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<StoneCypher> when i net::http something i would expect to work, and that does work from my js impl, the ruby impl says that the remote side just closed the connection
<StoneCypher> i'm pulling a post demo almost verbatim from a manual
<StoneCypher> is there a way to find out whether the far server gave response headers? alternately, is there an obvious thing a ruby noob might be doing wrong?
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<RickHull> take away the sleep, it's always the wrong approach unless you know exactly what you're doing
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<ruby-lang505> when does while true end loop ends?
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<RickHull> when the program is killed
<RickHull> try also: loop {}
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<adam12> Your preferred tooling for chasing memory leaks / GC issues. Lemme have them.
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<c-c> adam12: you don't really chase memory leaks in ruby
<adam12> c-c: I'll check them out. Maybe this is just an issue with the GC
<c-c> adam12: I assume you are working with ruby, not on ruby itself
<adam12> Right - I'm working in Ruby, not C.
<adam12> So more interested in Object allocation, etc.
<adam12> I have a Rails app consuming just over 1Gb. :\
<c-c> ok so you want to profile that certainly
<adam12> Yes.
<c-c> good luck
<adam12> Thanks
* c-c goes back to his R* trees
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<adam12> I'll check it out as well.
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<Suresh> hi guys i'm stuck at this particular exercise 40 on extra credit, apparently i declared $cities as global variable, but i still getting undefined method cities
<Suresh> can give hint?
<Suresh> no answer pls
<c-c> >> foo = 1; $foo = 'a'; [foo, $foo]
<ruby[bot]> c-c: # => [1, "a"] (https://eval.in/702489)
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<Suresh> i define $ciites as a globle method so that i can loop thorugh the cites inside the method
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<c-c> Take a 3 minute break, then read my >> example again
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<c-c> btw, break means stepping away from the computer (and phone etc)
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<Suresh> ya i understand that part
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<RayPP> [ The Jewish Cartel, Not QE3 "Mirrored Video" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZG5Zfm-FQg ]
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<havenwood> !spam RayPP
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<IsoLinCHiP> Is there a common way to instruct bundler to install a specific locally built gem file? I had to modify an ancient gem to work for me and dont want bundler to install the rubygems version but my locally generated one.
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<apeiros> IsoLinCHiP: path: and git:, check the bundler docs for those
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<bb57> salve
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<bb57> !list
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<bb57> ita?
<bb57> byby
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<finnnnnnnnnnn> Hi eveyone. I’m using kramdown to convert some markdown to latex - anyone know how I then save as a pdf?
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<jxf> @finnnnnnnnnnn the snippet looks like it's just going to save the *.md file, convert to LaTeX, and then save the LaTeX source to a file named "outputfile.pdf"
<jxf> i.e., it's a file that looks like a PDF based on its name, but just contains LaTeX source
<jxf> you need an intermediate step or library that will take the LaTeX source and render it to PDF
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<t-richards> finnnnnnnnnnn: If you're going the LaTeX route, you'll need a working "TeX distribution" to do the compilation
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<t-richards> A popular and widely-available option is "TeX Live": https://www.tug.org/texlive/
<t-richards> It's probably available in your package manager if you're running a modern Linux
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<finnnnnnnnnnn> t-richards: thanks, I’ll look into that
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<marchelzo> wow
<marchelzo> just when i thought ruby couldn't get any better
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<marchelzo> those are some *tight* little changes
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<alwyn> Hi, I'm trying to install a gem and I'm getting the following error: extconf.rb:6:in `<main>': uninitialized constant Config (NameError)
<alwyn> When I look in said file I see this line there: unless Config::CONFIG['host_os'] =~ /mswin32|mingw32/
<alwyn> So I'm guessing I don't have a Config set somewhere? Is that supposed to be set? How do I set it?
