havenwood changed the topic of #ruby to: Rules & more: https://ruby-community.com || Ruby 2.4.2, 2.3.5 & 2.2.8: https://www.ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text to: https://gist.github.com || Rails questions? Ask in: #RubyOnRails || Logs: https://irclog.whitequark.org/ruby || Books: https://goo.gl/wpGhoQ
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<Rouge> ive created a class instance in a method. how do i get that instance out of the method
<havenwood> Rouge: It sounds like you'd want to have the instance of the class be the method's return value. Or is there more to what you're asking?
<havenwood> Rouge: Have you tried having the method return the instance of the class?
<havenwood> Rouge: Or tell us more about what you're trying to do.
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<Rouge> havenmood let me just check that i havnt done something daft
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<Rouge> havenwood,
<Rouge> still not there
<ruby[bot]> Rouge: as I told you already, please use https://gist.github.com
<Rouge> havenwood, i want to get the player1 variable out of the what_race method
<Rouge> player1 instance*
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<al2o3-cr> Rouge: change line 29 to `play_name = gets.chomp` and line 43 to `player1 = what_race`
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<al2o3-cr> Rouge: change line 29 to `player_name = gets.chomp` and line 43 to `player1 = what_race`
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<Rouge> al2o3-cr, got it but thanbkyou
<Rouge> i wasnt doing anything with function return
<Rouge> needed
<Rouge> player1 = what_race
<Rouge> puts player1.inspect
<al2o3-cr> ok :)
<Rouge> as you said
<Rouge> :)
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<throwawayact> would someone please give me a hand with some weird migration issue? (rails / activerecord)
<throwawayact> I keep on getting, DuplicateMigrationNameError:Multiple migrations have the name 'MyMigration'
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<throwawayact> have renamed the MyMigration to MyMigration2 class declaration and file
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<throwawayact> then I get a very nice DuplicateMigrationNameError:Multiple migrations have the name 'MyMigration2'
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<throwawayact> ok so turns out that having both db/schema.rb and db/structure.sql was the culprit
<throwawayact> deleted the db/structure.sql and ta-da! success..
<throwawayact> cheers :)
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<mynameisdebian> How can I tell bundler what Git server I want it to push my project to?
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<mynameisdebian> Or rather I should say, I am using bundler to create a project. It creates a git repo "somewhere" but I would like it to use my Gitlab repo
<jtdoncas> git remote add origin ...
<throwawayact> $git remote add origin remote_repository_url
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<throwawayact> $git remote -v
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<mynameisdebian> thank you
<throwawayact> $git push -u origin branch_name
<throwawayact> oops..
<throwawayact> $git push -u origin branch_name
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<mynameisdebian> where is bundler set to push my code to be default?
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<mynameisdebian> by default
<jtdoncas> bundler doesn't push code unless I'm misunderstanding
<mynameisdebian> sorry I meant, where does it set up git to push to
<mynameisdebian> It does something with git, which would be cool except I don't know what it did to set up this repo
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<mynameisdebian> Just following a guide on creating a gem that said to use bundler, and I'm not really clear on where this Git repo is located locally
<RickHull> mynameisdebian: can you point out where it says bundler creates a git repo?
<RickHull> note that git is a distributed system -- your local repo is somewhere on the filesystem
<RickHull> `git push` means push the local changes to some other remote repo
<RickHull> it's likely that bundler isn't touching `git push` or other remote repos
<RickHull> what directory were you in when you did `bundler gem` or similar?
<mynameisdebian> I was in a folder I keep scripts in. I typed "bundler gem --test=rspec ransack", then "cd ransack", and "ls .git", and I can clearly see a git folder
<mynameisdebian> I have installed git before, is it just using those settings?
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<sneep> mynameisdebian: git remote -v
<jokester> i guess that will be a local-only repo (not connecting to any remote repos)
<mynameisdebian> outputs nothing
<sneep> Then what jokester said
<jokester> reasonable
<mynameisdebian> where does it store it "locally"?
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<jokester> inside ".git"
<sneep> The directory is the repository
<mynameisdebian> oh
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<jokester> ah , from your previous chat I suppose you need to "git remote add" you gitlab repo
<RickHull> hang on, let's find the local git repo first
<RickHull> oh, we found it, nvm :)
<RickHull> so yep, `git remote add`
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<mynameisdebian> Is a git repo just a folder? Meaning, if I created a private repo in the distant past and pushed to it, but I don't need those projects anymore, I can just delete the remote folders and not worry about some master git config on my system getting screwed up?
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<eam> mynameisdebian: a clone of a git repo is a full copy
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<eam> any git repo can act as a master repo
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<jtdoncas> yeah a git repo is just a folder, essentially
<jtdoncas> @mynameisdebian
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<sksk> Hello!
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<sksk> I'm trying to count how many times something is mentioned in a json file. Please help if you can
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<havenwood> sksk: say more
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<havenwood> sksk: what's a mention?
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<sksk> I have a Json file that has a huge array of "Names". In my Ruby file, I'm trying to find how many times "Peter" is repeated in the Json for example.
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<sksk> If it helps, to reverse the "Names" in my json, I was able to do this: " @name.reverse! "
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<havenwood> require 'json'; JSON.parse(File.read('sksk.json')).count 'Peter'
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<sksk> It returns 0 at every try...
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<sksk> Wait I think I might not have expressed it right. I'm sorry.
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<sksk> So I have to count how many times a name like peter has "been said".
<sksk> This is how the name said is stored:
<sksk> " let(:name_peter) { Name.new(Name.data[0]) } "
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<mozzarella> urk187: you alright buddy?
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<mozzarella> I'm calling the cops
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<dopie> hey guys I have a question im currently using sinatra and pony to send emails with attachments my problem is when the user doesnt include an attachment I get this error https://gist.github.com/staycreativedesign/b345aac43ab0bd57f47c2f8b00ac174c
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<dopie> how can I have it check if it actually has an attachment?
