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<pontiki>
hi o/
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<shevy>
hey pontiki
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<pontiki>
hi shevy
<shevy>
ready for mischief again?
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<pontiki>
always!
<ianchentw>
What would you guys recommend for a first time user of a testing framework
<ianchentw>
Minitest or RSpec
<shevy>
ianchentw with minitest you could ask zenspider here lots of questions :D
<shevy>
I myself have no idea... testing always was so much less fun than creating things
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<pontiki>
either is okay. minitest is probably better to start with.
<Coraline>
minitest is less DSL and more Ruby
<Coraline>
I only use Rspec because I have already used it for so many years
<pontiki>
tho it also has dsl
<ianchentw>
shevy: thanks
<ianchentw>
I see thanks guys
<pontiki>
i used rspec because it was more readable and descriptive, and i liked it better than Test::Unit. now it's so far down the line it's hard to switch
<pontiki>
plus all the work projects i've been on for the past several years used rspec
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<renodice>
Hello. I have a question.
<Coraline>
Go ahead caller.
<shevy>
hmm I also have a question
<pontiki>
lol
<pontiki>
you're next, next caller
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<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
via $stdin.gets we get user input... and via hitting enter, this is normally ended
<renodice>
I'm new to ruby(3 months of coding) and i was wondering if there is a way to develope a browser based desktop app
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<renodice>
Using browser and a sqlite to do things
<shevy>
is there a way to somehow send an enter event, when pressing certain other keys, or key combinations? the reason, I want to react on ctrl + arrow keys pressed, and in only these (4) cases, the user interrupt should be ended, without the user required to hit enter
<renodice>
instead of a gui
<renodice>
With a minimal server running localy
<renodice>
locally
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<pontiki>
renodice: i've used rails and sinatra to that a few times
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<Ox0dea>
shevy: You can't intermix raw and buffered input, no.
<shevy>
:(
<Ox0dea>
Are you sure it's what you'd want?
<shevy>
now I am depressed
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<Ox0dea>
shevy: The ANSI escape codes for handling mouse events work by writing to stdin.
<Ox0dea>
Maybe look into how that magic happens.
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<shevy>
nono not mouse, just arrow keys
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<shevy>
I assume you mean that I have to dig into the C
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<Ox0dea>
shevy: You asked about simulating the user pressing Enter?
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<shevy>
well, yeah, if like shift + arrow key is hit, it would automatically assume that enter was pressed afterwards, but only for those 4 events specified
<renodice>
<pontiki> I'm intrested in sinatra. Can i deploy sinatra locally and define a folder for static pages?
<pontiki>
of course you can, you're essentially doing it when you're developing
<shevy>
Ox0dea I think I will make this my first real C project
<renodice>
<pontiki> Thanks
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<Ox0dea>
renodice: The :public_folder option defaults to "public".
<Ox0dea>
And then there's those ANSI escape sequences which *do* write directly to the current process's stdin for being picked up in a read loop to determine where the user used their mouse in the terminal.
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<shevy>
hmm
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<Ox0dea>
Writing to stdin is just about the weirdest thing ever, but it kind of makes sense that it's the only sensible way to provide that information.
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<shevy>
computers are strange
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<dravine>
Ox0dea: is this command line or some gui lib?
<Ox0dea>
dravine: What's "this"?
<dravine>
oh sorry I think I meant to ask shevy
<dravine>
the hotkey questions
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<Ox0dea>
shevy is writing a TUI of some kind.
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<Ox0dea>
The middle ground between CLI and GUI, more or less.
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<dravine>
like curses?
<dravine>
shevy: why not curses?
<Ox0dea>
Might be overkill?
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<dravine>
would suspect the curses C interface would have better control over keyboard events
<dravine>
idk, bit of a left field question :)
<dravine>
those always seem to be the most fun
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<Ox0dea>
dravine: curses still heavily relies on terminfo, which is little more than a convenient "database" of which escape sequences do what for a given terminal emulator.
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<dravine>
well good luck, sounds like it’s gonna be tricky
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<ruby-lang244>
hi everybody. can someone tell me that should i pass a method as the default value of another method or not?
<ruby-lang244>
default value of the parameters of another method to be exact
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<c_nick>
How to distinguish an array of array from an array
<Ox0dea>
c_nick: foo.any? { |f| f.is_a? Array }
<renodice>
<ruby-lang244> As long the first metod returns a value, you could. If the value of first method will change, the second method will change too.
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<Ox0dea>
c_nick: Alternatively, Array#flatten! will return nil if the Array was already "flat"; that is, did not contain any Arrays.
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<shevy>
dravine I dunno, curses always was very unfun :(
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<shevy>
there are some cool things one can built with it, htop is one of my favourites
<shevy>
*build
<dravine>
<3 htop
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<dravine>
I haven’t done any curses stuff in Ruby
<dravine>
fairly new to it actually
<dravine>
~6 months
<c_nick>
Ox0dea, ok
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<c_nick>
Ox0dea, flatten wont return nil
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<Ox0dea>
c_nick: No, only #flatten!
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<Ox0dea>
Which will also modify the Array in-place, mind.
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<Ox0dea>
c_nick: If you know that your Array of Arrays will only contain Arrays and not singletons, you can just check that the first element is an Array.
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<c_nick>
Ox0dea, yes i can run a look for any? and check if there is an array in the array if not i can do the exception stuff
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<Ox0dea>
c_nick: What "exception stuff"?
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<c_nick>
viz. ['PL35785','ZLN'] now i will check if this comprises an array which is false so in that case i will print the elements of the array for the user
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<c_nick>
Ox0dea, the code works for array of arrays only.. they did not handle the case when the input is just an array
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<c_nick>
This is what i cooked up, arr.each { |element| str += "%25s %s\n" % element if element.is_a? Array }
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<Ox0dea>
c_nick: if/== > unless/!=, in my opinion.
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<c_nick>
Ox0dea, ?
<c_nick>
you mean use unless over if
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<jcutrell>
j472602
<jcutrell>
6913lmF
<jcutrell>
9bNCfK
<jcutrell>
Very sorry folks.
<nofxx>
hm, there's a yml translate tool here that changes yaml: "foo: baz" to ""foo": >-\n baz" any reason for this '>-' (operator?) in yaml?
<nofxx>
and new line.... files get lines doubled
<jcutrell>
Question for anyone who is versed in the subject — is there much of a difference between attr_reader and putting attr_accessor after the `private` keyword in ruby?
