<navs_>
ill checkout that 'rule' statement might make things easier that making individual tasks
<pontiki>
dunno if this is of interest, but avdi grimm is working on the rake field manual, though i have seen much progress lately: http://www.rakefieldmanual.com/
<pontiki>
there's some free chapters online
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<bootstrappm>
does require go by file system or module class?
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<neworder>
I read this in the Ruby style guide
<neworder>
Avoid methods longer than 10 LOC (lines of code).
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<neworder>
But it's quite impossible for my algorithm to be below 10 lines!
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<bootstrappm>
if i have sitemap_generator/adapters/s3_adapter.rb as file hierarchy but module Sitemap; class S3Adapter; end; end .... do I require 'sitemap_generator/adapters/s3_adapter'?
<neworder>
What can I possibly do
<bootstrappm>
neworder split it up into other functions / methods
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<neworder>
I see
<neworder>
But isn't 10 a bit too few linse
<neworder>
lines*
<bootstrappm>
its a recommendation
<bootstrappm>
and no, 10 is plenty, read some of the more popular gems source
<bootstrappm>
or rails innards
<baweaver>
post your algorithm
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<baweaver>
I'm willing to bet you're using some odd style
<bootstrappm>
and I'd change that to statements not lines
<bootstrappm>
just in case you split it up over many lines
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<baweaver>
Treat Ruby more like a functional language
<baweaver>
selection if it's less than 1000 elements
<neworder>
For now
<pontiki>
do them all
<pontiki>
compare them
<neworder>
What do you suggest
<pontiki>
analyze them!
<neworder>
Is there anyway I can shorten that
<pontiki>
10 lines ia a guideline
<pontiki>
that's only 14
<baweaver>
Just a sec
<pontiki>
it's fine, really
<neworder>
=)
<bootstrappm>
agreed
<bootstrappm>
if you insist on having less lines break out that swap logic into its own helpers
<bootstrappm>
helper*
<pontiki>
rather than using an arbitrary number of lines from the style guide, find out a practical and pragmatic reason to shorten it, such as inefficiencies, DRY, LoD, and so on
<neworder>
Thought of that but swapping is already just one line
<bootstrappm>
well, no, its 4. from the if to the end
<neworder>
it's 2 lines including swapped = true
<baweaver>
The best way to get familiar with Ruby is to read through Enumerable
<bootstrappm>
break out the whole if into the helper and have the helper return true or false
<neworder>
Looks like there are not many Rubyists on Code Review
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<baweaver>
Didn't even know CodeReview was a thing
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<neworder>
It's still in Beta
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<Aeyrix>
>can't get internet at my new house
<Aeyrix>
help me #ruby
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<ScriptGeek>
Is Ruby the best language for web development?
<sevenseacat>
there is no 'best' language.
<ScriptGeek>
well, what's the point in bothering then?
<ScriptGeek>
Let's just do everything in C
<sevenseacat>
in bothering with what? programming?
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<ScriptGeek>
sure
<sevenseacat>
you'll be hard-pressed finding a web framework in C, but I'm sure one likely exists somewhere.
<ScriptGeek>
wouldn't that be fun?
<ScriptGeek>
I made a simplistic web server in C
* hanmac1
did once wrote a website/webserver in C as part as my education as programmer
<Pathfinder>
ScriptGeek: Best is relative
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<ScriptGeek>
I've been kind of stuck in a cave for a long time, messing only with C#, and I recently decided to poke my head out and look around at the forest of other languages.
<sevenseacat>
there sure is a lot of them
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<ScriptGeek>
So I started learning some Ruby, like yesterday
<sevenseacat>
ruby is a great choice for web development, lots of frameworks around for it
<zotherstupidguy>
is it possible to write assembly code in ruby program?
<Pathfinder>
it kinda summarises the philosophies behind most languages in a nutshell
<ScriptGeek>
awesome, thanks
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<ScriptGeek>
I want to get a programming job, so I figured I'd learn some more programming languages. Seems to be a lot of web development job openings.
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<sevenseacat>
is it just me that thinks that web development is moving way too freaking fast these days
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<ScriptGeek>
I was looking at all the new languages & web frameworks I've never heard of before and feeling bewildered, I have some doubts about this insanity.
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<sevenseacat>
it is insane, but its all legitimate
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<ScriptGeek>
With all the technological divergence, how is it possible to find a job in such a field?
<pontiki>
the equally insane amount of demand?
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<sevenseacat>
^
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<sevenseacat>
you're not expected to know all of it. you're expected to know a subset of it.
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<ScriptGeek>
How does one know what they need to learn?
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<pontiki>
how would you answer that for anything?
<sevenseacat>
learn what you need to know to do what you want to do.
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<ScriptGeek>
I guess it's backend development
<pontiki>
there is no formula to becoming a web developer
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<Radar>
ScriptGeek: Why are you leaving C#? I've heard a lot of people looking for a change out of C# recently and I don't understand why now.
<ScriptGeek>
Radar: Just broadening my horizons
<Radar>
ScriptGeek: You're not the only one.
<sevenseacat>
people dont want to stagnate
<Radar>
It's like there's been some kind of cataclysmic event in C# and now there's all these people looking to learn Ruby.
<Radar>
And all asking along the same lines
<Radar>
"how do i become great at this?"
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<sevenseacat>
or its the same person asking under five different names >_>
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<ScriptGeek>
It wasn't me, honest
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<ScriptGeek>
Radar: Are you great at this?
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<Radar>
ScriptGeek: Define great.
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<Radar>
:)
<ScriptGeek>
Like Darth Vader great
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<sevenseacat>
not sure that will help
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* baweaver
watches amusedly from the corner
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<baweaver>
C# is actually a fairly good language though
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<ScriptGeek>
So if you learn something good then stay with it forever and never learn anything new?
<sevenseacat>
good luck with that
<baweaver>
Not necessarily
<baweaver>
Good is incredibly subjective
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<certainty>
moin
<baweaver>
Ruby is great for scripting and system administration
<pontiki>
i would absolutely have hated a career where i only knew how to do one thing
<flughafen>
moring sevenseacat certainty shevy
<baweaver>
Rails is great for rapid web development
<flughafen>
certainty: did you taka 3 day weekend/
<certainty>
flughafen: o/
<flughafen>
4*
<certainty>
flughafen: nope been working on friday
<flughafen>
cool
<flughafen>
i took it off
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<flughafen>
top of the morning to you sevenseacat
<ScriptGeek>
I went to a job interview once, had C# on my resume.. They asked me how long it would take for me to learn Ruby on Rails. I was like idfk.
<baweaver>
Though Rails almost requires you know Javascript as well
<sevenseacat>
flughafen: guten Tag
<certainty>
yeah many did. I should have done that too in retrospective, flughafen
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<Radar>
ScriptGeek: It's taken me 9 years to get to where I am now with Ruby/Rails and I'll let you know when I finish learning it.