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<al2o3-cr> 19>> require 'rubygems'; Config::CONFIG['host_os']
<ruby[bot]> al2o3-cr: # => /tmp/execpad-b5bd5ddacb57/source-b5bd5ddacb57:2: Use RbConfig instead of obsolete and deprecated Con ...check link for more (https://eval.in/702944)
<t-richards> alwyn: Which gem are you trying to install? Did you write the gem?
<t-richards> ?context alwyn
<ruby[bot]> alwyn: Please add more context to your question, what are you doing, why are you doing it, which libraries are involved. Post some code to gist if it clarifies your question.
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<marchelzo> my ruby version is 2.4.0dev
<marchelzo> does that mean i have a development build?
<marchelzo> like with debugging information and no optimizations?
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<t-richards> marchelzo: "2.4.0dev" means you're running the in-development version of the Ruby interpreter, but it does not tell you whether you have debug symbols or compiler optimizations
<t-richards> You can figure that out by checking your configure_args:
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<t-richards> >>require 'rbconfig'; p RbConfig::CONFIG["configure_args"]
<ruby[bot]> t-richards: # => " '--prefix=/execpad/interpreters/ruby-2.3.0' '--disable-install-doc'" ...check link for more (https://eval.in/702952)
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<marchelzo> :/
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<marchelzo> which arbitrary precision library does ruby use if you build without gmp?
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<jeffreylevesque> do you declare $variables, or variables?
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<marchelzo> how do you mean
<t-richards> marchelzo: Looks like GMP is used for acceleration of arbitrary precision stuff; if you don't have it then Ruby falls back to its own internal implementation https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/8796
<marchelzo> dang
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<marchelzo> i wonder why the homebrew formula has such whacky defaults
<marchelzo> maybe i should just build it myself from source
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<apeiros> jeffreylevesque: there's no separate declaration syntax in ruby. first assignment "declares" variables.
<apeiros> jeffreylevesque: but yes, you should assign before using. $globals and @ivars autovivify to nil, but will trigger a warning if not assigned prior to first use
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<alwyn> t-richards: sorry for delay, it was libvirt, but it's apparently vagrant-libvirt. I've got a follow-up issue now but no time to look at it right now :)
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<alwyn> Thanks for the response anyway, I'll be back later if I can't figure it out!
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<PaulePanter> Hi. Is there a method for Array, that gives me the index, and the value for the block as variables?
<PaulePanter> I only found `each` and `each_index`.
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<PaulePanter> I want to check if each element from index 1 to length -1 adheres to being the sum of its predecessor and next element.
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<PaulePanter> a_i = a_(i - 1) + a_(i + 1)
<eizua> PaulePanter: try looking at Enumerable#each_with_index
<apeiros> PaulePanter: each_cons(3).all? { … }
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<apeiros> and having an array, I'd explain it as a[i] == a[i-1] + a[i+1] ;-)
* eizua looks up each_cons()
<PaulePanter> eizua: Thanks. I always forget about that.
<PaulePanter> apeiros: Yes, I should have used that syntax.
<PaulePanter> apeiros: Very nice.
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<eizua> If only Zealdocs did not lose the ability to go to that particular section of the docs when I click on the search result
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<StoneCypher> so, gotchas for ruby noobs on POSTs? i have a piece of javascript that does what i expect, but when i tried to reimplement it in ruby, the remote host closes the connection
<StoneCypher> so far i can't tell the difference (it's trivially simple JS)
<elomatreb> You should probably gist your code, we can't really help you without it
<elomatreb> welp
<StoneCypher> huhuh :D
<StoneCypher> was copy pastaing as fast as i could
<adaedra> StoneCypher: protip: do two files in your gist, and put extensions, so we have nice colors :D
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<StoneCypher> oh, i thought the extra urls would be annoy-sauce
<StoneCypher> want a remake?
<elomatreb> You can literally add multiple files to a single gist
<StoneCypher> ... i ... did not know that
<adaedra> ;)
<StoneCypher> fixing.
