#ruby on 2017-09-22 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:31 <teatime> Algebr`: yes, i386 (through i686) always means 32-bit, aka IA-32; 64-bit is usually called x86_64 (or amd64) (but never IA-64, which is completely different.)

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01:01 <Algebr`> now getting: error: size of array 'ruby_check_sizeof_voidp' is negative, which I guess means my devkit and ruby install are out of wack. How should I test what version devkit I am and if I'm compatibile with running ruby install

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03:53 <RickHull> Algebr`: how goes it?

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03:54 <Algebr`> RickHull: Hey, so far actually made progress

03:54 <Algebr`> Now new thing. How can I take an installed gem and repackage it, so that someone else can just gem instll my precompiled version

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03:55 <RickHull> building a gem is pretty easy

03:55 <RickHull> and/or unpacking repacking

03:56 <Algebr`> building I've done, with the .gemspec

03:56 <Algebr`> now just my use case need

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03:56 <RickHull> it gets a little tricky with C extensions and fat gems maybe

03:56 <Algebr`> yea, looking for words about that

03:56 <RickHull> i won't be much help with windows trickery. and I'm pretty shaky with C extensions

03:57 <Algebr`> a hero will come along

03:58 <RickHull> you can unpack an existing gem. but can't you just start with e.g `git clone` ?

03:58 <Algebr`> I don't follow

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03:58 <RickHull> "take an installed gem and repackage it" ...

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03:59 <RickHull> i am more oriented towards starting with source code and building a gem

04:01 <RickHull> just want to make sure I am understanding the problem. i doubt it is very tough

04:01 <Algebr`> prebuilt windows binaries are special exemption

04:01 <RickHull> are we just building? or is it necessary to unpack something or other?

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04:04 <Algebr`> just so that when I deploy i don't need to have client build this by themselves and I can just provide the precompiled things.

04:05 <Algebr`> I might have found something...

04:05 <RickHull> ok, sounds like we are just building

04:05 <RickHull> are you starting with (more or less) `git clone the_utf_thingie` ?

04:06 <RickHull> and you have altered some stuff, and maybe part of the build process?

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04:07 <RickHull> you can build a .gem file that can be distributed and installed easily

04:07 <RickHull> furthermore, you could host it on an internal gem server and point your ruby machines at your internal server and it would get installed like most public gems

04:09 <Algebr`> its an existing project

04:10 <RickHull> so you've cloned it locally and made some edits

04:10 <Algebr`> ya

04:10 <RickHull> you can build a .gem from that

04:10 <Algebr`> distributing via gem server also sounds good,

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04:10 <Algebr`> but I don't need to make just a gem, I need it to also include the compiled code

04:10 <RickHull> i don't know the specifics on including binaries

04:10 <RickHull> but there are good docs for gem building, generally

04:10 <RickHull> let me see...

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04:11 <RickHull> aha! http://guides.rubygems.org/

04:12 <RickHull> you may have already reviewed. in that case, I am not much further help

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04:13 <RickHull> !botsnack

04:13 <RickHull> :(

04:13 <RickHull> RIP corundum

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04:32 <Algebr`> if anyone happens to use this project: https://github.com/luislavena/gem-compiler/issues/25

04:34 <RickHull> this seems kinda weird: `gem 'unf_ext', :path => './'` the :path

04:34 <RickHull> I have not needed a :path specifier, and yours in particular looks odd

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04:35 <RickHull> I mean in general, with a `gem` statement -- I have not needed a :path specifier

04:35 <RickHull> I have never touched unf_ext

04:37 <RickHull> maybe a windows thing? I am pretty exclusively linux (working in a vagrant VM on Windows 7 at the moment...)

04:40 <RickHull> Algebr`: incidentally, as an Ocaml hacker, have you looked at Elixir?

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04:46 <Algebr`> its like a syntax layer for ruby?

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04:52 <RickHull> ha

04:53 <RickHull> it's actually a syntax layer for Erlang that looks kinda like ruby if you squint

04:53 <RickHull> functional paradigm rather than object oriented

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04:55 <RickHull> may I recommend https://github.com/rickhull/conway_deathmatch/tree/master versus https://github.com/rickhull/conway_deathmatch/tree/elixir

04:55 <RickHull> the elixir branch is old and relatively undocumented, so YMMV

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05:03 <Algebr`> interesting

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10:12 <garyserj> hi i'm having trouble installing ruby on windows. I downloaded rubyinstaller-2.4.2-2-x64.exe from rubyinstaller.com and I get this error when trying to run ruby https://pastebin.com/raw/gKjgAcc6

10:12 <ruby[bot]> garyserj: we in #ruby do not like pastebin.com, it loads slowly for most, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting. Please use https://gist.github.com

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10:13 <garyserj> hi i'm having trouble installing ruby on windows. I downloaded rubyinstaller-2.4.2-2-x64.exe from rubyinstaller.com and I get this error when trying to run ruby https://gist.github.com/anonymous/aac7d0c9902607bce97183ffabd33a4c

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10:50 <matthewd> garyserj: Don't know, sorry... that sounds like a very Windows-specific error :/

10:51 <matthewd> garyserj: Do you have a C:/msys64/mingw64/bin ?

