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<shevy> guys, you need to write more and better ruby code
<shevy> according to TIOBE ruby is only ranked 18 now
<diegoviola> "omg ruby is dying!!!11"
<jhass> shevy: stop it, else I will write a plugin for the new channel bot that kicks you whenever you say TIOBE
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<shevy> there must be a reason for this decline
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<a5i> Hey, be grateful
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<a5i> everyone who codes in Go hates TIOBE
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<a5i> ranked 40 I believe
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> are there big software projects written in Go?
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<eam> shevy: yeah
<diegoviola> what's so special about Go? I don't get the hype
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<shevy> diegoviola what do you use Go for?
<diegoviola> shevy: I don't
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<shevy> well I guess many don't
<shevy> so rank 40 is deserved!
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<woop> hi - got a rails app I inherited that uses rspec for tests
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<woop> I can't seem to run any tests because there are databases configured that I cannot access
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<woop> is there any way I can just tell rspec that a test just *will not touch the db*?
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<jhass> woop: Please do not crosspost without at least telling so. Experience shows that people don't bother to inform the other channels of provided solutions, therefore it is considered rude.
<shevy> how are the attr_reader() methods created, are they a part of the Kernel module?
<shevy> I am contemplating trying to create a similar (new) method
<shevy> not sure where to add it
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<woop> sorry about that
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<woop> so there isn't a way you're aware of to just tell rspec to ignore the database for a spec?
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<woop> waited at least long enough to realize nobody was going to answer in #RoR
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<jhass> I'm not aware of any and I wouldn't bother and just setup the db
<woop> there's a stupid number of external databases that the app depends on that I'd like to just drop altogether
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<jhass> well, actually long enough is 3-6 hours in IRC time, granted #RubyOnRails is an active channel, so maybe 1-2
<woop> eh...
<woop> my experience in there is that it's not really that useful for tech stuff... just social chats
<woop> maybe I just need to be less of an asshole
* woop shrugs
<jhass> in inactive channels I have seen response times of up to 24 hours
<woop> true, but that's an active one where I've actually never had an actual answer
<woop> just a few interesting chats
<jhass> 15 minutes is nothing
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<woop> true
<woop> hell
<jhass> anyway
<woop> I'm still lurking the devise channel waiting for responses
<woop> and the rspec channel
<jhass> db connection happens on initialization, so this has actually nothing to do with rspec I'd say
<woop> I'm just commenting out the models' dependencies on those databases that are making rspec choke
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<woop> and looking for someone to kick the people responsible in the shins
<jhass> shevy: Module i think?
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> ack
<shevy> Module is a class?!
<shevy> I don't think I have ever done Module.new so far ...
<shevy> >> p Module.new
<eval-in_> shevy => #<Module:0x408643f0> ... (https://eval.in/308147)
<woop> go ahead
<woop> monkey-patch Module
<woop> :D
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<shevy> I call it god-patching
<shevy> then again the monkey king was like a god right? his kung-fu was vastly superior
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<SirFunk> Does anyone know any good articles talking about monolithgs vs multiple frontends + api vs microservices?
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<SirFunk> more-so from a high level infrastructure/design standpoint rather than implementation
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<DeathCode> hello :)
<sandelius> hi
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<sevenseacat> good afternoon
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<DeathCode> hey sandelius and sevenseacat
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<adaedra> Hi
<sandelius> MongoDB 3 is really great. Yeah I said it!
<adaedra> ok
<sevenseacat> uh oh
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<DeathCode> why do you guys hate java so much
<DeathCode> java got you all shook
<DeathCode> cause there aint no such thing as a halfway crook
<sevenseacat> huh?
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<adaedra> that.is.not.the.chan.topic.
<DeathCode> oh my little cousin wrote that
<DeathCode> sorry about that
<sevenseacat> of course.
<adaedra> bien sûr.
<sevenseacat> i wait to see what your dog will come up with next.
<DeathCode> cause i told him yall hate java. and i showed him some eminem songs
<DeathCode> sevenseacat:he ate my homework
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<adaedra> and his ethernet cable, too
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<wasamasa> lol
<wasamasa> I seem to keep missing this guy
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* apeiros wonders what's wrong with deathcode
<wasamasa> DeathCode is what happens to you if you snort Java
<adaedra> :|
<apeiros> lol
<apeiros> maybe a patient troll…
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<adaedra> I don’t know, but he sure knows how to be annoying
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<sevenseacat> apeiros: !tips
<helpa> apeiros: Just the tips: http://logs.ryanbigg.com/tips
<sevenseacat> there.
<apeiros> aaah, thanks sevenseacat
<sevenseacat> and that is up to date :)
<apeiros> excellent
<sevenseacat> theres a lot of shit in there
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<apeiros> yes, yes, that's why I don't do a straight import :)
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<Casey> Do you guys think ruby on rails is good for long term devleoping
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<Deathcode> hey guys. can i ask a small offtopic question?
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<apeiros> Deathcode: isn't that what you're doing non-stop anyway?
<Deathcode> wtfff
<Deathcode> dude do u hate me?
<apeiros> I don't hate you, but I do find you rather annoying.
<Deathcode> okay. rude.
<apeiros> you asked
<Deathcode> ye
<Deathcode> still rude
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<apeiros> no
<Deathcode> ye well kinda
<Deathcode> i mean annoying is kind of an insult
<apeiros> not even kinda.
<Deathcode> is it a huge insult?
<apeiros> dude, your concept of insult is quite strange
<Deathcode> what do u mean?
<Deathcode> and how do you even know if i'm a dude lol
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<apeiros> look, if you don't like the answer, don't ask.
<Deathcode> what answer? the annoying one?
<Deathcode> ye its ok lol i get that a lot irl too
<hectortrope> Fist they laugh then they reaise then they are inspired
<hectortrope> first*
<apeiros> maybe take a hint Deathcode
<Deathcode> what hint?
<Deathcode> hectortrope:what you talking about
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<hectortrope> Deathcode: read clearly
<Deathcode> ye cause your spelling was perfect
<Deathcode> why dont u write clearly
<apeiros> anyway, off-topic again already. I'm not going to continue this.
<Deathcode> but u started it tho
<Deathcode> u could had just said no
<Deathcode> lol
<hectortrope> first they laugh at noobs then they realise noobs are not noobs anymore then they are inspired of them for their achievements :-)
<Deathcode> who? me?
<apeiros> Deathcode: if you have a ruby related question, ask it. else go into a chit-chat channel.
<Deathcode> I'm not laughing at any noobs. I am the noobs
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<Deathcode> noob*
<hectortrope> I am head of all noobs here.
<hectortrope> All Noobs can complaint to me :-)
<Deathcode> hectortrope:i'm such a noob, i can't even be the head of all noobs, because i'm too noob to even be that
<Deathcode> honestly, you guys just hate me cause i'm good at java
<adaedra> « <Deathcode> why dont u write clearly » – the irony
<hectortrope> Deathcode: go to java channel
<adaedra> I think most of us here don’t give a f*ck about your java skills, actually
<Deathcode> adaedra:well at least you can understand. that sentence had a lot of bad grammar and spelling on there
<hectortrope> Deathcode: /JOIN # java
<Deathcode> hectortrope:yeah they are too boring. plus i'm learning ruby now
<Deathcode> so i come to this channel for help
<adaedra> Which is ok
<adaedra> But don’t come with your questionning about Java here
<hectortrope> Deathcode: Java = so many Jobs ruby = only few jobs
<Deathcode> no i wasnt talking about java when i said off topic question
<Deathcode> i promise that wasnt my intention
<Deathcode> hectortrope ...?
