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<KC_> what kind of data structure is commonly used to store user information? Hashes?
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<racest> Is there a ruby development environment for iOS?
<racest> Like an ide of sorts
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<HippoDippo> are 2 simple if statements cleaner than using elsif?
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<Nilium> I'm guessing both of them return?
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<HippoDippo> Nilium: yes they both do
<baweaver> what's the code?
<HippoDippo> if (x == -1 || y == -1) return 0 end
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<HippoDippo> if (x == 11 || y == 11) return 0 end
<HippoDippo> or should i use elsif?
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<baweaver> what's the full code?
<allisio> HippoDippo: `return 0 if [x % 12, y % 12].include? 11` would cover both cases.
<havenwood> return 0 if Set.new([x, y]).intersect? Set.new([-1, 11])
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<baweaver> remember 0 isn't false in Ruby
<havenwood> >> !!0
<ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => true (https://eval.in/756578)
<havenwood> ([x, y] & [-1, 11]).any?
<allisio> HippoDippo: Use 24-hour time like a civilized creature.
<HippoDippo> allisio: not sure i understand what you mean.
<allisio> HippoDippo: I tried to trick you into telling us what you're trying to do.
<HippoDippo> allisio: Ahh i see. Super secret
<HippoDippo> Classified
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<allisio> We appreciate your lack of cooperation.
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<HippoDippo> allisio: Joking aside, the code is a method that maps a continent, or in this case, an 11x11 array of arrays.
<allisio> HippoDippo: Ah, bounds checking, then.
<HippoDippo> allisio: bounds checking? bounds as in boundaries right?
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<allisio> Consider putting dummy cells around the edge and iterating from 1...dimension instead.
<allisio> Yeah, but if you do ^, you get to skip the special-casing at the edges.
<allisio> For lots of grid-based things, anyway; maybe yours is different.
<Renich> allisio: thanks for the suggestions
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<HippoDippo> allisio: dummy cells?
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<allisio> HippoDippo: Yeah, like a "buffer" so you don't have to handle "north of (0, 0)" being (0, -1) and mucking everything up.
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<HippoDippo> allisio: Ahh ok. thanks
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<HippoDippo> allisio: Also, do you often find yourself extending ruby's core classes? Or is that a no no?
<HippoDippo> I believe its called "Monkey-Patching"
<allisio> HippoDippo: That's a pretty big no-no, but it still gets done fairly often in certain circles.
<allisio> Probably try not to, and see if the Refinements mechanism suits your use case if you're really keen.
<bungoman_> I once made a whole thing out of monkey patching Array to provide statistical methods. It was pretty useful.
<HippoDippo> allisio: Ok i'll look into that. I havent learnt Rails yet, but ive heard they do it as well.
<allisio> HippoDippo: They do, but you pretty much always have to opt in.
<bungoman_> ActiveSupport does it all over the place
<HippoDippo> allisio: ahh ok.
<allisio> And indeed `require 'activesupport'` was the opting-in I had in mind. :P
<HippoDippo> bungoman_: and i look at that thanks
<bungoman_> It can be useful. But it's really easy to get in the habit of using .blank? on everything which is a definite smell.
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<HippoDippo> when i first heard of monkey patching, i thought it sounded awesome. being able to change things to suit your needs
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<HippoDippo> But im sure it can go very wrong if not careful
<bungoman_> Sometimes it's the easiest solution for a problem, but even if is you should strongly consider not doing it. There's almost always a better way.
<HippoDippo> Did anything go wrong for your statistical methods?
<bungoman_> No, because I was using them in a project where I could control all of the input myself.
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<HippoDippo> If each of you had to choose one particular thing about Ruby that was your favorite, what would it be?
<bungoman_> It's very enjoyable to write. And to read.
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<bungoman_> "Instead of emphasizing the what, I want to emphasize the how part: how we feel while programming. That's Ruby's main difference from other language designs. I emphasize the feeling, in particular, how I feel using Ruby." - Matz
<bungoman_> Every time I think about what my idea non-lispy language looks like I always end up with something that's basically Ruby but maybe with the pattern matching of Erlang/Elixir.
<bungoman_> ideal*
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<HippoDippo> bungoman_: Well said. Erlang is definitely a language i am eager to learn
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<bungoman_> It's worth learning if for no other reason than to make you question the necessity of explicit if/else conditionals.
<allisio> HippoDippo: The language gives you all the footguns your arsenal can accommodate and then some, and it's a nice feeling when they're not all going off at the same time.
<allisio> Ruby, to clarify.
<HippoDippo> allisio: Well put.. or 'puts'. Get it?
<allisio> Jokes aside, I think bungoman_ hit it square-on.
<allisio> HippoDippo: I Ruby what you did there.
<HippoDippo> allisio: Hash you very much.
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<allisio> The trouble with monkey-patching is that, while this (https://eval.in/756581) might be a perfectly reasonable definition of String#expand, somebody using your thing might have an even better definition befitting the problem they're trying to solve.
<allisio> If they define theirs, then load your library, they're in for a bad time.
<allisio> Theirs probably won't have binoculars, though.
<bungoman_> File.readlines is my second favorite thing about Ruby.
<HippoDippo> Ohhh
<bungoman_> I can't even count the amount of time I've saved over the last decade or so because of that method.
