacat> see my comment

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02:41 <shevy> bricker`work perhaps a dynamic include... but I would say 99.8% of the time, include Foo is the proper way

02:41 <shevy> bricker`work often I have the feeling that people only use something because it is available, not because they need it

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02:53 <eph3meral> is rubyforge undergoing maintenance?

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03:46 <benzrf> hi, i want to add a ruby-evaluating command to my irc bot

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03:46 <benzrf> is there an online service or a sandbox I can use?

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03:47 <benzrf> eval-in_: help

03:47 <benzrf> eval-in_: about

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03:48 <benzrf> meh

03:48 <benzrf> >> 3

03:48 <eval-in_> benzrf => 3 (https://eval.in/61255)

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03:49 <shevy> benzrf there used to be a sandbox written by _why

03:49 <benzrf> hm

03:49 <shevy> soon after that, BasicObject was added to the core

03:49 <shevy> because it can be used for sandboxing ruby stuff

03:49 <shevy> if only we could get the source of eval-in_ !

03:51 <icy`> color-coded output please ;P

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04:38 <existensil> given method signature def foo(&block), is yield(bar) the same as block.call(bar) ?

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04:40 <existensil> trying to implement an #each for Enumerable behavior, and wondering if doing "def each(&block)" and calling block.call each time will work

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04:47 <existensil> nvm. works fine

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04:56 <platzhirsch> man, hunting memory leaks 6 in the morning is no fun

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05:05 <shevy> hunt girls instead

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05:06 <platzhirsch> I'd rather hunt a pillow now

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05:07 <shevy> catch them, they are quick

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05:07 <shevy> you know what helps me?

05:07 <shevy> to listen to the sound of "Insomnia" from faithless

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05:08 <platzhirsch> I think I nailed the leak

05:08 <shevy> better than leaking the nail

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05:09 <platzhirsch> ^^

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05:13 <platzhirsch> and all was well.. except from the other two major leaks, nighty

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05:38 <scruz> hello. newbie following the Poignant Guide. if a variable is created in a Ruby source file, and you require that variable in another script, how can you access the variable? that's a bit of the book that's not working. i'm running 1.8.7, system-supplied on OS X

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05:55 <scruz> i've tested in an irb session and can import wordlist.rb with require 'wordlist', but i can't seem to access anything defined in wordlist.rb

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06:05 <havenwood> scruz: What's in `wordlist.rb` and how are ya trying to access it?

06:06 <scruz> havenwood: I'm following "Why's Poignant Guide to Ruby", and in wordlist.rb there's a hash i want to use in another source file.

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06:08 <havenwood> scruz: Ah, yes the Poignant Guide needs some love: https://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/4415020

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06:08 <scruz> https://dpaste.de/r5hu

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06:09 <scruz> oh, so ruby follows the same convention as go: names beginning with a lowercase letter aren't exportable outside that source file

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06:10 <havenwood> scruz: The scope of local variables is indeed local.

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06:11 <havenwood> scruz: The Ruby convention is to name Constants in SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE but Module and Classes in CamelCase.

06:12 <havenwood> scruz: (Just mentioned because the thread I linked has some odd code.)

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06:20 <scruz> havenwood: thanks.

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07:22 <inimit> how can I get an array of the next 12 months.. for instance it should return 2013-11, 2013-12, 2014-01, 2014-02, 2014-03, etc

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07:25 <inimit> got it..

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07:28 <arvindravi> hello all, how do I save a json object I have dynamically to a .json file? Essentially it involves creating a new .json and writing the json to it dynamically, it should be fairly simple, i just can't seem to figure out how

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10:38 <joshu> hi anyone know of a public ruby script which can be used to periodically save your timeline tweets?

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10:41 <icedp> joshu: just use twitter gem, it's easy

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10:42 <joshu> icedp ok before I write my own little script I just wanted to ask if there was one available. I just want something simple that can save my timeline tweets so I can read them even if they aren't available in my twitter client anymore

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10:46 <mrfoto> joshu: twitter gem can go waaay back in the history

10:46 <joshu> mrfoto great that's what I need. I'll google examples using the gem. thanks guys

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10:58 <cheeti> hi when i am adding https://uathedge.finahub.com/ site it's showing OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError how to solve this

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11:09 <railsraider> anyone knows how to make logger create a new file write over and not append to file?

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11:10 <railsraider> i need it on every run to make a new file

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11:10 <railsraider> over writing the previous one

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11:15 <Hanmac> railsraider: its all about the opening mode

11:15 <railsraider> ive tried file = open('foo.log', File::WRONLY | File::APPEND | File::CREAT)

11:16 <railsraider> but it does not create a new file

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11:16 <railsraider> it appends

11:16 <railsraider> i've tried also without File::APPEND

11:17 <hoelzro> railsraider: you probably want something like O_EXCL

11:17 <Hanmac> File::EXCL ?

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11:17 <railsraider> i'll try

11:17 <cheeti> when OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError error will occur

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11:18 <Hanmac> cheeti: the problem solving depends on your choice of operating system

11:19 <railsraider> hanmac: file = open('foo.log', File::WRONLY | File::CREAT | File::EXCL) -> Errno::EEXIST: File exists - foo.log

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11:19 <railsraider> ah nm

11:19 <railsraider> i removed the create

11:19 <hoelzro> oh

11:19 <hoelzro> you probably want O_TRUNC

11:20 <cheeti> when i am adding https://uathedge.finahub.com/ site it's showing OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError how to solve this. i am using ubuntu os

11:20 <cheeti> <hanmac> when i am adding https://uathedge.finahub.com/ site it's showing OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError how to solve this. i am using ubuntu os

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11:20 <Hanmac> railsraider: why not simply open("foo.log","w") ?

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11:21 <railsraider> i dont want it to append

11:21 <railsraider> will that append?

11:21 <railsraider> i think logger by default appends

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11:21 <Hanmac> railsraider: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/IO.html#method-c-new-label-Open+Mode

11:22 <railsraider> your suggestion worker

11:22 <railsraider> worked

11:22 <railsraider> thanks

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11:22 <Hanmac> cheeti: what is your ruby version? and how did you install it?

11:22 <cheeti> 4.0.0

11:23 <cheeti> 1.9.3p194

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11:25 <cheeti> <hanmac> ruby version is 1.9.3p194

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11:25 <Hanmac> cheeti: what excact error message did you get? what kind of SSL error?

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11:26 <cheeti> <hanmac> SSL_connect SYSCALL returned=5 errno=0 state=unknown state this is the error

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11:28 <Hanmac> cheeti: did you try this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10847779/opensslsslsslerror-ubuntu-12-04-only

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11:47 <cheeti> <hanmac> ok thank i got it

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11:58 <Mimmo> ciao

11:58 <Mimmo> !list

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13:10 <Hanmac> banisterfiend: hey dude, can you do something about Rylee?

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13:13 <Hanmac> banisterfiend: apeiros did told about that yesterday but i did forgot it too

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13:14 <banisterfiend> hanmac think that should do it

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13:15 <Hanmac> yeah *evil laugh*

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13:41 <_br_> cheers

13:41 <_br_> hanmac: you can also hide this stuff using your irc client

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13:45 <apeiros> banisterfiend: you can join ##ruby-fix-your-connection and then /mode #ruby +b Rylee!*@*$##ruby-fix-your-connection

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13:45 <apeiros> it's more telling than a plain ban, especially for the other ops should he ask for unbanning

13:45 <banisterfiend> apeiros haha cool, that forces a join of that channel

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13:46 <banisterfiend> ?

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13:47 <andrewvos> banisterfiend: Setup pry to redirect people somewhere like #lisp or something. For trolling.

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13:48 <banisterfiend> hehe

13:48 <banisterfiend> andrewvos btw are you upgrading to the new 2013 MBA ?

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13:49 <banisterfiend> andrewvos the crappy battery on the 2012 model is a real pain

13:49 <banisterfiend> i barely get 4 hours

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13:52 <workmad3> hanmac: for future reference, I'm not an op in here :(

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13:53 <Hanmac> huch, but you should be ;D

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13:53 <workmad3> hehe :)

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13:54 * workmad3 wonders if someone will give him ultimate power over #ruby >:D

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13:54 <sevenseacat> do eet

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13:55 <banisterfiend> workmad3 you just have to ping the channel owner, he's pretty free with it

13:55 <banisterfiend> (worked for me anyway :P)

13:55 <workmad3> hehe

13:55 <workmad3> cba

13:55 <workmad3> I'll just throw any op requests at you instead ;)

13:55 * workmad3 will be the power behind the scenes

13:55 <banisterfiend> if i see him i'll put in a word :)

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14:18 <apeiros> banisterfiend: yes, and it's recorded as that in the /ban list, so when somebody asks to be unbanned and has that at the end I don't have to ask around :)

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14:21 <zipper> Hey guys I'm a rubyist :D

14:21 <eka> zipper: congrats

14:21 <eka> zipper: good for yao

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14:21 <Hanmac> zipper: better than a phpist ;P

14:21 <andrewvos> yaooo

14:22 <eka> *typo :P :)

14:22 <zipper> eka: thanks still on understanding exceptions though. Plus Procs and the like

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14:22 <zipper> Would you term those as the most complex part of ruby?