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<c_nick>
jcutrell, if u only need variables accessible within your class methods
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<c_nick>
More like an Oops Questions
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<Ox0dea>
c_nick: I used '>' there to indicate "is better than" or "should be preferred over".
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<Ox0dea>
That is, `if str.length == 0` is clearer than `unless str.length != 0`, in my opinion.
<jcutrell>
c_nick in other words, @foo.something wouldn’t be accessible if the attr_accessor is private, even as a reader.
<Ox0dea>
Even better would be `if str.empty?`, though.
<jcutrell>
c_nick that’s a decent distinction to be made. If the attribute is intended only to be used by internal methods.
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<c_nick>
Ox0dea, makes sense i will update that to if .. besides if over if ! is one operation (negation) less
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<c_nick>
jcutrell, indeed
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<Ox0dea>
c_nick: == and != are both one instruction at the assembly level, for what that's worth.
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<Ox0dea>
But yeah, `if str.empty?` is definitely to be preferred over `unless str.length != 0`.
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<cscheib>
ok, I'm scratching my head over this... trying to do some basic exercises, in this case decimal to binary... I'm trying to figure out how this example worked (it's someone else's): https://gist.github.com/cscheib/1d066a51e0baa42141f6
<cscheib>
a) what is the "2" doing to the result after the to_s in line 2
<brunops>
can I define method_missing for nil? lol
<Ox0dea>
brunops: Stop that.
<baweaver>
?xy
<ruboto>
it seems like you are asking for a specific solution to a problem, instead of asking about your problem. This often leads to bad solutions and increases frustration for you and those trying to help you. More: http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/66378
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<brunops>
I thought monads would be the answer, but the last `.value` is kind of a deal breaker
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<ElSif>
people have been typing elsif a lot today
<ElSif>
i wonder why?
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<agent_white>
Evenin'
<ElSif>
hello :)
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<Ox0dea>
ElSif: That's precisely why you chose this nick, though, no?
<Ox0dea>
Random pings are best pings.
<ElSif>
kinda yea :)
<Ox0dea>
forgot and suffice are crazy.
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<ElSif>
i can only imagine
<sevenseacat>
g probably gets a lot too.
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<ElSif>
if you did letter highlighting i suppose 'e' would be the most spammed... so long as this stays in western characters
<ElSif>
but who does letter highlighting??
<sevenseacat>
well if you type e.g. you hit the user g
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<nofxx>
~> x.y.z will enforce x.y right?
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<shevy>
yeah
<ElSif>
so many ways to spam yourself :D
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<sirhcjw>
can someone please tell me what I should use instead of mod_ruby to use ruby with apache?
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<sirhcjw>
it seems mod_ruby is no more
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<sevenseacat>
passenger.
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<sirhcjw>
ok I saw that popping up but was not really sure if that was a drop in replacement
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<[spoiler]>
sirhcjw: it's not really a drop in replacement, it's better
<[spoiler]>
You *don't* want a a drop in replacement, because then you get a lot of the problems PHP has
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<sirhcjw>
ok cool
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<sirhcjw>
things have changed a bit since i did my last reby web dev 6 years ago :)
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<baweaver>
could always look into others like Unicorn and Puma as well, though Passenger plays nicer with Apache.
<baweaver>
Then again people are tending towards NginX now.
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<brunops>
Can I define method_missing for a Hash instance (instead of extending the Hash class or defining a new class that inherits it?)
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<shevy>
you can define that method for every object
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<shevy>
if it operates on a per-object basis, it is usually called a Singleton
<[spoiler]>
brunops: easiest is probably `def object_reference.method_name ...`
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<shevy>
hungry hungry beaver
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<baweaver>
So what exactly are you trying to do anyways?
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<baweaver>
because whenever method_missing comes up, chances are high it's a bad idea.
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<[spoiler]>
baweaver: meta programming madness!
<brunops>
baweaver: I want to parse a config file and create an object with two levels of configs. But I want it to be able to answer: obj.foo => { :a => 1 }; obj.foo.a => 1; obj.bar => nil; obj.bar.sup => nil
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<brunops>
last use case seems impossible, so I'm punting on that
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<brunops>
but besides this, I want to be able to access it like obj.foo['a'] or obj[:foo][:a], or any permutations
<baweaver>
parse it as json, just use hash accessors
<baweaver>
won't happen in ruby without horrendous hacks
<brunops>
I already have it parsed and in the format of { :a => 1, :b => { :aa => 2, :bb => 3 } } etc
<brunops>
A symbolized hash
<[spoiler]>
the best you could do is create your own class and pass the hash as a constructir
<[spoiler]>
erm
<[spoiler]>
to the constructor/initialize
<brunops>
yes, that's pretty much what I'm ending up doing, let me go a gist
<Ox0dea>
brunops: It's no less potentially painful than Chef's implementation, mind, which even comes with a warning against its use from the authors.
<Ox0dea>
All told, you're just doing The Wrong Thing.
* Radar
scrolls up and sees that brunops is committing a cardinal sin.
* Radar
prepares the holy water and salt
<agent_white>
Radar: -- Heard through the grapevine about the final R4iA release. Thank you, sevenseacat, and other folks for the work to help me learn. Looking forward to having the parchment in hand :)
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<sevenseacat>
agent_white: youre welcome :) and I am also looking forward to receiving a hard copy!
<Ox0dea>
R4iA is being released on parchment paper?! Isn't that a lot more expensive?
<Radar>
agent_white: It is true that it happened :D
<Radar>
Ox0dea: Yes and yes.
<sevenseacat>
that would explain the cost
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<Radar>
Ox0dea: It's also *much* harder to update those copies than their electronic counterparts.
<Radar>
Believe me, I've tried!
* sevenseacat
opens Trello board and moves R4IA from "Doing" to "Done"
<agent_white>
sevenseacat / Radar: Thank you guys for your hard work! Me, or _we_, appreciate it :)
<Radar>
agent_white: Tell your friends!
<agent_white>
s/guys/both -- or... I dunno who else have worked on it!
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<sevenseacat>
appreciate the clarification there :)
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<brunops>
Ox0dea: sure, I'm not saying it's a good idea to have objects behaving like this, it's just what the exercise is about...
<agent_white>
:)
<Radar>
agent_white: sevenseacat, Steve Klabnik and myself did the work.
<Radar>
Yehuda did.. um... provided moral support from afar?
<sevenseacat>
dammit I put it in the "Done" pile in April. ffffuuu.
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<sevenseacat>
Radar: he was our spiritual leader, or something.