<sevenseacat>
flughafen: landed any planes today?
<baweaver>
ScriptGeek: Learn one MVC framework and you have a good start on all of them
<certainty>
ScriptGeek: that's a strange question btw.
<baweaver>
The same as knowing Python or Perl helps significantly with Ruby.
<pontiki>
my response would have been "how long has it taken you?"
<flughafen>
sevenseacat: no. you stealing any treasure?
<baweaver>
or C# helps with Java
<pontiki>
and probably walked out
<sevenseacat>
not yet, but the day is young.
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<ScriptGeek>
pontiki: has the walkout strategy worked? I would like to use that some time. Job interviews seem to be like meat market.
<pontiki>
yes, i have not been employed by idiots very often
<ScriptGeek>
I had HTML/CSS/Javascript with JQuery and MooTools listed on my resume and they were telling me that was impressive.. I figured I must have made a poor 1st impression and they realized maybe I was lying? I don't understand why the lady said that, big deal, it's not like that stuff is difficult.
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* sevenseacat
raises eyebrow
<ScriptGeek>
Javascript is more of a PITA with web standards
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* sevenseacat
's bullshit detector is now going off
<pontiki>
if they're the sort of place that worries about my ability to work in a specific technology that i do not have on my resume, then they're not likely going to be a place that understands development
<ScriptGeek>
pontiki: I agree
<zotherstupidguy>
ScriptGeek javascript is a mistake child that we need to takecare of for the rest of our lives.
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<wasamasa>
one man's unwanted child is another man's treasure
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<ScriptGeek>
zotherstupidguy: true, it's deformed and crippled, but being caretakers for such a difficult invalid provides job security
<baweaver>
It's not that bad.
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<baweaver>
and most of its issues are solved with post-process languages anyways.
<ScriptGeek>
Radar: would you consider yourself an expert with Ruby?
<baweaver>
I'm still a Livescript lover myself.
<eam>
baweaver: whenever someone complains about javascript I just think "man, you must've been born in the 90s"
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<baweaver>
eam: I was though :D
<eam>
bwahaha
<sevenseacat>
kids these days
<baweaver>
1990 exactly
<flughafen>
eam i think javascript sucks and i was born in the 80s
<eam>
flughafen: oh I think it sucks, sure
<flughafen>
i still liven to cassette tapes
* sevenseacat
also an 80s child
<eam>
but it's pretty far from the worst language I've used
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<baweaver>
That's more of a hipster thing there flughafen
<baweaver>
I've used RPG and COBOL in production before. Javascript is a soft little kitten in comparison.
<zotherstupidguy>
who is 86?
<flughafen>
sevenseacat and flughafen are the voices of wisdom in here
<ScriptGeek>
javascript isn't that bad, per se, it's more of a failed adoption of web standards that makes it suck
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<ScriptGeek>
and with web standard fails follows HTML and CSS sucking, too
<baweaver>
I'm the voice of chaos and bad puns
<eam>
lucky me I've managed to avoid the browser my entire career
<wasamasa>
you didn't ever read ruby docs in one?
<zotherstupidguy>
eam really lucky!!!
<eam>
wasamasa: well, with javascript enabled?
<baweaver>
They mean develops for
<wasamasa>
eam: disabling javascript is like a terror statement these days
<wasamasa>
eam: if you look at the share of popular websites just not working anymore
<eam>
well call me al qaeda
<certainty>
yeah kids of the 80s :)
* baweaver
missed out by 6 months
<certainty>
70s?
<baweaver>
90s
<certainty>
90s were good music wise. I guess that's also true people wise
<sevenseacat>
arr, baweaver is the same age as my kid sister. *peers down nose*
<certainty>
also if robotics keep to progress at that pace ... :p
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<baweaver>
In which someone who knows much about a subject believes they know little, and one who knows little believe they know much.
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<ScriptGeek>
dating is lame anyways, guy buys all the stuff, girl pretends not to be interested and in the end girl gets free entertainment watching guy be an idiot
<sevenseacat>
o.O
<baweaver>
ScriptGeek: Might have crossed a few lines there.
<wasamasa>
this is very telling
<zotherstupidguy>
baweaver you are not that cool :P
<Radar>
well this is turning out to be a fun conversation. I'm going to avoid the lake of fire and go back to work :)
<baweaver>
zotherstupidguy: Mate, I'm a grade S nerd. I care little about that.
<ScriptGeek>
baweaver: I'm suffering from Dunning Kruger effect... no wait, if I knew that then I can't be... ohh the lame paradoxes of science
<sevenseacat>
Radar: spoken like a true married man. *runs*
<baweaver>
Psychology, but anyways.
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<zotherstupidguy>
baweaver have you ever heard of github art?
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<baweaver>
explain further
<baweaver>
not offhand
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<zotherstupidguy>
well, the idea is to make penis shape using your github contribution color blocks, it will only take a year to finish it through selected commits
* baweaver
sighs
<baweaver>
well with that I think it's time for bed.
<ScriptGeek>
gnite, baweaver
<zotherstupidguy>
night baweaver :)
<sevenseacat>
see ya baweaver
<sevenseacat>
zotherstupidguy: don't be silly.
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<zotherstupidguy>
sevenseacat its a game like any other
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<zotherstupidguy>
actually its a good gamification dynamic from github to put those little color blocks, its only a matter of time so that ppl start playing with it
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<ScriptGeek>
hey guys, I juts realized something that I must confess
<Aeyrix>
I've tried, I don't know what I dislike about it.
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<Aeyrix>
Atm I'm trying to get into the Go kool-aid.
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<shevy>
I knew what I disliked about erlang
<shevy>
the syntax
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<Aeyrix>
shevy: The '.' at the end or in general?
<zotherstupidguy>
Aeyrix how it going ?
<Aeyrix>
The only syntax I truly enjoy is Ruby's. Everything else is just to get by.
<Aeyrix>
zotherstupidguy: u wot
<Jelvena>
" Relationship between Elixir and Erlang is unique, with Elixir being often semantically very close to Erlang, but extending the original concept further by borrowing approaches from various other languages."
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<Aeyrix>
That entire sentence literally says nothing.
<Aeyrix>
"It's kind of semantically close, but also kind of not."
<Aeyrix>
Elixir is Erlang for Rubyists yeah?
<Aeyrix>
Why would anyone do that? Does it offer performance benefits?
<Aeyrix>
Oh, apparently yes
<zotherstupidguy>
the guy who created rspec went for erlang after ruby, right?
<Jelvena>
No, that's not true.
<Jelvena>
Elixir is not Erlang for Ruby, it clearly says that.
<Aeyrix>
Oh.
<Aeyrix>
To clarify, I don't have the website open.