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14:27 <Hanmac> zipper depends … regex can be very complex but its not a pure ruby thing … working with Enumerable and all its methods (combinded with lazy) can be difficult

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14:29 <andrewvos> banisterfiend: Maybe. I almost buy one evry day but I feel like I'm just blowing cash on something I don't need

14:29 <andrewvos> banisterfiend: I will probably just do it at some point

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14:32 <banisterfiend> andrewvos u have cash to blow, the only thing is i hear a rumour about a 12" MBA with retina support being released pretty soon

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14:32 <banisterfiend> andrewvos but u can bet the battery on that won't be so sweet

14:33 <andrewvos> orly

14:33 <andrewvos> didn't know about that

14:33 <andrewvos> hmm, 11" is good though

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14:33 <zipper> np Azelia Banks - 212: http://soundcloud.com/azealia-banks/212-1

14:33 <zipper> *Azealia

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14:49 <dp> Is there a gem that will look at a series of CSS files, and a series of URLs, and remove any CSS selectors/attributes that aren't being used?

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14:52 <Hanmac> dp deteting unused selectors might be very complicated … i mean how about a + b {} how would you check if they are used or not? … what about some selectors that only used for specific lang or media?

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14:55 <dp> hanmac: I'd assume things like a + b {} would be handled by DOM parsing, but I'm not sure.

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14:58 <Hanmac> hm ok but i always think that they missed one O while naming that ;P

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15:03 <Hanmac> dp use nokogiri … there css selector function is mighty enough to handle things like "div + p.green"

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15:14 <actibities> hello everybody, I switched from java to ruby about 5 months ago and I'm currently developing this: http://actibities-uniongr.rhcloud.com/pages/view-demo Very excited, ruby rules!

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15:25 <rhys> i have a bit of a problem. i need to isolate a set of gems, and i can't use RVM.

15:25 <rhys> the current environment has a legacy application that doesn't use bundler.

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15:26 <rhys> so as i understand bundler, unless its used for all the apps it won't work.

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15:26 <colonolGron> i tried to learn rails a couple of times, but i stopped everytime because it just seemed to much. and not much fun. did anyone have similar problems?

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15:27 <rhys> colonolGron: rails is pretty awesome when you've written a few web apps

15:28 <actibities> colonolGron: I had the same issues because I was really used to programming in another language (java)

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15:29 <actibities> colonolGron: but when you get your hands on you will love it

15:29 <colonolGron> rhys: i am glad you say that, so it seems to be worth the struggle. if i get it right, you first have to go through it and just follow some tutorials to the end to get a feeling for it?

15:29 <colonolGron> actibities: yeah, i am coming from C

15:29 <rhys> depends on where or what you do

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15:29 <rhys> i guess i don't hear of that many people writing rails apps in their spare time for enjoyment

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15:30 <rhys> i see companies using rails because it gets stuff done

15:30 <actibities> colonolGron: I started learning ruby about 5 months ago, check this: http://actibities-uniongr.rhcloud.com/pages/view-demo and see that it's not that hard :)

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15:30 <colonolGron> the thing is that i have an idea for a web application which i want to try out. just to see if it will work or not. i cant loose much, just some hours coding i guess. i thought about taking php or rails and wanted to go for rails first

15:30 <DouweM> rhys: I resent that. Ruby and Rails *are* fun

15:30 <DouweM> rhys: IMO anyway :P

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15:31 <colonolGron> thanks actibities

15:31 <DouweM> also, this is not #RubyOnRails, which may be a better place to discuss this

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15:31 <rhys> i learn ruby for system automation. ruby != rails.

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15:31 <DouweM> colonolGron: Rails > plain PHP, obviously, but with a proper PHP web framework both are well up to the task. I(/we?) just prefer Ruby and Rails

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15:32 <nhmood> colonolGron: You might want to check out Sinatra if your web app idea isn't too involved

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15:33 <nhmood> Ruby based DSL

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15:33 <colonolGron> sorry, i am aware that ruby != rails and that this is #ruby. i just thought i read some rails regarding stuff in here already, and thought i could ask here. since it not a technical question..just cry for support ;D

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15:34 <nhmood> I just started Ruby (couple months ago) and webdev (couple weeks) so I'm no authority but I've been told Sinatra is a good stepping stone towards rails

15:34 <colonolGron> rhys: i have looked into it, but it seemed to me that there are much more resources for rails, for a webdev beginner like me. the sinatra tutorials seemed to assume that you know how webaps work

15:34 <andrewvos> Sinatra is better than Rails

15:34 <banisterfiend> andrewvos what's your rails-fu like these days?

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15:35 <andrewvos> banisterfiend: I am dying inside.

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15:35 <banisterfiend> andrewvos haha

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15:35 <nhmood> colonolGron: more resources because there is a ton more to do with rails!

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15:36 <nhmood> colonolGron: if you can get your head around building a webapp aroud an API (restful or not) sinatra is really great

15:36 <andrewvos> banisterfiend: But yeah I can do things in it. I just spend most of the time thinking I want to do them anoterh way

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15:37 <colonolGron> nhmood: so can you recommend a good point to learn about general webdevelopment?

15:37 <nhmood> colonolGron: http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/ruby/singing-with-sinatra/ you can probably run through that tutorial in an hour or two, I would highly recommend it

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15:38 <banisterfiend> andrewvos btw do you know how to record the screen so it picks up audio from both pic and what's going into headphones?

15:38 <banisterfiend> mic*

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15:39 <colonolGron> nhmood: thanks

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15:39 <nhmood> colonolGron: np

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15:45 <lmmx> if (defined?(x).nil? && defined?(y).nil?) # is ugly

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15:46 <lmmx> unless defined?(x) && defined?(y) # is the same

15:46 <lmmx> can I keep the else clause that was underneath the if statement now that I have an unless ?

15:46 <Hanmac> lmmx why are you working with defined?

15:46 <Hanmac> it may not work as you think

15:46 <lmmx> defined?(username) && (password) or else => get user input

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15:47 <CalimeroTeknik> hello

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15:47 <CalimeroTeknik> I'm trying to make a script I made for ruby 1.8 to work on 1.9, but I have issues with unicode

15:47 <CalimeroTeknik> in `<main>': incompatible character encodings: UTF-8 and ASCII-8BIT (Encoding::CompatibilityError)

15:47 <DouweM> lmmx: just check for username and password themselves then, no need to use defined?

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15:47 <DouweM> lmmx: `username = nil` means username is defined, but it's completely useless to you

15:48 <DouweM> lmmx: so, check the vars directly :)

15:48 <lmmx> if(username).any?

15:48 <lmmx> if not(username).empty?

15:48 <Hanmac> CalimeroTeknik: just jump to 2.0 and you dont need to care

15:48 <lmmx> hmm...?

15:48 <DouweM> username is a string? then I'd check (username && !username.empty?). I'm not sue there's a #any? on String

15:48 <lmmx> username is a local-variable

15:48 <andrewvos> banisterfiend: No idea dude

15:49 <lmmx> username = GOOGLE_MAIL = "....@gmail.com"

15:49 <DouweM> lmmx: that's the type of the `username` literal. the object it refers to is probably a string

15:49 <CalimeroTeknik> oh, I didn't notice that I do have ruby 2.0.0_p247

15:49 <CalimeroTeknik> (rolling releases…)

15:50 <CalimeroTeknik> ruby 2.0.0p247 (2013-06-27 revision 41674) [x86_64-linux]

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15:51 <CalimeroTeknik> I removed all of my # coding: UTF-8 but it persists

15:51 * Hanmac does not care about rolling releases because he is a bloody stupid nightly user ;P

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15:51 <CalimeroTeknik> yeah well! I'm not such a hardcode ruby user ^^

15:51 <CalimeroTeknik> hardcore*

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16:04 <lessless> is there a way to call class methods in included module hook?

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16:05 <Hanmac> lessless: no, but you can use Module and module_function

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16:09 <lessless> hanmac, I'm not sure if this can help me: the task is to set an instance variables and call instance method upon inclusion https://gist.github.com/dirty-hippie/7355701#file-gafetchable-rb-L6

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16:15 <CalimeroTeknik> hanmac, that's the smallest piece of code that produces the error, you can test it: http://sprunge.us/UGfV

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16:15 <CalimeroTeknik> (the UTF-8 error on ruby 2)

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16:16 <Hanmac> CalimeroTeknik: the first line is wrong

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16:17 <Hanmac> use #!/usr/bin/env ruby

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16:18 <CalimeroTeknik> corrected, but I still get test:16:in `<main>': incompatible character encodings: UTF-8 and ASCII-8BIT (Encoding::CompatibilityError)

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16:21 <Hanmac> CalimeroTeknik: hm are you sure that the file is saved in utf-8 ? that are your LANG settings in the ENV?

16:21 <bean___> CalimeroTeknik: try .force_encoding('UTF-8') on w/e thing is getting encoded wrong.

16:21 <CalimeroTeknik> absolutely certain

16:21 <CalimeroTeknik> /tmp/test: Ruby script, UTF-8 Unicode text executable

16:21 <CalimeroTeknik> I mean I don't even have any other locale than UTF-8 generated

16:21 <CalimeroTeknik> try the script yourself if you want to be sure

16:22 <bean___> try forcing the encoding of those strings to UTF-8

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16:23 <Hanmac> that was me

16:24 <CalimeroTeknik> that's right, with ruby 1.9 and 2.0, line.force_encoding('UTF-8') solves the issue!