<Radar>
yeah, taht
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<agent_white>
Radar: Ahhh! I was wondering about that... I wasn't sure about Klab and Yehuda since I never spoke to them here (or did not know if I did). But you both have been phenominal. Thank you!
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<Radar>
they have ascended to higher channels :P
<baweaver>
You mean the one where they point at less senior people and say "have that sucker write it." ?
<baweaver>
:P
<Radar>
baweaver: You have just explained my ideal job :P
<baweaver>
Venture Capitalist or CEO?
<sevenseacat>
well they went on to create their own languages and frameworks, so
<baweaver>
Oh I know I know.
<sevenseacat>
Radar: what're we gonna build
<shevy>
they left #ruby :(
<Radar>
sevenseacat: oh nothing that impressive, just an army of coders who have learned from our books.
<wpp>
canton7 Oh sorry about that, had replaced the url. But I figured my problem I had copied the '@' from the url version to password...Still early in the morning :)
<wpp>
canton7 but thanks for having a look!
<wpp>
canton7 and I just did right now, was just about to post in here.
<[spoiler]>
yorickpeterse: hi <3></3>
* [spoiler]
waits to get slapped with parse.y
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<atmosx>
morning
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slaps [spoiler] around with a crushing student debt
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<[spoiler]>
That works too
* [spoiler]
silently sobs
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<yorickpeterse>
:D
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<zenspider>
RAWR! yay yay yay... finally conquered a nasty c-extension monster
<agent_white>
\o/
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<jhass>
did you kill it? freed the world from some C code?
<zenspider>
meanwhile the rocker on my left control key is dying... maybe I'll finally transition to using capslock as control. :P
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<zenspider>
jhass: quite the opposite. got Hoe working better with rake-compiler and transitioned a dependency I was using to a complete C rewrite locally
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<jhass>
:(
<zenspider>
went from 4300 lines of C to 471
<zenspider>
with almost the same amount of functionality (working on the rest)
<agent_white>
zenspider: I'm still waiting for when I want to do that... I've heard good things about doing so :)
<agent_white>
Holy moley.
<zenspider>
exact: 20 files -> 1, 4500 loc -> 471
<zenspider>
time to compile is way down
<zenspider>
it's a win across the board
<agent_white>
Nice :)
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<jhass>
a win for C
<zenspider>
I don't have all the functionality back, but I've mainly been focusing on bootstrapping into a cleanroom impl against a basic demo script
<jhass>
is it a win for humanity?
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<zenspider>
and I've dropped an LGPL dependency
<zenspider>
well... the hope is that I wind up with an easy to install gem that newbs can use to quickly visualize easy-to-write simulations
<zenspider>
not quite there yet, but I'm zeroing in on it
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<zenspider>
and now that I control the C, I can actually wrap all the drawing primitives that the old dependency didn't bother to
<zenspider>
AND!!! real math for all drawing routines
<zenspider>
eg: regular trig works
<zenspider>
so newbs don't need to learn a whole new way of thinking about it. just use gradeschool coordinate system and it'll wrok
<zenspider>
work
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<Takumo>
Hi all, any suggestions for tracking down performance issues in a Rack API?
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<yorickpeterse>
Profile it
<Takumo>
(REST API built on Rack)
<Takumo>
Well yes, but most of the profiling tools seem to interfere with the output of the app, ideally I want to be able to profile an app while its being used
<Takumo>
as its only under certain use cases where the problems happen
<yorickpeterse>
You'd have to use some sort of service like New Relic, or whatever FOSS equivalents there might be (if any)
<zenspider>
I thought there was a rack middleware for profiling ... I've not used it tho
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<yorickpeterse>
Most other solutions that use ruby-prof, perftools, Ruby's built-in profiler, etc, are not suitable for production
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<zenspider>
iirc, tenderlove mentioned it
<yorickpeterse>
since they tend to slow things down to a crawl
<yorickpeterse>
zenspider: there are a few
<yorickpeterse>
e.g. one uses perftools.rb, one uses ruby-prof
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<Takumo>
yorickpeterse: indeed, I have newrelic on it atm but its not giving me much info
<Takumo>
just showing me that I have a problem
<zenspider>
perftools is sampling, so it shouldn't affect performance too badly
<zenspider>
Takumo: perftools (and prolly others) also provide the ability to wrap a block of code for profiling, so you can push it down to specific areas you want to measure
<zenspider>
I need to go to bed tho... good luck
<Takumo>
zenspider: that's pretty much what I need I think
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<Takumo>
this API's response time grows quite quickly with input size
<yorickpeterse>
Takumo: if you already use New Relic I'd start with that
<apeiros>
it can return nil, deleting your substring
<maasha>
apeiros: sure
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<Ox0dea>
apeiros: It actually raises a TypeError.
<apeiros>
ah, good
<apeiros>
then at least you'd notice the bug a bit earlier
* apeiros
also prefers str[10,11] over str[10..20]
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<apeiros>
but that's personal preference, I guess. and it also somewhat depends on the situation. sometimes I do feel that offset..offset is better suited than offset, length
<apeiros>
other than that, same answer as Ox0dea :)
<maasha>
Ox0dea: so I can safely assume that this is quite efficient.
<Ox0dea>
Sure, why not? :P
<apeiros>
IMO if you look for efficiency at that level, you might be using the wrong language
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<maasha>
Ox0dea: always suspicious :o)
<maasha>
apeiros: ruby is actually quite ok with a bit of inline C here and there.
<Ox0dea>
maasha: For what it's worth, you can use String#replace to modify the original in-place however you'd like.
<Ox0dea>
Almost certainly overkill, though.
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<apeiros>
maasha: it's mostly ok even without inline C. but mostly because most problems don't care whether your program is 2-10x slower than an impl. in C could be.
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<Ox0dea>
That 10 was generous. :P
<apeiros>
Ox0dea: if your algorithm isn't linear or less complex, it can quickly go way beyond 10 ;-)
<maasha>
right, thanks, back to hacking ...
<[spoiler]>
apeiros, Ox0dea: oh yes, yes it can :(
<apeiros>
O(n^3) algorithm? ruby only needs to be 3x slower on the baseline to be 27x slower overall…
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<apeiros>
a=x # works
<apeiros>
a,*=x # no works :(
<apeiros>
must be `a,* = x`
<apeiros>
(makes sense, of course, due to *= being a thing)
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<jhass>
so we can claim to be a whitespace significant language after all!
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<workmad3>
jhass: pretty much every language can claim to be whitespace significant at that sort of level ;)
<Ox0dea>
Whitespace is, by definition, the most whitespace-significant language of them all.