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<damnit__> Hi
<RickHull> interesting nick damnit__
<RickHull> what's up?
<damnit__> thanks
<damnit__> whats the best social media analytics tools ?
<RickHull> on what axis/dimension?
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<RickHull> like, google analytics?
<damnit__> no, something similar to hootsuite
<damnit__> where i can control all social media in one place
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<damnit__> but also has business intelligence
<RickHull> sounds like a commercial product, honestly
<baweaver> yep
<RickHull> but I can imagine there is some analog to e.g. github
<damnit__> but cheap.. maybe even beta version
<damnit__> i was about to look there
<RickHull> twithub?
<damnit__> whats twithub
<damnit__> let me look it up
<RickHull> i just made it up, but it would be where you can control all social media in one place
<RickHull> can we reduce the scope a bit? what does hootsuite do?
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<damnit__> i dont have a hootsuite account
<RickHull> what are the top 3 examples of social media that you want to integrate?
<RickHull> facebook, twitter, instagram?
<damnit__> I called and its more expensive thsn i thought it would be.. let me think.. linkedin, twitter, instagram
<damnit__> all of them if they would start ranking really high on google
<RickHull> what sort of control do you wish to exercise? like make one post and it fans out to all channels?
<RickHull> or just an admin panel that shows response to different posts on different channels?
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<damnit__> yes and also track performance
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<RickHull> I can't think of anything immediately useful in the open source world. this seems like a primarily commercial concern and I would bet there are numerous commercial tools for this
<damnit__> tools that a social media manager would use
<RickHull> sensible enough, but I personally don't know what that entails
<baweaver> that, and #ruby may not be the most knowledgeable source on such tools
<damnit__> Gawd, RickHull I'm so f'n confused on what i should use
<damnit__> Ruby seems to have come a long way
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<RickHull> i would guess that your best bet is to examine the javascript ecosystem
<RickHull> ruby is server side, and social media analytics tend to be client side
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<baweaver> RickHull: Opal
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<damnit__> should i invest SAAS and can i use shared hosting for software as a service
<RickHull> i looked into it when it came out, and Opal seemed pretty cool
<RickHull> I revisited it very briefly recently and ... what's the killer app, for example?
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<damnit__> btw, RickHull https://rubygems.org/gems/twithub/versions/0.1.5 .. let me look
<RickHull> ha, sweet
<RickHull> damnit__: i'm not sure how SAAS investment versus shared hosting is directly related to social media analytics
<RickHull> that sounds big budget, but is hootsuite even bigger?
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<damnit__> sorry, was looking at opal
<RickHull> damnit__: what's a concrete example of a problem you're trying to solve? smaller scope is better
<RickHull> you have a website, or a blog. and you have links to it posted on social media?
<damnit__> Well i am "trying" to do PR for a individual
<damnit__> I need to show my value before he trust me with a budget
<RickHull> what's his email? j/k
<RickHull> honestly, this is not much of an open source concern
<RickHull> this is very much commercial
<damnit__> everything become beta first
<RickHull> that said, there is plenty of room for commercial tools in the open source world
<RickHull> I remain skeptical that you will find a slick product that does what you want on rubygems.org
<damnit__> i used twitter when it was beta
<damnit__> java?
<RickHull> javascript is the language for social media, and analytics, and particularly social media analytics
<damnit__> crap and i suck at javascript
<RickHull> welcome to the club!
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<dminuoso> baweaver will teach you.
<RickHull> dminuoso will explain why what you really want to do is merely an X on a Y for Z
<damnit__> so the platform should be created using javascript ?
<RickHull> damnit__: do you want to build a platform?
<RickHull> probably this platform exists and is sold as a service
<damnit__> like sprinklr? I wish but i hear its complexed
<damnit__> are BI tools created uding javascript or python?
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<RickHull> BI encompasses a broad range
<RickHull> i am guesstimating that you are doing stuff with tables and pivots
<RickHull> "you" == "BI person"
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<RickHull> tableau is big buck$ for a reason
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<damnit__> a little.. i want to do something more like MOZ
<RickHull> link?
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<damnit__> Hold on and i will find other links
<RickHull> so -- is that just a buzzword like a magic spell or do you have plans for it?
<RickHull> I'm not trying to steal the big idea -- but I am sort of interested in what the problem domain looks like
<damnit__> I'm assuming all social media can be added to this
<RickHull> my honest opinion is harsh: this sounds like buzzword salad
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<damnit__> never heard of buzzword salad
<RickHull> it's hard to replace actual product knowledge
<RickHull> like understanding how things work
<dminuoso> buzzword knowledge is what you need in order to be a competent Senior Java Business Software Architect.
<RickHull> if we can build a space elevator high enough
<RickHull> it can justify my salary
<RickHull> sorry, bad astronaut architecture joke ;)
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<damnit__> i'm wondering how much oracle would be
<RickHull> if you have to ask...
<RickHull> but seriously oracle sucks
<RickHull> don't get in bed with them
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<damnit__> then who should i hop in the sac with ?
<RickHull> what's the deal with hootsuite?
<RickHull> their name is kinda goofy so maybe ok enough
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<luca69> ciao
<luca69> !list
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<RickHull> hmmm
<RickHull> not a good look IMHO
<damnit__> the only one that would work would be $500 a month
<baweaver> luca69: looking for something?
<luca69> ?