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16:25 <sivsushruth> i am unable to join #rubyonrails

16:25 <sivsushruth> i get the error #rubyonrails :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services

16:25 <sivsushruth> kindly help

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16:25 <bean___> sivsushruth: you have to register your nick with nickserv

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16:26 <bean___> its basically protects them from random people joining and parting that aren't registered, spammers, etc.

16:26 <CalimeroTeknik> sivsushruth http://plone.org/support/chat/how-to-register

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16:26 <Hanmac> sivsushruth: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22+you+need+to+be+identified+with+services%22&l=1

16:27 <Hanmac> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#plusr

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16:28 <CalimeroTeknik> I see, so socket outputs ASCII since ruby 1.9

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16:28 <Hanmac> hm CalimeroTeknik curious because it works for me without change on 2.1+

16:28 <julian-delphiki> hanmac and his 2.1 madness

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16:29 <CalimeroTeknik> you need to privmsg some え or whatever to the bot, hanmac

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16:29 <CalimeroTeknik> any unicode character, otherwise it just works fine

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16:37 <Hanmac> CalimeroTeknik: use socket.set_encoding("UTF-8")

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16:39 <CalimeroTeknik> thank you hanmac!

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16:41 <godd2> Could someone help me understand Range#bsearch ? Or point me to a resource which explains it?

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16:42 <DouweM> you're one of today's lucky 10,000: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm

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16:45 <godd2> Thank you, and I apologize for not asking more clearly, but I'm confused about how Ruby is implementing the algo with ranges

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16:46 <godd2> For instance, why would these be different if they're logically the same thing? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7357737

16:47 <godd2> Wouldn't the bsearch just care if true or false was returned from the block?

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16:48 <godd2> oh nvm, its not returning true. I'm dumb

16:48 <DouweM> godd2: those are ot the same though

16:48 <DouweM> yeah, the former returns false or nil

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16:50 <godd2> lol I was pullin my hair out there for a second

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16:52 <vasilakisFiL> hi! not so relevant question: while I was searching for job adverts (just to check what skills are needed) in some known sites I noticed that there are many advertisements published not by the companies but by some 3rd party recruitments.. are these adverds valid or just spams? I mean there are A LOT out there..

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16:55 <godd2> Shouldn't this one return 0 ? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7357898

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16:55 <godd2> Why would it return nil if 0 is less than 3

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16:56 <Hanmac> godd2 Array has a bsearch method too

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16:57 <DouweM> godd2: read carefully: In find-minimum mode (this is a good choice for typical use case), the block must return true or false, and there must be a value x so that:

16:57 <DouweM> the block returns true for any value which is greater than or equal to i.

16:57 <DouweM> the block returns false for any value which is less than x, and

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16:58 <godd2> they don't have an x in the written example

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16:58 <godd2> That's one of the reasons I'm confused

16:58 <Hanmac> >> ary = [0, 4, 7, 10, 12]; ary.bsearch {|x| x < 3}

16:58 <eval-in_> Hanmac => nil (https://eval.in/62625)

16:58 <Hanmac> hmm

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16:59 <godd2> Yea shouldn't that return 0 also?

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17:00 <benzrf> does anybody else think that sections, currying, and composition would work well with ruby??

17:00 <Hanmac> >> ary = [0, 4, 7, 10, 12]; ary.bsearch {|x| x < 5}

17:00 <eval-in_> Hanmac => nil (https://eval.in/62627)

17:01 <benzrf> I keep wishing I can pass argument-taking &:foo for blocks

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17:01 <godd2> hanmac: I think I found the issue

17:01 <benzrf> >.>

17:01 <godd2> >> ary = [0, 4, 7, 10, 12]; ary.bsearch {|x| x < 8}

17:01 <eval-in_> godd2 => 0 (https://eval.in/62628)

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17:01 <godd2> It starts in the middle, like a binary search should

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17:02 <godd2> and it gives up since it assumes everything below that will be false too

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17:02 <Hanmac> hm what a fool

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17:03 <godd2> >> ary = [0, 4, 7, 10, 12]; ary.reverse.bsearch {|x| x < 5}

17:03 <eval-in_> godd2 => 4 (https://eval.in/62629)

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17:03 <benzrf> >> [1, 2, 3].last

17:03 <eval-in_> benzrf => 3 (https://eval.in/62630)

17:03 <benzrf> p:

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17:04 <benzrf> >> [1, 2, 3, 4, 5][0...3]

17:04 <eval-in_> benzrf => [1, 2, 3] (https://eval.in/62631)

17:04 <godd2> So I guess it has to be in order, non-decreasing and you have to compare using >=

17:04 <DouweM> godd2: which is all described here: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.0.0/Range.html#method-i-bsearch

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17:05 <godd2> It says the collection must be monotone, not non-decreasing

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17:06 <benzrf> why doesn't ruby have init/tai;

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17:06 <benzrf> *tail

17:06 <benzrf> i want more haskell in my ruby dammit

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17:06 <DouweM> godd2: fair enough

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17:07 <DouweM> >> [1,2,3,4,5][1..-1]

17:07 <eval-in_> DouweM => [2, 3, 4, 5] (https://eval.in/62632)

17:07 <benzrf> derp

17:07 <benzrf> i forgot ranges can use negatives

17:07 <benzrf> this despite me knowing python well

17:07 <benzrf> >.>

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17:07 <DouweM> Python's array[1,] is nice

17:07 <benzrf> you mean 1:

17:07 <DouweM> ehh yeah

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17:08 <godd2> benzrf: array[-1] means "the last element of the array" in this case, although yes, ranges can have negative numbers in general

17:08 <benzrf> in lookup brackets, foo:bar is a magic syntax thar returns a slice object

17:08 <benzrf> godd2: im aware :p

17:08 <DouweM> yeah, I remember. haven't written python in a long while

17:08 <benzrf> hm

17:08 <godd2> :D

17:08 <benzrf> ruby seems like a step in the right direction from python for mephux

17:08 <benzrf> *mr

17:08 <benzrf> ugh

17:08 <Hanmac> DouweM: other [] methods are also funny

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17:10 <Hanmac> >> "abcde"[/([bc])d/,1]

17:10 <eval-in_> Hanmac => "c" (https://eval.in/62634)

17:10 <Hanmac> >> :abc["b"]

17:10 <eval-in_> Hanmac => "b" (https://eval.in/62635)

17:10 <DouweM> wtf

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17:11 <Hanmac> >> 5[2]

17:11 <eval-in_> Hanmac => 1 (https://eval.in/62636)

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17:13 <DouweM> that one's pretty cool

17:14 <benzrf> hanmac: is that like a bit array

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17:14 <DouweM> yup

17:14 <benzrf> hanmac: does it count from the right or left

17:14 <Hanmac> yeah it is

17:14 <DouweM> right

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17:14 <benzrf> assumed so

17:14 <benzrf> o:

17:14 <DouweM> least significant bit, to be precise

17:14 <benzrf> can you specify a radix?

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17:15 <DouweM> that'd be neat, but not in #[]

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17:16 <benzrf> hm

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17:16 <DouweM> you should start a stuff-benzrf-misses gem

17:16 <benzrf> ha

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17:16 <benzrf> i just wish ruby's syntax were simpler and more consistent

17:16 <benzrf> basically I want ruby with a more python-like syntax

17:16 <benzrf> :B

17:17 <benzrf> and maybe some haskell semantics thrown in

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17:17 <DouweM> example of lack of consistency?

17:17 <benzrf> well, not inconsistency

17:17 <benzrf> but lots of special cases

17:17 <benzrf> for example, &:foo for blocks

17:17 <benzrf> nowhere else besides block arguments does it work

17:17 <benzrf> for that matter, blocks in general i guess?

17:17 <DouweM> & prefix is .to_proc suffix

17:18 <benzrf> hmm

17:18 <DouweM> blocks are syntactical sugar for explicit lambdas

17:18 <Hanmac> http://youtu.be/c-qNS2x0H2E << its at the Place where the Sun does not Shine ;D

17:18 <benzrf> ok, that's neat I guess :P

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17:18 <benzrf> but there's also things like specific operators as valid methods

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17:18 <benzrf> but not symbols in general

17:18 <Hanmac> DunweMdid you know obj.() is also sugar?

17:18 <benzrf> and things like obj.() yeah

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17:18 <benzrf> also id kinda like dunders on special methods

17:18 <DouweM> hanmac: not sure I follow

17:19 <benzrf> for exactly the reason __send__ exists

17:19 <jsaak> ruby is getting closer and closer to perl :)

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17:19 <benzrf> exactly

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17:19 <benzrf> I'd like a slightly less perlish ruby

17:19 <benzrf> :B

17:19 <Hanmac> DouweM: obj.() is sugar for obj.call

17:19 <Hanmac> it can be used for proc or Method objects

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17:20 <DouweM> hanmac: ah. I've only ever used #call, didn;t know #() existed

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17:20 <nonbitanobi> exit

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17:21 <jsaak> apropos do you know any solution to this: {new_style: 'hash', '$old_style' => 'hash' }

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17:21 <Hanmac> DouweM: i used it to add a Symbol#call method … so you can do: [1,2,3,4].map(&:to_s.(2)) #=> ["1","10","11","100"]

17:21 <jsaak> how to use new style when i have specail characters

17:21 <DouweM> hanmac: ooh, that's cool

17:21 <workmad3> hanmac: it should also allow &:to_s[2], shouldn't it?