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<apeiros>
in irc, are there any other ways you've seen people address other people than: "NICK, …", "NICK: ", "@NICK …", "<NICK> …"?
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<livcd>
apeiros: hm just "?"
<Zarthus>
apeiros: nick without separator
<apeiros>
livcd, Zarthus: can you make an example please?
<wnd>
back in the 90s I also observed "-> <nick> ..."
<[k-_>
"..." as well
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<Zarthus>
apeiros: "apeiros what's up"
<tobiasvl>
apeiros – there are many other separators people could use to address people
<jhass>
apeiros: I've been hastagged a couple of times
<[k-_>
"NiC ..." as well
<jhass>
*hash
<apeiros>
Zarthus: ah, just a space as separator. ok.
<apeiros>
yeah, have that. forgot to list it :D
<jhass>
do this, apeiros
<Zarthus>
apeiros: Also the ones that address the people at the end
<jhass>
(also without ,
<Zarthus>
example shown above
<apeiros>
hashtagged… people… srsly… :-S
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<Zarthus>
apeiros: also addressing multiple people at once
<apeiros>
-> <wnd> like this?
<apeiros>
<wnd> or like this?
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<[k-_>
the quotes are there for a reason
<Ox0dea>
Don't forget about the birds, @apeiros.
<apeiros>
Ox0dea: that one was in my list ;-)
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<Zarthus>
apeiros: Also some bots address responses with '(nick) result'
<Ox0dea>
apeiros: Use \b and damned be the symbol-havers.
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<jhass>
you'll probably be unable to distinguish "you should ask apeiros" from "please help me apeiros", so not sure it's worth distinguishing mentions from addressing at all
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<apeiros>
I only consider nicks at the beginning of a message
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<Zarthus>
you're considering it wrong
<apeiros>
I'm not worried about missing a couple of addressed messages because they have the nick in the middle or at the end
<apeiros>
Zarthus: feel free to improve it once it's done ;-)
<Zarthus>
nicks at the end are quite common and shouldn't be hard to do :P
<apeiros>
because "do" is a valid nickname, you see
<apeiros>
as is "see"
<Zarthus>
if you have a list of nicknames in the channel you can see if they're in there
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<Ox0dea>
apeiros: Wouldn't it be easiest to just ask a TLA for universal IRC logs so that you could query the nicklist at any given time to determine that somebody has been addressed?
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<apeiros>
o0
<apeiros>
no
<Ox0dea>
No?
<sevenseacat>
lol
<wnd>
-> <apeiros> like this
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<apeiros>
wnd: oh wow, never seen that. that's a lot of typing… (the "-> ")
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<apeiros>
people really typed that? OO
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<Ox0dea>
wnd: That's precariously close to something members of a certain unpleasant sector of the hidden Web use to covertly identify each other.
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<Zarthus>
back in ye ole days without tabcompletion
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<haylon>
If I'm composing an email using Net-Smtp, can I do this kind of substitution in the message body? #{array.each{|name| "name"}}
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<Ox0dea>
haylon: Please clarify.
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<haylon>
I have an array of host names I'm trying to send an email, but instead of them being all in one line, I'd like htem to have a carriage return after each host name. I thought of doing a substitution like that in the message body of my email
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<Ox0dea>
>> lambda { |x, y| }.method(:call).arity # Sou|cutter, this is slightly more interesting, and indeed might be a bug.
<Sou|cutter>
I suppose it's foolish to check arity on callables since a method, a lambda, and a proc can return different things
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<Ox0dea>
Sou|cutter: Why's that relevant? Method, UnboundMethod, Proc, and Proc (lambda) are indeed different things.
<Ox0dea>
haylon: array.join("\r"), no?
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<haylon>
Genius! I'll give that a whack
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<Sou|cutter>
Ox0dea: if your interface accepts callables, you can't verify arity of the callables and fail fast with an ArgumentError - you just have to wait to call it and see if it blows up
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<Ox0dea>
Sou|cutter: Granted.
<Ox0dea>
I still think it's weird that lambdae lie about their arity.
<Ox0dea>
I vaguely recall this having come up on the issue tracker a few weeks ago.
<Sou|cutter>
yeah, that is totally weird
<banisterfiend>
Ox0dea it's probably cos they just have one standard call method, otherwise they'd have to redefine the call method for each lambda, or put some hack in there
<banisterfiend>
and anyway shouldn't you be checking arity on the callable rather than the #call method itself?
<Ox0dea>
It sort of looks like one of Bob Ross's mountains turned on its side.
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<Ox0dea>
If Bob Ross painted from the deepest confines of Hell, mind.
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<pontiki>
no happy little trees
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<Ox0dea>
pontiki: The whole thing is one big happy tree. :P
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<pontiki>
not so happy
<Ox0dea>
No, more of a weeping willow, really.
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<failshell>
im using sinatra in my app. when i try to turn on thin, i get the following stacktrace: https://gist.github.com/failshell/c05c4a6a1654d75bfda6. disable thin resolves the issue. but i need thin for streaming support
<failshell>
any idea what's wrong?
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<sevenseacat>
how did you 'turn on thin'?
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<failshell>
sevenseacat: by using set :server. 'thin'
<failshell>
in my code
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<sevenseacat>
right, so you're not actually including thin in your app
<sevenseacat>
add it to your Gemfile
<sevenseacat>
try again
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<failshell>
sevenseacat: ah man. that solved it. thanks!
<failshell>
i knew it had to be something stupid
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<sevenseacat>
np :)
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<radens>
Silly question: I have access to a module called YARD::Templates::Helpers::HtmlHelper and I want to call the htmlify method in that module. This doesn't work: YARD::Templates::Helpers::HtmlHelper.htmlify
<radens>
What's the right way to do this?
<Ox0dea>
radens: You need an instance of HtmlHelper on which to call that instance method.
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<radens>
Ox0dea: HtmlHelper is a module not a class
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<radens>
Can you make an instance of a module?
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<Ox0dea>
Indeed not.
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<Ox0dea>
radens: You'll want to `include` HtmlHelper.
<Ox0dea>
You could do so on an anonymous Module if you're only interested in being able to invoke that particular method.
<cscheib>
(sorry, gist keeps eating my formatting)
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<Ox0dea>
cscheib: Stop using hard tabs! :(
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<Ox0dea>
cscheib: String#tr is your friend here.
<cscheib>
Ox0dea: yea, that's github.
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<Ox0dea>
cscheib: Nope.
<Ox0dea>
GitHub stores what you tell it to.