<jhass> Deathcode: stop the meta-bullshit
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<jhass> ask your question or shut up
<Deathcode> well damn...
<adaedra> If you had a question about something that fits ruby, do ask, stop arguing because you can’t take criticism from someone
<Deathcode> so much drama
<Deathcode> what criticism
<Deathcode> i was agreeing lmao
<Deathcode> go read up
<Deathcode> what?
<Deathcode> anyway my question was
<Deathcode> i want to use ruby to parse a webpage to get music data from there like music album name, artist etc
<Deathcode> can ruby be used to parse html?
<adaedra> yes, you have libraries for that
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<adaedra> nokogiri is the most known
<Deathcode> like something that will look at the html and return the music artist name and stuff off of the html and put it as a string and give it to me
<adaedra> it will parse the html
<sandelius> Deathcode Nokiri allows you to "query" the document
<jhass> Deathcode: research nokogiri, css, xpath
<adaedra> you’ll have to navigate through the DOM
<grug> hectortrope: he's banned from ##Java :P
<Deathcode> ah i see
<jhass> Deathcode: all terms that will give you tons of resources on google
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<Deathcode> yeah im trying to implement a music database type thing on ruby
<Deathcode> for a practice and also to give to my friend
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<Deathcode> is there a super accurate music database that you guys know of? (that was my offtopic question)
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<Deathcode> that will put the artist name and music title separately, cause i looked everywhere
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<Deathcode> and like, i want the html parsing to parse at one line specifically for every search
<Deathcode> is there a line locator thing on html parsing?
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<adaedra> You know, if you want a music database, you may want to look for one that has a separate API
<adaedra> so you don’t have to parse HTML at all
<adaedra> and don’t risk breaking site rules
<Deathcode> ahhh
<Deathcode> good advice. i like that :)
<Deathcode> thank u
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<adaedra> I’m adaedra, not u
<apeiros> grug: I wonder, do we have more patience than ##java or did they just join there earlier…
<adaedra> apeiros: we’re nicer. :)
<Deathcode> oh god. the self-flattery
<Deathcode> but ye u guys are nicer
<Deathcode> lol
<Deathcode> i'd be lying if i said otherwise
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<jhass> Deathcode: if you want to extend your time here though, maybe consider if the message you just wrote is really necessary before pressing enter, each time
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<Deathcode> ah ok
<ponga> i unpacked ruby-2.2.1.tar and looked into \bin , which one is ruby.exec ?
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<apeiros> ponga: the source does not contain an executable. you compile it from the source.
<ponga> apeiros: thanks so that's how it worked
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<adaedra> ponga: windows?
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<ponga> i need to package ruby too
<jhass> package it for what?
<ponga> adaedra: yeah im trying to zip my ruby code, ruby source, and a .bat file to run the code from ruby
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<ponga> jhass: its a small helping script for Classic RPG session among koreans
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<ponga> and im looking for a way to have it run on windows
<apeiros> _1_chopi: hello and welcome to the ruby programming language channel
<adaedra> ponga: ruby does have installers on windows
<jhass> _1_chopi: !whatschat
<helpa> _1_chopi: Please remove this app, it's crap
<ponga> adaedra: i know but im trying to have it in single folder without forcing all my friend to install ruby
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<adaedra> ponga: if you’re good with batch, you can achieve something
<adaedra> iirc, there are zip versions of windows’ ruby
<ponga> ther is?
<ponga> thanks
<adaedra> look on ruby installer website
<apeiros> ponga: see one-click-installer
<ponga> i found zip
<ponga> tganks
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<adaedra> good bye
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<ponga> apeiros: thank you
<ponga> i included zip version and my script , and added a txt saying "please drag and drop code.rb to ruby.exe"
<ponga> simple as that!
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<nyuszika7h> hi, why can't I access a class within a module in irb / pry? http://dpaste.com/0DJ99ZW
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<nyuszika7h> if I remove the module and put the class directly in the file, it works
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<nyuszika7h> then I can access "Cow" from the REPL
<nyuszika7h> oh, never mind.
<nyuszika7h> it's Moo::Cow
<nyuszika7h> it has been a while since I played with Ruby :P
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<apeiros> was just about to say :) glad you figured yourself nyuszika7h
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<hectortrope> Hi guys I have a doubt does ruby the hardway book by zed shaw realkly good??
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<Elite6809> what?
<jhass> hectortrope: the style is fine if you can cope for it, the ruby is largely unidiomatic though, IMO
<jhass> at least by todays standards
<hectortrope> U mean u ike that ook or no?? Atleast for learning dsl
<hectortrope> domain specific language of ruby that book enough?
<jhass> that question doesn't make too much sense
<jhass> stat by learning what a DSL is
<hectortrope> U answer something with sense plz
<jhass> apeiros: mh, u is not free as a nick either I guess, sad
<hectortrope> ruby and dsl ruby so different?
<apeiros> jhass: too bad
<jhass> hectortrope: again, that question contains assertions that are wrong
<yh> Elite6809: it came across silly as hell but I'm quite sure you understood. Postel's Law
<jhass> learn what a DSL is and what the two major types of DSLs are
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<apeiros> yh: postel's law is IMO one of the biggest mistake one can make in API design
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<yh> apeiros: go on..
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<apeiros> a) the complexity of your API increases geometrically, b) the expectation on what your API will accept go up, making changes much more difficult
<apeiros> and in human interaction, if you don't feed back how input is understood, it'll lead to frustration, à la "what? why does it do that? that's not what I meant".
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<hectortrope> ok jhass
<yh> apeiros: good case
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<shevy> apeiros: nyuszika7h "figured himself", or did he "figure it out himself"? :-)
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<apeiros> shevy: themselves?
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<shevy> hehe
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<shevy> how things get a different meaning when words are omitted!
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<ackpacket> Maybe I'm trying to be too clever but.. I'm trying to add a value to a text field ONLY if an object exists. Is this proper: =text_field_tag "description", @course.description if @course
<ackpacket> Problem is, it seems like the if statement is elliminating the entire line if there's no @course
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<jhass> ackpacket: Activesupport has a handy try method
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<ackpacket> jhass: ty
<ackpacket> that looks great actually
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<jhass> oh
<jhass> ackpacket: Please do not crosspost without at least telling so. Experience shows that people don't bother to inform the other channels of provided solutions, therefore it is considered rude.
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<ackpacket> Fair enough
<ackpacket> I'll keep that in mind
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<shevy> it makes people so angry!
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<shevy> jhass do you still use sublime?
<jhass> yeah
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<jhass> it just has too good utf-8 support shevy
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<jhass> if you want to try it make sure to use ST3 btw
<shevy> hmm
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<jhass> yup
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<wasamasa> jhass: compared to what?
<jhass> wasamasa: what shevy uses
<shevy> hey!
<wasamasa> I cannot fathom what shevy could possibly use that its utf-8 support is inferiour compared to ST3
<shevy> bluefish 1.x!
<jhass> ^
<wasamasa> lol
<adaedra> bsd 4.2’s vi
<wasamasa> it's been years since I touched that thing
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<wasamasa> like, ten years?
<shevy> yeah
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<shevy> the ironic part is that the bluefish 2.x branch is inferior to 1.x :\
<wasamasa> back when knoppix was all the rage
<shevy> knoppix was cool, I think it popularized the idea of linux live-cd/live-dvd in the german-speaking area of the world
<shevy> then there also was kanotix!