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17:22 <Hanmac> >> :to_s[2]

17:22 <eval-in_> Hanmac => "_" (https://eval.in/62641)

17:22 <workmad3> or would that only be once it is a callable, not before? :)

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17:22 <workmad3> >> a = proc{"hi"}; a[]

17:22 <eval-in_> workmad3 => "hi" (https://eval.in/62642)

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17:23 <jsaak> >> {:'$special_key': 'error'}

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17:23 <eval-in_> jsaak => /tmp/execpad-6883e0d09e1f/source-6883e0d09e1f:2: syntax error, unexpected ':', expecting => ... (https://eval.in/62644)

17:23 <workmad3> >> a = proc{|a| "hi #{a}"}; a["hanmac"]

17:23 <eval-in_> workmad3 => "hi hanmac" (https://eval.in/62645)

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17:23 <Hanmac> workmad3: i mean you cant add Symbol#[] to mimic Proc#[] because Symbol#[] already exists

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17:23 <workmad3> hanmac: yeah, I realise that now :)

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17:24 <workmad3> hanmac: I was just checking I wasn't going insane that [] called a proc :)

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17:24 <DouweM> that :to_s.(2) trick is pretty darn cool though

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17:24 <DouweM> had never thought of that

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17:24 <Hanmac> workmad3: http://youtu.be/c-qNS2x0H2E << this is at the place where the sun does not shine

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17:24 <nobitanobi> guys, I have a question... If I want to print numbers from 1 to N, being able to access that number because if it is multiple of 3 I want to do something. Is there any more Ruby way of doing it than creating a for loop?

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17:25 <Hanmac> DouweM: that was only step one, step two was [1,2,3,4].map(&:to_s.(2).size) #=> [0,1,1,2]

17:25 <workmad3> >> 10.times {|i| puts "fizz" if (i%3).zero}

17:25 <eval-in_> workmad3 => undefined method `zero' for 0:Fixnum (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/62647)

17:25 <workmad3> >> 10.times {|i| puts "fizz" if (i%3).zero?}

17:25 <eval-in_> workmad3 => fizz ... (https://eval.in/62648)

17:25 <workmad3> nobitanobi: ^^ does that answer your question?

17:25 <nobitanobi> yes! times

17:25 <nobitanobi> I forgot about that one

17:25 <nobitanobi> :)

17:25 <workmad3> nobitanobi: also (1..10).each

17:25 <nobitanobi> oh

17:25 <nobitanobi> I was doing [1..10].each :P

17:25 <nobitanobi> thanks

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17:26 <workmad3> nobitanobi: [*1..10].each would work ;)

17:26 <Hanmac> workmad3: & nobitanobi there is also a flippflop system with Range inside a if

17:26 <nobitanobi> uh. what is that *

17:26 <workmad3> >> [*1..10]

17:26 <eval-in_> workmad3 => [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10] (https://eval.in/62649)

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17:26 <DouweM> hanmac: I'm curious as to the implementation

17:26 <workmad3> nobitanobi: splat operation, expands out array-like things into an argument list :)

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17:26 <nobitanobi> oh nice!

17:27 <nobitanobi> thanks guys

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17:27 <workmad3> hanmac: explain more?

17:27 <Hanmac> DouweM: there is also a third step: [[1,2,3],[1,3],[],[2]].map(&:any?.(&:even?)) #=> [true, false, false, true]

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17:28 <godd2> workmad3: FLip flop: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1111286/when-would-a-ruby-flip-flop-be-useful

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17:28 <CaptainJet> Correct me if I'm wrong but 10.times and (1..10).each wouldn't produce the same output would it?

17:29 <CaptainJet> #times starts at 0

17:29 <workmad3> godd2: ah, that one yeah

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17:29 <Hanmac> CaptainJet: yeah, same for 1.upto(10)

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17:29 <DouweM> hanmac: Symbol#call returns a custom object that responds to #to_proc (obviously) and intercepts any other calls to further specify its proc? like with the :to_s.(2).size example?

17:29 <godd2> >> (10.times) == ((1..10).each)

17:29 <eval-in_> godd2 => false (https://eval.in/62651)

17:29 <CaptainJet> So one of them would go 0 through 9, but the other 1 through 10

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17:30 <Hanmac> DouweM: gasp how do you know my magic trick? ;D https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/9076#note-9

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17:30 <DouweM> godd2: inequality doesn't mean they don't produce the same result

17:30 <DouweM> hanmac: :)

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17:31 <workmad3> equivalence != equality :)

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17:31 <DouweM> ^^

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17:32 <workmad3> e.g. 1/2 and 2/4 are different Rationals, but they're in the same equivalence class

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17:32 <workmad3> and they correspond to the same decimal expansion :)

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17:32 <CaptainJet> But they don't produce the same result in the case of 10.times and (1..10).each

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17:32 <workmad3> CaptainJet: there's that ;)

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17:32 <DouweM> CaptainJet: right. I was just pointing out godd2's faulty comparison

17:32 <workmad3> CaptainJet: 1.upto(10) and (1..10).each do :)

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17:33 <CaptainJet> Right

17:33 <workmad3> CaptainJet: or 0...10 ;)

17:33 <workmad3> and 10.times

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17:33 <CaptainJet> Of course, I was just pointing out the examples before wouldn't actually be the same

17:33 <CaptainJet> In reference to 10.times {|i| puts "fizz" if (i%3).zero?}

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17:34 <workmad3> programming channels... full of pedants

17:35 * Hanmac is more complex than rational

17:35 * workmad3 waits for a chance to be pedantic

17:35 <godd2> aww cmon workmad3, we're nice pedants

17:35 <workmad3> hanmac: I'm hyperreal!

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17:35 <godd2> So you're infinitessimal?

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17:37 <godd2> aww, workmad3 I gave you a chance to be pedantic and correct my misspelling of infinitesimal

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17:39 <Hanmac> my foots are ped-antic ,P

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17:54 <TorpedoSkyline> is RubyForge down for you guys?

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17:55 <DouweM> http://news.softpedia.com/news/RubyForge-org-Taken-Offline-After-Reportedly-Being-Hacked-397496.shtml

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17:57 <TorpedoSkyline> ah ok thanks DouweM

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18:04 <diegoviola> i'm really tired of dealing with a client, the client is very pushy, like "you need to do this task today", "i'm getting worried of your performance", "how's going" (type of questions every single day), honestly it's driving me nuts and i feel offended already, how do you deal with this issue?

18:05 <diegoviola> i'm all for being productive but i delivering as much as i can, but i never worked on his code before and i need some time to familiarize :(

18:05 <ShellFu> a cookie basket w/ lax

18:05 <ShellFu> keep them in the john

18:05 <CaptainJet> Give vague, easily repeatable answers

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18:05 <diegoviola> s/

18:05 <diegoviola> err

18:06 <diegoviola> s/but i/and/

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18:06 <diegoviola> ok thanks

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18:08 <CalimeroTeknik> how do I break in a case?

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18:09 <lethjakm1> is there a way to make an array like %w[] except have each string be per line?

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18:09 <ShellFu> like any good leather you want to condition it, and keep it in a cool dry place while the conditioner sits and soaks in the case leather.

18:09 <ShellFu> lol sorry im in a really off mood today :) ill stop

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18:11 <CaptainJet> lethjakm1, you could just make a regular string and use .each_line to get an Enumerable

18:11 <lethjakm1> CaptainJet: interesting. that's not a bad idea.

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18:21 <BuzzSawMcCaw> Hi

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18:21 <CaptainJet> Hello

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18:28 <matty432_> If you guys could choose to work for 40k a year working full time or working part time a year for 20k which would you prefer?

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18:28 <CaptainJet> What's the job?

18:28 <matty432_> web development

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18:28 <CaptainJet> part time

18:29 <ShellFu> They are gonna use that broad term to scope creep ya all the time lol

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18:39 <shevy> ericx2x depends on your aim. richer you may get full time work, part time may be better for doing hobbies or other things that interest you. and whether you love web dev work or not.

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18:44 <Morrolan> 40k for full time? Where are you from?

18:45 <prsn> Hi! Can I get some opinions about the use of 'and' to clearly delineate semantic clauses? Would you consider 'if blue and (wood || brick) && !metal and weight > 50' bad or good, and why?

18:46 <RubyPanther> part time is the good life

18:46 <Morrolan> Horrible, the mixture of and and && makes it hard to find out in which order the operations will be applied.

18:46 <Mon_Ouie> I think mixing in both of them like that in the same expression might be confusing

18:46 <sweeper_> verbal and is terribly

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18:46 <sweeper_> *terrible

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18:47 <prsn> sweeper_, can you elaborate?

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18:51 <RubyPanther> prsn: for one thing, you should only do one thing (or two if you're pushing it) in the if expression. But even inside the method, you should break it out into if blocks if you have more than 1 of each operator.