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10:52 <garyserj> no I don't have that

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10:53 <garyserj> I have a c:\ming64

10:53 <garyserj> maybe i could make a junction or whatever to it.

10:54 <matthewd> I was hoping maybe it was tripping on a coincidental mingw64 installation, but that seems unlikely if it's not in the mentioned path

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10:56 <scatterp> hi can any one suggest a more beginner level ruby chat ?

10:57 <matthewd> scatterp: Ask away

10:57 <matthewd> garyserj: https://github.com/oneclick/rubyinstaller2/blob/8fedf03e1a2dfd1a338be1088766e276d4aedfff/lib/ruby_installer/build/msys2_installation.rb#L82

10:58 <matthewd> garyserj: Sounds like it looks in various places for msys (https://github.com/oneclick/rubyinstaller2/blob/8fedf03e1a2dfd1a338be1088766e276d4aedfff/lib/ruby_installer/build/msys2_installation.rb#L32), then blindly assumes mingw lives inside it

11:01 <scatterp> matthewd ok this might sound a little silly but i am trying to implement FIX (api) 4.2 in to peatio (open source exchange) starting from zero knowledge of ruby ... so far my theory is .. a GEM is a library and quickfix gem is the best soloution i am wondering if i simply add this code https://github.com/quickfix/quickfix/blob/master/examples/executor/ruby/executor.rb to the api folder of peatio

11:01 <scatterp> and do a gem install quickfix and simply move the existing action [if THEN] from the existing peatio api https://github.com/peatio/peatio/tree/master/app/api/api_v2 well basiclly i am wondering if this is correct

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11:01 <matthewd> garyserj: If your msys installation is pre-existing and unrelated to the ruby install, a possible quick experiment might be to temporarily rename C:\msys64 to something else, and see what ruby does without that one there

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11:03 <scatterp> matthewd i want to support FIX for https://github.com/ctubio/Krypto-trading-bot/ which only requires "logon" and 4 other commands so i only need a partial implementation right now..

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11:08 <matthewd> scatterp: Sorry, that's more a question about how to extend that particular program. I can't help with that.

11:08 <scatterp> matthewd but does the logic sound correct?

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11:10 <matthewd> I really don't know

11:10 <scatterp> ok thx

11:11 <garyserj> matthewd: thanks, that helped

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11:11 <garyserj> in ruby do people tend to create their own http server like people do in node, or do they tend to use apache?

11:13 <matthewd> garyserj: There are a few popular HTTP-serving options; one of them is Phusion Passenger, which can operate as an Apache or nginx plugin

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11:15 <matthewd> The others generally listen on a local TCP port for themselves, and are often (but not always) then reverse-proxied from a "real" webserver process

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12:17 <leah2> hmm

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12:18 <leah2> i use ruby since 2001 and have used $\ for the first time now i think :D

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12:56 <garyserj> matthewd: what if I just want an http server where people access http://myip/blah and the http server displays the string 'abcd' or I go to http://myip/add?4&5 and my http server displays 9?

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12:57 <garyserj> is there a ruby plugin that just creates a plain http server and lets me define what the http server sends to the http client, happens when people make various requests?

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12:58 <havenwood> garyserj: Take a look at Rack. Here are some "Hello, World" examples in pure Rack and various Rack adapters: https://github.com/luislavena/bench-micro/tree/master/apps

12:58 <havenwood> garyserj: Roda is one nice option: http://roda.jeremyevans.net/

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13:00 <matthewd> Puma is (one of) the thing(s) that will create the actual HTTP server; Rack etc is the nicer (and universal) way you tell it what to do when it gets a request.

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13:37 <darix> <3 rack

13:37 <darix> i wonder if Mr Neukirchen expected the lib to become such a huge success

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13:43 <leah2> never ;)

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14:14 <pagios> hi i am running my ruby script like: /usr/bin/ruby /var/www/localhost/html/backend.rb & in a rc.local but it doesnt fire on boot why ?