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<shevy> which gave rise to sidux...
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<shevy> I'll have to abandon bluefish one day
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<shevy> jhass you use UTF-8 consistently for your source code files?
<jhass> of course
<jhass> and I don't stop there
<apeiros> utf-8 all the things!
<shevy> what does that mean
<shevy> what else could be UTF-8
<jhass> this message for example
<shevy> oh I see
<jhass> all my website output
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<jhass> all my regular non-source code docs
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<jhass> besides "western point of view on CJK" and "yes, that one byte makes a difference", there's no reason to use another encoding for anything
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<hectortrope> Python vs ruby I find ruby very easy what u guys say?
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<adaedra> u
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<ytti> i wonder what are the expected results for this query :)
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<hectortrope> what u adaedra
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<ytti> confirmation bias would be quite strong here
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<ytti> from my POV, with pypi/rpython, you get significant performance benefit over ruby. And for some scientfic/engineering domains, python has stronger ecosystem
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<ytti> from fun of writing code POV, I think ruby takes the cake, but I readily admit I'm biased
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<yh> ytti: ask PHP vs Ruby in ##php - I think that outcome would pretty much meet the gold standard of scientific proof of confirmation bias ;-)
<ytti> hah
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<shevy> hectortrope ruby is rather complex, especially if you compare the code written by different people
<shevy> one might use "def foo(bar)", the other guy "def foo bar"
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<yh> I generally try to avoid metaprogramming as much as possible, except for small bits
<shevy> one might use -> and another guy might use lambda
<hectortrope> shevy u mean ruby complex than python??
<yh> hectortrope's world is apparently very simple
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<adaedra> shevy: def foo bar is frowned upon
<shevy> hectortrope yeah
<shevy> adaedra havenwood does it :-)
<adaedra> yuck
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<shevy> he is the top ruby coder of #ruby! except that he is not connected right now
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<shevy> hectortrope it follows from easily being able to do more than one thing. for instance, omit parens. use of alias. @ivars vs. @class vars vs. CONSTANTS to store data
<shevy> with the name constant being the funniest name
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<shevy> for something that can change willy nilly
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<hectortrope> shevy We can't do everything with python but can do anything with ruby??? When comes to system applications lie metasploit was written on ruby and no such software on python?
<shevy> I am quite sure you can do everything in python too
<adaedra> you can do same things in python and ruby
<shevy> I don't know what metasploit is good for but I am sure you can easily duplicate its functionality in python
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<hectortrope> shevy ok
<hectortrope> Thanks
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<netroby> Ruby is the best language in the world.
<netroby> That's right?
<shevy> :)
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<shevy> ruby is about 85% perfect
<netroby> But why it is slow?
<jhass> netroby: where is it slow?
<shevy> it's in the same league with other scripting languages
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<jhass> and compared to what, yeah
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<shevy> so where is the benchmark
<shevy> you linked to an overview, not to a particular benchmark
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<djellemah_> netroby: ruby has stong encapsulation, so everything's a method call. And where a method lives can change at runtime. So there are many optimisations that a JIT can't do.
<jhass> and how does it apply to your actual application
<djellemah_> *strong
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<hectortrope> netroby: compard topython ruby is fast but compared to c and c++ it's damn slow :-(
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<netroby> @djellemah_ thanks, so can we make ruby faster?
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<jhass> netroby: where's your actual bottleneck?
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<jhass> what's your real world usecase that Ruby is too slow for?
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<netroby> webapps.
<adaedra> ok
<netroby> Parallel request , then ruby slow and slow
<jhass> how did you benchmark that?
<ytti> 14:50 < adaedra> shevy: def foo bar is frowned upon
<chrisseaton> djellemah_: I'd disagree with that - what optimisations do you think a JIT cannot apply to Ruby? You can still inline Ruby methods, even if they can be monkey patched
<ytti> i rock seattle hard
<ytti> () only when parser needs them
<ytti> () is for classicists
* ytti hides
<shevy> :)
<jhass> ytti: ^5
<djellemah_> chrisseaton: headius wrote an interesting article a year or three back about object 'shape'
<shevy> jhass are you a def-paren man or are you def-parenless?
<jhass> I'm def parenless in my own projects
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<ytti> only exception where is use () when parser does not need it, is regexp
<ytti> because one of my vim modules coplains about it :)
<ytti> and i think it looks wicked ugly i use () there
<ytti> foo.match(/bar/) versus foo.match /bar/
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<ytti> i don't know why syntastic complaisn about former
<ytti> 'ruby -c' oes not
<djellemah_> netroby: use processes with fork. JRuby and Rubinius both have no GIL.
<jhass> ytti: it's potentially ambiguous to the / operator, same for &foo
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<chrisseaton> djellemah_: I think since then we've proved Charles wrong on some of those points - for example I wrote a paper on object shape in Ruby http://www.chrisseaton.com/rubytruffle/pppj14-om/pppj14-om.pdf
<djellemah_> chrisseaton: Oh, cool. I'll read it.
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<netroby> Hum, i will take a try
<netroby> Thanks.
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<anil_> hi I completed 10 chapters in learn ruby the hard way so Can I think I knew few basics of ruby atleast?
<hectortrope> nope
<hectortrope> It's not very good book
<adaedra> anil_: now do some projects in ruby
<adaedra> it’s by using it that you’ll know if you are good
<hectortrope> he completed only 10 chapters of zed shawbook
<anil_> hectortrope: yes
<anil_> only 10
<anil_> adaedra: where can i find projecyts?
<adaedra> I don’t know this book and it’s not the subject
<adaedra> anil_: be crative
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<hectortrope> anil_ finish the book man :-(
<adaedra> creative
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<anil_> hector
<anil_> adaedar ??
<hectortrope> what?/
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<hectortrope> anil_ why u want to learn ruby??
<ralku> I think the book's quite okay... but start doing some stuff with ruby. It'll come naturally. That's the great thing about ruby!
<anil_> to learn ruby on rails
<anil_> ralku: any idea?
<anil_> regarding any project
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<adaedra> hectortrope: why not? don’t stop him
<hectortrope> anil_: start with chef if interested in infrastructure management
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<hectortrope> or ruby on rails
<adaedra> anil_: find a subject, anything
<ralku> anil_ just have a look at some Github projects! There are a lot around! Try to understand what they're doing. You'll have to look up a lot of stuff, but in the end it'll be like reading natural writing. It's the best thing bout ruby for me.
<anil_> what is chef?
<hectortrope> anil_ When i asked first time they askmed me to google hahaha so i want to say same I am rude
<ralku> hectortrope come on...
<anil_> i dont want to learn that chef
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<ralku> anil_ Well like I said! Have a look at some simple Ruby on Rails projects on Github! There are a lot around! You'll find interesting stuff :) That's how I did it...
<jhass> hectortrope: shut up or you're gone
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<hectortrope> I see that zed shaw book 10 chapters in that means he just learned onlyprinting pout piuts and variables that's it
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<hectortrope> jhass?
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<hectortrope> what?
<jhass> you're not helpful
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<hectortrope> I am helping him
<jhass> see channel rules
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<hectortrope> I am telling him better way to learn I asked him to finish entire book so he can learn better and not like me :-(
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<jhass> you can do that politely
<hectortrope> anil_ where r u?