<baweaver> the !list
<luca69> !list
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<RickHull> damnit__: I still am woefully underinformed on this problem space. But I would guess Hootsuite over Oracle. See if you can demo them and gauge the support level
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<RickHull> my approach would be: learn and understand the tech, then make a ruthless decision
<damnit__> the ENTERPRISE starts at low 3,000 and $$$$$$
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<RickHull> hire a tech then, PM me :)
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<baweaver> luca69: It doesn't do anything
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<craysiii> so i've been trying to refactor this api wrapper code since i felt i was not DRY enough, but now it's seems as it i've boxed myself into a corner. i can't seem to access api_key and secret_key inside e.g. Account_API.extended. https://github.com/craysiii/binance/commit/40d281c42e9066302b04978bcca37c787e96b178
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<craysiii> I guess I could set them as class instance variables or environment variables but i feel like thats a hack more than a solution or a better way to write it.
<dminuoso> craysiii: Do you understand the ruby object model?
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<craysiii> i wouldn't be confident enough to say so, ill look it up
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<dminuoso> craysiii: Please try to reduce your problem into a minimalistic test case.
<dminuoso> Just some silly class Foo, some module Bar.
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<craysiii> im trying to come up with something but I must be missing something
<RickHull> story of my life...
<craysiii> like it works in my minimal test case lol
<RickHull> keep building
<RickHull> or else peeling
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<craysiii> https://gist.github.com/craysiii/d325f026b639bbcd3308b3309fe606fd i cant see how min test case is differing from my actual code, but essentially i'm unable to access a class' instance variables from inside a modules self.extended method when extending it during the class instance initialization. or at least thats what im attempting to do in both cases.
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<Bish> dminuoso: don't you sleep?
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<craysiii> welp figured it out lol.
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<vtx> guys does anyone here use ENV vars for configuring their ruby apps? what approach do you take for handling complex conifgurations? i have a bunch of host names and ports that i want to store in a host map. is it okay to pass this as a JSON blob to an ENV var and parse it at startup?
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<darix> Burgestrand: for just the content of Gemfile: https://gist.github.com/darix/64caae88be214c3022d6a4ed22a91eb3
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<apeiros_> vtx: seems fine to me
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<apeiros> though I'm not sure I like the current approach to stuff config files into env
* apeiros just reading 12factor.net atm and that's the one point I have the biggest reservations so far
<darix> apeiros: ack
<apeiros> *credentials* maybe. but full configs?
<darix> vtx: you could pass the filename to the config file in you environment ;)))
<vtx> apeiros: lol that’s what i’m reading too
<darix> someone saw that docker and so can only properly pass env vars ... and we got to "lets shoehorn everything into the env" in no time
<darix> ugh
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<apeiros> it becomes especially funny when you read the argument "that way you don't put config files into repo", but then your team uses direnv and does what? right! put a .env file into the repo!
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<darix> vtx: you could deploy config files with lets say configuration management
<darix> apeiros: ahahaha ... exactly the same argument i had the other day ;D
<apeiros> darix: heh, glad to see I'm not the only one :)
<apeiros> darix: how did it turn out?
<darix> also every 4 weeks i get "why packging rails apps + rubygems is stupid and we should just vendor everything"
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<darix> apeiros: in the last case ... we didnt want to patch out dotenv from the app ... but we dont actually use the real execution environment, but a .env.production file
<darix> apeiros: which is also ironic ... they replaced the configuration files with ENV ... just to write the values for ENV into a file
<darix> ugh
<apeiros> yeah, and the irony goes *wooosh* past them :)
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<vtx> i think i’m gonna just pass in JSON blobs to my env :(
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<darix> vtx: ugh
<darix> vtx: what is wrong with actually using a config file?
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<vtx> darix: because changing it would require a new commit/PR/build?
<darix> vtx: that shouldnt go into your app code
<darix> but in your configuration management
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<vtx> what configuration management?
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<apeiros> vtx: and the env change happens without any of that? I'm not sure I'd consider that a step in the right direction.
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<apeiros> you can have commit free config file changes too - by not having it in the repo and changing on the server
<vtx> apeiros: yep
<apeiros> but not logging config changes seems like a bad idea to me.
<darix> vtx: i personally prefer salt for it
<darix> but what ever floats your boat
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<Burgestrand> darix sweet
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<Bish> regarding yesterday
<memo1> HI, i need to do a scripts that run as a service and detect when a wifi connections is connect. Any ideas?
<Bish> SOUNDS FUN
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<Bish> memo1: you could talk to wpa_supplicant, in case you use taht either way
<Bish> orhwise ask /sys
<Bish> otherwise parse the output of some binary like iwconfig or iw
<memo1> Bish: thank you
<Bish> personally i would go for the /sys approach
<Bish> because it will work on linux all the time to a certain extent
<Bish> >> DIR["/sys/class/net"].glob {|x| p x }
<ruby[bot1> Bish: # => uninitialized constant DIR ...check link for more (https://eval.in/910850)
<memo1> Bish: can you give me a simple example using /sys, or a webpage for help
<Bish> >> Dir["/sys/class/net"].glob {|x| p x }
<ruby[bot1> Bish: # => (https://eval.in/910851)
<Bish> >> Dir.glob("/sys/class/net/*")
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<ruby[bot1> Bish: # => (https://eval.in/910852)
<Bish> this would be able to list all your network devices
<Bish> and you could read trom the state to see if it's online
<Bish> like "cat /sys/class/net/wlp2s0/operstate" gives me "up"
<Bish> no clue if it will be "down" if i wpa_supplicant disconnects
<memo1> Bish: the "p" before begin is right?
<Bish> no forget that line thjat was bullshit only the last is correct
<Bish> Dir.glob("/sys/class/net/*")
<Bish> this one
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<memo1> Bish: thank you
<Bish> you're welcome
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<Onslauth> Hi guys
<Bish> HELLO Onslauth
<Onslauth> I am having a bit of an issue with to_i
<bougyman> I prefer Pathname for these things, Bish
<Onslauth> branch_code: 470010, type: String, encoding: UTF-8
<bougyman> >> Pathname('/sys/class/net').children.detect { |w| w.children.map(&:basename).map(&:to_s).include? 'wireless' }
<bougyman> => #<Pathname:/sys/class/net/wlo1>
<Onslauth> however, when I run .to_i
<Onslauth> I get 0
<Bish> bougyman: something like that
<Onslauth> a: 0, type: Integer
<Bish> Onslauth: what's the input?