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14:20 <darix> pagios: more a question for your distro/OS

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15:12 <patientplatypus> Intro rails question: https://hastebin.com/awomemomey.rails

15:14 <havenwood> patientplatypus: you're missing an `end` between line 36 and 37

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15:28 <Bacta> Really struggling to find good guides on how to upgrade from Ruby 1.8.7 to something more modern like 2.3.0. Any good guides out there?

15:28 <cjohnson> Do you use a version manager

15:28 <cjohnson> like rbenv

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15:30 <Bacta> Yes

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15:31 <cjohnson> Cool then just install the latest version alongside the old one, switch versions, and run your code and see what breaks

15:32 <Bacta> I could do that but was hoping for something more concrete ;) we're talking 500K LOC here

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15:33 <baweaver> Ah, so actually upgrading the code then. That's more fun.

15:34 <baweaver> Basically look for the deprecations between 1.8.6 and 1.9.2/3, that's where you'll find most all of the fun Bacta

15:34 <baweaver> 1.9.3 -> 2.4 is a remarkably straight shot from there

15:35 <baweaver> http://www.mobalean.com/blog/2016/12/05/ruby-upgrade

15:35 <baweaver> That's handy

15:36 <baweaver> Bacta ^ Looks like someone wrote a guide on it

15:36 <Bacta> The thing that really bothers me is I can't determine whether => still works in hashes for 2.3 and up. Basic information but nothing out there

15:36 <guardian> hello, is there a way to do something like self&.foo('bar') that would call a method #foo() only if it exists?

15:36 <guardian> with ruby >= 2.3

15:36 <Bacta> baweaver: That's much better

15:37 <baweaver> To be fair RVM and the like make it easier to make transitions because you can switch versions more cleanly

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15:39 <baweaver> guardian: who says the lonely op takes only one argument? :)

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15:42 <baweaver> >> nil&.[] :foo

15:42 <ruby[bot]> baweaver: # => nil (https://eval.in/866553)

15:42 <baweaver> >> {foo: :bar}&.[](:foo)

15:42 <ruby[bot]> baweaver: # => :bar (https://eval.in/866554)

15:42 <baweaver> As [] is technically a method, yes, it'll work

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15:43 <guardian> I don't get it

15:43 <baweaver> [], +, -, (and other math ops) are all methods

15:43 <matthewd> guardian: No, there isn't

15:44 <guardian> what I want is something nicer than (self.respond_to?(:foo) && foo()) || ...

15:44 <guardian> I just discovered respond_to?

15:45 <baweaver> Ah

15:45 * baweaver needs to get coffee

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15:45 <guardian> the example is contrieved but basically I want to tentatively call a method

15:45 <havenwood> guardian: return foo if respond_to? :foo

15:45 <guardian> and if it doesn't exist, it should yield so I can chain

15:45 <matthewd> Sorry, yes: no, there isn't a nice/syntactical way to do it

15:45 <guardian> k

15:45 <guardian> thanks

15:45 <baweaver> Read that as can you call a method on an object that you're not sure if it exists or not

15:45 <havenwood> no sugar

15:45 * baweaver wonders if there's a way to make sugar

15:45 <havenwood> speaking of coffee!

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15:46 <matthewd> If you happen to be in Rails, there's #try

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15:48 <baweaver> >>class Object;def tries(m,*a);respond_to?(m)?send(m,*a):nil;end;end; [nil.tries(:first), [1].tries(:first)]

15:48 <ruby[bot]> baweaver: # => [nil, 1] (https://eval.in/866561)

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15:48 * baweaver still forgets on occasion what's Rails and what's not

15:48 <rubyn00b> hello. need some assistance implementing a stable sort on my array

15:48 <guardian> no, I'm not using Rails

15:48 <guardian> thanks for the help anyways

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15:49 <baweaver> rubyn00b: define stable sort

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15:50 <rubyn00b> baweaver: it doesnt change the order that the data came in, if the data is identical

15:50 <rubyn00b> example:

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15:50 <matthewd> rubyn00b: sort_by.with_index {|value, idx| [f(value), idx] }

15:50 <teatime> a stable sort doesn't re-order items that have the same sort value

15:50 <rubyn00b> 1506008392 +12015146088

15:50 <rubyn00b> 1506008392 +12035806336

15:50 <rubyn00b> 1506008392 +12013808495

15:50 <rubyn00b> 1506008392 +12016901834

15:50 <rubyn00b> 1506008365 +17326466678

15:50 <rubyn00b> all those epoch times are identical (out of my control)

15:50 <rubyn00b> sorting by epoch time will yeild an unstable result

15:52 <rubyn00b> matthewd: how would I apply that to my current data set

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15:54 <havenwood> rubyn00b: if you have `sort_by { |value| f(value) }` change it to what matthewd said

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22:39 <patientplatypus> hi

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22:40 <patientplatypus> im having issues on a rspec test in ruby on rails. the error is here https://hastebin.com/ajagohanok.rails. The git is here: https://github.com/patientplatypus/Rubyplay. Can someone let me know what is going wrong? I've looked online without any luck.