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<hectortrope> jhass see my chat first
<jhass> "In my experience it's better to first.. "
<jhass> I did read it
<jhass> I just made suggestion how you would have better phrased that
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<hectortrope> tyen why ur blaming me
<hectortrope> ?
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<jhass> because you're being inpolite
<jhass> violating channel rule 1.1
<hectortrope> jhass dude Even i ask question so i am no way impolite
<hectortrope> I am polite and first one to help him I think he is gone
<jhass> there's no point to argue with those topics
<jhass> that will only get you kicked faster
<hectortrope> jhass :-(
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<kaleido> is there a good gem for generating email?
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<ytti> i guess people would want to hear what net/smtp is lacking, to point to correct direction
<jhass> kaleido: sending mail or generating the message body?
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<kaleido> crafting an entire email
<anil_> hi
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<jhass> wb
<kaleido> pony looks pretty simple and complete, curious what other's opinions were
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<anil_> Hi can someone help me? Hwre can i find projects
<wasamasa> github
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<jhass> anil_: my general recommendation is to find a task in your daily life that you can (partially) automate using Ruby
<wasamasa> it originaly started out as a place for hosting ruby gems
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<anil_> jhass: automate??
<jhass> yeah
<hectortrope> anil_ learn rails
<anil_> hectortrope: thank you
<anil_> jhass: automate means?.
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<anil_> hectortrope: I am learning ruby just to learn rails but i want to become perfect in ruby can u plz help?
<jhass> anil_: like maybe you regularly check something on a bunch of websites, could aggregate and display that if it's simple enough data
<hectortrope> anil_: sorry I am anoob too
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<jhass> oh, don't strive for perfection, that takes at least 10 years :P
<anil_> jhass: it seems ur so high level programmer I am very beginner
<jhass> anil_: well, think about your life, nothing technical you do regularly?
<jhass> anil_: like calculating something or so?
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<anil_> any one know cards game? I want to build such game is it possible?
<jhass> sure
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<anil_> hectortrope:
<hectortrope> what?
<anil_> jhass:
<anil_> <anil_> any one know cards game? I want to build such game is it possible?
<anil_> ahmetkapikiran: i want want to learn from another source
<jhass> <jhass> sure
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<anil_> jhass: u know cards? Indian rummy?
<jhass> I know a couple of card games, that one I don't
<anil_> I want to build website like that
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<anil_> for that I want to learn ruby on rails so now i started ruby
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<ahmetkapikiran> anil_: First learn Ruby. See later game mechanism…
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<adaedra> meta-question: do you know where I can get help about SQL?
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<hectortrope> adaedra: may be 3mysql
<jhass> /alis * -topic *sql*
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<hectortrope> #mysql or #postgresql
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<adaedra> jhass: yeah, didn’t want to crawl though list of all topics :/
<adaedra> thanks for the input
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<jhass> heh, it's only like 40 :P
<Wamboo> What do you Rubyists think about Crystal?
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<apeiros> I think crystal goes to FAQ soon…
<jhass> there's actually a #sql apparently
<jhass> apeiros: :D
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<Nilium> jhass: This is where people go to argue over mysql vs postgres
<apeiros> Nilium: that's where opinions go die?
<jhass> Nilium: *shrug* never been there
<adaedra> ahah
<apeiros> +to
* Nilium shrugs since he's never been there.
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<Nilium> I just assume that any general SQL discussion devolves into DBMS favoritism
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<Nilium> btw postgres is better
<adaedra> no mssql
<hectortrope> Nilium: but most use mysql
<adaedra> /s
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<apeiros> they are all wrong!
<jhass> now Wambo is gone over all that pesky SQL talk :(
<Nilium> hectortrope: How many that use MySQL are using existing software that was built by someone inexperienced who picked wordpress or something else?
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<hectortrope> rails vs django rails win mysql vs postgress msql win because of most number of users :-)
<jhass> #ruby-de is about Ruby and Go, can't we make this about Ruby and Crystal? :P
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<apeiros> and if you insist on using mysql, at least use maria
<Nilium> Or Percona.
<apeiros> mysql is in the clutches of evil oracle
<adaedra> No, use /dev/null DB
<wasamasa> apeiros: well, even with mariadb I wouldn't want to use it
<hectortrope> Nilium: i don't kow but check the statistics :0
<jhass> adaedra: yeah, mknod makes it easy to scale
<apeiros> wasamasa: sure. me neither. just saying. I prefer pg by a long shot.
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<adaedra> statistics means nothing about how good is software
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<adaedra> stastictics would probably make choice of java or php
* adaedra shrugs
<Nilium> hectortrope: The whole appeal to numbers thing makes zero sense
<wasamasa> the video I've linked demonstrates how sucky the mysql type system is
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<Nilium> If half the population stares into the sun and goes blind for it, is staring into the sun and going blind a good thing?
<wasamasa> which is a pretty important thing to get right for a database if you plan on relying on the data you've shoved into it
<hectortrope> Nilium: I believe better the quality most the quantity
<hectortrope> However i like postgress
<hectortrope> coz heroku uses it
<Nilium> I believe that people choose what they remember, and most people learn about MySQL before anything else, which would help to explain why it's now in place without considering other options
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<hectortrope> Nilium: today internet changed people they try all
<Nilium> It's not that MySQL is technically better in certain cases, it's that they already know the name and it's the thing they pick as a result.
<hectortrope> they choose best
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<Nilium> I think you're way too optimistic about that.
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<hectortrope> Ok Guys goota go bye
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<adaedra> :)
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<jhass> jeez, that guy
<jhass> I'm not sure how he ever got hired...
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<wasamasa> "Trust me, I'm an engineer!"
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<apeiros> jhass: I'm not sure about which of all those today you are speaking…
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<jhass> well, anil_ I still give the benefit of doubt realizing that their imaginations are still off
<jhass> hectortrope is actually employed as devops or something
<adaedra> The IT has many jobs to give
<wasamasa> language barrier is also a thing
<adaedra> true
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<apeiros> jhass: IME devops are often not strong programmers. doesn't follow from that, that they're bad at devops, though.
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<jhass> he's unable to infer from an existing chef cookbook what it's doing...
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<jhass> and doesn't want to ask in #chef about it because his colleagues could see it
<jhass> so he asked here
<apeiros> oh well, yeah
<wasamasa> lol
<wasamasa> reminds me that I should write a script to check for colleagues on my freenode channels
<apeiros> but you don't want to know how often I meet that kind of mindset in my professional environment (luckily not at my employer - but at "partner" companies we work with…)
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<apeiros> it's one lesson I had to learn as a professional - most people utterly suck at admitting even such small things as ignorance. they prefer to tell plain bullshit. sometimes they'll carry on even when pointed out.
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<jhass> well, I asked him straight if he lied during his interview and then why he gets assigned tasks outside his job description if he didn't
<jhass> didn't have much of a straight answer to that
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<adaedra> ah, knowing when you are wrong and being able to admit it
<adaedra> very hard.
<apeiros> and that's the lesson I learned when interviewing job applicants - our world is choke full of pretenders and wannabes.
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<wasamasa> must be job interviews prefering people who sell themselves well
<apeiros> sometimes I wasn't even sure whether they've been delusional or just lying with a straight face.