<bungoman_> The fact it's just there, out of the box, no require required, is kind of a huge deal.
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<HippoDippo> bungoman_: Your referring to the expand method?
<HippoDippo> Ohh gotcha
<bungoman_> It's such a common task, and every other language makes it a chore. Python and Rust are the only two I can think of off the top of my head that seem to at least try to make it easy, but they still require more than one method call.
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<bungoman_> Of course when I want to double check and make sure I didn't just say something that's totally untrue rosettacode is broken.
<HippoDippo> have you coded in python much?
<bungoman_> A little, only small toy things though, definitely not enough to put on my resume.
<HippoDippo> Ahh ok
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<leitz> Any idea why the Match fails to "fail" when the string is only 6 xdigit characters? https://github.com/LeamHall/CT_Character_Generator/blob/multi_career/features/step_definitions/chargen_steps.rb#L22
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<Mon_Ouie> What do you mean by fail to fail? It should just return nil
<Mon_Ouie> Also don't you mean [[:xdigit:]]?
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<leitz> Mon_Ouie, it shouldn't work if the match calls for 9 digits and there is only six.
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<Mon_Ouie> What would "not work" mean specifically? match never raises an exception, it just returns nil instead of a MatchData instance
<leitz> Ah, so I need to "fail" if there's a nil return? Let me go poke at it.
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<leitz> Yep, that works! Thanks!
<leitz> Now I have to figure out the new syntax, it doesn't like "should".
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<leitz> And done. Cool...
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<Kimryd> Greetings
<Kimryd> goddamn 850 people.....
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<Kimryd> I'm just starting with ruby, as in I have about 15 minutes of experience. I'm trying to run a simple 3 line thing. It will ask for my name, I enter my name, and then it prints my name
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<Kimryd> It starts fine but once I enter my name and hit enter, ruby just closes on me
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<Kimryd> I ran the lines on repl.it and it works fine there
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<elomatreb> Kimryd: Post your code (preferrably on gist.github.com), or we can't help you
<Papierkorb> Kimryd: What platform are you running on? Linux, Windows, ...?
<Kimryd> Papierkorb, I'm on windows 10 and using vs code (if that matters)
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<elomatreb> Your code looks OK. How do you run it?
<Papierkorb> Kimryd: Yes, windows' CMD will close immediately after the program returned. Try adding `sleep 5` or so at the end.
<elomatreb> Or another gets, to wait for keyboard input
<Kimryd> using the terminal in vs code, I do ./potato.rb, ruby shows up
<Kimryd> alright 1 sec
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<Kimryd> ayyy that's what I'm sayan
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<Kimryd> Thank you, sleep 5 did the trick
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<Kimryd> I think I'll use linux for this instead (I dual boot) because I can see that command prompt closing becoming mighty infuriating
<Papierkorb> Kimryd: Linux is a much better platform for programming than Windows not only because of that
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<Kimryd> Go on
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<Papierkorb> Well, a proper shell, tools, repository management for the whole system, not MS, proper namespacing, runs anywhere, free software, ...
<elomatreb> If you're on Windows 10, you could try the new Linux subsystem. I found it good enough to try small Ruby scripts on Windows
<Kimryd> Oh yeah I heard about that but I don't know anything about it
<Kimryd> I only use windows 10 for music production and metal gear.... so, I spend most of my time in linux
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<llua> >> format 's%sak%s\n', 'n' * 14, 'e' * 7
<ruby[bot]> llua: # => "snnnnnnnnnnnnnnakeeeeeee\\n" (https://eval.in/756712)
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<mc_fail> hi guys
<mc_fail> ho do I include yaml-config to the gem?
<mc_fail> i mean, i can include it indeed, but how do I set path tho it in my app?
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<Harzilein> hi
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<hxegon_afk> mc_fail: The way you phrased the question is a bit confusing, could you try again? Are you trying to require a gem in your app? are you trying to add a gem as a dependency?
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<hxegon> whoops, not afk anymore :)
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<mitrek> out of curiosity
<mitrek> what happens when ruby compare two strings (boolean context)
<mitrek> like: print smallstringer > giganticstring
<mitrek> is the ascii value?
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<PurityLake> Hi all, was wondering if you guys have some advice on writing gems? I want to write a gem that uses http/https and eventually other protocols. Have any of you made your own gems and if so what were the pitfalls you found while making it
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<mitrek> print "testing bot" > "bot"
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<petems> Hi all, I'm trying to figure out an issue with a segfault in Ruby on OSX... but I don't know where to start
<petems> anyone got any pointers? https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/13327
<j416> *****
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<manveru> seems to happen here: `4 libaspell.dylib 0x000000010e3711d0 _ZN7acommon7Convert7convertEPKciRNS_6StringE + 4`
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<petems> manveru: yeah, is there a way of digging into whats actually happening there?
<petems> I'm assuming thats the assembly line from the c library?
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<manveru> well, it looks like a C++ mangled function name
<manveru> but i may be wrong
<manveru> possibly a version mismatch of aspell?
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<petems> Both are the same version according to -v:
<petems> @(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Aspell 0.60.7-20110707)
<petems> @(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Aspell 0.60.7-20110707)
<petems> It doesnt happen on Ubuntu
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<manveru> well, i'd file a bug on ffi-aspell project
<petems> I did :)
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