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<cscheib>
them atom or something's hard inserting them with its auto-indent
<cscheib>
never had an issue before
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<cscheib>
this is code that's been copied back and forth between an "exercise" site a number of times
<cscheib>
(codewars)
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<Ox0dea>
Are you being instructed to approach this problem in some particular way?
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<cscheib>
nah
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<cscheib>
looking intio string#tr
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<cscheib>
that particular method of doing things mostly just comes from having done similar things in a similar way in the past
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<cscheib>
I know I could always create a new string and append the translation on the end as I go
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<Ox0dea>
Well, that you're aware of that mistake is as decent a starting point as any. Give yourself a light rap on the wrist and become greater than your former self. :)
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<cscheib>
Ox0dea: believe me, most of the time I know there's a better way, I just don't know the particular methods that'll help me accomplish it another way :P but, eventually, they'll be beaten into my mind eventually
<cscheib>
s/eventually$//
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<Ox0dea>
cscheib: "Familiarity breeds contempt" doesn't apply to the standard library. :)
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<cscheib>
heh
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<cscheib>
hrmph, don't think .tr is exactly what I wanted, but I found a solution using a gsub block that seems to do what I want... just need to figure out exactly what's occurring
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<cscheib>
basically it matches position, or assumes last position
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<radens>
/join #osuosl-dev
<radens>
oops, sorry
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<Ox0dea>
/set weechat.prevent_mishaps auto
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<apeiros>
Ox0dea: does that also auto /part when you accidentally /join #php ?
<Ox0dea>
apeiros: It auto /exits.
<Ox0dea>
Negative reinforcement and all that.
<apeiros>
ooooh, clever
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<Porfa>
hello guys! :)
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<apeiros>
hi lady
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<Porfa>
I'm need to cross help, I'm gonna ask something in selenium, even though I'm using ruby + selenium gem, I'm not sure if i should ask here, but here there's HEY THOUSAND users, and in selele there's _a-hundred_
<bricker>
I'm on the edge of my seat!
<eam>
bricker: you're gonna injure your back without proper posture
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<Porfa>
please don't do that, i've grown up from 13 to 19 attached with to a chair and stupid pentiums 133mhz.. that was 13 years ago, and I pay the bill every single say when i need to get out of bed
<Porfa>
I need click this link "f?p=220:530:14604995767411::NO::IDCAMPANHA_DEL:7218" the link changes every time, the only thing that stays put is the fisrt part.. "f?p=220:530:" the rest changes every single time.. so i thogh i could just "driver.find_element(:partial_link_text, "f?p=220:530:").click but it fails :( any other things i can try?
<Porfa>
(cross help in #selenium)
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<agni_dev>
Hi
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<atmosx>
reach and touch faith!
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<tfranco>
exit
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<radens>
So a while ago I cam in here with a question about removing all elements of an array of hashes which satisfy a condition and then putting them at the front of the array. I got a good answer which works for the first element which satisfies the condition, but today I learned that potentially many elements can.
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<radens>
That is, if I have [{...}, {...}, {:name=>'a',...}, {:name=>'a',...},] I want [ {:name=>'a',...}, {:name=>'a',...},{...},{...}]
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<Ox0dea>
radens: You want to bring those to the front and leave the others as they were?
<radens>
yes
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<Ox0dea>
Well, it'd be trivial if Ruby's sort were stable. :/
<cubicool>
Hello everyone! I have a module whose intention is to be 'extended' in a Class definition. This should give the extending Class access to a number of module_methods named 'def_foo, def_bar, def_...'. These methods do something specific to my application, but what I'm missing is the ability to get a Binding instance to the DERVIED class from within a method in the module that defines 'def_foo."
<cubicool>
The binding that is acquired in 'def_foo' is always a Binding object belonging to the module that is being extended, not the extending Class.
<cubicool>
I will try to put a paste up demonstrating.
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<jhass>
cubicool: well, the question what do you need from the binding
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<cubicool>
jhass: It's just necessary for this; at this point, I have a workaround, but its academic. :) I'm curious how I COULD achieve it...
<cubicool>
ExtraMethods::def_foo, I'd like to be able access a Binding instance of SomeClass implicity, without having to make SomeClass pass it explicitly.
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<Ox0dea>
cubicool: If you're sure it's a Binding you want, you'll almost certainly need to use something like binding_of_caller.
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<Ox0dea>
If it turns out you just need access to the class being extended, you can define self.extended on ExtraMethods.
<cubicool>
I was thinking about extended(cls) myself. How would I use that, though...
<jhass>
I don't get what you want from the binding
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<Ox0dea>
I think he wants users of ExtraMethods to be able to define local variables in the base class...
<cubicool>
If possible I'd like to not get hung up on that. I know I do, there's no magic workaround in this case. :)
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<Ox0dea>
You "want" binding_of_caller.
<cubicool>
(In truth, I'm dynamically binding instance methods to an underlying network protocol, similar to how DBUS works, or the old windows COM, etc.)
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<jhass>
sorry but the ?xy smell is too strong here. Binding has only 6 methods, which do you need?
<baweaver>
?xy
<ruboto>
it seems like you are asking for a specific solution to a problem, instead of asking about your problem. This often leads to bad solutions and increases frustration for you and those trying to help you. More: http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/66378
<Ox0dea>
cubicool: Then you can use Module#extended and Class#define_method?
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<jhass>
I bet on #eval and ^ too
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<cubicool>
Lets just please call it academic.This always happens in IRC. Everyone wants to show you a different way, and I respect that (and have some workarounds), but I really want to know this because its bugging me. :)
<jhass>
Okay: you can't. Period.
<cubicool>
Cool, good to kon.
<cubicool>
Er, know. It means I can't easily access other elements of the calling class in that manner.
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<Ox0dea>
cubicool: We're just trying to give you something more than a faster horse.
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<cubicool>
Ox0dea: Is binding_of_caller something I need to create during extended(), or something already I Ruby (which I doubt)?
<jhass>
and it's not about giving you a "different" way
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<jhass>
it's to solve your actual problem
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<Ox0dea>
cubicool: binding_of_caller is a magical gem.
<arup_r>
Enumerable#find is O(n) ?
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<jhass>
binding_of_caller is a hack in a gem useful for debugging but do not use it for production code
<apeiros>
arup_r: yes
<arup_r>
and Hash#[] ?
<apeiros>
O(1)
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<arup_r>
ok
<apeiros>
amortized
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<Ox0dea>
cubicool: Of what "elements of the calling class" do you speak?