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<apeiros> wasamasa: I'll consult you next time we put up a job ad :)
<jhass> anyway, so maybe that's make it clearer why I have less patience with him than with anil_
<adaedra> I’m totally unable to sell myself well :(
<wasamasa> apeiros: nah, consult tptacek instead
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<apeiros> no idea who that is :-/
<wasamasa> apeiros: he's one of the few who did more than just going all "WOE IS ME" over the state of affairs
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<apeiros> wasamasa: the interview was not our issue. our issue was getting the right people to show up for an interview.
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<apeiros> I think the interview itself did an excellent job at removing (to us) useless people.
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<apeiros> the one question which did the most for us was "show us some work (any language) which you're proud of". and we let them explain us what they did, why they're proud of it, what they learned.
<wasamasa> apeiros: hmm, reminds of how my company preselected people for the job interview
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<wasamasa> apeiros: they asked them to solve a simple, one-hour task at home and send them their solution in their prefered language
<wasamasa> apeiros: that was surprisingly effective
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<wasamasa> though, it was pretty sad to see how many people didn't send in any code, copy-pasted it, sent broken code or code doing something totally different
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<wasamasa> the interviews then filtered out the ones that didn't feel like they'd fit
<wasamasa> and that was it basically
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<apeiros> hm, maybe I'll push for adding such a pre-screening too. it's cheaper to read a bit of code than having an interview.
<apeiros> also less taxing
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<wasamasa> tptacek advises making the job attractive, helping the candidates beforehand if necessary and letting them perform work samples
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<wasamasa> if I were still interested in itsec and not averse to migrating to the USA, I'd love working at their place
<wasamasa> but I'm not
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<adaedra> ew USA
<sevenseacat> shun <_<
<wasamasa> for the record, he's the guy behind the matasano crypto challenges
<kaleido> nothing wrong with the US, you just have to live in the right parts
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<jhass> dunno, I wouldn't want to take anything electronical across the borders for starters
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<apeiros> kaleido: if you have to live in the right part (and be the right kind of people), then something is wrong with the country.
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<apeiros> and personally, US of A is even off my list of countries for holidays.
<adaedra> ^
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<adaedra> Canada, on the other hand…
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<programmerq> a place as large as the US is bound to get concentrations of unfriendly folks.
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<kaleido> no doubt
<kaleido> its not like europe where driving for 5 hours puts you in 4 different countries
<programmerq> though, I wouldn't mind living in the Netherlands for a while.
<kaleido> and its not like europe doesnt have unsavory places
<kaleido> like france or the UK, for example
<apeiros> I think it's somewhat delusional to think it's just some places which happen to have a concentration of unfriendlies.
<apeiros> and nobody said europe was problem free.
<programmerq> or new zealand
<adaedra> kaleido: eh ! :(
<kaleido> ;)
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<kaleido> US is like any other place in the world. it just depends what youre looking for. you wouldnt go to amsterdam and be offended by the prostitution, you know?
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<adaedra> no, actually, I’m thinking about quitting this country
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<kaleido> and you wouldnt go to NYC and e upset when the Avengers destroy half the city fighting off an alien invasion
<kaleido> just sayin
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<jhass> I do have the impression that the denial of problems is higher because "we're the best county in the world!" in the average population
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<adaedra> ugh.
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<apeiros> kaleido: dunno, I'd be offended by racism in every place.
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<apeiros> by cops shooting unarmed people, children even. or ever taken a look at incarceration rates? I have a hard time to believe that american population is so much more criminal than other countries'
<apeiros> but we're veering towards #politics
<adaedra> it’s funny, because we’re going to these kind of things in France too
<kaleido> except the cops are running from kids with guns in france
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<adaedra> depends where
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<adaedra> (going in meeting, see ya)
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<willharrison> I was wondering if when testing, I should test the valid? method then mock out self.valid? on init and n= https://gist.github.com/willharrison/b27123825479b509efdb
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<anil_> Hello gurus
<anil_> I am not understanding this http://learnrubythehardway.org/book/ex13.html
<anil_> plz elp me
<anil_> 'what is that rgv?/
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<anil_> hectortrope jhass
<anil_> adriancb:
<willharrison> anil_ argv?
<anil_> yes willharrison
<willharrison> it's commands from the command line
<anil_> yes I use windows powersheell
<willharrison> example: program.rb param1 param2 param3
<anil_> till ex 12 I comleted and no doubts but ex 13 very confusing
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<anil_> Yes why like that willharrison
<anil_> ??
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<willharrison> why like what?
<willharrison> i don't think I understand your question anil_ :/
<jhass> willharrison: I'd say valid? is a private method and as far as the public API is concerned part of n=
<anil_> till now program.rb but here prog.rb + param etc
<willharrison> anil_ it's just used if you want to make a command line app
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<willharrison> for the most part
<jhass> willharrison: at least in the current version it makes no sense as a public instance method
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<anil_> jhass: what??
<willharrison> jhass ah ok
<anil_> willharrison: I am not understanding
<willharrison> anil_ it's like ls -a
<willharrison> ls is the program and -a is the param1
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<anil_> willharrison: I use windows
<willharrison> ipconfig /n ?
<willharrison> or something?
<willharrison> I don't know windows commands
<anil_> argv concept impoertant?
<jhass> quite
<willharrison> if you want to make command line apps
<anil_> jhass: can u help me with simple answer?
<willharrison> anil_ it's like gem install
<anil_> willharrison: what command line? powershell?
<jhass> not sure, I find that chapter to be pretty clear
<willharrison> install is the param1
<jhass> did you run through it yet?
<anil_> Yes getting same results but i am not understanding
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<willharrison> anil_ you should get cygwin or some other shell emulator
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<jhass> anil_: what are you not understanding about it?
<anil_> willharrison: till now I run "ruby prog.rb" but from here on should I use "ruby prog.rb param1 param2 and param3"??
<jhass> did you try to play around? change how you invoke your script and see how it affects the output?
<jhass> !try
<helpa> Why don't you try it and find out for yourself?
<anil_> jhass: and willharrison My question is I don't want to use prog.rb param1 param 2 I simply want to type prog.rb
<jhass> experimentation helps a lot in understanding these topics
<jhass> why?
<anil_> ??
<willharrison> anil_ using argv makes your program more user friendly
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<jhass> and bye
<willharrison> oh well
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<jhass> willharrison: btw .split('') -> .chars
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<jhass> and:
<willharrison> oh, I don't need the map to_i?
<jhass> >> "abc123" =~ /\d/
<eval-in_> jhass => 3 (https://eval.in/308361)
<jhass> you still need the map I guess
<jhass> .split('') is just better written as .chars
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<willharrison> ahh, I misunderstood
<willharrison> I used the !~ because I saw a stack overflow answer that said it was more efficient
<jhass> mh I guess your regex actually works, damn double negation :P
<willharrison> I don't understand how
<livcd> i know this does not belong here but anybody knows how to make a codekit work with rails ?
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<jhass> willharrison: I'd go for =~ /\D/ then
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<jhass> says "if matches any non-number" instead of "if matches not any number"
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<jhass> or something like that, dunno, I would find it clearer
<willharrison> yeah, I thought about that
<jhass> more direct
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<willharrison> but !~ /\d/ read easier to me
<willharrison> I read it as 'if not a number'
<jhass> mh, I generalized that in my thinking too far I guess
<jhass> I read it as "matches any number, not that"
<willharrison> I see, I might change it later
<jhass> if that makes sense
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<willharrison> yeah, it makes sense
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<willharrison> just curious but are there any good vim plugins for ruby?