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18:52 <RubyPanther> in these cases, the golfed version isn't any less complex than the verbose version, so making it readable is "free"

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18:53 <platzhirsch> I start to get the hang of narrowing down memory leaks in Ruby MRI, working with ObjectSpace.count_objects works very well to monitor the heap... although it's still medieval, I wish there were better memory profiling facilities

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18:56 <shevy> cool

18:56 <shevy> never knew that method before

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18:56 <shevy> in irb I am doing pp ObjectSpace.count_objects

18:56 <shevy> especially the :T_ARRAY=>30693 counter is increased every time I do that :P

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18:57 <shevy> cool

18:57 <shevy> I just hit some kind of limit

18:57 <shevy> :T_ARRAY=>37053 + about 200

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18:58 <platzhirsch> currently, mainly strings are my problem or at least a hint for the leak. I also tried to count each class with ObjectSpace.each_object(Object) { |o| o.class }.group_by ... but, I think with too many objects this method will not terminate, as the heap grows during the execution of this statement

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19:07 <platzhirsch> There is still ruby-prof, but I haven't found a guide if possible at all, to patch a current Ruby version

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19:23 <benzrf> >> FalseClass.new

19:23 <eval-in_> benzrf => undefined method `new' for FalseClass:Class (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/62788)

19:23 <benzrf> >> FalseClass.is_a? Class

19:23 <eval-in_> benzrf => true (https://eval.in/62789)

19:24 <benzrf> how can you remove a method in a subclass?

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19:24 <Hanmac> with a sharp knife ;P

19:24 <benzrf> what i mean is

19:24 <benzrf> is that magic?

19:25 <benzrf> can you do that normally

19:25 <benzrf> is that a fake NoMethodError?

19:25 <Morrolan> It probably declares it as private.

19:25 <Morrolan> Though, hrm, then the error message would be different, I think.

19:25 <shevy> benzrf remove_method() is also available

19:25 <benzrf> >> class Foo; private; def bar; end; end; Foo.new.bar

19:25 <eval-in_> benzrf => private method `bar' called for #<Foo:0x41ebd048> (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/62794)

19:25 <benzrf> shevy: ah

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19:26 <shevy> private just restricts things a tiny bit, it's more like telling people how to use (or rather how not to use) an API

19:26 <benzrf> shevy: so a class gains its parents methods when it is created

19:26 <benzrf> and you can then remove it?

19:26 <shevy> I think so, it's probably a full clone

19:26 <benzrf> ok

19:26 <benzrf> so it's not like prototype chains etc

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19:26 <shevy> ruby is a bit like a mix between a class based and prototype based language

19:27 <shevy> just look at Struct.new

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19:27 <benzrf> yesbut

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19:28 <benzrf> ruby is really not prototype based

19:28 <benzrf> Struct is a simulation if anything

19:28 <shevy> >> Person = Struct.new(:name, :age); joe = Person.new('Joe',33)

19:28 <eval-in_> shevy => #<struct Person name="Joe", age=33> (https://eval.in/62802)

19:28 <benzrf> it's not the basic behavior

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19:28 <benzrf> looks exactly like namedtuple

19:28 <benzrf> except that namedtuple's implementation is probably 1000x more horrifying

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19:28 <shevy> what is named pimples

19:29 <benzrf> namedtuple is a python thing that is exactly like ruby Struct

19:29 <benzrf> except that it is implemented by *COMPILING INTERPOLATED STRINGS AT RUNTIME*

19:29 <benzrf> FOR NO APPARENT REASON I CAN SEE

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19:30 <shevy> how are you able to use ruby and python at the same time benzrf, it would confuse the hell outta me

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19:30 <benzrf> how am I not

19:30 <benzrf> :|

19:30 <benzrf> what is confusing about it ?

19:30 <shevy> the names alone!

19:30 <benzrf> ???

19:30 <shevy> namedpimples, lists vs. arrays

19:30 <shevy> DECORATORS

19:30 <benzrf> :p

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19:30 <benzrf> wait, does ruby have something called decorators

19:31 <shevy> I already forgot what python decorators do

19:31 <shevy> I think you can simulate it partially in ruby

19:31 <benzrf> @foo

19:31 <benzrf> def bar

19:31 <benzrf> is the same as

19:31 <benzrf> def bar

19:31 <benzrf> bar = foo(bar)

19:31 <shevy> hmm

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19:31 <shevy> sounds like an alias call

19:31 <Hanmac> benzrf: you mean like that? http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.0/libdoc/delegate/rdoc/Delegator.html

19:31 <benzrf> they can be used for wrapping functions & registering callbacks

19:31 <benzrf> hanmac: let me look

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19:32 <shevy> well there is one problem

19:32 <shevy> the python way is very short

19:32 <shevy> I think the ruby way is longer

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19:32 <benzrf> note that in python functions are variables, like in ruby

19:32 <benzrf> *js

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19:33 <benzrf> so 'def foo(x): return x + 1' is the same as 'foo = lambda x: x + 1'

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19:33 <benzrf> python's explicit returns and statement/expression distinction are probably my number one issue with it

19:33 <benzrf> >.>

19:33 <shevy> python would definitely confuse me

19:33 <benzrf> how so?

19:34 <benzrf> the semantics are quite simple

19:34 <shevy> it does things so strangely

19:34 <benzrf> i might even call them simpler than ruby

19:34 <benzrf> shevy: like what?

19:34 <shevy> for mice in cats:

19:34 <shevy> it's like pushing the brain to the other side, upside down

19:34 <benzrf> ??

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19:35 <shevy> mice.each is a lot easier to understand

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19:35 <benzrf> yeah ruby's blocks & ruby's everything-is-an-expr are probably like 60% of why i may like it better

19:35 <benzrf> shevy: wait what is 'for mice in cats'

19:35 <benzrf> why would you store mice in cats

19:35 <shevy> though I need to add the cat reference

19:35 <benzrf> do you mean 'for mouse in mice'

19:35 <shevy> because the cats ate mice

19:35 <shevy> all 9 of them

19:35 <Morrolan> benzrf: The mice don't choose to get stored in the cat, usually. :)

19:35 <shevy> so the cat has 9 lives

19:35 <benzrf> well

19:35 <apeiros> benzrf: for insanities in shevy

19:35 <benzrf> for mouse in cats == cats.each {|mouse|}

19:36 <apeiros> would be an alternative way to implement an infinite loop :-p

19:36 <benzrf> not that different :P

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19:36 <DouweM> apeiros: lol

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19:37 <Hanmac> benzrf: what about : for c in "str".each_char

19:37 <benzrf> i think u mean 'for char in str'

19:38 <benzrf> strings act kinda like immutable char lists in python

19:38 <benzrf> well i guess they are the same in ruby

19:38 <benzrf> ish

19:38 <Hanmac> no i meant this:

19:39 <Hanmac> >> for c in "str".each_char; p c; end

19:39 <eval-in_> Hanmac => "s" ... (https://eval.in/62824)

19:39 <benzrf> why would you do that?

19:39 <shevy> he always asks why!

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19:39 <Hanmac> i would not, but i iCan ;P

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19:39 <benzrf> ok

19:39 <shevy> well you did!

19:40 <benzrf> are you trying to demonstrate the superiority of timtowtdi

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19:40 <benzrf> :-D

19:40 <shevy> I think hanmac's main job is to file bug requests at the bug tracker

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19:40 <shevy> or rather, issues

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19:40 <shevy> hanmac shows the twisted ways

19:40 <DouweM> "bug requests". that'd be grand

19:40 <shevy> extreme pervert coding

19:40 <aces1up> can i do something like this to only create a class if something? like if true class Mylass end end

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19:40 <shevy> sure

19:41 <benzrf> aces1up: why not?

19:41 <apeiros> aces1up: class definitions are ordinary code

19:41 <aces1up> ok cool i dunno just asking.

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19:41 <aces1up> yeh thats what i thought.

19:41 * Hanmac is standing in a jiraiya-Pose

19:41 <aces1up> just wanted to make sure.

19:41 <aces1up> thanks.

19:41 <shevy> MyPony.new if have_enough_money?

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19:41 <apeiros> in our rails apps I have some conditionally defined methods

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19:42 <shevy> hanmac, do you think we should have both File.exist? and File.exists?

19:42 <apeiros> class Foo; if config.real_deal; def push_to_partner; …actually push data over the wire…; end; else def push_to_partner; …fake it…

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19:43 <benzrf> shevy: There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.

19:43 <benzrf> >:D

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19:43 <apeiros> that's rather unrealistic

19:43 <shevy> benzrf I am wondering about consistency

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19:43 <shevy> according to matz or rather what hanmac said matz said, File.exists? should not exist

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19:44 <Hanmac> shevy why not? we cant have to much methods ;P (except rails can have to much methods ;D)

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19:44 <DouweM> matz thinks predicate methods should always be in second person

19:44 <DouweM> ?

19:44 <DouweM> ehh

19:44 <DouweM> first person probablt ;P

19:44 <apeiros> DouweM: yes

19:44 <DouweM> got confused for a bit there

19:44 <apeiros> no

19:44 <apeiros> 2nd

19:44 <DouweM> either way, does he?

19:45 <apeiros> you talk to the object

19:45 <DouweM> ah right

19:45 <apeiros> "File, do you exist?"

19:45 <apeiros> -> File.exist?

19:45 <DouweM> yup, got confused again

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19:45 <apeiros> not my preferred style, and core/stdlib is inconsistent

19:45 <DouweM> yeah

19:45 <shevy> hehe

19:46 <benzrf> the problem with python's 'there is a right answer' philosophy is that I don't agree that GvR's answer is the right one

19:46 <benzrf> >:(

19:46 <Hanmac> "File, do you exist?" => "maybe"

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19:47 <shevy> benzrf well

19:47 <shevy> benzrf what if you replace GvR with community decisions

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19:47 <apeiros> benzrf: secretly replace GvR then!