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<Ox0dea>
Precious few things are truly inaccessible in Ruby.
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<haylon>
I know, but I have a windows 2003 server I'm trying to limp along with some ideas of mine, but so far, Ruby 2.0.0 32bit doesn't work, and the only thing that does work is the 1.9.3. However, I need a few certain gems, that are only compatible with Ruby 2.*.* or higher
<dman777_alter>
if response.method === "POST" what am I getting wrong number of args for this?
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<havenn>
Oh, >2 not <2, I misread.
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<haylon>
I keep getting the error "The procedure entry point _gmtime64 could not be located in the dynamic link lybrary msvcrt.dll"
<jhass>
dman777_alter: provide more context, what's response?
<Ox0dea>
dman777_alter: You want ==, not ===.
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<Ox0dea>
Coming from JavaScript?
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<baweaver>
=== does very odd things to people from Javascript
<dman777_alter>
ah....lol
<baweaver>
best to avoid explicitly using it
<dman777_alter>
ya
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<havenn>
We want fourquals, we want fourquals!
<havenn>
fivequals is excessive
<dman777_alter>
jhass: it's treating method as a method call... 'in `method'' response.method === "POST"
<dman777_alter>
like response.method()
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<jhass>
well, why wouldn't it
<jhass>
I asked what response is
<dman777_alter>
jhass: error 500 ArgumentError (wrong number of arguments (0 for 1))
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<jhass>
I can just repeat the question if you like: provide more context, what's response?
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<dman777_alter>
jhass: sorry...it's the rails object
<jhass>
?rails dman777_alter
<ruboto>
dman777_alter, Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP
<dman777_alter>
thanks
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<haylon>
So, as I'm reading on GitHub, it seems that the 32bit versions of Rubyinstaller will not work on Windows Server 2003, because of some issue wiht MinGW64 compilation?
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<baweaver>
This smells like a bad idea
<havenn>
haylon: 2003
<haylon>
its what I'm stuck with
<havenn>
Time travelers!
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<Papierkorb>
wow, such security
<jhass>
hah, that's worse than CentOS
<Ox0dea>
dman777_alter: The #method method is defined on "request types", not responses.
<haylon>
yeah, I don't like to dwell on it because if it were up to me, this wouldn't be here
<baweaver>
haylon: define stuck with
<jhass>
I'd say get a $10 VPS somewhere and install a proxy on the windows server :P
<haylon>
It was supposed to be retired 8yrs ago, but is still here, and the software running on it, won't run on anything newer
<baweaver>
for the sake of your sanity I would seriously consider booting a Debian server instead
<dman777_alter>
Ox0dea: thanks!
<haylon>
I cannot
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<haylon>
not my call on that
<jhass>
we won't tell anybody!
<Papierkorb>
baweaver: defined as "oh just keep it it runs fine" until the HDDs die and then the IT is at fault
<baweaver>
there's a certain point when people need to say no and fix things
<baweaver>
this is one such case
<Ox0dea>
Also September-December.
<baweaver>
either that or leave
<haylon>
If I had tha tpower, SecureLink would not be in use.
<jhass>
Ox0dea: wrong context, it's rails ;)
<haylon>
because its anything but secure.
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<Guest96201>
can someone help me with my Gemfile? "ruby '2.1.7'" works, i want it to be 2.1, period - "Your Ruby version is 2.1.7, but your Gemfile specified 2.1" and i can't seem to get a proper syntax to work
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<jhass>
yes, that sadly doesn't work, rbenv's disease spreading there
<jhass>
actually probably only worth it if you have multiple uses, but I'd still separate
<pbrocker>
okat cool thanks!
<pbrocker>
right! don't repeat yourself! no copy and paste!
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<mshadle>
Ox0dea: i am not using any rvm - it is ubuntu trusty (ships with 1.9.1) and brightbox PPA 2.1.7 and using standard update-alternatives to point ruby and related to the 2.1.x packages
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<Ox0dea>
mshadle: Are you currently connected to the Internet?
<mshadle>
hah. yes
<Ox0dea>
Try reinstalling bundler?
<Ox0dea>
That's magically solved this problem for some people, apparently.
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<mshadle>
i install bundler fresh each build :/
<Ox0dea>
Well, shit. :/
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<mshadle>
Your Ruby version is 2.1.7, but your Gemfile specified 2.1
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<miah>
why do you even have the version requirement in your Gemfile?
<mshadle>
good point. we inherited it and i was wanting to keep it pinned to 2.1.x
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<mshadle>
we do some compass compiling and some fontforge stuff. otherwise, nothing fancy
<miah>
if your code _really_ needs to a strict attachmet to ruby, embedd in your gemspec
<mshadle>
i know it works in 2.1.x
<miah>
but generally you don't need that
<mshadle>
ok
<miah>
you can still include your travis requirement
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<mshadle>
we don't have CI for this, just a bash build script. which would be part of what travis or a CI tool would run
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<miah>
then specify your ruby versions there. as long as you provide the runtime your code will probably work unless there is some crazy stuff tied to really specific ruby versions.
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<mshadle>
and that's what i am concerned about. seems like in the past specific versions of fontforge didn't compile something (or compass) - i forget
<miah>
good thing you have travis =)
<miah>
you can setup a buildmatrix and test your code across every version of ruby
<miah>
i used to test my chef stuff against all supported mri versions + rubinius etc.
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<miah>
then you can figure out exactly where your code is failing on specific versions and why
<miah>
at work we just install our ruby verison and name it '2.x.x' in rbenv, and all our code has .ruby-version to use '2.x.x' and so far we haven't hit anything that didnt work
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<dman777_alter>
in ruby, how would I assign {} to body if request.body.read is blank? body = response.body.read || {}
<dman777_alter>
I mean response.body.read
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<drbrain>
dman777_alter: ordinarily isn't it a String?
<jhass>
that's again rather specific to the API you're using, so again ?rails
<dman777_alter>
thanks!
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<mordocai>
Hey everyone! Anyone know of any maintained generative/property based testing frameworks for ruby? The only one I have so far been able to find was https://github.com/arronmabrey/generative which doesn't look actively maintained and doesn't have narrowing.
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<mordocai>
Ox0dea: Ah cool. yeah, that looks like it is in a transition to be more actively developed. Thanks! I'll try it out
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<Ox0dea>
mordocai: Happy to help.
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<AllNamesTaken99>
aa
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<jhass>
hi?