<Bish> >> "5".to_i
<Onslauth> its csv file
<ruby[bot1> Bish: # => 5 (https://eval.in/910856)
<havenwood> >> nil.to_i
<Onslauth> Must I paste code here?
<Bish> well, you put the whole csv file to .to_i?
<Onslauth> or in a gist or pastebin?
<havenwood> ?gist Onslauth
<Bish> relevant part would be enough
<Bish> but if you did
<Bish> File.read("csvfile.csv").to_i
<Bish> i am not wondering you get 0
<Onslauth> No
<Onslauth> The entire file works fine
<Onslauth> except this first line
<Onslauth> also, i have processed other files correctly
<Onslauth> this is the first one that isnt working
<havenwood> >> ''.to_i
<havenwood> #=> 0
<Bish> >> ' 5 '.to_>
<ruby[bot1> Bish: # => /tmp/execpad-0788e598c5d1/source-0788e598c5d1:3: syntax error, unexpected keyword_rescue ...check link for more (https://eval.in/910857)
<Bish> >> ' 5 '.to_i
<ruby[bot1> Bish: # => 5 (https://eval.in/910858)
<Bish> >> ' 5.5 '.to_i
<ruby[bot1> Bish: # => 5 (https://eval.in/910859)
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<Bish> Onslauth: well, print the object you're calling .to_i to, and the result
<Bish> and u might find out why
<Onslauth> However, I think there is an error with the csv file
<Onslauth> I have
<Onslauth> Please see the gist
<Bish> >> " 470010".to_i
<ruby[bot1> Bish: # => 470010 (https://eval.in/910860)
<Bish> that's funny
<Onslauth> yeah, hence I am asking here if there is something odd
<Onslauth> but I think theres a non-printable character before the 470010
<Bish> well, print it then
<Bish> branch_code.bytes i think?
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<Bish> puts "branch_code #{branch_code.bytes.inspect}"
<memo1> Bish: when you say "you can read from the state", how i do that?
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<Bish> memo1: if you're inside /sys/class/net/wlp2s0 or whatever it is called at your place
<Bish> there are files, i have no clue what you can do with them, but there might be one file giving you the connectivity status of your wlanchip
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<memo1> Bish: i find oper_state file inside. In ruby how i read the file?,
<Bish> File.read(".../oper_state")
<memo1> Bish: nice
<Bish> the file flags seems to be interesting in thard regard, too
<Onslauth> Thanks Bish
<Bish> Onslauth: so was it an invisible char?
<Onslauth> Yeah
<Bish> when i first encountered something like that
<Onslauth> Someone exported the csv badly
<Bish> i searched for it three days
<Onslauth> hahahah
<Bish> i had it in source code though
<Onslauth> Unlucky dude, that must have sucked
<Bish> i was like..
<Bish> why does this exist?
<Onslauth> hahhahahah
<Onslauth> So people can exploit other people
<Bish> seriously, if you get fired.. push this into some file.. with seemingsless code
<Onslauth> Isn't that what they did to the google play store now?
<Onslauth> All the fake apps with same name?
<Bish> is that the trick how the whatsapp fake happened?
<Bish> wow. thats clever
<Onslauth> Yeah
<memo1> Bish: im starting with ruby. Is possible to write any script (like bash) in linux?
<Onslauth> Thats how they did it, unicode chars for name
<Bish> memo1: sure
<Onslauth> memo1 - yeah, put this at the start
<Onslauth> #!/bin/env ruby
<Onslauth> sorry
<Onslauth> #!/usr/bin/env ruby
<memo1> Onslauth: Bish Thanks
<Onslauth> Anyway, thanks for the help Bish, cheers
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<Bish> off he goes~ and so do i
<Bish> byeeeeeee
<memo1> Bish: last questions, sorry if is silly. Is i want to aumotatically detect the change of that file, i need to set a while true loop or is a better way to do it
<Bish> im guessing it is the simplest way to do that
<Bish> otherwise you will be talking to the kernel
<Bish> there might be libraries though? maybe the /sys filesystem notices anyone about changes?
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<Bish> the "rerun" gem does something to detect filesystem changes
<memo1> Bish: thank you. I going to research.
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<Bish> maybe this?
<Bish> either way, im off, bye!
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<rando_rubyist> hey guys, i'm hacking together a console file-selector and was wondering if there's any prior art out there that i can snag
<rando_rubyist> doesn't need to be very robust, i'm just trying to make something a little friendlier than dropping in a full file path
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<apeiros> rando_rubyist: maybe the highline gem has something for that
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<rando_rubyist> Apocalypse: thanks for the suggestion but it doesn't quite seem to have anything pre-built
<rando_rubyist> blah
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<rhebz916> Hi guyz I'm new to ruby on rails I'm using devise gem but I encounter this issue No route matches [POST] "/sessions/user" , maybe can you help me to better understand what causes this issue thanks in advance :)
<dminuoso> rhebz916: Gist your code you are using to provoke the error, as well as the output of your `rails routes`, go to #rubyonrails - reask the question and link the gist.
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<rhebz916> oh I'm at the wrong channel but thanks @dminuoso i'll try to link the gist
<gizmore|2> why is ruby so slow compared to php?
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<havenwood> gizmore: It isn't. I've also asked you not to troll here.
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<dminuoso> gizmore: Because Ruby has a highly dynamic and comlex execution model.
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<gizmore> yeah.... i love the ruby syntax, and know its the best
<dminuoso> gizmore: It's incidentally one of the reasons why Facebook has kept using PHP (and eventually replaced it with Hack) because its relatively simple and fast to execute.