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19:48 <platzhirsch> https://twitter.com/platzhirsch122/status/395270214016712704

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19:48 <platzhirsch> I on the File.exists? side

19:48 <shevy> what does this mean

19:48 <shevy> do you want to remove File.exist?

19:48 <platzhirsch> no

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19:49 <platzhirsch> But I would say, if you use File.exist? then YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG

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19:49 <shevy> right now because File.exists? exists, I use that one

19:49 <platzhirsch> ^^

19:50 <shevy> if File.exists? 'foo.yml'

19:50 <shevy> do_something

19:50 <shevy> else

19:50 <shevy> something_else

19:50 <shevy> # and here I omit end !!!

19:50 <DanBoy> << File.file?

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19:50 <shevy> hmm

19:50 <shevy> File.file? also makes an exist check?

19:50 <Hanmac> yo

19:50 <DanBoy> i believe so

19:51 <DanBoy> it makes sure its a regular file is i recall

19:51 <DanBoy> not like a character device

19:51 <DouweM> yeah

19:51 <shevy> see benzrf? that is the more than one way to do it philosophy... sometimes another way may be better

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19:52 <Hanmac> this device is a great device, because it has character ;p

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19:53 <DanBoy> File.stat

19:53 <DanBoy> and catch the exception maybe

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20:00 <nhmood> How do you include a module into a method if you define it using self.methodname as opposed to class << self?

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20:01 <shevy> perhaps you could use extend(NameOfModule)

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20:02 <nhmood> Ohh thats an interesting idea, didn't even think of that (silly)

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20:02 <nhmood> Is there a preference for when to use class << self vs self.methodname?

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20:03 <DouweM> I use `class << self` when I have more than one class method

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20:03 <DouweM> keeps the class and instance methods nicely separated

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20:04 <Hanmac> PS: and you need class << self when you want to call attr_accessor stuff as a class method

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20:09 <nhmood> Didnt know about the attr_accessor stuff, thanks for that

20:09 <nhmood> DouweM: that makes sense, I think i'll stick with that approach!

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20:20 <jblack> I wrote a sudoku solver in C++ a few years ago. I'm thinking about rewriting it in Ruby. I want to add two new features to this version: being able to scan a suduoku from an image and OCR'ing the image.

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20:21 <jblack> For the former, I'm thikning OpenCV's objdetect might work, and for the ocr'ing, possibly using ANN

20:21 <jblack> pardon, FANN

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20:21 <jblack> I'd be interseted in any useful advice

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20:27 <unholycrab> im trying to get a list of methods that i can use with a hash within the ERB template syntax

20:27 <unholycrab> i get undefined method when trying to use .length, .size, .delete

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20:30 <DouweM> unholycrab: you can use any method on anything from erb

20:30 <DouweM> unholycrab: so that's not the issue here. got some code samples?

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20:38 <unholycrab> DouweM: you just halped me solved the problem i was having. thanks

20:40 <ravster> hey all. I'm trying to open an .xls file in jruby, using jruby-poi. And I keep getting an error saying that inputstream isn't an OLE or OOXML stream. Should I be forcing the file to behave as an inputstream? If so, how do I do that?

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20:42 <Hanmac> shevy: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/9095

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20:43 <shevy> I hate this syntax

20:43 <shevy> hopefully a new language can replace ruby if it incorporates a lot of new syntax shit

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20:49 <platzhirsch> ravster: have you looked into the API, maybe there is an appropriate method giving you the right class you need, I had a similar issue, where I found a get_input_stream method while I was desperately trying to squash the object to an IO object

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20:58 <ravster> platzhirsch: will try that, thanks for the tip

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21:21 <aldodelgado> Question? I have two modules (A, B). I have A including B. However I want B to access a method from A. Is this possible?

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21:22 <DouweM> just call self.method_from_

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21:22 <DouweM> *method_from_a

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21:24 <aldodelgado> DouweM: NoMethodError Exception: undefined method

21:24 <DouweM> post some actual code

21:24 <aldodelgado> ok

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21:25 <aldodelgado> https://github.com/miamiruby/sportsdata/blob/master/lib/sportsdata/nfl.rb

21:25 <aldodelgado> https://github.com/miamiruby/sportsdata/blob/master/lib/sportsdata/request.rb

21:25 <aldodelgado> A is NFL and B is Request

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21:28 <aldodelgado> DouweM: What do you think?

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21:32 <godd2> hanmac: I wrote up a small blog post on that Array#bsearch behavior. Let mw know what you think: http://godd2.blogspot.com/2013/11/why-rubys-binary-search-is-meh-as-of.html

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21:32 <bricker`work> using pry-debugger, it seems "step" and "next" do the same thing. As I understand it, "step" should move FORWARD (next operation), and "next" should move DOWN (next operation in this scope), right? But both "next" and "step" just dig into the methods

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21:33 <bricker`work> or am I misunderstanding their use?

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21:34 <DouweM> bricker`work: I think step steps *into* the next method, while next merely jumps over it

21:34 <bricker`work> DouweM: that's what I mean (sorry for the terrible explanation)

21:34 <bricker`work> but "next" is also going into the next method when I try it. I wonder why.

21:35 <DouweM> ah right, I misunderstood

21:35 <DouweM> strange

21:35 <Valentinial> if i have rvm which has 1.9.3 installed and 2.0.0 installed . unicorn was present when 1.9.3 was there. i'm trying to upgrade to 2.0.0. unicorn throws an error cannot load such file unicorn/launcher. google says to uninstall gem if installed during 1.9.3 and reinstall, which i have done but nothing changes. am i doing it right? gem uninstall unicorn (while on 1.9.3) then gem install unicorn (while on 2.0.0)?

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21:36 <aldodelgado> Any suggestions?

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21:39 <bricker`work> DouweM: heh - https://github.com/nixme/pry-debugger/issues/34 :)

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21:39 <DouweM> aldodelgado: sorry, can't help. might be easier if you just use classes

21:39 <DouweM> bricker`work: :)

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21:40 <aldodelgado> Not really looking to use classes, but I'll keep that in the back of my head. Thanks

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21:41 <ua> guys, is anyone working on ruby VM working in a way that V8 is working?

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21:41 <DouweM> aldodelgado: I'm not completely sure how modules including or extending modules works when they want to call eachother's methods

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21:42 <aldodelgado> DouweM: Yea I'm having the same issue... lol But I want to understand them better. I'll just keep trying, till I have a better understanding of it :-)

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21:47 <flaccid_> ruby is always way too many ways to do something. is there a popular de facto way to parse xml. i just have yaml or json to convert to xml and need to puts it

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21:49 <apeiros> flaccid_: to parse xml use nokogiri

21:50 <apeiros> flaccid_: but what you describe is not parsing xml…

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21:50 <flaccid_> apeiros: woops yeah, sometimes i might actually parse xml but in this case my source will be json or yaml

21:50 <flaccid_> thanks apeiros nokogiri seems popular/de facto enough

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21:51 <flaccid_> i assume that can convert one of the sources to xml too?

21:51 * flaccid_ goes to read

21:52 <bricker`work> flaccid_: nokogiri isn't for JSON/YAML. Ruby has built-in parsers for those.

21:52 <flaccid_> bricker`work: yeah doens't seem to do it. i can just to_xml with stdlib ?

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21:55 <flaccid_> i need activesupport or xmlsimple?

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21:55 <bricker`work> flaccid_: no, ruby doesn't provide a to_xml method. ActiveSupport does, if you want to use that.

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21:56 <apeiros> flaccid_: a generic to_xml makes no sense

21:56 <flaccid_> ok so is that right option to do it? sorry i'm used to python where there is almost always 1 de facto way

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21:56 <bricker`work> flaccid_: activesupport is your best bet.

21:57 <apeiros> there's a thousand and two possible ways to convert a datastructure to xml.

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21:57 <flaccid_> apeiros: here lies the problem :)

21:57 <Hanmac> apeiros: bad that i didnt get Nokogiri parsing CSS code :/

21:57 <apeiros> flaccid_: use an xml builder

21:57 <apeiros> nokogiri comes with one

21:58 <flaccid_> i guess this will do the job then http://rubygems.org/gems/activesupport

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22:00 <flaccid_> thanks guys :)

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22:02 <platzhirsch> With p = Proc.new { |i| ... } can I pass the p variable to a method with a block expecting one variable? my_method &p does not work. Only works as: my_method { |i| p.call(i) }

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22:02 <DouweM> platzhirsch: try &p

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22:03 <platzhirsch> DouweM: my_method &p ?

22:03 <DouweM> ah damn, I misread

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22:03 <DouweM> yeah, that was what I was suggesting. doesn't work? hmm

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22:03 <laputa> hi, i'm using rvm , my ruby gem all under rvm. but when i try to uninstall a gem(bundler). it says "bundler is not installed in GEM_HOME".