<StoneCypher> fixed
<adaedra> <3
<StoneCypher> yeah i need to go fix like a quarter of my other gists now
<adaedra> ahahah
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<StoneCypher> anyway, please de-stupid me with crowbar
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<StoneCypher> disregard that params in the first are magic constants in the second; i'll fix that momentarily
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<adaedra> looks like it should work to me; but I don't really mess with Net::HTTP
<StoneCypher> should i be other gemming? i am not ruby
<StoneCypher> generally i'm allergic to dependencies
<StoneCypher> but i'm allergic to being late by more
<adaedra> You checked that the data, including headers and URL, are correctly set?
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<elomatreb> What was the error? Do you get a Ruby exception?
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<StoneCypher> it just closes the connection
<StoneCypher> adaedra: i mean, to the best of my ability, but i don't know ruby very well
<StoneCypher> the remote endpoint is a SAAS
<StoneCypher> i don't see anything obviously different in the toy express server i set up
<StoneCypher> but then i might not be looking for the right thing?
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<adaedra> Well, as elomatreb, the full error would be nice
<StoneCypher> afaict there isn't one. brb, copypastaing
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<adaedra> *+said
<StoneCypher> the gist: it is updated (dramatic music; thunder sfx)
<StoneCypher> it's possible that i'm just not ruby enough to know how to ask the shell questions
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<elomatreb> Yep, that's an exception
<StoneCypher> so ... i don't know what to do from here in ruby :(
<StoneCypher> in js i could inspect the fetch or xhr, or look at the error object coming in
<StoneCypher> i don't know what ruby's equivalent of that is
<elomatreb> It's not as easy as looking in the requests panel, that's sadly true
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<StoneCypher> i'm a c++ jerk; difficult is fine :)
<elomatreb> I haven't really seen anyone use the HTTP.start block, any reason you can't use the post helpers? (e.g. https://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.3.3/libdoc/net/http/rdoc/Net/HTTP.html#class-Net::HTTP-label-POST)
<adaedra> In your case, I'd probably run a small server and try to contact it with my script to see the request
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<StoneCypher> adaedra: that's what i meant by the express comment. express is a js webserver
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<StoneCypher> elomatreb: lack of smarts mostly. i copied garbage from stack underthink
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<StoneCypher> elomatreb: though that doesn't seem to have a json example
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<elomatreb> Although I'd really recommend pulling in a better request lib at this point, you don't really have any negatives from doing so in Ruby
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<StoneCypher> i guess i have to. still haven't figured this out :(
<StoneCypher> elomatreb: which would you recommend
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<elomatreb> Ironically, Ruby 2.4 will introduce a better HTTP::post helper method
<elomatreb> I've heard very good things about https://rubygems.org/gems/rest-client
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<lupine> I made use a library using it this month. it's reasonable
<lupine> made us of*
<lupine> oh you know what I mean
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<tau> hi guys. i know that to_enum(:somemethod) works for functions outside classes. consider the situation i have a class Alpha with a static method foo that requires a block. how could i convert that into an enumerator?
<tau> i have been trying to_enum(:Alpha.foo) but it doesnt work although it makes some sense.
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<baweaver> &ri Object#to_enum
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<tau> oh.
<tau> so, i should use Class.enum_for ?
<havenwood> StoneCyp1er: HTTP.rb has a particularly nice interface: https://github.com/httprb/http
<tau> but i'm wondering how to use the syntax for to_enum.
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<tau> like instead of using Class.enum_for(:method)
<tau> using to_enum(...somecode..)
<baweaver> doesn't work like that, it'd have to be a Kernel method (which it's not)
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<tau> i see.
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<tau> is https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ official doc or ruby-doc.org?
<elomatreb> If you look under "Reference Documentation", you'll see it links to ruby-doc.org ;)
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<tau> i see.
