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<montanonic>
Anyone here with experience in both rails and some front-end JS frameworks (Ember or Aurelia in particular)?
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<havenwood>
I've not even heard of Aurelia
<Radar>
montanonic: yes, Rails + React. We're using webpack-rails as a bridge between the two.
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<montanonic>
Radar: at what point do you decide that using a JS framework is worth it?
<montanonic>
Currently the 60k LoC Rails app I'm working on (only been a few weeks on this project) seems capable enough with just JQuery and AJAX
<Radar>
I don't really have an opinion on that one.
<montanonic>
fair enough
<Radar>
I've only ever used JS in a Rails app in a serious context when that's already been setup.
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<montanonic>
Have you worked on large Rails apps with lots of AJAX, reactive updates, and the like, without a JS framework?
<montanonic>
(reactive updates meaning: hey, this thing changed the model, so any views with that model on this page should update without refresh)
<Radar>
montanonic: yes, it was disgusting jQuery code.
<Radar>
Last app I worked FT on had parts done in that kind of code, parts done in Angular and then when Angular fell out of favour, the newest parts were done in React.
<Radar>
It was... interesting.
<Radar>
That old jQuery code was ported to React when ever it became too painful.
<montanonic>
Okay; so far the app I'm working on feels like it's doing fine with just JQ and AJAX, but I don't have experience with a JS framework to compare that too
<montanonic>
Radar: must have been a pretty complex UI then?
<Radar>
Yeah there were complex parts of it, sure.
<montanonic>
I think maybe the reason my work app is doing fine is the layout is extremely standardized; most interactivity uses very similar layouts
<Radar>
sometimes it was just displaying a grid of items on the page. Other times it was "when I decrease the quantity of this item in the cart, the whole cart's prices should be recalc'd)
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<montanonic>
Were you trying to run the calculations for the latter client-side?
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<Radar>
no. The change was sent to the server and it would run the calcs there, then report them back to the UI
<montanonic>
and that ended up being a mess of JQ? or was that example fine?
<Radar>
That was React and it was pretty quick.
<montanonic>
gotcha; thanks
<Radar>
The mess of jQuery was a form that was/is used extensively to create products for this ecommerce site.
<Radar>
Elements would pop in and out depending on what you'd selected from select boxes.
<montanonic>
ah, okay
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<Radar>
Sometimes what would pop-in would be determined client side, sometimes it would be determined server side
<Radar>
The developer who wrote it all no longer worked there and nobody had touched the code in literally years because it was terrifying.
<montanonic>
yikes
<Radar>
I was tasked with rewriting that code into React (my first React project) and wasn't given very good support in doing so and ... well, I don't work there any more.
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<Radar>
But now working on another app with a lot of knowledgeable React people who've got some established best practices and it's just... nice
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<montanonic>
glad things are better for you now; rewriting bad code can be miserably frustrating
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<linduxed>
i just realized that running Timecop.freeze in a test doesn't do anything if your test makes use of popen3 :-(
saneax is now known as saneax-_-|AFK
<linduxed>
since all the stuff that is run in popen3 will be running in a separate ruby instance, with it not caring in the slightest about the timecop stuff
<ytti>
or you don't know how to make good OOP design?
<ruby-lang432>
has i mean i know, but i don't know how to do my own set of program
<ytti>
because latter is subjective
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<ytti>
think of reasonably modest scope of a program you write
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<ytti>
divide it into several steps, start writing program that meets step 1
<ytti>
step 1 could be nothing more than shebang and ensuring script is callable...
<ytti>
but i believe people over-valuate and use lack of perfect document as an excuse not to write
<ytti>
it's far easier to seek answer to specific well defined questions than subjective 'how you program X'
<ruby-lang432>
oh
<ytti>
and if you start writing a program and divide it into small problems, you will organically get lot of small well defined questions, which you can easily find answers to
<ytti>
it'll be time consuming, but that's obviously cost of learning
<ruby-lang432>
just like the code academy i love how they test you on oop
<ruby-lang432>
i love it
<ruby-lang432>
it challenges you to write program like those in code academy
<ruby-lang432>
:)
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<lizard2010>
codewars?