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22:03 <platzhirsch> I think normally it works, because I tried it on def x; puts yield; end

22:04 <platzhirsch> there it works fine, get the method definition of Curl.get/post is different *dive into the source code*

22:04 <laputa> i've checked my GEM_HOME which is /home/denzel/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p247 also under the rvm

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22:04 <DouweM> platzhirsch: yeah, weird

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22:06 <platzhirsch> the method definition uses yield c if block_given? maybe block_given? works different here

22:06 <Hanmac> platzhirsch:

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22:06 <Hanmac> >> pr = Proc.new {|i| p i } ; [1,2,3].each(&pr)

22:06 <eval-in_> Hanmac => 1 ... (https://eval.in/62968)

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22:07 <DouweM> platzhirsch: nah, should be the same

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22:10 <platzhirsch> undefined method `&' for.. hm

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22:11 <DouweM> hehe that could be it

22:11 <laputa> hi, anyone knows why it says "gem is not installed in GEM_HOME" when i wanna uninstall a gem under rvm. i've checked my GEM_HOME , it's under .rvm

22:11 <platzhirsch> it evaluated the method and returns the object

22:11 <DouweM> you'll need parentheses

22:11 <DouweM> my_meyhod(&proc)

22:11 <DouweM> otherwise it'll think you want my_method.&(proc)

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22:12 <platzhirsch> the same error actually Curl.get(url, parameter, settings).&settings

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22:13 <platzhirsch> oh

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22:13 <DouweM> if you want to pass a proc as a block, it needs to be the last param

22:13 <DouweM> with & in front, within the parentheses

22:13 <platzhirsch> okay now I messed up everythign ^^

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22:13 <platzhirsch> method(a, b, &c)? I thought I have been there

22:14 <DouweM> that looks about right

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22:14 <platzhirsch> apparently, I haven't, now it works

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22:14 <platzhirsch> Guess I have mixed up all the variations I tried at some point, thanks for helping out :)

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22:16 <shevy> let's make ruby the fastest scripting language out there

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22:17 <alpha123> shevy: That would actually be really cool, as I use it for scripting my window manager (i3) a lot and there's a noticeable delay for some things. :/

22:18 <shevy> yeah

22:18 <shevy> I wanted to write a replacement in ruby for bash or zsh but file listing of like 5000 files in pure ruby is so much slower than in bash

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22:18 <shevy> hmm

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22:18 <shevy> i3 is not ion right?

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22:20 <alpha123> shevy: No, it's kind of like wmii, if you've used that.

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22:20 <ShellFu> i3 is pretty darn cool. I still cant let go of fluxbox though. Have way to much customized :|, but I do use i3 from time to time.

22:20 <alpha123> ShellFu: I got addicted to i3 pretty quickly, before I put too much effort into openbox

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22:21 <platzhirsch> so, making Ruby faster... maybe it's easier to purge all other scripting languages?

22:21 <ShellFu> openbox is decent. I hate the xml configs vs clean K=V but its still a good wm

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22:22 <ShellFu> my opinion on arguing over speed of interpreted languages is moot. it will never match compiled. and people should use the language that suits the task. Not the flavor of the month

22:22 <shevy> platzhirsch stifling competition is outside our control. but making ruby faster could be done. I wonder what the biggest bottlenecks are. perhaps we could throw out some things out of the language too

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22:25 <platzhirsch> I wanted to say disable GC, but below 8 MB the GC is not active anyway I think

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22:35 <benzrf> >> self

22:35 <eval-in_> benzrf => main (https://eval.in/63018)

22:35 <benzrf> >> self.class

22:35 <eval-in_> benzrf => Object (https://eval.in/63019)

22:35 <benzrf> how do your defs end up in Kernel?

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22:36 <benzrf> also, how do they end up in all objects

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22:37 <ericx2x> Would my client be mad if I started working fulltime without letting him know?

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22:38 <DouweM> ericx2x: clients are known to be very understanding

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22:38 <ericx2x> DouweM: What makes you say this?

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22:39 <DouweM> experience, with a hint of sarcasm

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22:39 <ericx2x> Well, I just recently started working full time and I still haven't let him know except he has caught on

22:39 <ericx2x> since I couldnt make a phone call with him today

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22:40 <ericx2x> I'm wondering how I should handle the situation now.

22:40 <DouweM> are you able to finish the job on the terms you agreed to?

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22:40 <ericx2x> Yes

22:41 <ericx2x> but before I would have time during the day to take calls for issues

22:41 <ericx2x> Now my day is taken up by my full time job.

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22:42 <DouweM> right. it would probably have been best to let him know about calls during the day, but you haven't done anything wrong per se if you'll still be able to finish the job

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22:42 <ericx2x> Well, I can certainly finish this job.

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22:43 <ericx2x> Future jobs I'm not so sure

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22:43 <ericx2x> But of course I would let my client know if I think I could or couldn't complete a job

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22:44 <DouweM> is this a client you've worked with earlier? in that case it would actually have been appropriate to let him know you wouldn't be able to take on any new jobs, and to help him find a new developer

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22:44 <DouweM> it's not too late for that, of course

22:44 <ericx2x> Yea

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22:44 <ericx2x> I was afraid that I may not get this full time opportunity

22:44 <DouweM> but if you have a relationship with this client, you should probably have let him know

22:45 <ericx2x> Yes, I do have a relationship with the client

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22:47 <ericx2x> I feel I should have let him known sooner I just was afraid this current opportunity might have failed so I didn't want to let my client know in the situation that I never got this current job

22:47 <ericx2x> I suppose now that I have this current job I can work with him

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22:47 <ericx2x> Although I would love to work both jobs but I'm not sure if that is possible.

22:47 <DouweM> yeah that makes sense, but it would have been better if he found out from you personally rather than having to figure it out himself through missed calls

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22:49 <ericx2x> Thanks for the insight DouweM

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22:50 <DouweM> np

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22:52 <hotpancakes> Hi, noob here. Is there any appreciable difference in defining a class method as self.method vs Class.method? Thanks!

22:52 <hotpancakes> ...other than the fact that you'd have to rename these methods if the class name changed

22:52 <workmad3> hotpancakes: nope

22:52 <workmad3> hotpancakes: there's no difference at all

22:53 <workmad3> hotpancakes: other than minor maintainability :)

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22:53 <workmad3> hotpancakes: self == YourClass inside the class definition ;)

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22:53 <hotpancakes> workmad3: Thanks! That's what I suspected, but you can never be too certain of anything when you're just learning, right?

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22:54 <workmad3> hotpancakes: the great thing with ruby is that you can frequently check these things ;)

22:54 <workmad3> hotpancakes: stick a 'puts self' inside a class definition, outside of any method definitions

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22:55 <hotpancakes> ...and that works really well :)

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22:56 <benzrf> >> class Foo; puts self; end

22:56 <eval-in_> benzrf => Foo ... (https://eval.in/63077)

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22:57 <workmad3> hotpancakes: btw, that should give you an idea of how you can define class methods without being in the class definition block ;)

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22:58 <hotpancakes> workmad3: gotcha ;)

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22:58 <DouweM> and don't think you're limited to classes here, you can define arbitrary methods on arbitrary objects with the `def obj.meth` syntax

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22:58 <workmad3> DouweM: well, that's just the same syntax ;)

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22:58 <workmad3> >> class Foo; end; Foo.is_a?(Object)

22:58 <eval-in_> workmad3 => true (https://eval.in/63078)

22:58 <DouweM> workmad3: which is my point

22:59 <hotpancakes> workmad3: so 'puts self' in irb is pretty handy. any way to easily accomplish something similar within the code of a rails app?

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23:00 <workmad3> hotpancakes: sure... do the same thing

23:00 <workmad3> hotpancakes: or Rails.logger.info(self)

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23:00 <workmad3> err, Rails.logger.info(self.inspect)

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23:00 <DouweM> puts self will work there too, it'll end up in your server process logs. Rails.logger.info will end up in logs/development.log

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23:01 <workmad3> DouweM: 'puts self' won't end up in server process logs, unless you're using something like runit that redirects stdout to a log file

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23:01 <DouweM> I mean what you'll see in the output of the actual server command. puma and unicorn don't show Rails's app logs in their output, where webrick does

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23:02 <DouweM> puts won't end up in your development.log, Rails.logger.info won't always end up in the server process's output

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23:02 <DouweM> Sorry if I was a bit unclear

23:02 <workmad3> :)

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23:03 <phinfonet> Hello

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23:04 <hotpancakes> so if I have a private method within a User class, that self is scoped to User as well?

23:05 <hotpancakes> *assuming that self is used within the private method, obviously

23:05 <phinfonet> i'm having a trouble with rubygems

23:05 <phinfonet> can anyone help-me?

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23:05 <DouweM> hotpancakes: within instance methods, self is the instance

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23:06 <hotpancakes> phinfonet: not sure how much help I can be, but shoot :)

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23:06 <phinfonet> i'm receiving this error: 67674 illegal hardware instruction gem install #{gem}

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23:07 <phinfonet> but i'm not sure if is exactly on ruby gems, or a dependecy

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23:08 <hotpancakes> phinfonet: hmm, relatively new myself. can't say I know the answer. :(

23:08 <hotpancakes> DouweM: ah, kapish

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23:09 <phinfonet> i was "googled" a bit, but no results ://

23:09 <phinfonet> i received it in 2.0.0-p247 and 2.0.0-p195

23:10 <workmad3> phinfonet: can you add all the command(s) you ran and the full error output to a gist on http://gist.github.com please

23:10 <workmad3> ?

23:10 <hotpancakes> DouweM: is it just me, or do others also find it somewhat confusing when creating so many abstractions, especially in the context of rails?