<Jelvena>
sevenseacat, I don't know if these numbers are biased, but elixir being 2-70x faster than Ruby? Must be some bs.
<Aeyrix>
Why?
<sevenseacat>
well its a compiled language
<Aeyrix>
Elixir relies on the Erlang VM yo.
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<aawe>
ruby is not a very fast language
<Aeyrix>
sevenseacat: Do you use Elixir in any capacity?
<aawe>
not very hard to compete against
<sevenseacat>
so i'd expect it to be a shit-ton faster automatically
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<sevenseacat>
that and ruby really is slow, comparitive to other languages.
<shevy>
Aeyrix I dunno, I disliked everything related to syntax there. I think ruby spoiled me
<Aeyrix>
shevy: I totally agree.
<aawe>
you get used to the syntax
<shevy>
I was one of those weird dudes who, a few months after writing some perl code, did not understand what I was doing
<Aeyrix>
That's kind of defined behaviour for perl programmers.
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<shevy>
yeah that's usually what people say, also in lisp. but even in perl, I so often forgot the trailing ';' char
<Jelvena>
I see. sevenseacat do you know anything about the community and it's growth? For it to being 3 years old only.
<SpicyMagpie>
shevy: what is weird about it... besides that you write Perl?
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<sevenseacat>
Jelvena: nope.
<Aeyrix>
Perl is used solely for code golf and to prove that you can write something in perl.
<shevy>
spicymagpie it was my first language on linux actually
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<Aeyrix>
I read that as "my first language was linux"
<SpicyMagpie>
Perl, like C and its derivatives, is called a write-only code.
<Aeyrix>
"????"
<Aeyrix>
Eh I can write readable C.
<Aeyrix>
I force myself to, because I'm spoiled by the readability of Ruby.
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<Aeyrix>
I can't read Python anymore though, without block-end denotion.
<zotherstupidguy>
Aeyrix perl got the best regex engine!
<Aeyrix>
zotherstupidguy: Actually yeah, and that.
<shevy>
I actually like that you can omit "end-statements" in python
<SpicyMagpie>
Aeyrix: I learned COBOL, then C. I can write readable code too... but for that you should spend some time writing readable code.
<shevy>
I hate that you must indent mandatory AND have to use a ':' character
<Aeyrix>
Why though, shevy? I like it, just like I like { and }.
<Aeyrix>
(My first language was C#, I'm so sorry)
<shevy>
you usually use 'end' in ruby
<Aeyrix>
Uh, PHP, then C#.
<shevy>
you may end up with things like:
<zotherstupidguy>
shevy i hate the fact that python is famous and all the smart uni kids have to do their work using it
<shevy>
end
<shevy>
end
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<shevy>
end
<shevy>
end
<Aeyrix>
#kickedforspam
<Jelvena>
Smart uni kids do Python?
<Jelvena>
No it's the other way around.
<Jelvena>
Python is for everyone.
<shevy>
#demonstrationForPower
<SpicyMagpie>
Aeyrix: PHP is not a language, it is a template manager, like erb for rails.
* SpicyMagpie
ducks and runs.
<Aeyrix>
Jelvena: Python is like the standard for entry-level programming university courses now.
<Aeyrix>
spicymagpie: Hah, truth.
<shevy>
spicymagpie that's kinda true... PHP is more like a "thing" than a programming language
<aawe>
Which is a shame. Python is hard
<Jelvena>
Python is not hard.
<jokke>
aawe: not here
<Aeyrix>
I disagree entirely.
<aawe>
it's unintuitive
<Jelvena>
If you find Python hard, I feel sorry.
<aawe>
has a bad stdlib wrt documentation and separation of concerns
<SpicyMagpie>
I also disagree, here I teach JavaScript to first-year students.
<Aeyrix>
If I could take Python's way of importing things, and probably 3/4 of the Zen of Python, into Ruby, you'd have a perfect language for me (except for speed).
<zotherstupidguy>
JElvena what is this ___DDD___
<Aeyrix>
aawe: Holy shit absolutely. Python's stdlib is actually atrocious
<shevy>
what part of the zen of python?
<Aeyrix>
zotherstupidguy: That's an internal method.
<aawe>
Aeyrix: which makes it hard to learn
<sevenseacat>
I created a monster.
<Aeyrix>
aawe: Yeah I agree with you there, actually.
<Aeyrix>
urllib2, anyone?
<zotherstupidguy>
Aeyrix will it grow wings and fly?
<shevy>
haha yeah sevenseacat
<Aeyrix>
The fact that `requests` isn't in stdlib, anyone?
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<SpicyMagpie>
sevenseacat: run now that you can.
<Aeyrix>
shevy: sec
<shevy>
do you have to read up first :D
* SpicyMagpie
sits down with the popcorn bag
<Jelvena>
zotherstupidguy, What is, int j = 1; (&main + (&exit - &main)*(j/1000))(j+1); ?
<aawe>
python the language is not just the simple syntax, it includes the stdlib. if the stdlib is bad, the language overall is hard to learn. python is hard to learn for this reason, even though the syntax is easy to understand
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<aawe>
you might learn "hello world" fast, but learning to write "good" python code takes a long time
<shevy>
how long does it take to write good perl code
<SpicyMagpie>
shevy: 75 years.
<Jelvena>
A language being hard to learn does not imply the documentations are bad.
<shevy>
haha
<Jelvena>
Python is not a hard language.
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<aawe>
Jelvena: just disregard everything I wrote, eh?
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<Jelvena>
Mastering a language is something different tho.
<Aeyrix>
Jelvena: Actually, no. Now I will just stop talking to you because not only are you spouting nonsense, you're doing it antagonistically.
<shevy>
Aeyrix dunno. I guess require will stay as it is, but they added require_relative some time ago so I would not see why they could not want to add a more sophisticated way to load up ruby files
<Aeyrix>
Be quiet. Go be a #c "king" or whatever yo.
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<adaedra>
Aeyrix: stop feeding
<Aeyrix>
shevy: Didn't require_relative do basically the same as requirE?
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<Aeyrix>
I remember seeing some blog post laughing about how it was literally the same thing.
<shevy>
it's twice as long!
<Aeyrix>
LOL
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<shevy>
they removed ./ from the default search path
<aawe>
I too get the feeling Jelvena is trying to antagonize
<sevenseacat>
hello. i dont know that much. i'm more a rails type of person.
<adaedra>
It's like require, but without checking if the file has been already required
<Aeyrix>
sevenseacat: o ok
<Aeyrix>
adaedra: ... oh
<Aeyrix>
Does that overwrite?
<SpicyMagpie>
nono, load is more like opening the file and importing whatever is on it.