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22:43 <patientplatypus> if anyone has any ideas please let me know

22:46 <elomatreb> patientplatypus: You never require the gem that code block is configuring, so its constants are not defined ("shoulda-matchers")

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22:46 <patientplatypus> wait can you show me where im not including the gem? im new to rails and i followed the tutorial

22:46 <patientplatypus> !

22:46 <patientplatypus> @elomatreb

22:47 <elomatreb> You need to tell Ruby to actually load the gem, usually with a `require "shoulda-matchers"` at the top of rails_helper.rb

22:49 <patientplatypus> woooowwwww.....the tutorial is broken.

22:49 <patientplatypus> what a shithead

22:49 <patientplatypus> let me try that

22:49 <elomatreb> If you have "uninitialized constant" errors checking if you have all your gems required is a good first step

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22:50 <patientplatypus> ok...thanks - totally new to rails

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22:51 <patientplatypus> hmmm

22:51 <patientplatypus> still broken

22:51 <patientplatypus> do you have any other ideas elomatreb?

22:51 <elomatreb> Do you still get the same error, or did it change?

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22:53 <patientplatypus> https://github.com/patientplatypus/Rubyplay

22:53 <patientplatypus> same error

22:53 <patientplatypus> it just cant see the shoulda files

22:53 <patientplatypus> woops

22:53 <patientplatypus> waaaaiiiiittt

22:53 <patientplatypus> different error

22:54 <patientplatypus> NameError:

22:54 <patientplatypus> uninitialized constant ActiveSupport::TestCase

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22:56 <elomatreb> Ah, looking at one of my own repos using this gem and their README, the released versions apparently do not support Rails 5 yet, I'm installing it from git

22:56 <patientplatypus> ....

22:56 <patientplatypus> the tutorial i am following is based on rails 5

22:56 <patientplatypus> :/

22:56 <patientplatypus> so i dont think that is correct

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22:57 <patientplatypus> https://scotch.io/tutorials/build-a-restful-json-api-with-rails-5-part-one

22:57 <elomatreb> Look at the readme: https://github.com/thoughtbot/shoulda-matchers

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22:59 <patientplatypus> elomatreb what part of the readme are you referring to

22:59 <patientplatypus> ?

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23:00 <elomatreb> The second paragraph, but it's even clearer when you select the docs from the version you specify in your gemfile (3.1.2): https://github.com/thoughtbot/shoulda-matchers/tree/v3.1.2#getting-started

23:01 <patientplatypus> hmm ok let me try that

23:02 <patientplatypus> still doesnt work....same error

23:02 <patientplatypus> NameError:

23:02 <patientplatypus> uninitialized constant ActiveSupport::TestCase

23:02 <nchambers> does ruby have a concept of enums like what C has?

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23:02 <patientplatypus> An error occurred while loading ./spec/models/todo_spec.rb.

23:02 <patientplatypus> Failure/Error:

23:02 <patientplatypus> config.integrate do |with|

23:03 <patientplatypus> with.test_framework :rspec

23:03 <patientplatypus> with.library :rails

23:03 <patientplatypus> end

23:03 <patientplatypus> NameError:

23:03 <patientplatypus> uninitialized constant ActiveSupport::TestCase

23:03 <patientplatypus> # ./spec/rails_helper.rb:8:in `block in <top (required)>'

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23:03 <patientplatypus> # ./spec/rails_helper.rb:7:in `<top (required)>'

23:03 <patientplatypus> # ./spec/models/todo_spec.rb:2:in `require'

23:03 <patientplatypus> # ./spec/models/todo_spec.rb:2:in `<top (required)>'

23:03 <patientplatypus> No examples found.

23:03 <patientplatypus> woops

23:03 <patientplatypus> that was a little big sorry

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23:03 <elomatreb> If you just paste that many lines you may end up getting autobanned for flooding, don't do that on IRC

23:04 <patientplatypus> yeah sorry

23:05 <patientplatypus> sorry but do you have any idea - im completely lost

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23:05 <elomatreb> I don't, it works like that for me, sorry. But there's this: https://github.com/thoughtbot/shoulda-matchers/issues/1036

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