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<kaleido> any current vim should do syntax highlighting properly for ruby
<kaleido> at least in ubuntu-land
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<willharrison> kaleido syntax highlighting is good
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<willharrison> was wondering about like navigation and rails stuff I guess
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<kaleido> github has vim-ruby
<kaleido> might be what youre lookin for
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<waxjar> xmpfilter i think it's called is nice, can evaluate (parts) of your file
<waxjar> i think ruby tapas has a free episode on it
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<willharrison> ooo, that looks nice
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<jhass> nextgen of that is called seeing-is-believing
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<anil> Hi guyz ruby ex13.rb hi hiii hiii'h give >
<anil> why?
<anil> Hello
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<waxjar> wow
<anil> when I type ruby prog.rb para1 param2 param"3
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<anil> waxjar: what??
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<anil> when I put any ' or '' on parameter for argv concept it open >
<anil> why?/
<anil> hello jhass
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<jhass> anil: can you try to rephrase your question into a single well constructed sentence please?
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<anil> jhass:
<anil> check that plz
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<jhass> and now?
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<anil> when I put how're in third param it open shell like >
<anil> willharrison: i don't want to become hacker
<anil> i just want to learn ruby
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<waxjar> my guess is it's your shell, try escaping the quotes.
<anil> I want to use quotes
<waxjar> yes, try escaping them
<willharrison> anil \"
<crowell> require 'shellwords', then use Shellwords.shellescape
<anil> willharrison: Thanks it works i forgot that
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<anil> willharrison: why u gave that link?
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<anil> u wrote that?/ But i dont want to become hacker
<waxjar> it's a link on how to ask a question. your question was bad.
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<anil> oops
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<anil> ok ok
<willharrison> anil I didn't write it but when I was 15 I had someone bitch me out online because of my english, just passing it on
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<willharrison> it helps to learn it well
<willharrison> english that is
<anil> ok thankz
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<willharrison> if I want to be able to call KaraInt.new("5") and it return the value of KaraInt#n instead of the reference of the KaraInt object, what should I do? https://gist.github.com/willharrison/b27123825479b509efdb
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<jhass> you would overwrite def self.new
<jhass> however, that's a rather bad idea :)
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<willharrison> oh, lol
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<willharrison> is there a way to get around having to create an instance then access n?
<willharrison> maybe KaraInt("5") ?
<willharrison> that isn't a bad idea
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<jhass> the convention for both, new and a method named after a class is to return an instance of that class though
<jhass> so both would be unexpected
<willharrison> ah, ok
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<jhass> def self.convert(n); new(n).n; end; could be a compromise, though even there I'd say it's more expected to return a KaraInt
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<pagios> has anyone tried using the amazong ruby gem?
<djellemah> willharrison: also, self.n= already calls valid?, so you don't need to do that first in initialize
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<willharrison> jhass actually I don't need to do that, nvm
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<willharrison> djellemah good catch, thanks
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<pagios> i would like to know the methods that are exposed in ruby gem like here: http://docs.aws.amazon.com/sdkforruby/api/index.html how do we know that an s3.list_objects exist? where is thgat documentated i cant read it in the api
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<pagios> jhass: can you help?
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<jhass> a general way i rubydoc.info/gems/<name>
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<jhass> or loading it into pry and using ls, ? and $
<pagios> jhass: i cant understand this http://docs.aws.amazon.com/sdkforruby/api/index.html
<pagios> how do we use SNS for example with that
<pagios> hard to read..
<djellemah> willharrison: it looks to me that you're not clear on what you want to do with KaraInt. Maybe if you thought about it from that point of view, the internals would be clearer? eg...
<pagios> jhass: like they are using s3 = Aws::S3::Client.new i want to use SNS what would be the format for example
<willharrison> djellemah what do you mean?
<djellemah> What code would you use to call it: maybe 'KaraInt.new("5").valid?'
<willharrison> KaraInt is just an object that can take very large numbers and add and subtract them
<djellemah> willharrison: Oh, right.
<willharrison> just KaraInt.new("5")
<jhass> pagios: seriously, try harder
<jhass> the class has an example
<pagios> ok i saw it
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<pagios> from the drop down menu
<djellemah> willharrison: something like a = KaraInt.new('4543204387205743259423'); b = KaraInt.new('4543204387205743259423'); a + b
<willharrison> djellemah yeah, like that. https://github.com/willharrison/karatsuba-ruby is the full, current, code
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<willharrison> djellemah my bad, didn't push. it's up to date now
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<djellemah> I'm assuming you know about Bignum?
<willharrison> I didn't
<willharrison> how large can the numbers be?
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<willharrison> I need possibly hundreds of digits
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<djellemah> willharrison: um, not sure exactly. Really big.
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<jhass> Oh, this isn't some coding challenge? :D
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<willharrison> ah I might should have used that, but I'm too deep in and I am enjoying it anyways lol
<willharrison> jhass nah, this is a project for class
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<djellemah> willharrison: OK, that's a good reason ;-)
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<jhass> eh, then it doesn't hurt, yeah ;)
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<jhass> just do Bignum for real world stuff :)
<djellemah> Yup, will be much faster.
<djellemah> But I guess rolling your own will be a nice way to learn about operators and coerce.
<willharrison> yeah, I will if I ever need something like this again
<willharrison> yeah, this is teaching me a lot about ruby
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<djellemah> Bottom line is you don't really want to get n out, you want to define operator methods on KaraInt.
<djellemah> That makes more sense in an OO language.
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<willharrison> I have been thinking I might just get rid of reader :n and possibly n= too
<willharrison> cause I don't really need to ever access n
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<djellemah> that's a good start
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<djellemah> take a look at the docs for Bignum just to see what methods you need to define.
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<willharrison> will do
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<djellemah> willharrison: Oh, and just for fun: digits = (0..9).to_a; Array.new(1000){|i| digits.sample}.join.to_i
<willharrison> ah damn, nice
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<jhass> (rand(((10**999)..(10**1000)-1))
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<djellemah> jhass: that would be faster
<jhass> ;)
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<woop> no joke, receive is th ehardest word I've had to write while coding
<woop> all these spec files
<woop> all these chances to miss that i before e
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<shevy> is it receive or recieve
<shevy> well, I think so far I wrote "def intialize" twice, and it took me a while to find out why things were not working
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<pagios> i installed aws-sdk but when i do a require 'aws-sdk' i am getting a No such file or directory - aws-sdk
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<pagios> works now
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<shevy> those problems are the best
<shevy> they go away without anyone else having to help!
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<milesmatthias> I released a ruby gem recently and am open to feedback / PRs if anyone is interested. It's a client for the SynapsePay.com API -- https://github.com/milesmatthias/synapse_client rubygems.org/gems/synapse_client
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<Senjai> Good day ruby
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<jhass> milesmatthias: https://github.com/milesmatthias/synapse_client/blob/master/lib/synapse_client.rb#L31 the return keyword is not necessary, I'd also favor string interpolation: "#{url}/"
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<jhass> I'd favor ternary for setting base_api_url
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<Sou|cutter> milesmatthias: I prefer having configuration specific to an instance of a client rather than global.
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<milesmatthias> Sou|cutter: I've seen that method too. I attempted to mirror my gem after Stripe's and that's how they do it.