<adaedra>
Not exactly
<heftig>
class_eval the code in an anonymous module
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<heftig>
a = Module.new; a.class_eval(File.read("foo.rb"))
<adaedra>
It will re-read the file, overwriting things the way you do when reopening a class
<heftig>
a.const_get("Foo")
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<zotherstupidguy>
can we collect ruby conf videos in a torrent? like the defcon guys do?
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<heftig>
hm, though you might also need to reset the loaded features ($") after unloading by throwing away a
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<SpicyMagpie>
oh, my Ruby env disappeared!
<gert7>
i wrote a gem last night
<Darkwater>
good job
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<izzol>
There is any good tutoria/doc where I can check how to create a versioning in ruby/sinatra REST API ?
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<shevy>
how to update all .gem files that are installed locally?
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<shevy>
hmm is it "gem update" ? or is there some catch
<gert7>
with bundle update?
<gert7>
if you're on a Gemfile
<shevy>
without bundler though
<shevy>
I need to assume that not every user knows that above command, in installation-instructions
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<gert7>
should be gem update
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<Aeyrix>
heftig: Yeah
<Aeyrix>
You do have to
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<gert7>
i need some input on a gem i wrote, i don't know if it's useful
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<zotherstupidguy>
shevy is you are building a gem locally, you can just gem build over the existing gem
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<St1gma>
izzol: use git
<St1gma>
damn just realized when that was asked :p
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<izzol>
St1gma: what do you mean git? ;-)
<St1gma>
You said you wanted to keep versioning of your REST API that you are building?
<St1gma>
git would be good for keeping track of changes in the code. (maybe I misunderstood your question?)
<izzol>
St1gma: yes, that's correct. So I can simply change the version of my API to the clients.
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<St1gma>
There are many ways of creating versions in git, some people might disagree with what I'm going to say here. But what I've done in the past is keep the "master" branch with the latest changes once I'm satisfied I create a new branch with the name "version-XX.YY". I tell people they can get that branch for that specific version or "master" for bleeding edge.
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<St1gma>
you can join #git and ask more questions on how that works
<izzol>
St1gma: hmm, I was thinking about the keeping version of my API in the url.
<izzol>
and get them from the headers (for example).
<gert7>
would that involve backwards compatibility?
<izzol>
I'm not really sure what is the best way that's why I'm looking answers :)
* zotherstupidguy
“Then he made one last effort to search in his heart for the place where his affection had rotted away, and he could not find it.” ― Gabriel García Márquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude
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<pgunnars>
does ruby have some special path env? claims it cant load a file which is definitely in path
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<hanmac1>
pgunnars: your ruby version?
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<Pathfinder>
pgunnars: Are you using RVM to manage ruby versions...if so .. do rvm list and check if you are using the correct version of ruby or that the PATH is being loaded
<hanmac1>
pgunnars: and did you use 1.8 before? if yes you need require_relative because "." is not in PATH anymore
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<jhass>
^ s/PATH/$LOAD_PATH/
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<jhass>
not to be confused with ENV['PATH']
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<hanmac1>
jhass: hm yeah but it seams
<hanmac1>
that pgunnars itself doesnt know which path ruby means
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<thebatu1_>
hello, being new to Ruby and RoR I saw this piece of code that I do not understand. if pk.is_a?(Array) what is the functionality of (Array) here? and is it different from (array) ?
<aawe>
thebatu1_: Array is a class name
<hanmac1>
thebatu1_: Array is the class of all arrays ... with is_a?(Array) it does check if pk is an Array and no other kind of object
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<[k->
Array can be a class name or Kernel#Array o_O
<gert7>
Array is literally a class there. Array.class() returns the Class class
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<thebatu1_>
But the use of is_a? is enough to check if it is an array why add (Array)
<thebatu1_>
?
<apeiros>
[k-: methods starting with an uppercase letter must be used in an unambiguous way. that is one of a) having explicit receiver, b) having parens, c) having a param passed
<hanmac1>
thebatu1_: no, is_a is not enough
<gert7>
pk.is_a? doesn't do anything
<apeiros>
i.e. `Foo` is always the constant. `Foo()`, `x.Foo` and `Foo 1` are always the method call.
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<[k->
oh, that makes it clear
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<gert7>
i believe Hello() silently tries to call the 'static' method Hello#call
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<hanmac1>
gert7: no you mean Hello.()
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<gert7>
or Hello::call?
<Mon_Ouie>
No, Hello() calls #Hello on self
<[k->
thebatu1_: pk can be an Array, Hash, TCPSocket or anything
<[k->
so you must tell .is_a? what to check for
<apeiros>
gert7: that's invoking 'call' on the constant 'Hello'
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<[k->
.is_a? should be a BasicObject method i think
<Mon_Ouie>
>> def Hello(); puts "hi, I am #{self}"; end; Hello()
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<jhass>
pgunnars: btw require "rubygems" is implicitly done for you since Ruby 1.9
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<TheBrayn>
which jsonrpc-client can you recommend?
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<Fluent>
I was wondering. How does one go about connecting to flash based content with Ruby? Say a flash based chat room.
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<arietis>
hello guys
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<arietis>
is anyone here using RubyMine?
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<arietis>
i'm getting issues with ruby-debug-ide gem :(
<Fluent>
No, sorry.
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<jhass>
I just use pry + pry-byebug + pry-stack_explorer for debugging
<dudedudeman>
jhass: would you recommend pry to a newer user to ruby?
<Fluent>
pry is nice
<jhass>
yes
<Fluent>
Why not?
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<dudedudeman>
word
<dudedudeman>
and i mean, it's just one more thing to learn and get used to
<Fluent>
I need to figure out how to do this
<dudedudeman>
not that that is a bad thing
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<Fluent>
I guess I would need to figure out a way to get Ruby compatible with flash for this to work.
<Fluent>
Another reason to hate flash content.
<gert7>
wait
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<gert7>
depends on where the data is stored for the chatroom
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<Fluent>
Well, I'm not seeing any data in the source code
<Fluent>
Not entirely sure where it's being placed really. I think it works all client side?
<Fluent>
I will dig deeper as I should; I suppose.
<gert7>
the interface between the chatroom and the database/peers
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<gert7>
somewhere there is a socket, and that's where the data is transferred across the network
<Fluent>
Hrmmm, yes.
<Fluent>
But can you receive that content without having flash there?
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<[k->
so you are implying to intercept the data?
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<Fluent>
The flash plugin.
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<[k->
(gert7)
<gert7>
intercept the data with wireshark or something :0
<Fluent>
I don't think you can do it like that
<[k->
:o another shark
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<Fluent>
Well you could if you have flash enabled and on the site to be able to receive the data
<[k->
a shark died this year. the music service grooveshark
<Fluent>
:p
<gert7>
flash is clientside
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<Fluent>
Yeah
<Fluent>
I'm making connections to said website with Ruby
<Fluent>
And Mechanize
<Fluent>
I wonder if I can get it to use a flash plugin
<gert7>
it's closer to your screen than the network hardware that it runs through - which you can intercept with wireshark, and maybe understand how it works
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<Fluent>
Yeah, that's a good idea for seeing how it works. Good advice, I'll do that.