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<Gravious>
codewars!
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<Bish>
when using Regexp.union is there some way to find out which of the regexes did do the match?
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<herwin>
you can add something like (?<identifier>) in the regex, this will add the key identifier to the matchdata-object
<herwin>
but feels like a terrible hack
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<Bish>
herwin: i know, i won't do it :D
<Bish>
is there are clever way to check if 2 ranges intersect?
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<dminuoso>
Bish: I don't think it would even make sense to have a Range#& - manveru's is the closest solution to what you might want.
<canton7>
Bish, just check if one #include?s the start or end of the other
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<dminuoso>
canton7: That's assuming he has a numerical range.
<canton7>
or a character range
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<dminuoso>
canton7: I have enough ranges in my application that would not work with your solution. ;-)
<manveru>
there's also Range#bsearch now
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<canton7>
dminuoso, howso? Maybe I'm missing something. Items in ranges have to implement <=>. If you have <=>, then you can test whether an item lies inside a range
<dminuoso>
canton7: Yeah you are right now that I think about it.
<dminuoso>
canton7: I was thinking about iterators
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<canton7>
dminuoso, wouldn't #include? be more accurate than #cover? here? I'm assuming that the two ranges are of the same type (which makes sense, I think, also given manveru's suggestion)
* dminuoso
shrugfs
<dminuoso>
I think I may be talking nonsense
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<manveru>
can't think of a case where #cover? and #include? would return different results... though #cover? must be faster
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<canton7>
manveru, ("a".."z").cover?("yellow"), vs .include?("yellow")
<Bish>
explaination: i want to have a method of String, that extracts all matches of regexes in a string, and gives me their positional information
<Bish>
while these could overlap, i want the first regex to dominate the second one
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<Bish>
"here is a number: 3 here is a WORD3IN3CAPS".extract_with_regex(/[A-Z\d]+/,/\d+/) <= example
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<herwin>
"while these could overlap, i want the first regex to dominate the second one" So you just want to loop through the regexes and return as soon as one matches?
<Bish>
no, i want to remove ALL matches, to replace them with something else later
<Bish>
so remove all matches, save information where i need to insert text later on, without destroying it
<Bish>
with multiple regexes
<Bish>
kinda like placeholders in strings
<Bish>
also, is there good stuff in ruby to slice suff out of String EXCEPT FOR #slice
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<Bish>
i don't want to s[a...b]+s[b..c]
<Bish>
i don't want to s[a...b]+s[c...d] *
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<mikecmpbll>
Bish : your example would be enhanced with what you expect that to output :p
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<Bish>
mikecmpbll: hm?
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<mikecmpbll>
[10:46:32] <Bish>"here is a number: 3 here is a WORD3IN3CAPS".extract_with_regex(/[A-Z\d]+/,/\d+/) <= example
<mikecmpbll>
an example isn't very useful if we don't know what it's meant to do? unless i'm missing something
<Bish>
yeah output would be here is a number: here is a "
<Bish>
and a map, where to insert stuff
<Bish>
yeah sorry, i know
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<Bish>
mikecmpb_: no, more like this:
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<Bish>
p "here is a number: 3 here is a WORD3IN3CAPS".extract_with_regex(/[A-Z\d]+/,/\d+/) = ["here is a number: here is a ", [{18=>#<MatchData "3">, 29=>#<MatchData "WORD3IN3CAPS">}, {}]]
<Bish>
bit this is still buggy
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<aep_>
anyone knows a helpdesk with good integration into ruby code?
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<manveru>
hmm
<manveru>
Bish: what you're describing is more or less a templating engine
<Bish>
yes
<manveru>
did you think about using StringScanner?
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<wonz>
Hi together
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<wonz>
anybody here who would help me out with sockets and ftp-data transfer?