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<milesmatthias> jhass: thanks :)
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<atmosx> hello
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<jhass> milesmatthias: got distracted with something, "#{string} interpolation" instead of string + "concatenation" seems to be a general pattern ;)
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<jhass> I'd take the assignments out of the condition in line 50
<milesmatthias> jhass: I suppose I like the error better if something goes wrong with string interpolation -- `undefined method to_s` as opposed to `undefined method +`
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<jhass> >> :Foo.downcase
<eval-in_> jhass => :foo (https://eval.in/308415)
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<jhass> I like Ruby 1.9 style hash literals
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<jhass> ( {symbol: value} )
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<pagios> anyone using amazon sns services?
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<jhass> https://github.com/milesmatthias/synapse_client/blob/master/lib/synapse_client/api_resource.rb#L26 good hint it shouldn't be a class but a module in the first place
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<pawprint> are there any good tutorials on how to use ERB in plain ruby (without rails) ?
<momomomomo> pagios: do you have a question about it?
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<pagios> momomomomo: yep i am trying to link an application to a topic from the amazon console and it is failing
<pawprint> i want to create a template file, and a file that has values for the fields in the templates, and create a new file from the template with the values from that file
<pagios> seems i n eed to get a sort of uuid for the application
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<momomomomo> pagios: seems more like an amazon specific question, check out #aws
<jhass> momomomomo: I avoid if x.nil? unless false is a valid value I need to differentiate, else I just use if x
<jhass> or unless x
<pawprint> momomomomo: thanks.. but i was hoping for something with a bit more hand-holding and a longer example showing how to do all the things needed to do what i described above
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<momomomomo> jhass: what?
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<jhass> momomomomo: meh, tab completion fail, same nick length and start letter :P Sorry
<jhass> milesmatthias: ^
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<pawprint> i just found this: http://www.stuartellis.eu/articles/erb/
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<pawprint> that looks promising
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<jhass> milesmatthias: I'd consider a HIWA style hash if you want access by symbol, that is normalizing to string keys, not symbol keys
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<wasamasa> HIWA?
<jhass> AS:HWIA I mean
<apeiros> HWIA probably?
<wasamasa> HWIA?
<jhass> especially if you intend the gem to be used with Ruby < 2.2
<jhass> HashWithIndifferentAccess
<wasamasa> hot water intelligence agency?
<apeiros> holy wishes in advance
<GaryOak_> If you have a class without state should it just be a module, or is there a good reason for it to be a class?
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<shadoi1> GaryOak_: if it may ever become stateful, or if it's part of some inheritance tree you want to maintain
<Sou|cutter> I recently encountered a module-based system that would have benefitted greatly from inheritance :(
<jhass> milesmatthias: so to summarize, turning one class into a module and maybe reconsidering how you allow symbol key access are the only design points I'd have, else are just style nitpicks and only a few minor of those :)
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<GaryOak_> I'm just trying to make a sane way of making a library of resque jobs
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<GaryOak_> I feel like I'm over architecting it
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<shadoi1> git grep 'class .*Job$' > resque_jobs.txt ;)
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<agent_white> Afternoon
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<GaryOak_> hey
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<GaryOak_> DeBot
<GaryOak_> doesn't work
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<wasamasa> DeBot: hangman
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<mark06> anyone wants to contribute? https://github.com/renatosilva/easyoptions :)
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<shevy> mark06 why the focus on bash?
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<shevy> I personally would love to see a new option parser in ruby that could replace both OptionParser and GetOptLong and becomes the new standard, as flexible and as documented as possible
<shevy> we have a proliferation of stuff https://rubygems.org/gems/trollop/
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<mark06> shevy: hi, there is no focus on bash, I created this after discontentment with existing solutions
<mark06> shevy: I wanted to just write a help text and **nothing more** so I created easyoptions
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<mark06> bash is there because it all started with bash script needs
<shevy> aha, just the page mentioned bash too which confused me
<shevy> I see
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<tearan> does anyone know why:
<tearan> expect(true).to be_truthy
<GaryOak_> tearan: what about it?
<tearan> works outside an rspec it block, but not inside
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<tearan> only the `receive` or `receive_messages` matchers are supported with `expect(...).to`
<tearan> that is the error I get
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<GaryOak_> tearan: pretty weird, I'm looking through the rspec code right now
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<tearan> it IS wierd
<tearan> and I'm stumped
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<GaryOak_> it's kind of an edge case, as you know that true is going to be truthy
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<GaryOak_> just chalk it up to rspec weirdness and look at minitest with envy
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<shevy> :)
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<shevy> I admire the way how GaryOak_ took the rspec with his iron fists, analyzed it mercilessly by shaking it up wildly and then recommending minitest!
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<tearan> GaryOak_ I know that... I'm looking for something that will pass to troubleshoot why the matcher is broken
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<GaryOak_> vim vs emacs, white and gold vs blue and black, minitest vs rspec, these wars will continue as long as humans exist
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<tearan> I prefer minitest too... but everything is set up for rspec....
<shevy> GaryOak_ hehe
<shevy> vim versus emacs is the best battle
<shevy> there are always two losers here!
<wasamasa> s/best/most boring/
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<GaryOak_> hahaha
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<GaryOak_> tearan: does the opposite work? like expect(false).to_not be_truthy?
<tearan> it's the be_truthy its complaining about
* agent_white stirs vim inside his coffee
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<GaryOak_> expect(false).to be_falsey?
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<agent_white> !!expect(false)
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<agent_white> Nah don't do that. I'm just typing things. :P
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<GaryOak_> I've been learning vim lately
<GaryOak_> It's definitely nice to know for linux admin stuff
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<shevy> so you are an emacster
<shevy> we can't be friends anymore
<GaryOak_> sublimer
<shevy> it's the same situation with the enemy people on #ruby-lang
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<shevy> oh so like jhass
<shevy> then you have redeemed yourself just now
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<shevy> I'd love if it were possible to combine cool features from different editors freely
<shevy> like a LEGO editor - build it yourself, without programming!
<GaryOak_> atom ;)
<agent_white> GaryOak_: Aye :) I think everyone should be comfy with emacs or vim just because it's nice to be comfy when ssh'ed in somewhere.
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<GaryOak_> not quite legos
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<GaryOak_> agent_white: definitely
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<GaryOak_> you can use nano though too, but that's weak
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<GaryOak_> there's also a vim mode in sublime text, but it's not really the same
<tearan> there is?
<GaryOak_> yep
<GaryOak_> it's called the Vintage package
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<shevy> nano does not have many features but it's ok for very small things, less confusing for a newcomer than vi/vim
<GaryOak_> yeah
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<shevy> if we could have a mix between nano and vim ... nanom!
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<milesmatthias> jhass: thanks a ton for the tips!
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<apeiros> jhass on a roll again?
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<jhass> huh?
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<GaryOak_> testing is awful!
<GaryOak_> I don't trust it!
<shevy> yeah but
<shevy> without tests, can you trust your code?
<shevy> especially when you reshuffle things and perhaps add subtle breaks!
<GaryOak_> can you trust your tests?
<shevy> I don't trust anyone or anything
<GaryOak_> #jasonbourne
<shevy> especially not that guy, he is so untrustworthy
<shevy> look at his evil stare and his gun http://goo.gl/a1IdVQ
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<GaryOak_> I want him to write my tests, he doesn't trust anyone
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<shevy> lol
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<shevy> quit work man
<GaryOak_> I should
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<GaryOak_> I need a pillow keyboard, so I can rest my eyes while I type
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<FernandoBasso> https://gist.github.com/FernandoBasso/e40a6881f8ae29ff7937 Why does it print "Dart Vader" twice?