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<[k->
do you mean at the end or jit-compiler
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<unshadow>
jit-compiler, did any student picked to do it ?
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<[k->
A lot of mentors and students hang out at the #rubygsoc channel on Bundler's Slack account. You can join in by filling your email in on this page.
<GaryOak_>
woodennails: do you want full on ruby or mostly rails?
<atmosx>
woodennails: I was very pleased with "beginning ruby" second edition, but I think it's old now. Didn't get an update.
<woodennails>
I think i would like to start with Ruby before I get into rails
<woodennails>
would that be a good idea?
<GaryOak_>
yeah!
<atmosx>
woodennails: yes
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<woodennails>
I am going for a job interview to become a ruby developer, They are aware i dont know Ruby and are willing to skill me up on it but thought I'd better get a head start
<adaedra>
COngrats
<adaedra>
s/O/o/
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<atmosx>
woodennails: ruby not rails? or by ruby you rails?
<adaedra>
did you a word?
<woodennails>
Nope, its a pure Ruby role, i asked them the same thing
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<atmosx>
woodennails: rails is a framework full of methods (functions in ruby-world are called methods) to perform tasks that ruby doesn't have. On the other hand, by understanding how ruby 'works' it will be easy to get up to speed with rails and understand how inheritence, encapsulation, scopes and classes and instances work in rails.
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<atmosx>
woodennails: hm, okay. I'd say, since you're going to be a pro, better buy the PickAxe book, latest edition.
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<woodennails>
Im just a little sick of doing front-end development, id rather worry about the data rather than the presentation
<atmosx>
woodennails: it's not easy-to-follow book but it's a sort of a bible/reference. Also pretty much cryptic in some instances (I might add)
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<GaryOak_>
woodennails: if you are more a visual learner, I'd try working through the book and work on a small project at the same time
* atmosx
is the other way around
<atmosx>
lol
<woodennails>
ruby is a backend language right?
<woodennails>
haha
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<adaedra>
there's opal :>
<GaryOak_>
woodennails: also if you are familiar with OOP, that's a big hurdle out of the way
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<unshadow>
chrisseaton, thanks ! i'll give it a try :)
<woodennails>
I am, i dont get all the concepts, and sometimes i think it makes things more complicated but i have done it a lot yes
<izzol>
Anyone is using Sinatra?
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<GaryOak_>
izzol: yep
<ReachingFarr>
I'm trying to write some unit tests for a tutorial. Each tutorial chapter re-defines some of the same classes and methods. This causes problems with Minitest as the old definitions are still visible when the test for a new chapter are started. Is there a way to solve this? Perhaps by having Minitest run each test case in a separate Ruby process?
<atmosx>
ReachingFarr: isn't that a 'naming' issue? can't you rename your classes in order not to be re-defined? (by adding modules)
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<atmosx>
izzol: yeah
<woodennails>
So beginning ruby would be a good book yeah?
<woodennails>
im looking for tutorials really to get up to scrath
<izzol>
GaryOak_: I'm getting "no implicit conversion of Array into String" because of: address = params[:address]. I'm sending this to my gem which accepts only strings. I figure out that this params returns an array or strings. But when I change it to: address = params[:address].first I'm getting: undefined method `first'. So now I'm not sure what is wrong :P
<ReachingFarr>
atmosx: That's an option, but I think it would decrease the clarity of the tutorials.
<Franciman>
Where can I ask some questions about rugged library?
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<ReachingFarr>
atmosx: It would also require a non-trivial amount of refactoring. I was hoping there was just a way to modify my Rakefile and get the desired behaviour.
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<atmosx>
ReachingFarr: might be, I'm not sure. Try the ruby-ml if you don't find any answers here.
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<izzol>
GaryOak_: ok I fixed it. The problem was with the return :-)
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<GaryOak_>
izzol: haha good, I was gone!
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<Encapsulation>
atmosx, we meet again xD
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<GaryOak_>
atmosx: you'd better learn Encapsulation or it will haunt you forever
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<adaedra>
.
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<atmosx>
haha
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<shevy>
adaedra are you spamming dots again
<adaedra>
I'm not spamming
<adaedra>
period.
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<atmosx>
izzol: params[:address].class
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<atmosx>
izzol: find out what kind of object your params[:address] is...
<jhass>
it makes sure that repeated calls to call call to_app only once
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<shevy>
repeated calls to call call!
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<wpp>
mostly used when to_app is "expensive"
<shevy>
someone is calling jhass
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<woodennails>
Just a quick question for you guys too. Cant seem to find any new or recent tutorials on creating a rails api?
<zotherstupidguy>
jhass so its a singleton object now?
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<jhass>
no
<atmosx>
woodennails: API, like REST API?
<woodennails>
Yeah
<woodennails>
is that what Rails is mostly used for?
<zotherstupidguy>
woodennails #rails
<woodennails>
ah nice
<woodennails>
thanks :D
<atmosx>
woodennails: it's extremely easy, all you have to do is create a few roots (and set up some permissions... if needed)
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<jhass>
woodennails: #RubyOnRails actually
<atmosx>
woodennails: it's easy to do with Sinatra too.
<atmosx>
oh c'mon it was easy...
<woodennails>
do you guys work doing ruby for a living then?
<atmosx>
jhass knew the answer.
<woodennails>
it seems to be quite niche
<woodennails>
but i kinda like that
<atmosx>
woodennails: I'm a pharmacist.
<atmosx>
I don't code for a living. shevy is a kick-ass world-famous biologist. You can ask him about biomes, bacterias, yeasts...
<zotherstupidguy>
woodennails: i'm a dancer
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* atmosx
is looking a display for his RPi project for 2 days.
<woodennails>
ah right
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<woodennails>
i assumed you would all do ruby for a living
<adaedra>
I am the dancing queen ♪
<adaedra>
er, oops
<adaedra>
:)
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<atmosx>
woodennails: I get job offers to do that pretty regularaly (almost 1 every 3 to 4 months).
<atmosx>
regularly..
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<zotherstupidguy>
atmosx please pass one of those offers, i am also a single-mom
<woodennails>
ah nice, the reason i ask is, like im pretty sick of my front-end Javascript role, I find it much better doing backend stuff like API's... but i dont really know much about SQL and DB stuff.... so im kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. At work they use php on the backend which i dont really like either
<atmosx>
zotherstupidguy: easy, create a github repo. Put some code in it (preferably that doesn't suck too much) and you'reall set. If you create alinked profile I think you might conquer the world overnight.
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<adaedra>
It's so simple?