<gizmore> but yeah, thx for confirming my assumptions
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<dminuoso> gizmore: JRuby fares far better than normal Ruby though, especially with truffle.
<gizmore> i went back to php for 2 reasons: 1) Type hinting. 2) performance
<gizmore> but php syntax is lame, compared to the power of ruby
<havenwood> gizmore: PHP is relatively quite slow at those alioth benchmarks as well. Do you really want to choose a dynamic language based on how fast unidiomatic code runs in artificial microbenchmarks?
<havenwood> gizmore: That doesn't seem wise to me.
<havenwood> gizmore: What are you trying to do that Ruby is to slow for?
<gizmore> mmo gameserver
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<gizmore> especially activerecord sucked, i bet
<havenwood> gizmore: So you shouldn't be looking at alioth at all.
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<gizmore> yeah :)
<havenwood> gizmore: So look at techempower. PHP isn't competitive. Choose a nicer language.
<havenwood> gizmore: Or if PHP is fast enough and you fancy it, use it!
<gizmore> i was thinking of typescript or c++
<havenwood> gizmore: Sure. Pick your poison. You haven't shown where Ruby is too slow, but I highly doubt it is.
<havenwood> gizmore: It seems you just fancy PHP. So go for it!
<gizmore> i did a game engine with active record, and it was horrible
<gizmore> mostly because activerecord did not suite my needs
<havenwood> gizmore: Just please don't troll here anymore whatever you pick. I suggested Sequel last time you brought this up.
<havenwood> gizmore: Or just write in SQL. It's a language after all.
<gizmore> it was not meant as trolling.... i just am disappointed by activerecord, and php as well (php syntax sucks)
<gizmore> would love to re-implement my framework in another language.... c++ or typescript i guess
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<porfavordama> Hello everyone,
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<dminuoso> Hello you.
<gizmore> aloha
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<porfavordama> A simple question. How can I use a symbol semicolon with a variable ? For example https://ideone.com/RgtmqA
<porfavordama> if I use it like so , it gives me the symbol :id but I want whatever is inside the id. Is there any other way to get it other than "#{id}".
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<dminuoso> porfavordama: You shouldn't.
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<porfavordama> dminuoso
<dminuoso> I wont let you have the chainsaw until you have shown proficiency with an axe.
<porfavordama> can you explain why?
<dminuoso> porfavordama: Wait a second. Do you want the content of hash, or some variable named id?
<porfavordama> I want the content for that symbol whatever the user types in
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<dminuoso> That does not make sense.
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<dminuoso> Do you know what a symbol is?
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<porfavordama> lets say id = foo and I want to get whatever the value :foo has in the hash
<porfavordama> dminuoso, I think so haha
<porfavordama> I know it may sound nonsense
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<porfavordama> I mean of course every ID would be different than others so no point in using symbols as far as I know. But just out of curiosity
<dminuoso> porfavordama: What you just said is gibberish.
* apeiros senses a misunderstanding of how stuff works
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<dminuoso> apeiros: Please!
<dminuoso> I got a haskell program that wont fix itself
* dminuoso waslk out
<apeiros> porfavordama: :foo is a symbol, nothing in it. it's a value on its own. like 12, or "foo" are values on their own.
<apeiros> foo, @foo, @@foo, $foo, Foo are 5 different types of variables, which reference values
<apeiros> if you want to associate values by a *dynamic* name (which is what I think is what you want), you use a Hash
<apeiros> @my_data = {:name => "associated value"}
<apeiros> now you can access stuff in the object referenced by @my_data by name: @my_data[:name] # => "associated value"
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<porfavordama> apeiros, so isn't it like I shouldn't use symbols unless I want some kind of pattern for something to be reached ?
<apeiros> and while you *can* dynamically read the objects referenced by a variable (i.e. you have the name of the variable in a variable), that should mainly be used for debugging
<porfavordama> Like all people has names so it could be :name and also :gender and so on ?
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<apeiros> you use symbols to identify things by name
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<apeiros> and you do that e.g. by using symbols as keys in hashes
<apeiros> and yes, everything which the developer gave a name (method name, variable name, etc.), that name is internally represented as a symbol in ruby. that's the origin of this class.
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<apeiros> as for your paste (https://ideone.com/RgtmqA) - assuming `hash = {:id => 123}` and you want to retrieve 123 by the user typing `id`: hash[id.to_sym]
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<porfavordama> So can we say that it would be something for general purpose , like so : https://ideone.com/RgtmqA ?
<apeiros> but for this case, string keys would probably be better.
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<apeiros> yes, https://ideone.com/RgtmqA the use of :gender and :name is fine
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<dminuoso> Ruby would be easier if there were no userland symbols. :(
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<porfavordama> apieros, thanks for the advice and yes I will convert them into Strings. Appreciate your help and time! :)
<apeiros> ?tabnick porfavordama
<ruby[bot1> porfavordama: pro-tip - use tab completion for nicks. avoids typos in nicks.
<dminuoso> Things like HashWithIndifferentAccess are a good example why symbols should haev been avoided.
<apeiros> dminuoso: couldn't be foreseen that people can't be arsed to tell two different types apart.
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<porfavordama> apeiros: Oh sorry
<apeiros> I mean seriously, they manage with 1 and "1" too. why not with :"1" as well.
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<dminuoso> apeiros: The difference in semantics of "1" and 1 is clear. The difference between "1" and :1 is not. It's not very obvious what symbols are good for (lets face it, we actually just use them to save some typing)
<apeiros> dminuoso: but granted, with recent developments (gc'able symbols, string-"singletons"), we might just be on the way to fade out the difference between strings and symbols to a point where we can make it one and the same.
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<apeiros> dminuoso: I'm sorry, but that's akin to saying "arrays and hashmaps are very similar, we could just use ordered hashmaps for everything".