<tau> lol
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<zacts> hi rubyists
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<Papierkorb> yo
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<marchelzo> hi zacts
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<zacts> hi :-)
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<bovis> hello
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<zacts> we are friendly today! :-D
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<SeepingN> but nonproductive
* pilne sits on the porch and starts cleaning his shotgun
<zacts> is there a way to put in a vote for the next ruby 4.* concurrency model?
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<pilne> nicest way i can think of to be an old grouch and say "get off my lawn" :p
<zacts> or are they set on it?
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<pilne> so... were they really serious about changing float.round in 2 days?
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<pilne> i know it has been averted... but was it really gonna be a thing?
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<zacts> like the Guilds model,, why reinvent the wheel?
<zacts> I'm still learning concurrency, but why not an actoresque model?
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<marchelzo> pilne: what was the proposed change?
<marchelzo> zacts: you mean 3.* right?
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<pilne> 2.3: (2.5).round = 3, 2.4(proposed): (2.5).round = 2
<apeiros> that follows IEEE standard
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<SpComb> I want some kind of self.clone.freeze -> immutable for safely sharing objects between threads :)
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<pilne> but it is 100% counter-intuitive to what most (all?) of us were taught, and most (all?) other programming languages
<apeiros> indeed
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<pilne> if it is indeed called bankers rounding
<pilne> just make float.bank
<pilne> win
<pilne> make it availiable, but explicitly so
<zacts> marchelzo: sorry indeed
<marchelzo> then people will get the idea that Float is reasonable for representing monetary values
<pilne> hmmm then call it sumfin else
<pilne> just don't make it default lol
<marchelzo> in C you can manipulate the floating point environment and change the rounding mode
<apeiros> that mistake started when they chose n.m (as in 3.12) as float literal instead of decimal :-/
<marchelzo> meh, i'm ok with that
<marchelzo> it's consistent with most popular languages
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<marchelzo> although 3.12f would be fine too
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<apeiros> I'd have used 3.12e, seamless with 3.12e5
<apeiros> i.e. exponent defaults to 0
<marchelzo> i guess that could work too
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<bovis> pilne: how far does the (proposed) rounding go? (2.5).round = 2, but does (2.9).round = 2 ? Everything short of 3, beginning at .5, or just stopping at .5, up from .4?
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<apeiros> bovis: ieee rounding is "towards even number"
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<apeiros> that is, only as a tie-break.
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<apeiros> closest even number to 2.5 is 2. closest even number to 3.5 is 4.
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<bovis> feels awkward
<apeiros> sure, to me too
<apeiros> but I guess the rounding system we're used to would feel awkward to somebody used to "round to even"
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<SeepingN> that's retarded. excuse my American.
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<marchelzo> maybe they should just add Float.set_rounding_mode
<marchelzo> with some constants like Float.IEEE_754
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<djellemah> I think rounding is back to what most people expect https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12958#note-18
<apeiros> SeepingN: have you read the argument in favor of "round to even", or against "round away from zero" ("our" mode)?
<pilne> it was using round(even) as the default method for tie-breaking
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<pilne> with .5 being the tie number
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<bovis> apeiros: agreed that it's a matter of what I'm used to, though it also seems like never being able to round to an odd number would get in the way of some operations or add the need for a separate method like .roundodd... all the bases are covered with the current style of rounding down at .4 and up at .5
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<marchelzo> of course you could round to odd numbers
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<marchelzo> (3.4).round would still be 3
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<SeepingN> 0 1 2 3 4 | 5 6 7 8 9
<apeiros> bovis: due to history I think the (apparently) chosen way is correct. stick to the existing method as default, provide the other ways to round via parametrization
<Eiam> I've never heard of round to even
<Eiam> that seems very weird
<SeepingN> .5 rounds up. to whatever
<marchelzo> SeepingN: lol
<apeiros> SeepingN: 0 is wrong in that enumeration
<Eiam> yea exactly, rounding up is always .5 goes to next whole number
<marchelzo> that's like those troll proofs that 0.999... != 1
<SeepingN> oh. 1 2 3 4 5 | 6 7 8 9 0 ?