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<Burgestrand>
?anyone wonz
<ruby[bot]>
wonz: Just ask your question, if anyone has, is or can, they will respond.
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<wonz>
I try to write a FTP client using sockets (in passive mode). So far i managed to get the cmds list, pwd, mkd, rmd, cdup, cwd.
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<wonz>
Now im stuck in uploading(stor)
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<wonz>
i get a "150 Ok to send data." from the server.
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<adam12>
Could it be firewall related? is PASV used for all the commands?
<wonz>
And now i dont now how to send the file
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<wonz>
yeah i use pasv for list, too
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<wonz>
and no, could not be a firewall issue. Client and Server are both running in VirtualBox NAT LAB and Firewalls are disabled. I see opened ports on Client and Server
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<wonz>
has anybody written or knows of a basic ftp client based on socket which i could have a look at? :D
<apeiros>
Net::FTP from the stdlib
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<wonz>
not sure if im able to understand Net::FTP. Im a still a newbie in coding. Something more rudimentary you know of?
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<marchelzo>
does anyone know whay Array#each is implemented in ruby and not C in mruby?
<Papierkorb>
wonz: If you want to learn how to write network code, as first project, FTP is a bit .. Not out of reach, but FTP is clumsy. Other popular protocols that are easier to get started with are HTTP or IRC
<wonz>
Net::FTP == ../net/ftp.rb ?
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<wonz>
thx Papierkorb. I already tried my luck with http and was successfull
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<wonz>
i wrote a simple ruby chat client/server, too
<wonz>
but you are right, ftp is clumsy and perhaps it is yet out of reach
<wonz>
for me
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<Papierkorb>
wonz: I suggest then you implement HTTP or IRC (or some other text-based protocol you like), and then not build a "small test script" with it, but a 'proper' library to make it useful. This way you'll learn not only how sockets work, but also how to structure stuff so that it's actually useful
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<wonz>
@Papierkorb: Some advice which sources/books to read to prepare for that?
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<Papierkorb>
wonz: I don't like books, so can't give you those. I learned most from the Qt framework (architecture wise), but that's C++. You could look at (semi-)popular mid-size gems, like `roda`. Though do know that there are often times no right or wrong, just something that's better for a specific use-case or mindset. Sure there are anti-patterns (these are things you should try to always avoid) which you can learn. I want to encourage you to build stuff
<Papierkorb>
and learn from it. Do things, also do things wrong (anti-patterns). And always think before you write code.
<Papierkorb>
wonz: For example, a consistent API is super important. consistent shit is still better than inconsistent sh.. :)
<Papierkorb>
wonz: The point about doing things wrong is that people can tell you "don't do X", but then you've learned that you shouldn't do it, but you have NOT learned why
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<wonz>
Papierkorb: thx i will have a look at some gems and try to understand them. After that i will try building my own stuff
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<wonz>
nevertheless i am f.. curios what i am doing wrong in my ftp-script ;-)
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<tekeli-li>
Papierkorb, Are those shared values of the ruby community, or just your opinions?
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<Papierkorb>
tekeli-li: I'm not the ruby community, what I say here are always my opinions, which more often than not happen to reflect or be similar to the opinion or views of others in the community
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<elomatreb>
What specifically do you mean? The point about consistency is pretty much valid in all programming contexts
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<tekeli-li>
Just wondering whether I should internalize these ideas to improve my interactions with ruby users.
<tekeli-li>
I have my own biases, of course.
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<Papierkorb>
Well I simply gave won_z some advice which I think is reasonable. S/he may drop it, or try it, and may up ending liking or not liking it. In either case, s/he learned something valuable.
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<tekeli-li>
Specifically: "Do things, also do things wrong (anti-patterns)"
<tekeli-li>
Polar opposite to accepted wisdom in some circles.