<gizmore> :Foo and "Foo" are very different, no? .. the first is a symbol, the seconds a string
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<dminuoso> gizmore: Could you in one sentence describe what a symbol is and why it exists?
<gizmore> a symbol is like a constant string, it is immutable (constant), and inside the ruby engine it is optimized differently than string
<gizmore> i tried :)
<gizmore> class Foo; syntax_error; end;
<gizmore> class Foo; runtime_error; end;#?
<dminuoso> gizmore: That's the thing: A symbol is actually just a number.
<gizmore> like an enum?
<dminuoso> It kind of like a domain name. Its a text representation for a number.
<dminuoso> Yeah in a way.
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<gizmore> yeah... you could argue like that
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<dminuoso> It actually is that way.
<gizmore> but short strings are also like text representations for numbers
<gizmore> like "aaa" ... hackery ahead!
<dminuoso> A string is a list of numbers. That difference is really important.
<apeiros> a number which is random and where you don't care about the numeric value, only the name you gave that number :)
<gizmore> active record sucks
<gizmore> the many_to_xxx relations are just bullocks
<dminuoso> apeiros: Yup pretty much like domain names :P
<gizmore> i did my own activerecords, back in 2008
<apeiros> just that multiple domain names are allowed to map to the same number
<dminuoso> I suppose that analogy only goes so far
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<dminuoso> apeiros: So to amend your statement: a number which is random but picked uniquely for each symbol [...]
<apeiros> want me to nitpick amend that?
<dminuoso> Please do
<apeiros> uniquely at the time of existence
<gizmore> php sucks so badly here and there -.-
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<apeiros> not quite sure how to phrase that well, tho
<gizmore> part of the global symbol enums
<dminuoso> apeiros: Simultaneity is relative. Do we have an intertial system?
<gizmore> +thingy
<gizmore> dminuoso: this system is called "process"
<apeiros> dminuoso: we have multiple runs and gc'able symbols
<dminuoso> apeiros: That was sarcasm extending the pedantry to include special relativity (my skills suck too much to include gravity as well, so no GR).
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<John__> can I ask a unit testing question here?
<gizmore> you just did
<John__> hah
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<John__> I basically am trying to mock a file dependency object inside my, let's call it X class.
<John__> problem is, there's at least 3 files.
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<John__> So naturally, I moved out the dependency to be allowed so you can inject it in the constructor
<John__> and pass mocks
<John__> I am facing 2 questions.
<John__> 1. They're 3 files, so my constructor takes 5 arguments, the last 3 being File objects, which looks rather weird. Is this normal?
<John__> 2. Originally, I used to just pass a string path to my constructor and the File objects inside my X would open it, but now, since they're passed instead as an interface because of constructor dependency
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<John__> it forces me to move the file opening logic OUTSIDE (before instantiating my logic)
<John__> object*
<John__> again, is this normal?
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<gizmore> John__: i have no clue what you are talking about, although it did some test driven dev once
<gizmore> *i did
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<John__> that's alright. maybe someone else may have an answer?
<gizmore> why would you need 5 constructor args for 3 files? Oo
<John__> constructor(arg1, arg2, fileObj1, fileObj2, fileObj)
<John__> 3*
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<John__> gizmore, so, that's what it looks like due to dependency injection (as per convention)
<John__> before that, it used to be constructor(arg1, arg2, "path1", "path2", "path3")
<John__> but this prevents me from mocking the dependency on the filesystem
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<John__> a side effect of the interface passing now puts me the challenge that my file opening logic
<John__> does not happen in the constructor anymore
<John__> it happens before my object is even instantiated.
<John__> eg.
<John__> File ... new file..
<John__> File2 ... new file..
<John__> X'sConstructor(arg1, arg2, file, file ...)
<John__> sorry for the pseudo code, I'm trying to be as quick as possible.
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<chiggins> Any idea why I'm getting a "undefined method `handle_command' for CatPlugin:Class (NoMethodError)" in my program here? https://pastebin.com/tz4HYUGK
<ruby[bot1> chiggins: we in #ruby do not like pastebin.com, I reposted your paste to gist for you: https://gist.github.com/d0f27272f88efe0dd77abbdb350ca037
<ruby[bot1> chiggins: pastebin.com loads slowly for most, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting.
<chiggins> Oh thanks ruby bot
<chiggins> But anyway, I'm trying to prototype out a plugin system, can't seem to figure why it can't find the handle_command method, even though it exists?
<apeiros> chiggins: because you're calling it on the class, not an instance
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<apeiros> you may either want @plugins << const.new, or def self.handle_command
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<chiggins> Niceee. Thank you apeiros.
<traumschule> hi, i installed ruby2.5 from source to /usr/local/bin/ruby but it is not used by vagrant. How can I make and install a gem from source?
<traumschule> it's a very basic question, i know :)
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<traumschule> (found it, point 8 in the readme)
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<traumschule> still: vagrant(master)$ bundle --binstubs exec => Could not find gem 'ruby (< 2.5, ~> 2.2)'
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<traumschule> uh, what happened. where is everyone?
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<apeiros> I don't think "ruby" is supposed to be a gem :)
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<traumschule> so this error message is nonsense?
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<traumschule> you can try it yourself: git clone https://github.com/hashicorp/vagrant; cd vagrant; bundle install
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<traumschule> can I tell bundle to use another ruby binary?
<traumschule> hey guys, what are you paid for? :P
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<havenwood> traumschule: You can install Bundler on another Ruby and put that Bundler first in your PATH.
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<havenwood> traumschule: You *could* do all sorts of things if you want to hack it together, but typically you should install Bundler on the Ruby you're using.
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<traumschule> ok, this is my environment: ruby --version => ruby 2.5.0preview1 (2017-10-10 trunk 60153) [i686-linux] | which ruby => /usr/local/bin/ruby
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<havenwood> ruby 2.5.0 should ship with Bundler, so if you put your gem bin/ dir in front of your PATH you should be good to go.