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<AllNamesTaken99>
ok guys I'm stuck in a predicament with nested hashes. I have a table that displays data. This is the code https://gist.github.com/Polyglotting/ac0e98020a4073c94355 everything works when I delete "id_symbol, " from the array
<AllNamesTaken99>
how do I point to my hashes symbols while leaving id_symbol in the array?
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<AllNamesTaken99>
if I delete id_symbol it works if I type name[0][:name] if I leave id_symbol I don't know how to point to things
<jhass>
call to_h after the map
<AllNamesTaken99>
undefined method `to_h' for #<Array:0x007ff9ba386b28>
<jhass>
but you probably should be using strings if it's user (=any kind of external) input
<jhass>
sounds like your Ruby version is old
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<AllNamesTaken99>
it's ruby 2.0.0
<AllNamesTaken99>
will I run into bugs for trying to update the ruby version? I'm using the roo excel gem
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<jhass>
well, that's in maintenance mode, retirement scheduled for February next year ;)
<AllNamesTaken99>
and I don't know if everything will break
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<AllNamesTaken99>
I'm adding upon someone elses code, so I'm not sure if it's safe to update
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<jhass>
me neither, but the 2.x upgrades were pretty painless
<AllNamesTaken99>
ok I'll try, just rename ruby in the gemfile?
<jhass>
anyway, the pre 2.1 version of #to_h is Hash[...]
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<jhass>
but you should consider updating anyway
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<AllNamesTaken99>
thanks jhass
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<jhass>
also
<jhass>
?guys AllNamesTaken99
<ruboto>
AllNamesTaken99, Though inclusion was probably intended, not everyone relates to being "one of the guys". Maybe consider using "folks", "all", "y'all", or "everyone" instead?
<AllNamesTaken99>
are you offended
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<jhass>
it's a simple thing we're asking, take it or leave it
<mordocai>
I use everyone. Nice and neutral.
<wasamasa>
I just omit that part of the sentence
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<mordocai>
Feels weird to me for some reason, but definitely works.
<jhass>
anyway, discussion about it is ?ot ;)
<AllNamesTaken99>
I'm not an ass kisser so I won't bend over and talk how you want me to, it's fine if it makes you bitter
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<AllNamesTaken99>
if you don't associate with guys then you could ignore anyone who says it
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<havenwood>
?ot
<ruboto>
this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related topics. Thanks!
<zenspider>
very specific requirement == very specific regexp
<jhass>
/\AA23\z/
<nerium>
zenspider: It’s a simpleified example
<zenspider>
at that point you might as well s == "A23"
<zenspider>
nerium: overly so.
<jhass>
"match" not "compare"
<zenspider>
jhass: same thing at that point
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<zenspider>
/[^1]23/
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<nerium>
zenspider: (?:(?!\d+).)23
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<zenspider>
that's doesn't fit the requirements of your question
<zenspider>
anyone around here know rake-compiler? I've got a _fairly_ basic setup that works, and then immediately turns around and warns me about having build objects in lib
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<nerium>
zenspider: Yes it does
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<zenspider>
no, it matches more than your requirements
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<nerium>
zenspider: So?
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<apeiros>
zenspider: pearls…
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<zenspider>
before swine?
<jhass>
nerium's vague requirements are going for days now, why do you still bother
<zenspider>
argh. the rocker switch on my control key is dying :(
<apeiros>
jhass: gone
<apeiros>
zenspider: yupp
<zenspider>
this is bad. I haven't typed on a sun type 3 kbd in forever
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<jhass>
apeiros: yes
<jhass>
I said it about them, not to them
<apeiros>
ah, lol
<apeiros>
I see
<apeiros>
didn't even read beyond the nick
<zenspider>
jhass: they're NOT vague. they're incredibly specific and easy to do. :)
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<jhass>
they're vague in the sense of not stating their actual requirements/not providing enough examples to properly represent it
<zenspider>
apparently this person needs a little more pedantry in their life if they're going to grok regexps
<apeiros>
or programming
<apeiros>
after all, programming is arguing with the worlds greatest pedant…
<zenspider>
apeiros: feature request: automute + auto-unmute via a registered question that that user needs to correctly answer. can be testable via ruboto's repl
<jhass>
so they are vague about their requirements, that that leads to a more specific question is not all that relevant
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<apeiros>
zenspider: funny, but I think rather incinerating, no? :)
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<zenspider>
apeiros: win win either way, no?
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<apeiros>
zenspider: source will probably be on github this WE (locked repo at start). shall I ping you? :)
<zenspider>
sure, I guess
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<zenspider>
hrm... ok. it's definitely building in the wrong place and then copying all build artifacts into the staging area under tmp
<zenspider>
IDGI
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<zenspider>
and there is no #rake-compiler
<zenspider>
:(
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<dfockler>
I was reading through the docs, and it looks simple enough
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<zenspider>
theory and practice are the same, in theory...
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<zenspider>
I've got two related problems, but the first of which just seems self contradictory to how they want to do things
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<zenspider>
I think I need to make their makefile a bit more verbose to see what it's actually doing under the covers
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<banisterfiend>
zenspider you are the scholar of the dark armchair, branches and rain hurl themselves against the window of your library
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<zenspider>
> examine books
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<zenspider>
> examine library
<zenspider>
> look around
<zenspider>
damnit... this game sucks
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<zenspider>
now I want to put a zork in #ruby-offtopic
<Coraline>
zenspider: I have a Zork-like in my private channel
<zenspider>
ok. defining $objs was my first error. let rake-compiler handle it. still not sure how to do the sub-library... I'll study nokogiri's system more
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<damoncasale>
Afternoon/evening, folks...
<damoncasale>
Newbie Ruby user here, attempting to maintain existing source code.
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<snockerton>
is there a method to search a string like String.contains?("foo")
<damoncasale>
Getting an error with celluloid: .rvm/gems/ruby-2.1.0/gems/celluloid-0.16.0/lib/celluloid/calls.rb:39:in `check': wrong number of arguments (1 for 0) (ArgumentError)
<zenspider>
snockerton: have you looked at the doco at all?
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<Radar>
snockerton: Yeah there is a method.
<damoncasale>
I've googled and the stack trace doesn't go through listen, compass, etc. so not sure what's going on.
<Radar>
snockerton: It's INCLUDEd in the documentation
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<pragmatism>
snockerton includes?
<pragmatism>
snockerton #includes?
<snockerton>
yea but not for substrings
<snockerton>
F
<Radar>
snockerton: Wat
<pragmatism>
But yeah, read the docs dude.
<Radar>
snockerton: Example please
* snockerton
crawls back under his keyboard.