<atmosx>
zotherstupidguy: the last one I've had was trying to recruit someone in Berlin
<atmosx>
relocate..
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<zotherstupidguy>
atmosx i dont knw rails.
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<atmosx>
adaedra: trutgh to be told, no idea. I never accepted any of them to really know *if* it's like the say it will.
<GaryOak_>
I need to relocate, there are no jobs here!
<zotherstupidguy>
atmosx its hard for single-moms who doesnt do rails
<adaedra>
Note: put some (more) code on GitHub
<thomcom>
hehe well learn rails
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<GaryOak_>
There's 4 universities in my area, and all the jobs in the city are for webdev!
<zotherstupidguy>
thomcom i have dignity, i am not going to raise my child using such a huge codebase, i want my child to live in a world where simplicity and minimalism is key to happiness.
<thomcom>
hahaha
<thomcom>
I like you zotherstupidguy
<zotherstupidguy>
thomcom ;)
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<adaedra>
4 universities?
<adaedra>
wow.
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<atmosx>
GaryOak_: then why dont' you do web0dev?
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<adaedra>
Did you know the pyramids are bases for alien ships to land?
<zotherstupidguy>
i am an alien
<adaedra>
enjoying the place?
<zotherstupidguy>
i am here for irc mostly
<adaedra>
not a good reception from space I take?
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<zotherstupidguy>
hey, so this script gets the ips, now using ruby we can geo locate them and using js we show a nice map with no of users and but it on the channel website, what you think?
<zotherstupidguy>
put*
<Pathfinder>
zotherstupidguy: BRILLIANT
<zotherstupidguy>
i went this path as i was sad that there was no ruby conf in africa as fas i can tell!
<zotherstupidguy>
wanna connect with more ruby devs nearby, israil is hot but its kinda difficult to go
<adaedra>
There should be some of the at the other side of the Mediterranea
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<Pathfinder>
zotherstupidguy: lol..but the data would be quite inaccurate based on guys who don't log in from their local computer and use vpns and remote vms
<adaedra>
or however you write that in English
<Pathfinder>
There was a rubyconf in kenya last week..though it was kind of a disappointment
<zotherstupidguy>
Pathfinder ofcourse! but its jsut a figure
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<zotherstupidguy>
stats always helpful even if not 100% accurate
<adaedra>
Time to go get the train
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<zotherstupidguy>
nice!
<Pathfinder>
adaedra: see yah...it's raining so bad here...flooded roads
<zotherstupidguy>
Pathfinder so you are from kenya?
<adaedra>
:/
<Pathfinder>
zotherstupidguy: Yeah..Nairobi, Kenya
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<zotherstupidguy>
Pathfinder nice meeting you :)
<Pathfinder>
Nice to meet you too zotherstupidguy ..... lol... that Nick though :D
<zotherstupidguy>
thx :)
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<toretore>
it is parsed as (false ? nil : puts) 'foo'
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<hololeap>
it's just an example to make my point
<hololeap>
toretore: ok that makes sense
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<hololeap>
i'm looking at a table of operator precedence and it says its evaluated right-to-left, so i figured that anything to the left of : would be taken as a single statement
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<hololeap>
but obviously that's not true
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<Fluent>
please excuse my dear aunt sally
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<hololeap>
sometimes its confusing having the option to put a space instead of parenthesis
<postmodern>
what is the defacto library for promises/futures?
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<toretore>
there isn't any
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<GaryOak_>
postmodern: if you need a bunch of it, you can use celluloid or eventmachine
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<GaryOak_>
I was gonna ask the same question, trying to return a function before a thread inside of it finishes
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<Eiam>
hmm, is there a way to have thin listen on multiple ports at once?
<Eiam>
like from the same bundle exec thin start <port1> <port2>
<jhass>
oO the TCP socket is your bottleneck?
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<hololeap>
Eiam: you could use firewall rules for that
<Eiam>
jhass: no, requests that come in via a different port need a slight pre-process to them is all
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<Eiam>
and I'd rather not just spin up another instance in the proc file just for that minor difference
<toretore>
hololeap: re: syntax; when in doubt, add parentheses
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<jhass>
but I'd consider a middleware/reverse proxy as separate process personally
<jhass>
that normalizes one into the other
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<hololeap>
toretore: i'm reading up on operator precedence, and i see that any operator takes precedence over a method call (without spaces). that is going to help me a lot in the future
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<hololeap>
*without parentheses
<toretore>
hololeap: i don't even bother learning about the less obvious stuff, i just add parens
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<hololeap>
still, it's good to know
<Eiam>
jhass: hmm. right now I have rack middleware do the pre procesing
<toretore>
even for arithmetic operators
<Eiam>
jhass: but the reverse proxy won't let certain requests into the middleware unless they are authenticated first, and my whole thing is I've setup another listener to bypass the auth check on the outer wall
<Eiam>
hrm
<Eiam>
guess ill have to just setup another instance
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<jhass>
Eiam: how about you let your reverse proxy set a custom header that your rack middleware detects?
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<Eiam>
yeah thats effectively what im after
<jhass>
if the other connection is trusted
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<Eiam>
hmm. seeing if thats possible. (I don't control the reverse proxy, im just behind it)
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<coppolgat>
#multisala
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<jhass>
?
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<mwlang>
wow, where the heck has gitlab been hiding? This is a nice suite of tools for self-hosting git repos and doing continuous integration!
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<zotherstupidguy>
mwlang it been around for a long time!
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<Eiam>
yep
<Eiam>
I use it every day, super happy with it
<mwlang>
zotherstupidguy: yeah, I saw from the commit history…I think I probably checked it out 3 or 4 years ago but it was too rough around the corners back then.
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<Eiam>
actually once even used gitlab comments & issues as a backing database for a moderately sized project; worked surprisingly well
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<zotherstupidguy>
Eiam thats creative, git can be abused in a number of ways! its a well-built tool
<mwlang>
I was able to set up a server, ci, and runner all one one box and experiment a bit this morning. the idea of a backing database of issues, comments, and even wiki is what got me looking at it because I want to make my consulting website more client oriented and give them an all in one place view on their projects and work progress.
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<toretore>
wow, i didn't expect it to be such a blatant knockoff of github
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<zotherstupidguy>
github setup a lot of conventions :)
<mwlang>
one thing about gitlab is they did the whole “omnibus installation” thing extremely well and it was something I was looking for an exemplar example of how to do such for firewall management app I’m working on (think shorewall on steroids)
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<mwlang>
not crazy excited about seeing chef as I want to use ansible, but the general organization and flow of it all is spot on.
<alb_thargor>
Hi, I would expect the following to be trivial in ruby, but haven't found a solution yet
<alb_thargor>
how can I check if a name is defined in ruby and circumvent "NameError: undefined local variable or method" (context: rails, active_admin, sometimes the name is provided by the framework sometimes not)
<hoelzro>
alb_thargor: defined
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<hoelzro>
er, defined?