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<ineb> vagrant sais required_ruby_version = "~> 2.2", "< 2.5"
<traumschule> i just did "sudo gem install bundler" to overwrite /usr/local/bin/bundler but it does not change the output of bundle update
<ineb> does that include 2.5?
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<Papierkorb> ineb: "less than 2.5"
<raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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<ineb> traumschule: well then your 2.5 installation is not gonna work with vagrant
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<havenwood> traumschule: Are `gem which bundler` and `which bundle` both 2.5?
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<havenwood> traumschule: You probably just need to put your 2.5 gem bin/ in PATH.
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<traumschule> $ gem which bundler => /usr/local/lib/ruby/2.5.0/bundler.rb | $ which bundle => /usr/local/bin/bundle
<traumschule> so I guess yes
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<traumschule> havenwood: do you mean /usr/local/bin/gem?
<traumschule> it should not make a difference as /Usr/local/bin is already first in PATH, but I did it nonetheless
<havenwood> is that the location of?: "$(gem env gemdir)/bin"
<havenwood> traumschule: check: gem env gemdir
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<havenwood> traumschule: How can you tell it's the wrong Bundler?
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<traumschule> wait, that dir does not exist: /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/2.5.0/bin
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<traumschule> I can't because I know too little about ruby and install paths .. maybe I should go with rvm instead
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<havenwood> traumschule: chruby is easy to setup with arbitrary located Rubies as well
<havenwood> traumschule: It'll setup PATH, GEM_PATH, etc for you.
<traumschule> let me guess, I install it as a gem?
<havenwood> traumschule: It's just a hundred lines of shell: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby
<havenwood> traumschule: you source the .sh file, which gives you a "chruby" command to switch rubies
<havenwood> traumschule: you could even use it just to check what PATH, GEM_HOME, GEM_PATH etc should be then manually set those and ditch chruby.
<havenwood> traumschule: it's really just used for switching
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<traumschule> and it's not run as root?
<havenwood> traumschule: ruby-install would put ruby-2.5.0-preview1 somewhere chruby will autodetect it, but you can also point chruby at arbitrary locations
<baweaver> Yep, it fixes the root of the problem
<havenwood> traumschule: chruby is just a shell script you source. you don't need root.
<havenwood> baweaver: ha
* baweaver bows
<havenwood> traumschule: chruby just involves sourcing this one file: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby/blob/master/share/chruby/chruby.sh
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<traumschule> it's really a wonderful day and I am happy you are here but it helps nothing: . chruby.sh && bundle install => Could not find gem 'ruby (< 2.5, ~> 2.2)', which is required by gem 'vagrant', in any of the relevant sources: the local ruby installation
<havenwood> traumschule: chruby doesn't do anything until you switch to a ruby
<havenwood> traumschule: like: chruby ruby
<traumschule> hah, you didn't tell
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<havenwood> traumschule: but it'll only detect Rubies in certain locations - so if you have a ruby in /usr/local you'll have to add it to RUBIES
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<traumschule> i though it fixes everything
<sklvch> squishyj: tell me a story
<squishyj> okay
<squishyj> you know what i want with his znc throttles it says the day
<traumschule> how do I do this?
<havenwood> it's so simple it does nothing when not run ;-P
<squishyj> sublingually
<sklvch> squishyj: tell me another story
<squishyj> I'm thinking of the dumb it was all hail supreme templating language
<squishyj> nice streak of to-dos
<sklvch> squishy: more story
<squishyj> wat
<sklvch> squishyj: tell me a story
<squishyj> same with what she has a profitable during the money is moonland only be the rate limit and jard
<havenwood> traumschule: do you ultimately want just one Ruby or the ability to switch?
<squishyj> you can write gigantic one can you think thats about returning a variable like where do that is a really implemented job for forest fire
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<sklvch> squishyj: tell bl4ckw4ter a story
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<squishyj> is still p good musical nuggets you refuse to stick to svn is female
<squishyj> so they are you saying
<squishyj> and what it under the menu
<traumschule> havenwood: good question. actually i want to get rid of https://github.com/hashicorp/vagrant/issues/9220 but in may be a bug in vagrant and not in ruby
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<sklvch> squishyj: tell ctrlaltdev a story
<squishyj> let me tell you
<squishyj> but no its kind of the strawman that's telling you want to today
<bl4ckw4ter> sound advice squishyj
<squishyj> so we dont feel my list
<havenwood> !kick squishyj
<squishyj> holy shit
<sklvch> lolllllll
<traumschule> that's what I want to test. but living on the edge of ruby might be ok for me. I would tell you if it breaks something :)
* traumschule just replaces /usr/bin/ruby
<sklvch> squishyj: they want to kick you
<squishyj> i dont know
<sklvch> i dont know either man
<baweaver> enough or both of you are out.
<sklvch> squishyj: tell baweaver a story about being kicked
<squishyj> I said
<sklvch> yes squishyj ? please continue
<squishyj> Jardayn: try
<havenwood> sklvch: please stop spamming bots
<baweaver> !troll squishyj
<squishyj> being a little scientific enquiry
<baweaver> !troll sklvch
<bl4ckw4ter> what is !troll
<sklvch> oh no
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<sklvch> hello
<sklvch> squishyj: tell me a story
<squishyj> please I think it is bro you can walk around the ceo of that mob killing myself
<ctrlaltdev> wuuuut
<squishyj> you know is always coupled to hang with the thanks for fucking smacked down out of like that actually really
* baweaver sighs
<sklvch> your troll feature is broken i think
<sklvch> uh oh
<sklvch> IM SORRY
<sklvch> PLEASE
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<traumschule> havenwood: how do I make bundler use ruby 2.5 or is this futile anyway because vagrant needs a lower ruby?