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<apeiros> FernandoBasso: doesn't print vader for me
<apeiros> are you sure you run the very code you gisted?
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<apeiros> FernandoBasso: also, do you run this in irb/pry or via ruby?
<FernandoBasso> ruby greeter.rb
<GaryOak_> FernandoBasso: because you are putting an assignment operator on like 20
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<apeiros> FernandoBasso: (greeter.name = 'Dart Vader') evaluates to 'Dart Vader'
<apeiros> and you puts that too
<apeiros> ah, GaryOak_ was faster
<FernandoBasso> Ah, of course.
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<FernandoBasso> Thanks guys.
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<apeiros> I didn't even notice because I ran it in pry and expected the assignment to return
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<apeiros> but didn't notice that it was actually printing. so I only checked the first puts printing yoda :)
<FernandoBasso> Damn, I always overlook things like this...
<GaryOak_> ruby will do that do you
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<GaryOak_> it returns values for assignments
<apeiros> FernandoBasso: divide and conquer
<apeiros> figure out where precisely the error happens
<apeiros> and more often than not that already will make the mistake obvious
<GaryOak_> >> x = "hello"
<eval-in_> GaryOak_ => "hello" (https://eval.in/308430)
<GaryOak_> other languages don't return anything
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<FernandoBasso> Thanks for the tips folks.
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<GaryOak_> That's what we are here for
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<FernandoBasso> Can I write web apps in ruby without a framework?
<GaryOak_> yes
<GaryOak_> quickly/easily/error-free probably not
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<ackpacket> I'm trying to temporarily override the method in an object... what's the best way to do this?
<FernandoBasso> I've been stuck with PHP as my main web/server lang because I can just use it, without having to learn frameworks. I'd like to be able to do that in ruby too.
<ackpacket> do I have to do a def my_obj.fn_i_want ?
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<ackpacket> Crossposting in rails as well, fyi.
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<GaryOak_> FernandoBasso: That's the nice part of PHP, but there isn't a very good equivalent in ruby
<apeiros> FernandoBasso: since ruby web frameworks are written in ruby too, it logically follows that you can write a web app without a framework ;-)
<FernandoBasso> Nor in any other lang, it seems.
<apeiros> GaryOak_: rack-server-pages
<GaryOak_> hmmm never heard of that
<apeiros> FernandoBasso: if you want php style ruby, use https://github.com/migrs/rack-server-pages
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<FernandoBasso> apeiros: yeah, but I guess you understand what I mean, like, how to handle sessions, for instance. I'll end up having to create my on framework for that, it seems.
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<apeiros> FernandoBasso: that's essentially what you do with php too. or you stick to quite basic functionality.
<GaryOak_> apeiros: that looks pretty nice, compared to building a whole sinatra app
<FernandoBasso> yep, you are right.
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<apeiros> also without a framework, you'll all too often use horrible patterns
<apeiros> like db queries mid-page
<apeiros> always awesome when something fails and you have a partially rendered website riddled with error messages
<GaryOak_> or putting your logic in your templates
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<GaryOak_> or having 1000 line templates
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<apeiros> or loading a huge include on every page
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<jhass> who dares to click?
<apeiros> I did
<apeiros> all russian
<apeiros> probably some "please donate money to poor child"
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<GaryOak_> anyone doing any cool ruby stuff?
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<jhass> GaryOak_: yup
<GaryOak_> that's good
<jhass> I forgot, who did we decide to be anyone?
<jhass> me, right? meh
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<jhass> Rinda again!
<GaryOak_> DeBot: g
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<apeiros> dat rinda!
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<apeiros> linda's younger sister
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<jhass> score!
<GaryOak_> DeBot: m
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<GaryOak_> We did it everyone!
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<apeiros> damn, that was supposed to burn 3
<bricker> LOL
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<bricker> This is boring. I'm bored.
<GaryOak_> I learned about Rinda
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<bricker> GaryOak_: then you immediately learned that it doesn't exist anymore so your knowledge is useless
<havenwood> TupleSpace \o/
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<bricker> Oh you can do rinda/rinda still
<jhass> yeah
<GaryOak_> I was flying through TupleSpace on my moped...
<jhass> that list should be 2.2
<GaryOak_> it's basically redis distributed
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<jhass> no, it's basically a bad version of MPI
<jhass> and MPI is bad already :P
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<GaryOak_> MPI?
<jhass> yeah
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<jhass> bricker: there, guess a gem
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<GaryOak_> It's basically Dcell
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<bricker> um
<jhass> DeBot: -_
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<jhass> worth a shot :P
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<DeBot> am␣ando [glsxr-_pf] 9/12
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<DeBot> am␣ando [glsxr-_pfz] 10/12
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<DeBot> amiando [glsxr-_pfz] 10/12 You won!
<bricker> yay
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<bricker> API client for a service called Amiando
<bricker> :|
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<GaryOak_> that's lame
<bricker> yep
<jhass> some xing stuff apparently
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<GaryOak_> Whoa, I just relearned inject, it's super rad
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<riceandbeans> question
<riceandbeans> you know how python has pypy
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<riceandbeans> python implemented in python
<riceandbeans> does ruby have rubyruby or something?
<riceandbeans> ruby in ruby?
<jhass> topaz, ruby in python
<riceandbeans> ...no
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<riceandbeans> topaz is dead
<jhass> rubinius, ruby in Ruby and C++
<riceandbeans> because of you, I emailed the guy who wrote topaz
<jhass> jruby, Ruby in Java
<riceandbeans> he told me he has no part in it anymore and it's dead
<riceandbeans> :(
<jhass> opal, ruby in Javascript (sort of)
<riceandbeans> oh god
<riceandbeans> that sounds awful
<riceandbeans> let's reimplement it in everything
<riceandbeans> wait one while I do ruby in emacs lisp
<riceandbeans> I'll call it, crips
<riceandbeans> err
<riceandbeans> crisp
<riceandbeans> I'm trying to convince people here that crystal lang isn't just a pipe dream jhass
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<riceandbeans> jhass: is that safe for work?
<riceandbeans> rails-girls?
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<riceandbeans> also, what can I do to make ERBs faster?
<jhass> use ECR :P
<jhass> scnr
<GaryOak_> new langs are sad because they either need a huge company behind them to get popular, and they can only get popular if people use them
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<GaryOak_> but if they aren't stable businesses won't use them
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<riceandbeans> GaryOak_: chicken and egg
<riceandbeans> jhass: ecr?
<jhass> Crystal ERB :P
<riceandbeans> oh
<riceandbeans> right
<riceandbeans> well
<riceandbeans> no
<jhass> thus "scnr"
<riceandbeans> sorry
<riceandbeans> the chief reason I'm saying ERB is puppet and automation
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<riceandbeans> puppet natively supports ERB and can do stuff on every run
<jhass> ew, puppet
<jhass> they have their own channel, don't they? :P
<riceandbeans> whatever, love it, hate it, I don't care, it's better than no automation, and it pays my bills
<riceandbeans> but ERB isn't a puppet issue
<riceandbeans> it's Ruby
<riceandbeans> if they supported HAML maybe we'd use that
<jhass> haml isn't faster afaik
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<jhass> the slowness may very well be in puppet :P
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<GaryOak_> I like crystal because of that wireframe crystal on the homepage you can play with
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<riceandbeans> that is a pretty badass graphic
<riceandbeans> I always pick my software and languages based on their logos
<riceandbeans> that's why I use postgres
<riceandbeans> because dolphins are stupid
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