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<zenspider>
pragmatism: try not to just give an answer, esp for such a low bar. teach them to learn
<pragmatism>
"read the fucking docs".include?("fuck") #=> true
* Radar
enjoys the part where people linked to the docs page
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<zenspider>
damoncasale: how does said existing source declare its dependency on celluloid ?
<damoncasale>
I'm not sure, still trying to find that.
<Coraline>
So I chased an etcd-ruby bug all day, assuming I had done something stupid with Docker, only to find out after experimentation that Net::HTTP can't resolve Docker hostnames like foo.docker
<damoncasale>
It's not listed at all in Gemfile.
<Radar>
damoncasale: Gist your Gemfile please
<damoncasale>
Ok sec.
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<miah>
Coraline: fun =)
<Coraline>
I need this yesterday so it looks like I need to make my own etcd client
<Coraline>
Sigh
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<Coraline>
open-uri works fine
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<zenspider>
which probably implies that resolv.rb works fine too
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<Radar>
2.17.7 is from Feb 2014.
<zenspider>
Radar: upgrading sidekiq can have exactly the same problems
<zenspider>
just closer to the source
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<damoncasale>
Ok, well, I'll try setting the dep to ~> 0.15.0 when I come in tomorrow, and thanks for the help. :)
<damoncasale>
Need to head out.
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<zenspider>
damoncasale: on _celluloid_, not sidekiq
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<zenspider>
ie, you're adding a new dep to lock it in
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<dgarstang>
Been at this for hours. Trying to iterate over ec2 instances with ruby sdk. What do I do with a #<Aws::Resources::Collection:0x007fb53c7454e8>? how do I iterate it? I can't find ANY examples of this
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<zenspider>
dgarstang: what have you tried?
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<zenspider>
... yup
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<dgarstang>
zenspider: instances.each { |x| puts x }
<dgarstang>
zenspider: That barfs
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<baweaver>
barfs what
<dgarstang>
zenspider: I have no idea what to do with a Aws::Resources::Collection object
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<baweaver>
need more details like error messages.
<zenspider>
"barf" is uninformative
<dgarstang>
zenspider: /Users/doug/.chefdk/gem/ruby/2.1.0/gems/aws-sdk-core-2.1.14/lib/aws-sdk-core/param_validator.rb:26:in `validate!': unexpected value at params[:filters][0][:instance_id] (ArgumentError)
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<dgarstang>
line 26 is a comment line for crying out loud
<baweaver>
It's lazy
<baweaver>
Which means the actual error is your filter
<zenspider>
so it has nothing to do with the each? remove the puts and run again
<baweaver>
what's instance_id?
<baweaver>
that'll be it more than likely.
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<dgarstang>
baweaver: If I remove the instances.each { |x| puts x } (which comes after the filter), the error goes away
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<baweaver>
because it's lazy
<baweaver>
the error is still there
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<baweaver>
the second you call any enumeration on it, it'll be back
<dgarstang>
baweaver: i don't know what that means. ruby doesn't proces lines in the order they appear?
* zenspider
sighs
<baweaver>
Lazy means it will not call until you want a value from it
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<zenspider>
baweaver: this one is all yours
* dgarstang
counts to 10 slowly
<baweaver>
zenspider: yeah, I contribute to the sdk
<dgarstang>
ok, it's the filter. if I try and undertsand the rest my blood pressure will just go up
<baweaver>
1.upto(Float::INFINITY).map { |x| x * x } # What would that do?
<dgarstang>
I am curious though how a backtrace that points to a commented line is useful by any definition
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<baweaver>
It crashes from infinite loop because Ruby tries to evaluate the nature of infinity
<baweaver>
"unexpected value at params[:filters][0][:instance_id]"
<baweaver>
seems useful to me
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<baweaver>
>> 1.upto(Float::INFINITY).lazy.map { |x| x * x }.take(10)
<ruboto>
baweaver # => #<Enumerator::Lazy: #<Enumerator::Lazy: #<Enumerator::Lazy: #<Enumerator: 1:upto(Infinity)>>:map>:ta ...check link for more (https://eval.in/427168)
<dgarstang>
baweaver: That's not line 26. Line 26 is further down and a comment line
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<baweaver>
doesn't matter, your error is teh param
<baweaver>
the*
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<dgarstang>
baweaver: fine. I'm still wondering if ruby normally throws errors pointing to commented lines tho?
<baweaver>
I'd have to see the code to tell
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<baweaver>
which would involve delving the sdk's validation
<zenspider>
dgarstang: stfu and listen to baweaver. he's spending his time trying to help you
<baweaver>
trevorrowe will probably see that in the next hour or so to clear that one up
<dgarstang>
lemme try
<baweaver>
past that not sure what to tell you other than it's slightly touchy.
<dgarstang>
hope it works with describe_auto_scaling_groups ...
<baweaver>
though they're so dang backlogged over there it's not exactly surprising
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<dgarstang>
oh wait ^ scrap that
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<dgarstang>
baweaver: seems to work, thanks
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<baweaver>
np, keep an eye on that chat channel to see if there's some black magic there.
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<zenspider>
ok. this is a test... this is only a test. did I replace the scissor switch on my control key properly? yes. it appears so.
<zenspider>
yay. I can type again.
<baweaver>
the quick brown fox leaps along the fence for some stupid reason that I cannot comprehend?
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<zenspider>
is there a way to turn on "verbose mode" with mkmf? jesus this horrible thing is just as opaque as it was when I only had a year or two of ruby
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<baweaver>
> /dev/null
<baweaver>
</snark>
<zenspider>
it's hardcoded. what. the. fuck.
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<baweaver>
zenspider: PR time?
<zenspider>
against mkmf? fuck no. that's voodoo
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<drbrain>
zenspider: V=1 make
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<zenspider>
drbrain: it's not working for me. I have to go tweak the file itself.
<drbrain>
huh
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<drbrain>
I have had issues when building C extensions inside ruby (like socket) with V=1
<drbrain>
it doesn't get passed through for some reason
<zenspider>
it's hardcoded in the makefile via extconf.rb
<zenspider>
and isn't written in a way to default it to env first
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<zenspider>
either way... this thing is driving me nuts
<zenspider>
I can either make it work, or make it do it properly (but not work)
<zenspider>
subdirs are a bitch
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<drbrain>
I could swear V=1 worked once upon a time, but I must be thinking about the root makefile
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<zenspider>
pretty convinced at this point that mkmf is the devil
<zenspider>
it's flattening my paths whether I like it or not