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23:10 <phinfonet> workmad3: it is the full error, and i just use "gem install rails"

23:10 <DouweM> hotpancakes: example?

23:10 <hotpancakes> DouweM: not necessarily related to my previous question...

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23:11 <DouweM> hotpancakes: :) I'm curious what you're thinking of when you say "so many abstractions"

23:11 <DouweM> hotpancakes: not that you're not onto something

23:11 <workmad3> phinfonet: hmm... I'd suggest asking in #rubygems then... and chances are they'll want details on your OS distro and what versions you're running :)

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23:11 <phinfonet> workmad3: thanks, i'll ask...

23:12 <phinfonet> i guess it might be a OSX problem

23:12 <hotpancakes> DouweM: well, I should say using many of the "free" methods provided within rails, alongside those methods of other gems, alongside of your own...

23:12 <workmad3> phinfonet: many peeps (myself included) are fine on os x

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23:13 <workmad3> phinfonet: but it could be something that still needs shaking out on mavericks if you've updated :)

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23:13 <DouweM> hotpancakes: yeah, it can get a bit messy and overwhelming when you're new to it all

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23:13 <phinfonet> yep, i'm on mavericks... on ML this works fine

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23:13 <workmad3> phinfonet: which is another question - did you upgrade to mavericks, and did you have ruby installed before the upgrade?

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23:14 <workmad3> and did you reinstall after the upgrade? :)

23:14 <phinfonet> workmad3: i've done a clean install

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23:14 <workmad3> ok :)

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23:14 <workmad3> worth checking ;)

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23:14 <hotpancakes> DouweM: it may sound silly, but it feels like there's quite the mental tax by keeping it all "up there"

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23:15 <workmad3> hotpancakes: it gets easier

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23:16 <volty> off topic question for fine mans on fine os x: what do you suggest for sharing a printer connected to a linux host, http cups, ipp or samba?

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23:17 <hotpancakes> workmad3: yep, I guess much of it distills down to recognizing which things one should memorize, and which things one should look up as necessary.

23:17 <workmad3> volty: whichever one you can get setup quickest? :P

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23:17 <volty> workmad3: smart! :P

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23:18 <workmad3> volty: and with that smart (ass) comment, I'm off to bed :)

23:18 <volty> gn, thx :)

23:18 <DouweM> hotpancakes: don't try to memorize anything from the get go, eventually things you look up a lot will settle themselves in your memory

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23:19 <andrew2123> Hey where do you guys find clients?

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23:19 <andrew2123> Do you guys mainly have clients that you have a longterm relationship with or clients that you do one time work for?

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23:21 <volty> on the bazaar, approach nice ladies, smile and tell them that you are an expert in ruby

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23:27 <agent_white> So why does (128.0%5) return 3 instead of 6?

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23:28 <DouweM> because 25*5 == 125 and 128-125 == 3 ?

23:28 <canton7> because 128 = 25 * 5 + 3

23:28 <deegen> Becase that's what it's supposed to be?

23:29 <volty> because the mantissa of the number is within trolling interval

23:29 <agent_white> I must be misunderstanding modulator

23:29 <shevy> Because my family jewels are larger than yours!

23:29 <agent_white> Haha no trolling, I am a new programmer :)

23:29 <DouweM> agent_white: you must be

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23:29 <shevy> agent_white just break it down

23:29 <agent_white> 128/5 = 25.6

23:30 <shevy> >> 6.0 % 2

23:30 <eval-in_> shevy => 0.0 (https://eval.in/63108)

23:30 <DouweM> ever heard of remainder?

23:30 <shevy> >> 7.0 % 2

23:30 <eval-in_> shevy => 1.0 (https://eval.in/63109)

23:30 <agent_white> But 128.divmod(5) is [25,3] ?

23:30 <volty> shevy's nice: because my uncle is a boxer :)

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23:30 <canton7> the modulo operator gives the remainder. so '128 % 5' means "multiple 5 by the largest number you can, such that the result is still less than 128. what remains"?

23:30 <shevy> agent_white eh

23:30 <shevy> >> 128/5

23:30 <eval-in_> shevy => 25 (https://eval.in/63110)

23:30 <shevy> agent_white see this is 25, not 25.6

23:30 <shevy> >> 128.0/5

23:30 <eval-in_> shevy => 25.6 (https://eval.in/63111)

23:31 <agent_white> 25.6

23:31 <shevy> now it is 25.6

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23:31 <DouweM> 128%5 means: how many times does 5 fit into 128, and how much still remains

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23:31 <agent_white> 5 goes into 128 5 times with .6 remaining?

23:31 <agent_white> 25 times*

23:31 <shevy> >> 128 % 5

23:31 <eval-in_> shevy => 3 (https://eval.in/63112)

23:31 <agent_white> So 3 is the product of 0.6 and what?

23:32 <shevy> where from do you get the .6

23:32 <canton7> did you do long division at school?

23:32 <DouweM> this must be a trool

23:32 <DouweM> *troll

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23:32 <shevy> no, he can not calculate in his head

23:32 <agent_white> From a regular calculator 128/5

23:32 <shevy> yes

23:32 <shevy> did I not show you the result before

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23:32 <shevy> >> 128/5

23:32 <eval-in_> shevy => 25 (https://eval.in/63113)

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23:32 <shevy> ruby gives you 25 here.

23:33 <shevy> for same result as calculator, just treat one as float

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23:33 <shevy> >> 128/5.0

23:33 <eval-in_> shevy => 25.6 (https://eval.in/63114)

23:33 <shevy> >> 128.0/5

23:33 <eval-in_> shevy => 25.6 (https://eval.in/63115)

23:33 <canton7> i'm not convinced that throwing integer vs floating-point division into the mix is helping things

23:33 <shevy> or both if you want to be excessive

23:33 <agent_white> shevy: Thank you for the help

23:33 <shevy> >> 128.0/5.0

23:33 <eval-in_> shevy => 25.6 (https://eval.in/63116)

23:34 <DouweM> canton7: yeah

23:34 <canton7> let's talk fractions. 5/3 is 1 and 2/3. make sense?

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23:34 <shevy> but most people will use only one as float as ruby will default to yield float results if at least one is provided as float

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23:34 <DouweM> shevy: right, but if he has problems with remainder, that might be a bit too much too fast

23:34 <canton7> yes floating-point vs integer division is useful to know, but it's not the question right now

23:34 <shevy> yes

23:35 <shevy> my goal is not to help newcomers, I want to overflow their brains and make them explode that way ;)

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23:35 <agent_white> shevy: Thank you for the help again, I appreciate it.

23:35 <platzhirsch> evil

23:35 <DouweM> shevy: haha, that's your plan against eternal september?

23:35 <shevy> agent_white don't take #ruby too seriously :D

23:35 <agent_white> I think sometimes I trip myself up on small things.

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23:36 <volty> 0.6 * 5

23:36 <shevy> agent_white that happens to everyone, when I stare at a problem for a longer while and can not find a solution, my brain becomes worse

23:36 <shevy> and then I really become very dumb

23:36 <agent_white> shevy: That just means it's coffee time ;)

23:36 <shevy> yeah

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23:36 <shevy> but it's like an addiction... your brain does not want to give up

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23:36 <Apane> how do you write a square method with a lambda?

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23:37 <shevy> hmm

23:37 <agent_white> Haha, that happened to me recently writing my first Ruby Socket :)

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23:37 <shevy> wow

23:37 <shevy> that is advanced

23:37 <shevy> till this day I dont understand sockets

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23:37 <agent_white> Find a use for em :)

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23:38 <agent_white> I hate git post-hooks, but I like them sending a POST when I update a repo

23:38 <agent_white> So I decided to have my server eat the POST req. and do the update itself :)

23:38 <volty> if you do not understand sockets you should try to implement them -- very abstract

23:38 <shevy> I think I used one in my irc bot once

23:39 <Apane> hey guys, how do you write a square method using a lambda?

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23:39 <canton7> Apane, square_method = ->(x){ x ** 2 }

23:39 <shevy> ack

23:39 <shevy> that looks ugly

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23:39 <Apane> canton7, thanks and is that using a lambda?

23:39 <canton7> yup

23:39 <DouweM> `->` is pointy lambda syntax, yeah

23:39 <canton7> as is square_method = lambda{ |x| x ** 2}

23:39 <shevy> but it works

23:39 <canton7> (if you prefer that syntax)

23:39 <shevy> >> proc = ->(x){ x ** 2 }; proc.call 3

23:39 <eval-in_> shevy => 9 (https://eval.in/63129)

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23:40 <Apane> ah great, thanks canton7

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23:40 <shevy> I prefer lambda {}

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23:40 <shevy> who prefers the ->

23:40 <banisterfiend> shevy i do :P

23:40 <canton7> yeah, the arrow syntax is backwards imo. C# has x => x * x, which is much nicer

23:40 <banisterfiend> i think it looks slicker

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23:40 <banisterfiend> agree

23:41 <banisterfiend> coffee script does it nicer

23:41 <banisterfiend> (than ruby)

23:41 <DouweM> it does

23:41 <canton7> "x goes to x times x" not "goes to x block x times x"

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23:50 <Apane> what do you guys think of this code: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5a854fdf9b04fe8941c6

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23:52 <banisterfiend> Apane fine :)

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23:52 <Apane> banisterfiend, ty

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23:53 <phinfonet> workmad3: no answer ://

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