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<ruboto>
baweaver # => /tmp/execpad-a83bc6e40e9f/source-a83bc6e40e9f:1:in `inspect': undefined method `inspect' for #<Basic ...check link for more (https://eval.in/366888)
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<yxhuvud>
>> {BasicObject.new => 42}
<ruboto>
yxhuvud # => undefined method `hash' for #<BasicObject:0x40ea0214> (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/366889)
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<alb_thargor>
hoelzro: so defined? is for checking if a name is defined in the scope and respond_to? is used to check if there is a defined method?
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<toretore>
alb_thargor: you should specify what it is you're trying to achieve
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<toretore>
as you've noticed, "checking if a name is defined" can mean many things
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<alb_thargor>
toretore: I already achieved what I wanted with defined?, now I am just trying to understand the different methods better
<jhass>
alb_thargor: first of all, do you check for a variable or a method?
<jhass>
and where? in a template? in a subclass? in ...?
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<alb_thargor>
currently in a block
<toretore>
this is the information superhighway, we expect some information
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<alb_thargor>
and I don't know whether it is a variable or a method (although I could look it up)
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<alb_thargor>
Is there any good reference that explains both method and scope resolution in ruby?
<toretore>
unless you're doing something weird, it's a method
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<toretore>
if it's a variable, you'll see it written in your cod
<toretore>
e
<toretore>
*local variable
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<joelataylor>
quick question: string interpolation vs sprintf - reasons why one way is better than the other?
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<toretore>
they have different uses
<waxjar>
jolataylor they're not equivalent, sprintf does a lot more
<waxjar>
if you need string interpolation, use string interpolation
<waxjar>
if you need fancy sprintf stuff, use sprintf
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<anarcode>
Hi guys. I'm doing an on site interview with a company that uses Ruby on Rails. I have a degree in Comp Sci. What's the best way to learn Ruby for theis purpose?
<zenspider>
write code
<dudedudeman>
make sure you go hang out with the #rubyonrails guys!
<zenspider>
lots of it
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<GaryOak_>
and lots of it
<dudedudeman>
anarcode: do you know anyone who could maybe sit down and do a mock interview with you?
<anarcode>
Well I've already passed the fizz buzz and higher technical stages. I'd just like to prepare my knowledge of their stack because I'm getting to the point where I might become a member of their team.
<hoelzro>
anarcode: you should probably think of how you can demonstrate that you know how to reason about problems and can learn new things than trying to cram learn Rails
<dudedudeman>
a personal project would be good for that
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<anarcode>
How about a graphical 2048 solver (better than brute force)? Would that be an appropriate project?
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<anarcode>
I mean, not exactly what the company does, but I feel like it would give me a pretty good intro to Ruby on Rails
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<adaedra>
That'd be a lot of front-side code, no?
<havenwood>
anarcode: Is it more important for you to show Ruby or Rails proficiency? Both?
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<dudedudeman>
i mean, yeah, you could do that, and use rails to build a web framework around it and make it a web app. if you like front-end stuff as well
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<anarcode>
havenwood: I thought Rails was just an MVC framework for Ruby?
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<shevy>
havenwood thanks
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<anarcode>
Well so it's a web framework as well. I'm going to look more into the specifics of these tools. I guess I'm still not sure how their stack fits together.
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<marlon_>
jhass: can you please explain how this all gets together here
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<marlon_>
jhass: and how I can get to knife google without this nightmare?
<jhass>
bundler modifies Ruby's $LOAD_PATH so it contains only gems specified by your Gemfile (well, the .lock)
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<havenwood>
Mm, that reminds me I still need to pull request this proposed update o the Bundler logo: https://i.imgur.com/9P4SpWl.png
<marlon_>
jhass: how do I fix this?
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<jhass>
marlon_: alias bknife="bundle exec knife" and be done with it
<baweaver>
havenwood: SFW?
<havenwood>
baweaver: yes
<marlon_>
jhass: seriously?
<jhass>
marlon_: by using bundle exec, it's the proper solution
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<anew>
jhass permission denied with that, i cant sudo on this
<jhass>
anew: why would you ever sudo rails s anyway
<jhass>
?root
<ruboto>
General advise in system administration: do not and that means never use sudo or root to "fix" things. Only use it if you exactly know why it would work and why it wouldn't work under any circumstances as normal user. Or if you're told to do it.
<GaryOak_>
Is there a python virtualenv style solution for ruby, or did everyone decide that was bad?
<havenwood>
GaryOak_: We just use chruby.
<adaedra>
Good night #ruby, have sweet dreams
<jhass>
GaryOak_: and bundler
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<anew>
jhass i dont have permission do that
<GaryOak_>
lol that's what I use
<jhass>
anew: to do what anyway?
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<anew>
bin/rails s / bundle exec rails s
<anew>
'permission denied'
<zenspider>
GaryOak_: yes, running. I think I just figured it out. it was trying to send across an exception that was holding an exception that was holding an array of bindings... that last part causes serialization to blow up
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<jhass>
anew: is that the full output?
<anew>
-bash: bin/rails: Permission denied
<GaryOak_>
zenspider: woah!
<jhass>
anew: and for the other one?
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<baweaver>
Assuming they didn't copy/paste that entire line as one command
<jhass>
that's where my doubts come from atm ;D
<anew>
i thought there was only one?
<jhass>
no, two alternatives to try
<jhass>
bin/rails s
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<jhass>
or
<jhass>
bundle exec rails s
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<baweaver>
anew: Two commands
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<anew>
Could not find rake-10.4.2 in any of the sources
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<anew>
Run `bundle install` to install missing gems.
<zenspider>
should probably be https... but sholud still work
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<zenspider>
GaryOak_: yeah. I map it down to arrays of strings (exception class name, exception message, backtrace)... that's fixed _this_ error, but I suspect I have 2 going on
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<GaryOak_>
zenspider: That's a fun a serialization bug
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<anew>
which one should i run now ?
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<jhass>
bundle install
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<anew>
ok installing
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<anew>
is it normal to take a while?
<anew>
ah there we go
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<jhass>
shevy: I'm not going to reiterate, it's harmful if you don't know what you're doing, thus suggesting it to clear newbies is harmful. Period.
<jhass>
anew: what's your goal of installing ruby & rails there?
<shevy>
jhass I understand that you have a different opinion, you can iterate it as often as you want to but this does not make your statement anymore valid. Compiling from source is done all the time, every time
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<anew>
my goal? i need to write something in ruby...
<jhass>
anew: why do you use a shared hosting environment to develop for ruby?
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<jhass>
opposed to your local machine/a local VM
<anew>
what?
<anew>
for a website?