<Papierkorb>
tekeli-li: I gave a reasoning on why shortly after
<elomatreb>
Pretty standard practice for learning. If you do something wrong, you understand why it is wrong rather just being told not to do it
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<Papierkorb>
It's like math. You can know that you can multiply a number, or you can know why and how it works, and thus understand what other things you can do with that
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<tekeli-li>
Not standard at all. In some programming communities experimentation is strongly discouraged. If a well tested solution exists, you're expected to use it.
<elomatreb>
Well, for actual/production code the same goes in Ruby
<Papierkorb>
Then I'm happy to not be part of such community
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<Papierkorb>
Yes elomatreb, for prod code this is different.
<Papierkorb>
tekeli-li: Learning and research projects are completely different to production things
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<tekeli-li>
I shall consider these ideas while I study more ruby.
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<ruby-lang535>
Hello from Ukraine
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<empty_cup>
I've come across snippets of code that define object hierarchies in a do block, mostly made out of hashes, is there a term for that practice?
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<centrx>
empty_cup: I would call that nested blocks
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<centrx>
or nested hashes
<centrx>
or DSL as you said
<centrx>
a particular DSL
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<empty_cup>
right, i need to read up on DSLs in general
<empty_cup>
become more familiar with them
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<centrx>
but general concept is called nesting
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<Synthead>
I can assign "a" to a and b by doing a = b = "a". Can I do something similar with += ? i.e. (example that doesn't work!) a += b += "I am appended to a and b"
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<Zarthus>
not quite as lovely, but maybe `a, b = a + 50, a`
* Zarthus
has no idea if that works
<Synthead>
really clever, but it kind of makes an example of how hacky this is anyway
<Zarthus>
I can't say I know of a scenario where I've needed this :)
<Synthead>
two lines of code is more readable :)
<Zarthus>
I prefer splitting it over two lines myself, yeah :P
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<Zarthus>
You can extend += or write a separate method, if you really prefer
<Zarthus>
the former probably is going to really mess with your collaborators :P
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<Synthead>
yeah, not about to venture there, hah
<Synthead>
thought I'd ask... never know with ruby sometimes :)
<Zarthus>
I would ask "what did I write to get me in this situation to require this in the first place", myself :P
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<wnd>
at least a += b += 'foo' behaves as I'd expect (with nils and initialised values)
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<zenspider>
wnd: what do you expect it to do?
<zenspider>
I look at that and I have no idea how stuff will (or should) play out
<zenspider>
but if those lvars are methods?? *shrug*
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<wnd>
I'd expect b += 'foo' to be evaluated first and to return "#{b}foo" (assuming b is a string), which would then be concatenated to a (assuming a is a string)
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<zenspider>
I think this found a bug in ruby_parser tho... it needs `self.` in order to hit op_asgn, but I think it should hit it if they're not known locals
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<wnd>
of course I should've said "with strings, behaves as I'd expect"
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<shayan>
hey sorry for this rando message but does anyone know the command to make this pop-up to stophttp://imgur.com/a/hEfbj
<shayan>
i don’t even own the account, so there is not even a way for me to log in… and yet everytime i log into my irc app, it keeps asking me for it
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<Zarthus>
shadeslayer: sounds like a textual feature that picks up on 'You must identify to this account' from nickserv.
<Zarthus>
You /could/ use SASL-authentication on a different account to ensure you're logged in so nickserv no longer sends that. Which is a workaround.
<Zarthus>
fwiw, #textual exists.
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<zenspider>
wnd: type shouldn't matter as long as it has #+ defined
<zenspider>
shayan: it's saying that you're using a registered nick. if it isn't YOUR registered nick, then you should change what you're going by with `/nick newnick`.
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<zenspider>
you can also `/msg nickserv help`
<shayan>
zenspider: thnx so much, will try that right now
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<shayan>
zenspider: it says can’t use my new nick because it’s taken on freenode.net, however i believe that it is mine as i registered it some months ago
<Zarthus>
oh, I highlighted the wrong person.
<shayan>
zenspider: even though i log in with my registered username, it still gives me the popup for the username that i don’t even use :@
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