<pilne> in "nearest even" 3.5 will round to 4, as will 4.5
<apeiros> Eiam: no, it goes away from zero to the next whole number
<Eiam> or did american teach me wrong, like the standard system vs metric?
<apeiros> >> -3.5.round
<ruby[bot]> apeiros: # => -4 (https://eval.in/703014)
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<marchelzo> 1 2 3 4 | 5 6 7 8 9
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<bovis> apeiros marchelzo : I may be missing something
<SeepingN> where's 0
<SeepingN> 0 is valid
<Eiam> >> 0.5.round
<ruby[bot]> Eiam: # => 1 (https://eval.in/703016)
<apeiros> SeepingN: nowhere. 0 is where it rounds to. it's the "neutral" element which doesn't get rounded
<marchelzo> SeepingN: you wouldn't count 0 unless you also count numbers arbitrarily close to x.999...
<apeiros> so you can't put it on one of the sides.
<marchelzo> you can't balance it
<SeepingN> so 5.0 rounds to 5. it's still a valid digit
<Eiam> 1 is odd
<Eiam> but 0 is the closest even
<marchelzo> partitioning a set of integers is not the way to reason about real numbers
<apeiros> that too :)
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<SpComb> and reasoning about real numbers is not the way to reason about floating point either :P
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<Eiam> wish I hadn't clicked this tab
<marchelzo> well we'd like floating point to come as close as possible to real numbers
<Eiam> now I'm all worked up about rounding. sigh
<apeiros> SpComb: given that this part is about floats trying to approximate real numbers, I think it is
<apeiros> heh
<pilne> my feeling is one should make as many of the options possible, that are possible, but default to one that goes along with how worldwide education tends to teach.
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<apeiros> Eiam: you can relax. if you don't do something, everything will stay as it is
<Eiam> pilne: adding options has its own support cost
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<apeiros> but if you want, you have additional options as of 2.4
<marchelzo> SeepingN: consider that there is nothing special about decimal. if you want count 0 as a "valid digit", then look at base-3. 0 1 | 2
<pilne> maybe not in core, but in a lib or gem
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<marchelzo> s/want/want to/
<pilne> besides, ruby seems to not mind support cost in favor of programmer ease, so imho it is a bit of a non-issue?
<SpComb> >> 1e16 == 1e16 + 1
<ruby[bot]> SpComb: # => true (https://eval.in/703018)
<SeepingN> o.O
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<pilne> woah
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<apeiros> floats have 64bits to store a number. natural that there are limits.
<pilne> that is true
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<djellemah> >> 0.99999999999999999 == 1 # it's not that weird
<ruby[bot]> djellemah: # => true (https://eval.in/703019)
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<SpComb> >> (4503599627370496.5).round
<ruby[bot]> SpComb: # => 4503599627370496 (https://eval.in/703020)
<ycyclist> I've got an old version of minitest, and it's hitting a situation where the same constant containing require file is colliding from one test to another. There must be a standard handling for this. I do have 1.9.1 minitest though.
<eam> >> require 'bigdecimal'; BigDecimal.new("0.99999999999999999") == BigDecimal.new("1")
<ruby[bot]> eam: # => false (https://eval.in/703021)
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<eam> there are arbitrary precision libraries for when you want correctness over speed
<pilne> that is true
<pilne> options!
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<SpComb> >> [4503599627370495.5, 4503599627370496.5, 4503599627370497.5].map{|x| x.round}
<ruby[bot]> SpComb: # => [4503599627370496, 4503599627370496, 4503599627370498] (https://eval.in/703022)
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<ycyclist> the problem with that it is preferably black box, and I would like to test it without changing internals.
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<ycyclist> Is there a way to have blocking or other context be such that the constants go away after exiting context?
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