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<jhass>
yes?
<anew>
it's for a website
<anew>
i need to host it on the shared hosting
<jhass>
developing a website != hosting a website
<anew>
well when i'm done developing i need to put it on here
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<zenspider>
jhass: good luck. I already went down this route
<jhass>
how does that shared hosting allow to host Ruby applications? Passenger or can you configure a reverse proxy to your own application server?
<anew>
does shared hosting not allow ruby apps ?
<jhass>
zenspider: I think I got them to actually answer questions now ;)
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<jhass>
anew: shared hosting is not clearly enough defined for that assertion, some do, in some way, others don't
<zenspider>
shevy: I'm gonna have to agree with jhass... if they haven't shown the experience necessary to take your advice and just run with it, it's a bad suggestion. "Compiling from source is done all the time, every time" is a false assertion
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<anew>
ok well i am trying to install it on this shared hosting to host the app
<zenspider>
it most obviously is NOT done "all the time, every time"
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<zenspider>
and certainly NOT by complete newbs. we want them to succeed. not walk away in frustrated disgust
<jhass>
anew: try to find the answer to my last question, if the answer is neither your goal is not achievable
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<zenspider>
yes, they need to learn this at some point, but what's wrong with keeping the bar as low as possible?
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<anew>
i dont evne understand what your asking
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<anew>
ruby is for making apps
<anew>
i need to put this app on the shared hosting
<anew>
i dont see what is the problem with that
<anew>
or what is abnormal with that
<shevy>
I thought you were going to help him jhass
<zenspider>
the problem is that you chose an app (which I assume you didn't develop) that requires a version of ruby that your shared host doesn't have... and doesn't give you the power to upgrade
<jhass>
Ruby web applications are run in a couple of different ways, all of them need some support by the shared hosting environment
<anew>
what i'm trying to do is make that upgrade zenspider
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<zenspider>
if you're not actually developing the app, just putting some code up somewhere... then our questions about why you're not developing locally are moot
<jhass>
anew: and I'm trying to figure out if you're even able to in that environment (there's a good chance you aren't)
<anew>
ok so how can i figure out if i can in this environment
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<jhass>
by figuring out if and if so how that host supports hosting ruby web applications
<anew>
it says here i should be able to run gem install rails -v 3.0.11 --no-rdoc --no-ri
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<anew>
to install 3.0.11
<anew>
but it does not
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<anew>
after running this and checking ruby version it's still 1.9.3
<jhass>
rails != ruby
<zenspider>
ruby 1.9.3... rails 3.0.11... they're different things
<jhass>
rails is a framework for web applications written in Ruby
<zenspider>
shevy: instead of trolling jhass... try answering my questions/concerns
<shevy>
zenspider what for?
<anew>
hmmm
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<anew>
ruby gems = ruby ?
<jhass>
gems are libraries for ruby
<zenspider>
for starters, to show that you're not just being a trolling ass? or so we can understand your viewpoint better? or just to distract you so jhass has a better chance of making headway with anew?
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<shevy>
zenspider ah name calling. Let's see if the policy applies to you as well
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<zenspider>
shevy: if the policy applies to me, then it certainly applies to this: "<shevy> I thought you were going to help him jhass" -- that's just antagonistic, plain and simple
<shevy>
zenspider ok so you compare "antagonistic" to "trolling ass"?
<zenspider>
I asked legitimate questions of you and shot down your points... you chose not to address any of that. with "what for?"
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<zenspider>
have fun with that. I'm done with you
<shevy>
You did nothing but sidestep the issue. And I was answering to jhass' question, not your question.
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<zenspider>
anew: byebug is a ruby debugger... it isn't needed for a rails deploy
<zenspider>
it is only needed for rails development
<zenspider>
what are you trying to deploy?
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<jhass>
anew: I don't think this changes the Ruby version passenger (which would actually run your site) would use, so you can't change the Ruby version over there
<anew>
i'm following it now
<anew>
i think it will work
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<jhass>
it'll work for the stuff you run over the shell, I have strong doubts it'll change the Ruby version passenger will use to run your site
<zenspider>
jhass: part 2 of that blog says how to switch passenger over
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<zenspider>
it's a lot of work tho :)
<jhass>
zenspider: I skimmed through part 2 three times now, can't see where it switches
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<jhass>
and I have my doubts it'll read the PATH from a users .bashrc
<zenspider>
oh. I just assumed it was PassengerAppRoot /home/username/names and it running `rails s` using the version of ruby specified in the gemfile
<zenspider>
ie, the binstubs
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<jhass>
nope, passenger is an application server, not a process manager & reverse proxy
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<jhass>
and only Passenger 4 introduced multiple Ruby version support at all
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<zenspider>
*nod* yeah. I don't see the glue either
<zenspider>
their output implies it is working, but doesn't actually show that passenger uses the right thing at all
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<jhass>
yeah
<zenspider>
tho the first comment implies otherwise
<zenspider>
"I followed your directions and was able to get ruby 2.1.1 and Rails 4.1.0 installed on my server."
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<jhass>
tbh they might even think they're running that with that configuration
<zenspider>
hah. and the 3rd (4th?) says it doesn't work. so who knows
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<zenspider>
Your Ruby version is 1.9.3, but your Gemfile specified 2.1.2 (Bundler::RubyVersionMismatch)
<zenspider>
<zenspider>
<zenspider>
yeah. I think it is screwed
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<zenspider>
ok. I'm confuzored... I'm still trying to fix my DRb error... I have an exception wrapping an exception that has an ivar of bindings. bindings aren't serializable so it goes boom
<GaryOak_>
Is there a way to spawn off a thread, and not worry about what happens to it, and return from the function before the Thread finishes?
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<zenspider>
so... my first thought was to map it over to arrays of strings
<jhass>
anew: so, if you still want to proceed with bluehost, try undoing what that guide suggested and remove byebug from the Gemfile
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<zenspider>
GaryOak_: very much so
<zenspider>
it doesn't guarantee that it'll finish before the process does
<jhass>
and keep in mind that you're working with outdated possibly unsupported stuff
<zenspider>
1.9.3 is officially unsupported
<zenspider>
my next thought was to map the errors over, and where I have one of these to replace it with a new RuntimeError w/ the message and backtrace
<zenspider>
but... voodoo seems to occur
<zenspider>
the ivar seems to have jumped from the old exception to the new RuntimeError
<jhass>
GaryOak_: only issue might be your main thread exiting too early
<anew>
~/.bashrc well i get here and get permission denied
<anew>
so i guess this is not possible on bluehost
<zenspider>
:@bindings -- as if by magic, is on my new RuntimeError
<anew>
argh
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<GaryOak_>
jhass: it's hits a wait, eventually so that's not an issue
<GaryOak_>
will ruby only kill the child thread if the main thread gets killed?