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<havenwood> ?botsnack
<havenwood> traumschule: probably futile if vagrant is involved
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<traumschule> yea vagrant is broken
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<traumschule> will downgrade again, thanks for your help!
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<baweaver> Ah, right
<baweaver> the hat
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<memo1> Hi, im usnig the listen gem to detect changes on files or directories. It works great in owned folders, but in system folders (root) it fails eg. (/sys/class/net). Im runnig th script with sudo, but it fails. Any ideas?
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<dminuoso> memo1: Do you get any particular error message?
<dminuoso> memo1: Im guessing the underlying implementation cant work on sysfs.
<dminuoso> (Or procfs)
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<dminuoso> What you see in /sys is not real files, its a kernel hack to expose certain interfaces looking as if they were files.
<dminuoso> I would be very surprised if it worked at all.
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<haylon> Might need to setup a tty option in your sudoer's entry
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<haylon> Speaking of vagrant, has anyone here tried using a mixture of Vagrant and OpenStack using the vagrant-openstack-provider and a HEAT template to create volumes and attach them to nodes without having to create volumes before hand?
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<baweaver> oh there it is
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<traumschule> i still don't get how to configure chruby - it does not seem to influence the output of 'gem env gemdir'
<traumschule> 2.5.0 is installed to /opt/rubies/ruby-2.5.0 - how can I make chruby use this one?
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<miah> traumschule: 'chruby use 2.5.0' then it will change your env vars
<miah> er, sorry just 'chruby 2.5.0'
<miah> i usually just update my .bash_profile to point to the most recent install and then maybe change locally if i want to use a different version
<dminuoso> traumschule: If you installed it after chruby was initialized, you can use chruby_reset
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<traumschule> so far i just sourced it
<miah> ya ,you need to tell chruby to use a specific ruby
<miah> so 'chruby 2.5.0' should set you up if you have ruby 2.5.0 installed into ~/.rubies
<dminuoso> traumschule: chruby consists of two parts. loading chruby (its just a really teeny tiny shell script)
<dminuoso> traumschule: and then use one of the three shell functions it provides. :-)
<traumschule> so instead of sourcing, i need to make it executable?
<miah> you need to source & call it
<dminuoso> traumschule: You load it like any shell script: source
<miah> eg, in my .bash_profile i have
<miah> source /usr/local/share/chruby/chruby.sh
<miah> chruby 2.4.2
<traumschule> gotcha
<dminuoso> traumschule: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby/blob/master/share/chruby/chruby.sh just give it a quick glance
<dminuoso> traumschule: as you can see it defines three shell functions, out of which chruby is the main one you are interested in.
<dminuoso> (That's really all there is to chruby :-)
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<traumschule> thanks :)
<rando_rubyist> apeiros: thanks for the pointer at highline earlier, after a bit of study, it appears i should be able to persuade it to do something like i wanted
<rando_rubyist> i had overlooked the possibility my first time around
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<rando_rubyist> much better than this ugly crap i was hand-rolling anyhow
* rando_rubyist emotes happily
<dminuoso> ∀A
<dminuoso> So pretty...
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<al2o3-cr> So in OpenSSLL::SSL::SSLContext#set_params keys can be any of the setter methods. am i correct in thinking this? or am i reading the docs wrong.
<dminuoso> &ri OpenSSLL::SSL::SSLContext#set_params
<`derpy> No results
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<al2o3-cr> i added an extra S my mistake
<dminuoso> al2o3-cr: Yup looks like that to me.
<dminuoso> params.each{|name, value| self.__send__("#{name}=", value) }
<al2o3-cr> dminuoso: okay. thanks. just need to be reassured.
* traumschule ran into this rabbit hole of updating ruby to check if the segflt in vagrant_share.rb will disappear just to realize that vagrant hates ruby 2.5.0 and installs fine from trunk with ruby 2.3
<dminuoso> traumschule: What does vagrant have to do with this?
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<traumschule> vagrant is written in ruby
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<traumschule> and the end of the segflt log https://gist.github.com/traumschule/1bd533457439d92c6b3eb9ae1a520607 it said "You may have encountered a bug in the Ruby interpreter or extension libraries. Bug reports are welcome. For details: http://www.ruby-lang.org/bugreport.html"
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<traumschule> quite misleading
<RickHull> how so?
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<traumschule> the bug is in a vagrant module not ruby
<RickHull> "extension libraries"
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<RickHull> the rationale is that a segfault is caused by C code doing something wrong. C code is in the ruby interpreter or else a C extension (library)
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<traumschule> ruby can't know, but I was confused by the message. should have known better ..
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<traumschule> btw the bug seems to be fixed already
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<RickHull> what's the problem with vagrant and 2.5.0? it wasn't obvious from the gh issue
<RickHull> all I saw was another (the same?) segfault
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<traumschule> RickHull: just updated my comment: https://github.com/hashicorp/vagrant/issues/9220#issuecomment-348218483
<RickHull> oh ok, that's probably not a real problem
<RickHull> just an abundance of caution
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<traumschule> it's a dependency to avoid updates in ruby breaking vagrant
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<RickHull> right -- I wouldn't characterize it as "vagrant hates 2.5.0"
<traumschule> :)
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<traumschule> it felt like "you have ruby 2.5.0, go away!"
<RickHull> it's to avoid potential bugs or compatibility issues. we don't know from that if there are actual bugs or compatibility issues
<RickHull> I understood "hates" to mean, blows up with a variety of bad symptoms
<traumschule> it's tested internally only as dependencies are set in the Gemfile to load from "gem 'vagrant-spec', git: "https://github.com/mitchellh/vagrant-spec.git". One *could* force it to work with latest ruby, by downloading and removing dependency on ruby<=2.5 manually but it can't happen by accident
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<RickHull> you're certainly free to explore :)
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<traumschule> i'd rather polish my discourse playbook and figure out how to install a system service with foreman.
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